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Bob Barr & Other Independents 2008  
User currently offlineSmcmac32msn From United States of America, joined May 2004, 2211 posts, RR: 4
Posted (5 years 10 months 2 weeks 5 days 21 hours ago) and read 1668 times:

This thread is for those of us who want the "main" two canidates to prove themselves to us when one wins. They've now talked the talk, can the winner, walk the walk??? Don't come in here and rip us for our thoughts, if you don't like it, LEAVE!

I think both canidates need to prove to us that what they said on the campaign trail, they follow up on.... I voted for Bob Barr and if you don't like either canidate outright, its not a bad path to follow to show that America doesn't trust either Obama or McCain.


Hey Obama, keep the change! I want my dollar back.
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User currently offlineSlider From United States of America, joined Feb 2004, 6816 posts, RR: 34
Reply 1, posted (5 years 10 months 2 weeks 5 days 21 hours ago) and read 1659 times:

HUAH!

I'm glad there are other like-minded free thinking third party advocates out there who treasure true liberty and freedom.


User currently offlineSmcmac32msn From United States of America, joined May 2004, 2211 posts, RR: 4
Reply 2, posted (5 years 10 months 2 weeks 5 days 21 hours ago) and read 1658 times:

Not many of us out there, but I'm hoping it catches on.... The longer we go in this current system, the worse it seems to get.


Hey Obama, keep the change! I want my dollar back.
User currently offlineLowrider From United States of America, joined Jun 2004, 3220 posts, RR: 10
Reply 3, posted (5 years 10 months 2 weeks 5 days 21 hours ago) and read 1658 times:

How about Baldwin/Castle from the Constitution Party?


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User currently offlineSmcmac32msn From United States of America, joined May 2004, 2211 posts, RR: 4
Reply 4, posted (5 years 10 months 2 weeks 5 days 21 hours ago) and read 1654 times:

Any 3rd party canidate is welcome here. I just figured Libertarian party seemed to be the biggest 3rd party out there, so thats why I did Bob Barr's name. Can you inform us about Baldwin/Castle?


Hey Obama, keep the change! I want my dollar back.
User currently offlineDLPMMM From United States of America, joined Apr 2005, 3592 posts, RR: 10
Reply 5, posted (5 years 10 months 2 weeks 5 days 21 hours ago) and read 1648 times:

I have been a Libertarian for almost 30 years (Ed Clark ring a bell?), but I can't pull for Barr. Why is he bringing religion into a sectarian party?

User currently offlineMadameConcorde From San Marino, joined Feb 2007, 10897 posts, RR: 37
Reply 6, posted (5 years 10 months 2 weeks 5 days 21 hours ago) and read 1639 times:



Quoting Slider (Reply 1):

I am one who did not chose either Obama or McCain in the non-US voters poll thread. I chose a Third Party candidate instead, Ralph Nader, but I also mentioned the other Third Party candidates such as Ron Paul and Chuck Baldwin.

Barack Obama and John McCain are both candidates of fthe Establishment. I don't believe much change has to be expected from them. I always prefer non-conformists and non-mainstream candidates especially in this election. I believe real change will come from them, not from candidates from the Establishment.



There was a better way to fly it was called Concorde
User currently offlineSmcmac32msn From United States of America, joined May 2004, 2211 posts, RR: 4
Reply 7, posted (5 years 10 months 2 weeks 5 days 21 hours ago) and read 1639 times:



Quoting DLPMMM (Reply 5):
Why is he bringing religion into a sectarian party?

I haven't really seen that so much, but I think its a little bit of a hot button topic (or could soon be again on the Federal level) right now. Whit the gay-rights marriage problems going through different states, he is just stating his side. If you can explain....



Hey Obama, keep the change! I want my dollar back.
User currently offlineLowrider From United States of America, joined Jun 2004, 3220 posts, RR: 10
Reply 8, posted (5 years 10 months 2 weeks 5 days 21 hours ago) and read 1625 times:



Quoting Smcmac32msn (Reply 4):
Can you inform us about Baldwin/Castle?

www.constitutionparty.com

Basically they have a lot of overlap with libertarian viewpoints, but with a stronger Originalist slant. They want to abolish a number of federal agencies, such as the Department of Education and the Department of Energy. They call several recent conflicts "unconstitutional wars", and generally are mildly isolationist. They call for the withdrawal of the US from any treaty or organization which is not beneficial to the US, and favor private charity over government welfare.

If you like Barr, you might like Baldwin, too.



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User currently offlineJakeOrion From United States of America, joined Oct 2005, 1253 posts, RR: 2
Reply 9, posted (5 years 10 months 2 weeks 5 days 20 hours ago) and read 1616 times:

Oh thank god some netters are on the same page as me. Even though I'm a Republican, I'm voting for Barr all the way. Both main party canidates are knuckle heads and have yet to address any issues in their speeches. Plus, both voting for that bail-out bill just really drove the nail in the coffin.


Every problem has a simple solution; finding the simple solution is the difficult problem.
User currently offlineSmcmac32msn From United States of America, joined May 2004, 2211 posts, RR: 4
Reply 10, posted (5 years 10 months 2 weeks 5 days 20 hours ago) and read 1613 times:



Quoting JakeOrion (Reply 9):
Plus, both voting for that bail-out bill just really drove the nail in the coffin.

Oh my god, if I had 2 hours, I'd just go off on this whole thing. Simply put, what the hell happened to capitalism? Ya know, if a company does bad business, they shrivel up, die, and another company comes in to replace them. Where are the FDIC and NCUA in this???



Hey Obama, keep the change! I want my dollar back.
User currently offlineJakeOrion From United States of America, joined Oct 2005, 1253 posts, RR: 2
Reply 11, posted (5 years 10 months 2 weeks 5 days 20 hours ago) and read 1604 times:



Quoting Smcmac32msn (Reply 10):
Where are the FDIC and NCUA in this???

Paid off or busy enjoying the $20,000+ resorts the CEO's went to after the bill passed. But we are getting off topic on this so best to drop it.



Every problem has a simple solution; finding the simple solution is the difficult problem.
User currently offlineSmcmac32msn From United States of America, joined May 2004, 2211 posts, RR: 4
Reply 12, posted (5 years 10 months 2 weeks 5 days 20 hours ago) and read 1600 times:



Quoting JakeOrion (Reply 11):
But we are getting off topic on this so best to drop it.

Thank you.  bigthumbsup 



Hey Obama, keep the change! I want my dollar back.
User currently offlineSmcmac32msn From United States of America, joined May 2004, 2211 posts, RR: 4
Reply 13, posted (5 years 10 months 2 weeks 5 days 20 hours ago) and read 1587 times:

One thing I do want to bring up is something about the election. Is it me, or do the Republicans know they are way behind in the polls so they are lying and cheating to try to keep people from voting. Some of the rumors I've heard are like the ones in Virginia that there will be 2 elections "Republicans on Tuesday, Democrats on Wednesday". Obviously this is a slant to try to win Virginia by not having any democrats vote. Are the Republicans (not so much McCain, but the GOP workers) that desperate for votes that they will comprimise an entire election to have their party win?


Hey Obama, keep the change! I want my dollar back.
User currently offlineSlider From United States of America, joined Feb 2004, 6816 posts, RR: 34
Reply 14, posted (5 years 10 months 2 weeks 5 days 19 hours ago) and read 1573 times:



Quoting Lowrider (Reply 3):
How about Baldwin/Castle from the Constitution Party?



Quoting DLPMMM (Reply 5):
I have been a Libertarian for almost 30 years (Ed Clark ring a bell?), but I can't pull for Barr.

I am so happy to commiserate with fellow independents, notably the Libertarians.

There is a clamoring, a hunger, a real true yearning among so many Americans who are real patriots, Constitutionalists and individuals. There is that groundswell of the silent majority like Goldwater once spoke of, and they see a crisis in this nation no matter who the winner is of two bad choices. Although I personally believe that the ‘lesser of two evils’ construct is BS and we should vote our conscience no matter what and not compromise or accept evil in the first place, there is one that is more on the edge this cycle. But with that said, isn’t that MORE reason to vote your conscience?

The media has been part of the problem, so clearly to me. Voting is one small way to set that tent stake in the ground and draw a line in the sand. We need more outspoken patriots like Ron Paul who isn’t afraid to speak the truth.

For a long time, I’ve been a recovering Republican and find myself more closely aligned with both the LP and Constitution Party. It troubles me greatly that the LP is America’s largest third party but we still can’t get our act together and the party continues to allow itself to be hijacked by the fringe (ie: the pro-marijuana people for instance). The message gets diluted as a result of that and a lack of true cogent communications strategy.

I once bought numerous copies of Harry Browne’s landmark “What it Means to Be a Libertarian” book and have given them out often to people who are interested. I really miss Harry because he was such a dominant intellectual guy who could explain the concepts so clearly. I voted for him too. Just wish there were someone with some real charisma and draw that could change the paradigm.

It’s not going to be the new president, a new Congress, a new economic policy, or new legislation or any magic silver bullet or smoking gun that changes America.

It is us.


User currently offlineLMP737 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 15, posted (5 years 10 months 2 weeks 5 days 19 hours ago) and read 1549 times:

The problem with the Libertarian Party is that it seems to be attracting some rather unstable individuals.

http://www.barrettforcongress.us/

http://www.lp.org/states/Wisconsin


User currently offlineSmcmac32msn From United States of America, joined May 2004, 2211 posts, RR: 4
Reply 16, posted (5 years 10 months 2 weeks 5 days 19 hours ago) and read 1545 times:



Quoting LMP737 (Reply 15):
The problem with the Libertarian Party is that it seems to be attracting some rather unstable individuals.

Why don't you corroberate why they are "unstable" instead of just linking us to sites with a bunch of names. What is unstable about any of the people on the 2nd link?



Hey Obama, keep the change! I want my dollar back.
User currently offlineMadameConcorde From San Marino, joined Feb 2007, 10897 posts, RR: 37
Reply 17, posted (5 years 10 months 2 weeks 5 days 19 hours ago) and read 1539 times:

What do you call Libertarians in the U.S.? In my home country libertarian means anarchist or at least someone close enough to being an anarchist, not an ultra-liberal.


There was a better way to fly it was called Concorde
User currently offlineSmcmac32msn From United States of America, joined May 2004, 2211 posts, RR: 4
Reply 18, posted (5 years 10 months 2 weeks 5 days 18 hours ago) and read 1533 times:

Libertarian is another word for Liberty.

"In liberty and justice for all!"

"and secure the Blessings of Liberty to ourselves and our Posterity, do ordain and establish this Constitution for the United States of America."

Something this contry has gotten away from in the last 30 years or so.



Hey Obama, keep the change! I want my dollar back.
User currently offlineMadameConcorde From San Marino, joined Feb 2007, 10897 posts, RR: 37
Reply 19, posted (5 years 10 months 2 weeks 5 days 18 hours ago) and read 1528 times:



Quoting Smcmac32msn (Reply 18):

I see. Thanks for explaining. It is totally different from what we use the word for over here, nothing in common with being an anarchist.



There was a better way to fly it was called Concorde
User currently offlineLMP737 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 20, posted (5 years 10 months 2 weeks 5 days 18 hours ago) and read 1527 times:



Quoting Smcmac32msn (Reply 16):
Why don't you corroberate why they are "unstable" instead of just linking us to sites with a bunch of names. What is unstable about any of the people on the 2nd link?


The second link was to show that Kevin Barrett is an official canidate of the Libertarian Party and not someone claiming to be Libertarian. Read up on him and you will see what I mean.


User currently offlineLowrider From United States of America, joined Jun 2004, 3220 posts, RR: 10
Reply 21, posted (5 years 10 months 2 weeks 5 days 18 hours ago) and read 1526 times:



Quoting MadameConcorde (Reply 17):
What do you call Libertarians in the U.S.?

The best bumper sticker summation of Libertarian beliefs I have heard is that "The government should delivery the mail, defend the borders, pave the roads, and stay out of everything else". They are not anarchists, but believe that government should stay out of people's lives to the maximum extent possible. Government has a very small, narrowly defined role. Much like the general population, it has gotten too fat and overfed, and this is not healthy for anyone involved.



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User currently offlineSrbmod From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 22, posted (5 years 10 months 2 weeks 5 days 16 hours ago) and read 1480 times:

Add me into the list of members who voted for Bob Barr. I was already planning to vote Libertarian this election regardless of who got the Democratic or Republican nods, as none of the candidates that had a real shot at being their party's nominee really interested me. I've found myself becoming more and more in tune with what the LP stands for.

Quoting Smcmac32msn (Reply 4):
Any 3rd party canidate is welcome here. I just figured Libertarian party seemed to be the biggest 3rd party out there, so thats why I did Bob Barr's name.

They've gotten the Barr-Root slate on the ballot in 45 states (and have write in status in D.C.). The only states they're not on the ballot in are Louisiana, Maine, West Virginia, Oklahoma, and Connecticut. That's pretty damn good when you consider the mishmash of ballot access laws that make it difficult (if not close to impossible) for a third party to have a slate on the ballot.

Quoting Lowrider (Reply 8):
www.constitutionparty.com

Basically they have a lot of overlap with libertarian viewpoints, but with a stronger Originalist slant. They want to abolish a number of federal agencies, such as the Department of Education and the Department of Energy. They call several recent conflicts "unconstitutional wars", and generally are mildly isolationist. They call for the withdrawal of the US from any treaty or organization which is not beneficial to the US, and favor private charity over government welfare.

If you like Barr, you might like Baldwin, too.

Too right wing for my tastes. They make McCain look like a left winger. While they do have some libertarian ideals in their platform, they've also got a lot of Christian Conservative ideals as well (That definitely contradicts the aspects of libertarianism as well as what the Founding Fathers believed in and wanted for the nation.).


User currently offlineLMP737 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 23, posted (5 years 10 months 2 weeks 5 days 16 hours ago) and read 1465 times:



Quoting MadameConcorde (Reply 6):
but I also mentioned the other Third Party candidates such as Ron Paul

Ron Paul is not a third party canidate. He ran for the Republican nomination and lost, lost badly.


User currently offlineSrbmod From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 24, posted (5 years 10 months 2 weeks 5 days 16 hours ago) and read 1451 times:



Quoting LMP737 (Reply 23):

There was a group of supporters that were trying to get him to seek the LP nomination, but he was more focused on winning the Republican primary for his Congressional district. Heck, even former Democratic presidential candidate Mike Gravel made a bid for the LP nomination.


25 NASCARAirforce : I voted for Bob Barr also. I don't trust McCain or Obama. As a matter of fact in my whole voting life I have always voted for a 3rd party candidate st
26 Flyf15 : We really need another choice and every vote for a 3rd party is one step closer towards getting one. Maybe not this time or next time, but eventually.
27 StuckInCA : I'd love to have a third (or more) party somehow more "officially" involved. I don't think that voting for someone other than a Democrat or Republican
28 Lowrider : Look at his history. He is. He has only recently embraced the right wing because he can't win without them. Not necessarily, but I fear that debate w
29 Dc863 : I voted for Barr myself. I disliked both McCain and Obama.
30 AvObserver : I wanted to vote for Baldwin, despite his Christian right leanings I don't agree with because he's strong against illegal immigration which I feel wil
31 Smcmac32msn : Why do we have to fall in line with Democrats or Republicans? I'd prefer to have my own line of thought and processes, thank you very much. I do see
32 MadameConcorde : Oh well, one more proof that a good majority of people are sheep and they beliieve everything they are told!! Now this time again it's so obvious!! I
33 WN700Driver : Though I could have tolerated McCain & Palin (Who btw is not nearly as fringy as the DNC owned media would have us believe...), I had to vote my consc
34 Smcmac32msn : The nice thing is, 3rd party canidates put all the info they want you to know on their website. They don't go around bashing other canidates, and bes
35 Post contains links Slider : Hooray for Dean Barkley! He garnered 15% of the US Senate vote in Minnesota and now the Coleman-Franken race is TIED. http://www.startribune.com/polit
36 NASCARAirforce : I am very conservative on things when it comes to fiscal policies and finance, but I am very liberal when it comes to stuff involving my personal soci
37 ThePRGuy : You have pretty bizarre ways of thinking to be honest, especially considering you live in monaco?! A vote for a independent is like not bothering to
38 StuckInCA : You don't. But in this presidential election, like most, a vote for anyone other than Democrat or Republican is as useful as not voting. Perhaps you
39 Post contains links Slider : http://www.reason.com/news/show/129858.html A look inside the Barr campaign...quite illuminating and some very candid thoughts. This is where the lemm
40 Aaron747 : Absolutely. I'd love to see some nationwide numbers on the total independent vote. Those of us who voted for neither candidate seem to be way ahead o
41 Post contains images Srbmod : Remember, at one time, the Republican Party was a third party. It rose to power only as the result of the Whig Party splitting apart (Some members fo
42 Aaron747 : An instant runoff system in all open primaries would certainly change the landscape considerably.
43 Post contains links Smcmac32msn : Here it is: Ralph Nader 659,943 Bob Barr 490,295 Chuck Baldwin 175,560 Cynthia McKinney 143,462 Alan Keyes 35,108 Ron Paul 19,582 Gloria LaRiva 7,578
44 Slider : Great point—you’re right. And when the Republican Party first met in that little schoolhouse in Ripon, WI, they had the added challenge of height
45 Jaws707 : You probably wouldn't be able to combine all of them because their views are different and people support them for different reasons, but might be ab
46 Srbmod : In some cases, it was used to create a one party government at the State level. In the State of Georgia, the Democratic Party controlled all aspects
47 Smcmac32msn : Oh my, this is turning into a great history lesson from all of you. This is amazing reading.
48 Slider : Indeed! Thanks Srb--I wasn't aware of that from GA....good stuff to know. I think I agree with you that starting at the bottom is key. I remember whe
49 Srbmod : It's those sorts of campaigns that got the LP ballot access to all statewide elected offices as well as the US Senate in Georgia. They really need to
50 StuckInCA : I was only sharing my opinion. No need to call me a lemming or a hack. I made a vote that, by my logic, could have affected the outcome of the electi
51 Smcmac32msn : Think how many of us independents McCain could have won over in states where people like Barr and Nader got 30000-40000 votes each, somewhere along t
52 Allstarflyer : Someday, it will - but it needs to start at the local levels. Fine platform, but they need to endorse someone who has a name for themselves, even if
53 PHLBOS : The key is start early, as opposed to a post-primary start (what John Anderson did in 1980 after losing the GOP primary to Reagan). IMHO, 3rd party c
54 Gunsontheroof : Libertarianism in the U.S. seems to share many of the central tenants of anarchism. The critical difference is that American Libertarians seem to sta
55 Post contains links Slider : You are correct, sir, and I am sorry for that shot—it was tacky and doesn’t reflect well on my argument. I hope you can understand my heightened
56 Seb146 : IIRC, on our ballots in Oregon, we had at least 6 people running for president. Reading the paper yesterday, I saw no less than 12 people recieving vo
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