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Body Exhumed After 40 Years For Public Display.  
User currently offlineCumulus From United Kingdom, joined Aug 2006, 1402 posts, RR: 1
Posted (5 years 9 months 4 weeks 9 hours ago) and read 32767 times:

Earlier this year the body of Padre Pio was exhumed 40 years after his death in Italy and put on public display.

Exactly what is the point of this?

http://douglawrence.wordpress.com/20...6/04/st-padre-pios-incorrupt-body/


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User currently offlineDaleaholic From UK - England, joined Oct 2005, 3207 posts, RR: 13
Reply 1, posted (5 years 9 months 4 weeks 9 hours ago) and read 32767 times:

The religion obviously believes that he has some magic powers... Leave them to it I say. I'll get on with my own life.

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User currently offlineCumulus From United Kingdom, joined Aug 2006, 1402 posts, RR: 1
Reply 2, posted (5 years 9 months 4 weeks 9 hours ago) and read 32767 times:

Your signature sort of contradicts you a bit there!

[Edited 2008-11-03 14:16:08]


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User currently offlineConcordeBoy From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 3, posted (5 years 9 months 4 weeks 9 hours ago) and read 32767 times:

Freaky.

That said, he's remarkably well-preserved for having died back before even Woodstock took place:



User currently offlineCumulus From United Kingdom, joined Aug 2006, 1402 posts, RR: 1
Reply 4, posted (5 years 9 months 4 weeks 9 hours ago) and read 32767 times:



Quoting ConcordeBoy (Reply 3):
he's remarkably well-preserved for having died back before even Woodstock took place:

The article states that they got the boys at Madame Tusauds to make a mask for him. What is interesting there is no Stigmata which he had when he died on his forehead (or could have been his hand).



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User currently offlineMaverickM11 From United States of America, joined Apr 2000, 17439 posts, RR: 46
Reply 5, posted (5 years 9 months 4 weeks 9 hours ago) and read 32767 times:

"Among his other gifts were perfume, bilocation, prophecy, conversion, reading of souls, and miraculous cures.

Perfume? Bilocation?



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User currently offlineLTU932 From Germany, joined Jan 2006, 13864 posts, RR: 50
Reply 6, posted (5 years 9 months 4 weeks 8 hours ago) and read 32767 times:

I don't care if he's a saint or not, a public display like that is, if it has to be done, only done immediately after dying, not after 40 years since his burial and going through beatification and canonisation in the process.

User currently offlineAcheron From Spain, joined Sep 2005, 1629 posts, RR: 2
Reply 7, posted (5 years 9 months 4 weeks 8 hours ago) and read 32767 times:



Quoting ConcordeBoy (Reply 3):
Freaky.

That said, he's remarkably well-preserved for having died back before even Woodstock took place:

I find the whole subject of preserved bodies of the religious quite fascinating but such a shame there aren't many good and recent pictures of them around.

(using url instead of img tags since some probably won't enjoy seeing said pictures)
Died in 1855.
[url]http://www.oremosjuntos.com/Santa_Maria_Crucificada_Paola_de_la_Rosa_incorrupta1.jpg[/url

Died in 1915
http://www.oremosjuntos.com/V._Juan_Maria_Riera2_539x404.jpg

Died in 303.
http://www.oremosjuntos.com/San_Hermion__Martir_Romano_303.jpg

Died in 1663
http://www.oremosjuntos.com/Beata_Maria_Angela_Astorch_incorrupta2.jpg

Died in 1670
http://www.oremosjuntos.com/San_Carlos_de_Sezze.jpg

Died in 303.
http://www.oremosjuntos.com/Santa_Agape_martir.jpg

Died in 305.
http://www.oremosjuntos.com/San_Silvan_Martir.jpg

Died in 1600.
http://www.oremosjuntos.com/SantoralLatino/SanSAparicio5.jpg

Died in 1727
http://www.oremosjuntos.com/Santa_Veronica_Giulini.jpg

Died in 1837.
http://www.oremosjuntos.com/Beata_Ana_Maria_Taigi.jpg

Died in 1660.
http://www.oremosjuntos.com/San_Vicent_Paul.jpg

Then you have the creepy relics like heads and hearts, etc.
http://www.oremosjuntos.com/Santa_Catalina_de_Siena_-cabeza.jpg


User currently offlineCumulus From United Kingdom, joined Aug 2006, 1402 posts, RR: 1
Reply 8, posted (5 years 9 months 3 weeks 6 days 22 hours ago) and read 32767 times:



Quoting ConcordeBoy (Reply 3):
he's remarkably well-preserved for having died back before even Woodstock took place:

That said, he looks a bit like Joe Cocker when he played Woodstock!!!



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User currently offlineFalstaff From United States of America, joined Jun 2006, 6088 posts, RR: 29
Reply 9, posted (5 years 9 months 3 weeks 6 days 19 hours ago) and read 32767 times:
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I have a friend who has worked in all parts of the cemetary business since 1968 and he has told me that he has dug up bodies that could be displayed that were buried 50 plus years ago. The reason he has to do that from time to time is that the families want the bodies moved. As people leave Detroit they want to take their dead with them in some cases. Also many times a family may buy an entire plot at anothert cemetery and need to move a body there. The bodies need new caskets and burial vaults so the bodies have to be removed from their caskets.

Paul has a wierd job and he has some crazy stories to tell, but after 40 years it is just like any other job.



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User currently offlineCumulus From United Kingdom, joined Aug 2006, 1402 posts, RR: 1
Reply 10, posted (5 years 9 months 3 weeks 6 days 17 hours ago) and read 32767 times:



Quoting Falstaff (Reply 9):
As people leave Detroit they want to take their dead with them in some cases.

Now that to me is very odd. I can understand not wanting to leave a loved one behind, but where do you draw the line?



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User currently offlineACDC8 From Canada, joined Mar 2005, 7642 posts, RR: 35
Reply 11, posted (5 years 9 months 3 weeks 6 days 16 hours ago) and read 32767 times:



Quoting Falstaff (Reply 9):
The reason he has to do that from time to time is that the families want the bodies moved. As people leave Detroit they want to take their dead with them in some cases.

Interesting. I've never thought or heard of that happening, but I could understand that some families would do that.



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User currently offlineCumulus From United Kingdom, joined Aug 2006, 1402 posts, RR: 1
Reply 12, posted (5 years 9 months 3 weeks 6 days 15 hours ago) and read 32767 times:

Wasn't Winston Churchill buried in a Lead Coffin so, in theory, be intact?


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User currently offlineTSS From United States of America, joined Dec 2006, 3068 posts, RR: 5
Reply 13, posted (5 years 9 months 3 weeks 6 days 14 hours ago) and read 32767 times:



Quoting Cumulus (Reply 10):
Quoting Falstaff (Reply 9):
As people leave Detroit they want to take their dead with them in some cases.

Now that to me is very odd. I can understand not wanting to leave a loved one behind, but where do you draw the line?

Interesting question. I suppose it depends on how recent the burial was and how many living relatives the deceased has.
Neighborhoods change, cemeteries and churches close, all sorts of things can happen.
The woods around here are full of abandoned cemeteries, and many of them are the last remaining vestiges of communities that have ceased to exist.

Quoting Cumulus (Reply 12):
Wasn't Winston Churchill buried in a Lead Coffin so, in theory, be intact?

Possibly. Although lead is poison to most creatures, I'm not sure if it has any particularly strong anti-microbial properties. A few ounces of mercury sloshing around in the coffin would be a much better preservative.



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User currently offline2H4 From United States of America, joined Oct 2004, 8955 posts, RR: 60
Reply 14, posted (5 years 9 months 3 weeks 6 days 9 hours ago) and read 32767 times:
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Quoting Acheron (Reply 7):

Amazing how well preserved those are, considering the age.

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User currently offlineFalstaff From United States of America, joined Jun 2006, 6088 posts, RR: 29
Reply 15, posted (5 years 9 months 3 weeks 6 days 8 hours ago) and read 32767 times:
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Quoting TSS (Reply 13):
The woods around here are full of abandoned cemeteries, and many of them are the last remaining vestiges of communities that have ceased to exist.

I grew up in a neighborhood in Suburban St. Louis that was built between 1979 and 1987. Just up the street, behind a few houses, was a small cemetery with 27 grave stones.

Quoting TSS (Reply 13):
Interesting question. I suppose it depends on how recent the burial was and how many living relatives the deceased has.

My buddy tells me that mostly what happens is that family memebers are burried all over town or all over one cemetery and later on a family member buys a large plot and wants to move everyone in their family to it.

Another common reburial is in cases of children being dug up to be buried near their parents much later. Children that died in the 50-60 years ago are being dug up and put near or with their parents.

Woodmere Cemetery in Detroit opened in 1869 and is the oldest in the city. I think there have been over 2,000,000 people buried there, but the number there now is far less. Removing people from graves and taking them to a new cemetery is not new. Infact, the first 2000 graves at Woodmere were people removed from other cemeteries and that was way back in 1869.

There is a lot about the business most people would never know. My friend, Paul, who works in the business and has been a superintenant at various Detroit cemeteries, is a storehouse of knowlege. He even goes to conventions about cemeteries and crematoriums.


Quoting TSS (Reply 13):
Neighborhoods change, cemeteries and churches close, all sorts of things can happen.

Back in the early 1990s A bunch of people had to get moved out of a cemetery so the light rail line into STL could be built. In Denver the area around city hall was a cemetery and everyone there was moved when the hall was being built. In Hamtramack, Michigan there is a Jewish cemetery (last burial in 1955) that is completely surrounded by GM's Pol town assembly plant. When the neighborhood was torn down in the early eaights the cemetery stayed. You can not see it from anywhere outside the plant. On Jewish Holidays GM allowes family members and Rabbis in for services.

A few years ago a couple of my students got summer jobs at Forest Lawn Cemetery in Detroit digging up graves. They dug up graves by hand because many times the areas were tight with graves and you couldn't get equipment in there. Also a dozer with a shovel could damage remains. These guys would usually dig up a one or two a day. Then they would help out as the body was put into a new casket. They had some interesting tales to tell when they got back to school in September. A funny one was there was a guy stuck in the casket and they used a shovel, under the head, to pry him out, and his head popped off and rolled about twenty feet down a the hill until it came to rest against a tomb stone. Due to the nasty odors opening of caskets took place outside. These guys got paid $15 an hour, plus overtime, to dig. Not a bad paying job for a couple of high school students. I would have done it.



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User currently offlineKmh1956 From Bermuda, joined Jun 2005, 3324 posts, RR: 7
Reply 16, posted (5 years 9 months 3 weeks 6 days 8 hours ago) and read 32767 times:



Quoting 2H4 (Reply 14):
Amazing how well preserved those are, considering the age.

I thought the same thing. Actually, some of them look in better shape than some living folks I know...



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User currently offlineSmithAir747 From Canada, joined Jan 2004, 1628 posts, RR: 28
Reply 17, posted (5 years 9 months 3 weeks 6 days 6 hours ago) and read 32767 times:

How can hermetically sealed caskets and lead coffins preserve bodies?

I've read that sealing a casket (eg, the modern gasket-sealed metal caskets produced by Batesville, Aurora, and other companies) actually provides an anaerobic environment suitable for putrefaction of the body by anaerobic bacteria. That's why mausoleums often will not permit sealed caskets. Putrefaction is said to produce enough gas to pop open caskets and mausoleum crypts, and the putrefied remains become a corrosive fluid.

How then can these interesting cases of well-preserved bodies (like Padre Pio, or Winston Churchill in a lead coffin) happen?

SmithAir747



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User currently offlineDougloid From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 18, posted (5 years 9 months 3 weeks 6 days 6 hours ago) and read 32767 times:



Quoting Cumulus (Reply 10):
Quoting Falstaff (Reply 9):
As people leave Detroit they want to take their dead with them in some cases.

Now that to me is very odd. I can understand not wanting to leave a loved one behind, but where do you draw the line?

hey Falstaff, they need those dead folks in Detroit especially on election day.


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User currently offlineCumulus From United Kingdom, joined Aug 2006, 1402 posts, RR: 1
Reply 19, posted (5 years 9 months 3 weeks 5 days 21 hours ago) and read 32767 times:



Quoting Kmh1956 (Reply 16):
A funny one was there was a guy stuck in the casket and they used a shovel, under the head, to pry him out, and his head popped off and rolled about twenty feet down a the hill until it came to rest against a tomb stone.

That is gross!!!



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User currently offlineLTBEWR From United States of America, joined Jan 2004, 13078 posts, RR: 12
Reply 20, posted (5 years 9 months 3 weeks 5 days 19 hours ago) and read 32767 times:

Padre Pio has a 'cult' like following among some very dedicated and active Catholics. To display his body may have mystical and healing powers to some of them.

User currently offline2H4 From United States of America, joined Oct 2004, 8955 posts, RR: 60
Reply 21, posted (5 years 9 months 3 weeks 5 days 18 hours ago) and read 32767 times:
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Quoting Falstaff (Reply 15):
In Hamtramack, Michigan there is a Jewish cemetery (last burial in 1955) that is completely surrounded by GM's Pol town assembly plant.

Can you find it on Google Earth or Microsoft Virtual Earth "Bird's Eye" view?

Quoting Kmh1956 (Reply 16):
Actually, some of them look in better shape than some living folks I know...

Well, I assume the deceased were non-smokers...  duck 

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User currently offlineEZEIZA From Argentina, joined Aug 2004, 4964 posts, RR: 25
Reply 22, posted (5 years 9 months 3 weeks 5 days 17 hours ago) and read 32767 times:



Quoting 2H4 (Reply 21):
Well, I assume the deceased were non-smokers...

and didn't eat Mcdonald's  Wink

I'm impressed by how well preserved some of these bodies are, especially the ones posted in reply 7 ...

rgds  Smile



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User currently offlineCumulus From United Kingdom, joined Aug 2006, 1402 posts, RR: 1
Reply 23, posted (5 years 9 months 3 weeks 5 days 17 hours ago) and read 32767 times:

Catherine Of Bologna here died 545 years ago!!!

That is mad!!!

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User currently offlineDougloid From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 24, posted (5 years 9 months 3 weeks 5 days 17 hours ago) and read 32767 times:



Quoting MaverickM11 (Reply 5):
"Among his other gifts were perfume, bilocation, prophecy, conversion, reading of souls, and miraculous cures.

Perfume? Bilocation?

Well, the perfume's obvious-the guy's been dead for forty years. The bilocation seems to mean he's in two places at one time.

And the look? Better living through chemistry, according to the usually reliable source, it's a facial mask made of silicone.

"On March 3, 2008 the body of Saint Pio was exhumed from his crypt, 40 years after his death, so that his remains could be prepared for display. A church statement described the body as being in "fair condition". Archbishop Domenico D'Ambrosio, papal legate to the shrine in San Giovanni Rotondo, stated "the top part of the skull is partly skeletal but the chin is perfect and the rest of the body is well preserved".[35] Archbishop D’Ambrosio also confirmed in a communiqué that “the stigmata are not visible.”[36] He further confirmed that formalin was injected into Padre Pio's body prior to burial to preserve it. He went on to say that St. Pio's hands "looked like they had just undergone a manicure". It was hoped that morticians would be able to restore the face so that it will be recognizable. However, due to its deterioration, his face was covered with a life-like silicone mask"


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