LTU932 From Germany, joined Jan 2006, 14136 posts, RR: 47
Reply 6, posted (7 years 3 weeks 3 days 6 hours ago) and read 32767 times:
I don't care if he's a saint or not, a public display like that is, if it has to be done, only done immediately after dying, not after 40 years since his burial and going through beatification and canonisation in the process.
Falstaff From United States of America, joined Jun 2006, 6388 posts, RR: 29
Reply 9, posted (7 years 3 weeks 2 days 17 hours ago) and read 32767 times:
I have a friend who has worked in all parts of the cemetary business since 1968 and he has told me that he has dug up bodies that could be displayed that were buried 50 plus years ago. The reason he has to do that from time to time is that the families want the bodies moved. As people leave Detroit they want to take their dead with them in some cases. Also many times a family may buy an entire plot at anothert cemetery and need to move a body there. The bodies need new caskets and burial vaults so the bodies have to be removed from their caskets.
Paul has a wierd job and he has some crazy stories to tell, but after 40 years it is just like any other job.
TSS From United States of America, joined Dec 2006, 3108 posts, RR: 4
Reply 13, posted (7 years 3 weeks 2 days 12 hours ago) and read 32767 times:
Quoting Cumulus (Reply 10): Quoting Falstaff (Reply 9):
As people leave Detroit they want to take their dead with them in some cases.
Now that to me is very odd. I can understand not wanting to leave a loved one behind, but where do you draw the line?
Interesting question. I suppose it depends on how recent the burial was and how many living relatives the deceased has.
Neighborhoods change, cemeteries and churches close, all sorts of things can happen.
The woods around here are full of abandoned cemeteries, and many of them are the last remaining vestiges of communities that have ceased to exist.
Quoting Cumulus (Reply 12): Wasn't Winston Churchill buried in a Lead Coffin so, in theory, be intact?
Possibly. Although lead is poison to most creatures, I'm not sure if it has any particularly strong anti-microbial properties. A few ounces of mercury sloshing around in the coffin would be a much better preservative.
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Falstaff From United States of America, joined Jun 2006, 6388 posts, RR: 29
Reply 15, posted (7 years 3 weeks 2 days 6 hours ago) and read 32767 times:
Quoting TSS (Reply 13): The woods around here are full of abandoned cemeteries, and many of them are the last remaining vestiges of communities that have ceased to exist.
I grew up in a neighborhood in Suburban St. Louis that was built between 1979 and 1987. Just up the street, behind a few houses, was a small cemetery with 27 grave stones.
Quoting TSS (Reply 13): Interesting question. I suppose it depends on how recent the burial was and how many living relatives the deceased has.
My buddy tells me that mostly what happens is that family memebers are burried all over town or all over one cemetery and later on a family member buys a large plot and wants to move everyone in their family to it.
Another common reburial is in cases of children being dug up to be buried near their parents much later. Children that died in the 50-60 years ago are being dug up and put near or with their parents.
Woodmere Cemetery in Detroit opened in 1869 and is the oldest in the city. I think there have been over 2,000,000 people buried there, but the number there now is far less. Removing people from graves and taking them to a new cemetery is not new. Infact, the first 2000 graves at Woodmere were people removed from other cemeteries and that was way back in 1869.
There is a lot about the business most people would never know. My friend, Paul, who works in the business and has been a superintenant at various Detroit cemeteries, is a storehouse of knowlege. He even goes to conventions about cemeteries and crematoriums.
Quoting TSS (Reply 13): Neighborhoods change, cemeteries and churches close, all sorts of things can happen.
Back in the early 1990s A bunch of people had to get moved out of a cemetery so the light rail line into STL could be built. In Denver the area around city hall was a cemetery and everyone there was moved when the hall was being built. In Hamtramack, Michigan there is a Jewish cemetery (last burial in 1955) that is completely surrounded by GM's Pol town assembly plant. When the neighborhood was torn down in the early eaights the cemetery stayed. You can not see it from anywhere outside the plant. On Jewish Holidays GM allowes family members and Rabbis in for services.
A few years ago a couple of my students got summer jobs at Forest Lawn Cemetery in Detroit digging up graves. They dug up graves by hand because many times the areas were tight with graves and you couldn't get equipment in there. Also a dozer with a shovel could damage remains. These guys would usually dig up a one or two a day. Then they would help out as the body was put into a new casket. They had some interesting tales to tell when they got back to school in September. A funny one was there was a guy stuck in the casket and they used a shovel, under the head, to pry him out, and his head popped off and rolled about twenty feet down a the hill until it came to rest against a tomb stone. Due to the nasty odors opening of caskets took place outside. These guys got paid $15 an hour, plus overtime, to dig. Not a bad paying job for a couple of high school students. I would have done it.
SmithAir747 From United States of America, joined Jan 2004, 1703 posts, RR: 26
Reply 17, posted (7 years 3 weeks 2 days 4 hours ago) and read 32767 times:
How can hermetically sealed caskets and lead coffins preserve bodies?
I've read that sealing a casket (eg, the modern gasket-sealed metal caskets produced by Batesville, Aurora, and other companies) actually provides an anaerobic environment suitable for putrefaction of the body by anaerobic bacteria. That's why mausoleums often will not permit sealed caskets. Putrefaction is said to produce enough gas to pop open caskets and mausoleum crypts, and the putrefied remains become a corrosive fluid.
How then can these interesting cases of well-preserved bodies (like Padre Pio, or Winston Churchill in a lead coffin) happen?
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Cumulus From United Kingdom, joined Aug 2006, 1402 posts, RR: 1
Reply 19, posted (7 years 3 weeks 1 day 18 hours ago) and read 32767 times:
Quoting Kmh1956 (Reply 16): A funny one was there was a guy stuck in the casket and they used a shovel, under the head, to pry him out, and his head popped off and rolled about twenty feet down a the hill until it came to rest against a tomb stone.
That is gross!!!
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Dougloid From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 24, posted (7 years 3 weeks 1 day 15 hours ago) and read 32767 times:
Quoting MaverickM11 (Reply 5): "Among his other gifts were perfume, bilocation, prophecy, conversion, reading of souls, and miraculous cures.
Well, the perfume's obvious-the guy's been dead for forty years. The bilocation seems to mean he's in two places at one time.
And the look? Better living through chemistry, according to the usually reliable source, it's a facial mask made of silicone.
"On March 3, 2008 the body of Saint Pio was exhumed from his crypt, 40 years after his death, so that his remains could be prepared for display. A church statement described the body as being in "fair condition". Archbishop Domenico D'Ambrosio, papal legate to the shrine in San Giovanni Rotondo, stated "the top part of the skull is partly skeletal but the chin is perfect and the rest of the body is well preserved". Archbishop D’Ambrosio also confirmed in a communiqué that “the stigmata are not visible.” He further confirmed that formalin was injected into Padre Pio's body prior to burial to preserve it. He went on to say that St. Pio's hands "looked like they had just undergone a manicure". It was hoped that morticians would be able to restore the face so that it will be recognizable. However, due to its deterioration, his face was covered with a life-like silicone mask"
: I have a theory that regularly eating large amounts of McDonald's and Taco Bell partially embalms the body, thereby taking the effectiveness of post-