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User currently offlinePanHAM From Germany, joined May 2005, 9401 posts, RR: 29
Posted (5 years 10 months 3 weeks 3 days 12 hours ago) and read 2818 times:

Breaking news is that designated Prime Minister of the State of Hesse, Andrea Ypsilanti lost her majority and failed in an attempt to get elected by the state parliament tomorrow Nov 4th.

This is good news for Fraport and the development of Frankfurt airport and the process of the new runway there. The election of Mrs Y would have been a desaster not only for the developemnt of Rhein-Main but for the industrial base of our state in general.

good to know that there are still upright members of a party fraction who don not support lunatics.

Three cheers for them


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User currently offlineGermanInItaly From Germany, joined Sep 2008, 43 posts, RR: 0
Reply 1, posted (5 years 10 months 3 weeks 3 days 11 hours ago) and read 2816 times:

Good news for CDU and.. for us..  Smile

User currently onlineMD11Engineer From Germany, joined Oct 2003, 14026 posts, RR: 62
Reply 2, posted (5 years 10 months 3 weeks 3 days 9 hours ago) and read 2791 times:

Well, for me its being between a rock and a hard place. I hate Ypsilanti and her ultraleftwing meschpoke, but I can't stand Koch of the right wing of the CDU either.
Why can't the SPD provide some pragmatic politicians of the just left of center Helmut Schmidt line?

Jan


User currently offlineNA From Germany, joined Dec 1999, 10736 posts, RR: 9
Reply 3, posted (5 years 10 months 3 weeks 3 days 9 hours ago) and read 2779 times:

I must admit that I voted for Ypsilanti earlier this year because the current "governor" of Hessen is arguably the best-hated politiician in Germany. Very unsympathetic, and his record is nothing more than mediocre. And he is not very "friendly" to foreigners to say the least.
High time to dump him. Not a man who deserves another term for sure.
But I wasn´t very positive about the alternative, too. It was a "cancer vs. cholera" choice. When Ypsilanti, despite saying otherwise before, turned to the far left party for help AFTER the election (to make it clear many voted for her because they voted AGAINST Koch in the first place), I couldn´t agree, and still don´t.
So I´m somewhat "ok" with Y not getting the post.
Now its for the CDU to find a successor for Koch. This man is discredited, and, as a person, clearly lost the election, but, sadly, as his avoidance of public appearances recently shows, is about to "sit it out" like his godfather Kohl. Thats not true democracy at all. This man MUST go.


User currently offlineBeaucaire From Syria, joined Sep 2003, 5252 posts, RR: 24
Reply 4, posted (5 years 10 months 3 weeks 3 days 9 hours ago) and read 2776 times:

It's like choosing betwen pest and cholera in Hessen..
I don't like the lady and hate the sufficient style of Koch as well..so the best for the voters in Hessen would be to promote a new political personality that combines competence,honesty,vision and charisma ..
Well- that might be a tough nut to crack for German politics..(politics globally even..)
Hessen needs a German Obama..



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User currently onlineMD11Engineer From Germany, joined Oct 2003, 14026 posts, RR: 62
Reply 5, posted (5 years 10 months 3 weeks 3 days 9 hours ago) and read 2769 times:



Quoting Beaucaire (Reply 4):
It's like choosing betwen pest and cholera in Hessen..

Exactly. The voters in Hessen had the choice between an ultra leftwing government including the neo-communists of the Linkspartei with a lying prime minister Ypsilanti and and an ultra rightwing bordering on fascism, using racist and anti-foreigner slogans, prime minister from the CDU. Where are the candidates representing the center (either centrist wing of the SPD or the moderate wing of the CDU)?
I'm quite sure that one reason why the SPD lost so many voters and members during the last years is the turnaway from the center towards the extreme left.

Jan


User currently offlineNA From Germany, joined Dec 1999, 10736 posts, RR: 9
Reply 6, posted (5 years 10 months 3 weeks 3 days 8 hours ago) and read 2754 times:



Quoting MD11Engineer (Reply 5):
Exactly. The voters in Hessen had the choice between an ultra leftwing government including the neo-communists of the Linkspartei with a lying prime minister Ypsilanti and and an ultra rightwing bordering on fascism, using racist and anti-foreigner slogans, prime minister from the CDU. Where are the candidates representing the center (either centrist wing of the SPD or the moderate wing of the CDU)?

What I said, in more drastic words. One thing you said is wrong so: Its the members of parliament who had the choice between a left wing INCLUDING neo-communists and already discredited Koch rightwingers on the other side. Not the voters. Ypsilanti said BEFORE the election she would not ally with the neo-communists. Thats why I voted for her. She broke her word and rightfully lost her head for that now.
Lets pray Koch with his semi-fascist torrents-of-hatred may follow soon. Let him become a lawyer again, or wait, better not. He´s perfectly suited to defend white collar criminals as he did nothing else as governnor. Actually he´s one of them with his black funds history.


User currently offlineColumba From Germany, joined Dec 2004, 7064 posts, RR: 4
Reply 7, posted (5 years 10 months 3 weeks 3 days 8 hours ago) and read 2752 times:

Great no just get rid of Koch, too and start fresh in Hesse.........


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User currently onlineTheSonntag From Germany, joined Jun 2005, 3599 posts, RR: 29
Reply 8, posted (5 years 10 months 3 weeks 3 days 8 hours ago) and read 2744 times:

At least those green Eco-Fascists cannot block the airport now...

User currently offlineNA From Germany, joined Dec 1999, 10736 posts, RR: 9
Reply 9, posted (5 years 10 months 3 weeks 3 days 7 hours ago) and read 2733 times:



Quoting TheSonntag (Reply 8):
At least those green Eco-Fascists cannot block the airport now...

Have you ever heard about the "St. Florian" principle?

Better eco"fascists" than real fascists. But, honestly, Ypsilanti is not an eco-"fascist". While the likes of Koch only care about whats happening next year, or in 4 years, when the next election comes, many Ypsilanti supporters focus on what should be in 10 or 30 years and try to implement measures ignoring today. Both is wrong.


User currently offlinePanHAM From Germany, joined May 2005, 9401 posts, RR: 29
Reply 10, posted (5 years 10 months 3 weeks 3 days 4 hours ago) and read 2706 times:



Quoting NA (Reply 3):
must admit that I voted for Ypsilanti earlier this year because the current "governor" of Hessen is arguably the best-hated politiician in Germany. Very unsympathetic, and his record

you should meet him in person he is a totally different person than what the media makes out of him He is a brilliant politician and that is dangerous in Germany, If you are brilliant and not left, you will be mpobbed by the media until you are dead. Koch defeated all this and stands above matters, whatever Hessoischer rundfunk says. I met hoim many times, heard many speeches, this man runs the state like a business and that's the way to do it., He is not anti but pro foreigners. But he is against that foreigners absuing our state and even the most left winger will agree that this is the case in many ways.

Quoting NA (Reply 3):
Now its for the CDU to find a successor for Koch. This man is discredited, and, as a person, clearly lost the election, but, sadly, as his avoidance of public appearances recently shows

that is up to the CDU members. He is the best man for the job and he will win the next election, as he did win the last

OK, he lost a large share of voters, but he still won and had more vots than Ypsilanti, democratic tradition would have meant a grand coaltion with Koch at the helm .

But never ever with extremists, be it left or right. That was Ypsilantis mistake and that broke her neck.



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User currently offlineKlaus From Germany, joined Jul 2001, 21469 posts, RR: 53
Reply 11, posted (5 years 10 months 3 weeks 3 days 3 hours ago) and read 2684 times:



Quoting PanHAM (Reply 10):
you should meet him in person he is a totally different person than what the media makes out of him

I've got exactly the opposite reaction from people who've met him personally. He seems to be at least as revolting in person as he is on TV.

Quoting PanHAM (Reply 10):
If you are brilliant and not left, you will be mpobbed by the media until you are dead. Koch defeated all this and stands above matters, whatever Hessoischer rundfunk says.

If Koch is your kind of guy, well, go ahead.

But his utterly disgusting attempt to explain the corrupt money laundering of his CDU as "jewish inheritances" together with his intensely xenophobic campaigns have successfully destroyed any image of decency he might have enjoyed at some time in the ancient past.

The man is one of the most repulsive individuals on the german political scene, and quite possibly at the top of that list.


User currently offlineLTU932 From Germany, joined Jan 2006, 13864 posts, RR: 50
Reply 12, posted (5 years 10 months 3 weeks 3 days 3 hours ago) and read 2676 times:

This is not only good news, this is excellent news! It shows that the state MPs in Hessen still have common sense. This is genuine punishment for Frau Yps blatantly throwing her pledge to NOT get help or become allied with the SED, and I hope this will finally end her powertrip.

Sure, Koch is no saint either, but as previously said, the choice is between pest and cholera (Not oder Elend), and if I was forced to make a choice as Hessian voter, I'd choose Koch every day of the week and twice on Sunday over Frau Yps. In any case, Koch will remain as interim state Prime Minister (geschäftsführender Ministerpräsident) for the time being.

That being said, given that nobody wants a coalition with Roland Koch and the SPD's reputation in Hessen totally destroyed, the only logical choice is to call for early elections for this January or February at earliest, so time can pass in order for the parties to make proper choices for Ministerpräsident and to set things up right.


User currently offlinePanHAM From Germany, joined May 2005, 9401 posts, RR: 29
Reply 13, posted (5 years 10 months 3 weeks 3 days 3 hours ago) and read 2667 times:



Quoting Klaus (Reply 11):
But his utterly disgusting attempt to explain the corrupt money laundering of his CDU as "jewish inheritances" together with his intensely xenophobic campaigns have successfully destroyed any image of decency he might have enjoyed at some time in the ancient past

Koch never lied on that subject. He blew the whistle on what his predecessor in office (chairman of the Hesse CDU) and his accountant did. There was an interview with HR TV and Koch could not say one item he knew at this time for legal reasons but he did not lie. he disclosed that matter the next morning. These are the facts and believe me, i was an assemblyman for almost 20 years. Koch is my Landtags representative and we got the chronological event from him first hand, He would not be in office, had he lied. Even the HR conceded lateron that the facts he presented were genuine., but they did not make it that üpublic.

But OK, if you want to be manipulated by the media, your problem. It's a democracy and you don't have to like him. But may be you agree that Miss Ypsilanti is about as bright as Sarah Palin, or, as our English friends say, she's not the brigfhtest bulb in the box.


BTW May be you've seen it on local TV, but the comment of that communist MP calling the four "pigs" is exactly what the Nazis would have said. No democratic party should deal with this bunch of extremists.

Quoting LTU932 (Reply 12):
given that nobody wants a coalition with Roland Koch and the SPD's reputation in Hessen totally destroyed, the only logical choice is to call for early elections for

The FDP does, but then again they don't have a majority. New elections are the answer with Koch running for MP again. That will happen most likely.


Anyway, the four made a right decision since the economic politics on Ypsilanti's agenda would have turned out to be a desaster. One cannot install an enemy of business as an economics minister, who on top of that is a lunatic dreamer who thinks that windmills can power a large economy like Germany. They wanted to stop the development of Frankfurt airport and Kassel airport as well. Mr Scheer, designated economics minister said that Kassel should become a test airfield for air ships. Someone should have told him before that Friedrichshafen is the very place for that since Graf Zeppelin and that the market for airships is rather overseeable.

They have pulled the emergency brake late but that's what emergency brakes are there for. Congratulations to these four upright SPD members of the Landtag.



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User currently offlineNoUFO From Germany, joined Apr 2001, 7957 posts, RR: 12
Reply 14, posted (5 years 10 months 3 weeks 3 days 3 hours ago) and read 2664 times:



Quoting LTU932 (Reply 12):
Frau Yps blatantly throwing her pledge

Was that supposed to be read "blatantly throwing" or "Mrs Ypsblatantly"?  Silly

Quoting LTU932 (Reply 12):
the choice is between pest and cholera (Not oder Elend),

Thanks for providing the German translation to us common folks not familiar with English.
Actually we say "Pest oder Cholera" in Germany, with Pest meaning as much as the plague - not any form of rodent, I believe.

But I concur, it's good to see at least four members of the SPD opposing the coalition and thus "steal" the necessary majority.
It could be argued if the decision came a bit too late to be considered fair, but somehow I have the feeling that reluctance was probably noticeable - albeit not in the public. Noticeable, unless of course your are blinded by the prospect of becoming Prime Minister.



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User currently offlineLTU932 From Germany, joined Jan 2006, 13864 posts, RR: 50
Reply 15, posted (5 years 10 months 3 weeks 3 days 1 hour ago) and read 2649 times:

Quoting PanHAM (Reply 13):
BTW May be you've seen it on local TV, but the comment of that communist MP calling the four "pigs" is exactly what the Nazis would have said. No democratic party should deal with this bunch of extremists.

What I also don't understand is why Münte goes public to show that he's upset, along with a big fat headline on Focus Online that says "Keine Absolution für Abweichler (No Absolution for those who went against the party line)".

I mean, I thought Münte had more common sense and was against the SPD's Linkskurs? Oh well, I guess it's all about winning the upcoming Bundestagswahlen, because he also hopes that what happened in Hessen, should not affect those elections. Also, with his remarks on Frau Yps losing her majority, it's becoming more and more likely that I'm voting for Angie next year. The only reason why I'd vote for the SPD would then have to be Helmut Schmidt running for Kanzler again, but he's over 90, though still enjoying the good life as editor of Die Zeit and travelling around the world, so we can forget that option.

That being said, my sincerest thanks for those who ended Frau Ypsilanti's powertrip: Jürgen Walter, Dagmar Metzger, Carmen Everts und Silke Tesch.

Quoting NoUFO (Reply 14):
Was that supposed to be read "blatantly throwing" or "Mrs Ypsblatantly"?

The first option.  Wink

Quoting NoUFO (Reply 14):
Actually we say "Pest oder Cholera" in Germany, with Pest meaning as much as the plague - not any form of rodent, I believe.

I'm more used to Not oder Elend, which basically means the same, but what can I say, the German language has so many elegant ways of expressing things, it's just unbelievable. 

[Edited 2008-11-03 12:52:04]

User currently offlineNoUFO From Germany, joined Apr 2001, 7957 posts, RR: 12
Reply 16, posted (5 years 10 months 3 weeks 3 days 1 hour ago) and read 2641 times:



Quoting LTU932 (Reply 15):
but what can I say, the German language has so many elegant ways of expressing things, it's just unbelievable.

Especially when it comes to finding elegant synonyms for anguish, famine, plague and other horrors.  Wink

Quoting LTU932 (Reply 15):
What I also don't understand is why Münte goes public to show that he's upset, along with a big fat headline on Focus Online that says "Keine Absolution für Abweichler (No Absolution for those who went against the party line)".

I mean, I thought Münte had more common sense and was against the SPD's Linkskurs?

From what I understand, the timing is what annoyes him. The SPD spent months on negotiations, and on the very last day, three out of the four come out and say they are not going to vote for any administration tolerated by the Socialists. If Müntefering was member of the parliament in Hesse, he would probably be the 5th man opposing the route Ypsilanti had choosen.



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User currently offlineLTU932 From Germany, joined Jan 2006, 13864 posts, RR: 50
Reply 17, posted (5 years 10 months 3 weeks 3 days 1 hour ago) and read 2637 times:



Quoting NoUFO (Reply 16):
If Müntefering was member of the parliament in Hesse, he would probably be the 5th man opposing the route Ypsilanti had choosen.

Nevertheless, Münte's statement doesn't exactly convince me that he is indeed against the Linkskurs. Good thing Steinmeier hasn't said anything, or else it would have had bigger implications on next September, given that Frank-Walter Steinmeier is the SPD's Kanzlerkandidat.


User currently offlinePanHAM From Germany, joined May 2005, 9401 posts, RR: 29
Reply 18, posted (5 years 10 months 3 weeks 3 days ago) and read 2632 times:



Quoting LTU932 (Reply 15):
What I also don't understand is why Münte goes public to show that he's upset, along with a big fat headline on Focus Online that says "Keine Absolution für Abweichler (No Absolution for

I really don't know if he's more upset about the four or about Ypsilanti acting that stupid. He is a professional and as party chairman he has to make a statement, Of course he cannot cheer the four upright SPD members. That is party politics.


Most of us here work somehow in the airline industry or at least are enthusiasts, It does not matter what your political preference is, we have to respect each other as long as the preference is covered in the democratic spectrum. But I think there is a common platform over the party preferences that today was a good day for aviation in Germany.

Kassel may not play that big a role but still is important, But if Ypsilanti had her run tomorrow, that would have spelled desaster for Rhein-Main. Not only that a declared enemy of business was designated as minister ofr Economics, his state secretary would have been a (I use Juergen Walter's words) religious enemy of the Rhein-Main airport.

My prsonal bet is that de-hubbing of Rhein Main was more likely than a timeley expansion.

I shared a bottle of Rheingau Winzer Sekt (sparkling wine) with my wife on that occasion and I will not hide my Schadenfreude. Why should I, a wish came true.



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User currently offlineLTU932 From Germany, joined Jan 2006, 13864 posts, RR: 50
Reply 19, posted (5 years 10 months 3 weeks 3 days ago) and read 2627 times:



Quoting PanHAM (Reply 18):
But if Ypsilanti had her run tomorrow, that would have spelled desaster for Rhein-Main. Not only that a declared enemy of business was designated as minister ofr Economics, his state secretary would have been a (I use Juergen Walter's words) religious enemy of the Rhein-Main airport.

What happened today is not only good for FRA, it's also good for all of Hessen, because it's also an opportunity to start over. The people could then have the choice to finally give Frau Yps the boot for being the liar that she is. I agree with people who said that what Frau Yps did, is nothing more than electoral fraud. It's not electoral fraud through ballot manipulation, but through telling people one thing and immediately throwing everything away for a powertrip.

I just hope for her sake that she's not a sore loser. Even she should now know that early elections are unavoidable, and she will have to face the responsibilites of her lies when the Hessians go back to the polls.

Quoting PanHAM (Reply 18):
I shared a bottle of Rheingau Winzer Sekt (sparkling wine) with my wife on that occasion and I will not hide my Schadenfreude. Why should I, a wish came true.

Na dann, Prost!  champagne 


User currently onlineMD11Engineer From Germany, joined Oct 2003, 14026 posts, RR: 62
Reply 20, posted (5 years 10 months 2 weeks 6 days 4 hours ago) and read 2542 times:



Quoting LTU932 (Reply 15):

I mean, I thought Münte had more common sense and was against the SPD's Linkskurs? Oh well, I guess it's all about winning the upcoming Bundestagswahlen, because he also hopes that what happened in Hessen, should not affect those elections. Also, with his remarks on Frau Yps losing her majority, it's becoming more and more likely that I'm voting for Angie next year. The only reason why I'd vote for the SPD would then have to be Helmut Schmidt running for Kanzler again, but he's over 90, though still enjoying the good life as editor of Die Zeit and travelling around the world, so we can forget that option.

This is it exactly. A SPD governed Hessen would have changed the majority situation in the Bundesrat, Germany's equivalent to the US Senate. And next year are federal elections, so Münte, no matter if he likes Ypsilanti or not, is hard on party discipline. No mavericks permitted.

Jan


User currently onlineTheSonntag From Germany, joined Jun 2005, 3599 posts, RR: 29
Reply 21, posted (5 years 10 months 2 weeks 5 days 9 hours ago) and read 2496 times:

Koch has announced that he will not reintroduce the "Studiengebühren" (university fees) again. That means that if he gets re-elected, this one year of chaos might actually have been quite useful for Hesse... This was one of the points where I really disagreed with the government.

User currently offlineLTU932 From Germany, joined Jan 2006, 13864 posts, RR: 50
Reply 22, posted (5 years 10 months 2 weeks 5 days 3 hours ago) and read 2456 times:

http://www.focus.de/politik/deutschl...t-schaefer-guembel_aid_347068.html

Good news: Frau Yps will not run for the upcoming January 18 elections in Hessen, however she suggested that a relatively unexperienced man with Thomas Schäfer-Gümbel be the next Spitzenkandidat.

And on the bright side, some SPD-Satire from Extra 3.

http://de.youtube.com/watch?v=ZBIqDhQiNEM


User currently offlineBeaucaire From Syria, joined Sep 2003, 5252 posts, RR: 24
Reply 23, posted (5 years 10 months 2 weeks 5 days 3 hours ago) and read 2448 times:



If this clown is supposed to challenge Koch in Hessen,the SPD has completely lost it's credibility..(whatever is left ..other than Steinmeier and Münte there's nothing left in credible personalities within the SPD..)
Schröder compared to this amateur -band in Frankfurt was like Obama running against Palin...

That figure is good to play in a remake of " The Adams-family..." Big grin



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User currently offlineRara From Germany, joined Jan 2007, 2093 posts, RR: 2
Reply 24, posted (5 years 10 months 2 weeks 5 days 3 hours ago) and read 2438 times:

If he every gets anywhere at all, he'll be wonderful to impersonate with a handpuppet. Muppet style.


Samson was a biblical tough guy, but his dad Samsonite was even more of a hard case.
25 LTU932 : I tell you, if the SPD does not make dramatic changes until January 18th, then Roland Koch may well find himself with an absolute majority again. Thi
26 NA : That Ypsilanti resigned is good and shows that she unlike her opponent Koch, has some backbone left. A horrible thought that Koch will do it again. Th
27 Rara : Nice summary. I'm SO grateful I'm not registered in Hesse anymore. I'm prediction a low turnout because many people will, like you, have no idea who
28 PanHAM : The extra3 video is hilarious, thanks for sharing. I liked the titel on the FAZ this morning "Ypsilani pushes backbencher up front". She still has nm
29 NA : I´m living in Frankfurt and I have not noticed nothing about "Koch running Hesse brilliantly". I only meet people, many among them CDU voters, who d
30 JoFMO : I would prefer to take him by his actions. Therefore I can only judge him as a reckless xenophobic person. If he is such a nice person in private, wh
31 PanHAM : Well, I know many who want him and who agree that he's done an excellent job. May be you are a victim of a press campaign which is run against Koch si
32 NA : PanHam, to know a politician personally can, and mostly will, obstruct someone´s view onto the realities. Koch was mediocre at best, not brilliant. H
33 PanHAM : Thats what the media tells you. He does not do that, Koch is for the integration of the people coming to us. The campaign 9 years ago was against dou
34 Rara : Usually whenever a CDU politician has run his course, the party starts crying about the evil media. Not an exclusive CDU phenomenon, but notable none
35 ME AVN FAN : - I just like most people seldom met leading politicians "in person" ever. How to be "made out of by the media" is what makes a politician a success
36 PanHAM : you are still wrong and you can repeat that as many times as you want, you remain wrong. Kochs campaign was against hooligans who almost beat an old
37 ME AVN FAN : The media in fact reported his campaign to have been against hooligans and against violent people. But HIS wording sounded as if ANY violence came fr
38 Rara : LOL, total coincidence really. They just "happened" to be foreigners. Why did Koch see a need to "campaign" against them, did he not trust Bavarian a
39 PanHAM : there wqas a similar incident at the same time in hesse. get a transcript of "Hart aber Fair" and read the complete wording. You will see that you ar
40 Post contains links NA : The lighter side: http://www.spiegel.de/spam/ Koch nimmt Schäfer-Gümbel ernst!/Koch takes Schäfer-Gümbel serious! From left to right: "We don´t n
41 Beaucaire : Well- I would play it safe and print at least 25...
42 PanHAM : Nice joke. But neither Spiegel nor SPD should worry about this, Koch is all business and he never takes anything on the light side. The CDU will run a
43 NA : So he learned something and will do it totally different to the last one, good to hear. Last time he went fishing in a pond full of brownish mud and
44 PanHAM : Yes, unlike Mrs Y he learned from mistakes and no, he did not fish in a brownish mud. The CDU may have turned a bit more to the left, but they never
45 Columba : He looks a bit like Elton - TV comedian Stefan Raab´s own private Sancho Panza
46 NA : In no big German party were and are so many sympathisers with far rightwing connections and opinions than in the CDU. Period. Koch as a person may no
47 PanHAM : Who told you that? The other point, the NPD ois not a right wing party. They are anti globalisation, anti USA, anti Israel, anti EU, they have more o
48 Klaus : You're quite lonely with that bizarre assessment. Their aggressive nationalism, tribal chauvinism, racism and antisemitism clearly puts them on the r
49 ME AVN FAN : - correct. Interesting however is that voters of rightwing-extremists can vote extreme left next time and voters of leftwing-extremists extreme right
50 Rara : I never doubted that. I know that his actual policies are by far not as extremist as his campaign propaganda. That's another reason for me not to vot
51 LTU932 : I'm sorry, but I have a very hard time believing that the NPD is a radical left wing party. Sure, in parts like globalisation they do agree with the
52 NA : The history books. Were do you live, that you try to deny that? Just to mention very few: Adenauer had Nazis in his CDU government, Filbinger was a C
53 PanHAM : no, I am quite logic and I have presented the logic. The difference between the NPD and the SED/Linke may be that the NPD members are open anti semit
54 NA : I know a lot about history, I can tell you. If not what I am today, I would have studied history. I know a lot about the denazification and how it was
55 Post contains links and images Rara : Of course you can label an extreme-right wing party like NPD extreme-left if you so please. I can also call a cat a dog. The cat might even BE a dog
56 PanHAM : because you don't get the logic and you don't get the logic because you donwant to think about it., A party is what their agenda is. Now, when the ag
57 Post contains links ME AVN FAN : - the following "history" is from www.npd.de : ... Die Nationaldemokratische Partei Deutschlands (NPD) wurde am 28. November 1964 in Hannover gegrün
58 PanHAM : so why then, is the cross over from communist positions to npd positions that easy? Even former RAF followers made that step and they had absolutely
59 ME AVN FAN : - - change-overs from one extremist party to the other is always easy, as what unites the pack is the permanent symplifying and the tendency of extre
60 ME AVN FAN : - The communist governments of the Eastern Bloc simply denied having any racism and fascism problems, while the mentality in reality was blooming. -
61 Rara : No, they prefer right-wing extremists like Schill in Hamburg. This is simply wrong. I don't have time to look it up precisely, but the NPD had a very
62 PanHAM : Bull. Schill was a populist like that Pim Fonteyn guy in Holland. At the time when the coalition was formed he won about 20% of the vots in Hamburg,
63 Post contains links LTU932 : http://www.focus.de/politik/deutschl...-kommunismus-wagen_aid_348089.html This is an interesting read. While the Linkspartei claims to be compliant wi
64 ME AVN FAN : - the question is to what extent those "communists" are in line with the "Grundgesetz" ???
65 Rara : Perhaps, but they is a least one distinct party called "KPD" again which is different from the DKP. No idea who those people are, but I am quite sure
66 LTU932 : Interesting, I never heard of that before (maybe because I didn't vote in 05 because I found the choices to be Pest and Cholera or Not oder Elend). I
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