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No Murders In Miami During All Of October  
User currently offlineMAH4546 From Sweden, joined Jan 2001, 32736 posts, RR: 72
Posted (5 years 10 months 2 days 2 hours ago) and read 3027 times:

Not bad for a city that was easily the Murder Capital of the United States in the 1980s and early 1990s, but whose violent crime rate today is below both Tampa and Orlando.

http://www.miamiherald.com/news/breaking-news/story/752057.html

There were zero murders in the City of Miami in October 2008, and the streak is currently at 35 days and running.


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User currently offlineAf773atmsp From United States of America, joined Aug 2006, 2675 posts, RR: 1
Reply 1, posted (5 years 10 months 2 days 2 hours ago) and read 3020 times:

Good for Miami. I wish Minneapolis was like that. I've started to really want to visit Miami.


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User currently offlineSeptember11 From United States of America, joined May 2004, 3623 posts, RR: 21
Reply 2, posted (5 years 10 months 2 days 1 hour ago) and read 2983 times:

Miami should be a safe place for everyone. Miami is one of America's most beautiful places.


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User currently offlineUSFlyer MSP From United States of America, joined May 2000, 2124 posts, RR: 0
Reply 3, posted (5 years 10 months 2 days 1 hour ago) and read 2974 times:

I love how that article implies that the decrease in crime is due to improved medical care for victims instead of lower crime rates.

User currently offlineEMBQA From United States of America, joined Oct 2003, 9364 posts, RR: 11
Reply 4, posted (5 years 10 months 2 days 1 hour ago) and read 2976 times:

So what are the boys on "The First 48" gonna do.......


"It's not the size of the dog in the fight, but the size of the fight in the dog"
User currently offlineFlyf15 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 5, posted (5 years 10 months 1 day 23 hours ago) and read 2925 times:

No murders? Yeah right, my guess is they just haven't found the bodies yet.

User currently offlineCanuckpaxguy From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 6, posted (5 years 10 months 1 day 23 hours ago) and read 2922 times:

Congratulations Miami!
I think we owe a great deal of thanks to Dexter Morgan and Horatio Cane!

G


User currently offlineFbgdavidson From United Kingdom, joined Oct 2004, 3706 posts, RR: 28
Reply 7, posted (5 years 10 months 1 day 22 hours ago) and read 2904 times:




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User currently offlineDougloid From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 8, posted (5 years 10 months 1 day 22 hours ago) and read 2898 times:



Quoting Flyf15 (Reply 5):
No murders? Yeah right, my guess is they just haven't found the bodies yet.

Don't everyone go getting all double jointed patting themselves on the back just yet.

Production will be increased to make up the deficit until the title is regained.


User currently offlineConcordeBoy From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 9, posted (5 years 10 months 1 day 21 hours ago) and read 2874 times:

Probably be better described as no "reported' murders...

That said:

Quoting Dougloid (Reply 8):
Production will be increased to make up the deficit until the title is regained.

Not a chance, unfortunately, seems my city will have a lock on that one for a longggggg time to come  Sad


User currently offlineAaron747 From Japan, joined Aug 2003, 8135 posts, RR: 26
Reply 10, posted (5 years 10 months 1 day 20 hours ago) and read 2860 times:

Boy things look different when you've been abroad awhile - I live in a city of 425,000 (Gifu, Japan) - about the same size as Oakland, St. Louis, Cleveland, et al, and there hasn't been a confirmed murder here since early 2006.


If you need someone to blame / throw a rock in the air / you'll hit someone guilty
User currently offlineDougloid From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 11, posted (5 years 10 months 1 day 12 hours ago) and read 2788 times:



Quoting Aaron747 (Reply 10):
Boy things look different when you've been abroad awhile - I live in a city of 425,000 (Gifu, Japan) - about the same size as Oakland, St. Louis, Cleveland, et al, and there hasn't been a confirmed murder here since early 2006.

We're told in basic sociology classes that the more cultural cleavages you have (no, no, Sparky, not THOSE kinds of cleavages)the more violence you will have.


User currently onlineMaverickM11 From United States of America, joined Apr 2000, 17446 posts, RR: 46
Reply 12, posted (5 years 10 months 1 day 10 hours ago) and read 2743 times:



Quoting Dougloid (Reply 11):
We're told in basic sociology classes that the more cultural cleavages

What do you mean by more cultural cleavage? The number of divides, or the deepness, or the frequency, or all of the above, or something different?



E pur si muove -Galileo
User currently offlineDougloid From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 13, posted (5 years 10 months 1 day 10 hours ago) and read 2740 times:



Quoting MaverickM11 (Reply 12):
What do you mean by more cultural cleavage? The number of divides, or the deepness, or the frequency, or all of the above, or something different?

All of the above. It's the down side of cultural diversity. Culturally homogeneous societies are *generally* less violent, at least in the developed world.

Of course, in the less developed parts of the globe cultural homogeneity may be synonymous with institutionalized violence, as in the case of the Yanomamoe, who were the subjects of Napoleon Chagnon's work "the Fierce People".


User currently offlineVictrola From United States of America, joined Apr 2008, 513 posts, RR: 1
Reply 14, posted (5 years 10 months 1 day 10 hours ago) and read 2740 times:



Quoting Flyf15 (Reply 5):
No murders? Yeah right, my guess is they just haven't found the bodies yet.

Probably explains the well fed gators in the Everglades these days.


User currently offline808TWA From Canada, joined Jan 2006, 701 posts, RR: 20
Reply 15, posted (5 years 10 months 1 day 9 hours ago) and read 2735 times:

I'm assuming that the criminals were vacationing in Toronto during October?


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User currently onlineMaverickM11 From United States of America, joined Apr 2000, 17446 posts, RR: 46
Reply 16, posted (5 years 10 months 1 day 9 hours ago) and read 2732 times:



Quoting Dougloid (Reply 13):
Culturally homogeneous societies are *generally* less violent, at least in the developed world.

...and to think of all those diversity seminars I had to sit through telling me how wonderful diversity was Wink



E pur si muove -Galileo
User currently offlineCharles79 From Puerto Rico, joined Mar 2007, 1331 posts, RR: 6
Reply 17, posted (5 years 10 months 1 day 9 hours ago) and read 2721 times:



Quoting Aaron747 (Reply 10):
Boy things look different when you've been abroad awhile - I live in a city of 425,000 (Gifu, Japan) - about the same size as Oakland, St. Louis, Cleveland, et al, and there hasn't been a confirmed murder here since early 2006.

Hey Aaron, would you care guess as to why is that? I mean, is there something that they are doing at the government/social/individual level that perhaps we could adopt? It always amazes me at how murder rates can vary so greatly between similarly sized cities, even within the same country (as in the US).

Regardless, congratulations to Miami for that achievement. I grew up in a city with its share of crime and it's not fun at all.


User currently offlineJohns624 From United States of America, joined Jul 2008, 922 posts, RR: 0
Reply 18, posted (5 years 10 months 1 day 9 hours ago) and read 2711 times:

They must be dumping the bodies in the 'burbs...

User currently offlineDelta767300ER From United States of America, joined Dec 2003, 2562 posts, RR: 12
Reply 19, posted (5 years 10 months 1 day 9 hours ago) and read 2706 times:

Thats a shocker. I will see if I can dig up the total crime percentage for this year.

I dont like a lot of things about Miami but it is still a great city. You just have to be smart and avoid the rough areas.

-Delta767300ER


User currently offlineAaron747 From Japan, joined Aug 2003, 8135 posts, RR: 26
Reply 20, posted (5 years 10 months 1 day 5 hours ago) and read 2664 times:



Quoting Charles79 (Reply 17):
Hey Aaron, would you care guess as to why is that? I mean, is there something that they are doing at the government/social/individual level that perhaps we could adopt? It always amazes me at how murder rates can vary so greatly between similarly sized cities, even within the same country (as in the US).

It's simply cultural, I think. We value individuality above all else - the Japanese value the group. Our culture is not shame-based, Japanese culture is. All rules in Japanese society involve avoiding shame. If you do something criminal, you not only shame yourself, but anybody associated with you. It's like bringing a black cloud over your family, friends, workplace, schools you went to, everything. People would rather kill themselves if they have troubles than act violently against others. Not saying it never happens, as violent crime is on the rise here, but these factors certain have a huge impact on individual decisionmaking.

Not to mention you essentially get life prison sentences for drug possession and trafficking here - and not many people like the idea of Japanese prison, unless daily beatings from guards are attractive to you.



If you need someone to blame / throw a rock in the air / you'll hit someone guilty
User currently offlineMIAMIx707 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 21, posted (5 years 10 months 1 day 3 hours ago) and read 2647 times:



Quoting Fbgdavidson (Reply 7):

lol

In 1997 county mayor Alex Penelas put much more police on the streets and also many people in bad areas have been forced to leave in recent years because property taxes and cost of living has gotten way too expensive. Some real state around bad areas in NW and by Biscayne been bought and re-developed with expensive high rise condos, shopping centers, and the Art Deco district. I used to frequently be out around Miami at night and never felt unsafe. Murders only happen in the ghetto areas.

Quoting MAH4546 (Thread starter):
Not bad for a city that was easily the Murder Capital of the United States in the 1980s and early 1990s, but whose violent crime rate today is below both Tampa and Orlando.

Central Florida, especially the Orlando area attracts more people from up north than South Florida does because it's cheaper, there's more jobs, a larger resident community from NY, Michigan, etc and also from Puerto Rico. English is still the official language too  Wink. People in trouble with the law come down trying to get away from all these places.

While the murder rate in Miami has decreased dramatically, I'd say property theft is probably still higher than anywhere else in Florida.


User currently offlineFRAspotter From United States of America, joined May 2004, 2349 posts, RR: 9
Reply 22, posted (5 years 10 months 1 day 2 hours ago) and read 2629 times:



Quoting MAH4546 (Thread starter):
There were zero murders in the City of Miami in October 2008

...that they know about...  Wink



"Drunks run stop signs. Stoners wait for them to turn green."
User currently offlineFRAspotter From United States of America, joined May 2004, 2349 posts, RR: 9
Reply 23, posted (5 years 10 months 1 day 2 hours ago) and read 2628 times:



Quoting MAH4546 (Thread starter):

It looks like Horatio Cane and the rest of his team have had a lot of time on their hands this past month...  Wink



"Drunks run stop signs. Stoners wait for them to turn green."
User currently offlineMAH4546 From Sweden, joined Jan 2001, 32736 posts, RR: 72
Reply 24, posted (5 years 10 months 1 day 2 hours ago) and read 2617 times:



Quoting MIAMIx707 (Reply 21):
a larger resident community from NY

Keep on telling that yourself, because it's simply not true. South Florida hosts more New Yorkers than any other region in the U.S., and that's a simple fact. The nickname isn't the "sixth borough" for nothing. Now, if you maybe want to exclude immigrant New Yorkers who later move to Miami (i.e. a Russian who moves to New York and then Miami), the numbers probably get closer.

Quoting MIAMIx707 (Reply 21):

While the murder rate in Miami has decreased dramatically, I'd say property theft is probably still higher than anywhere else in Florida.

Orlando wins, at least in 2006, the latest full numbers available.

Orlando's burglary rate, larceny rate and vehicle theft rate are 49.6%, 86.5%, and 18% higher, respectively, than Miami's.

Of course, both cities are far above the national average in every category except forcible rate, where Miami is below the national average but Orlando is nearly triple above it.

http://orlando.areaconnect.com/crime...tm?c1=Orlando&s1=FL&c2=Miami&s2=FL



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25 Dougloid : Stick with me kid. I'll never steer you wrong.
26 MIAMIx707 : ok, who cares? lol a website with a pull down menu told you that.. What's clear here is that it doesn't sound like you've even lived in Miami,. where
27 SHUPirate1 : Hey...I had my car broken into at work two weeks ago, a block from my house, and I live in, and work at, an affluent area with virtually nobody under
28 Post contains links MAH4546 : That's fine. If you want to ignore FBI statistics, which is where that website gets the data from as it clearly says under the chart, be my guest. An
29 MIAMIx707 : what?? As supposed to someone who's never lived there, and apparently hasn't lived in Miami either, yes, most definitely. You still don't expect it t
30 Dougloid : I dunno. One fine day a couple years ago I had the garage door open and was changing a tire on one of my road bikes. The other one was moved out by m
31 Victrola : Whether he has ever lived in Miami is irrelevant. You seem to think that you anecdotal story about your cousin trumps crime statistics compiled by go
32 NASCARAirforce : I don't think Miami came close to Detroit ever in the 80s and 90s. I know it was bad but not that bad. I think Orlando is the murder capital of Flori
33 Post contains links Dougloid : Allright, all you folks in Miam-uh, don't go getting all wet and creamy over your newfound law abidingness. Things are getting under way. http://www.m
34 MIAMIx707 : Years ago i used to leave my "Huffy" outside the garage in Orlando like nothing, until one day it disappeared. It didn't take long to find out the ne
35 MAH4546 : Why the question marks? The fact remains that Orlando has the worst crime rate in Florida - both violent and non-violent. That's a fact. There is no
36 Post contains images MIAMIx707 : Everything you don't like to hear is stupidity. You know what I think is kind of stupid? When someone keeps posting without knowing what they're talk
37 Rojo : Como on guys, this is not a competition... we all know that Central and South Florida are not the safest places in the world, but we just need to be
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