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High Speed Rail Win In California - America's 1st!  
User currently offlineAaron747 From Japan, joined Aug 2003, 8289 posts, RR: 26
Posted (6 years 1 month 2 weeks 2 days 20 hours ago) and read 7409 times:

America's first dedicated high speed rail line has been approved by voters in California.

Prop 1A passed by a fairly narrow margin, but with bipartisan support and opposition mostly confined to environmental groups, the airlines, and rural voters weary of the state's relatively poor record on public works cost overruns, it is a considerable victory given the controversial nature of the proposal.

Prop 1A establishes the first $10 billion bond for public financing.

This is the proposed system in its current incarnation:

http://www.sfcityscape.com/maps/graphics/california_high_speed_rail.gif

It's amazing anything like this can get done given the current level of environmental insanity in Californian regulation, but with the current governor's leadership and a smart approach to outreach in all involved communities, I believe this project can be successfully completed.



[Edited 2008-11-05 17:10:50]


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User currently offlineCharles79 From Puerto Rico, joined Mar 2007, 1331 posts, RR: 6
Reply 1, posted (6 years 1 month 2 weeks 2 days 20 hours ago) and read 7395 times:

Hopefully this is the first of many to come. Having lived in Los Angeles for the past 4 years I always wondered why there were no high-speed rails between LA and Frisco or LA and Vegas, two heavily transited routes. There's plenty of potential here, just hope that they don't miss the opportunity.

User currently offlineSan747 From United States of America, joined Dec 2004, 4966 posts, RR: 12
Reply 2, posted (6 years 1 month 2 weeks 2 days 19 hours ago) and read 7331 times:

This looks fantastic, especially the route map. This benefits not just those going between SF and LA, but if I wanted to go say from Temecula to ONT or LAX, I could take this train and save a lot of time!

I love flying, but I'll take a high-speed train on a short enough trip!  Smile



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User currently offlineDfwRevolution From United States of America, joined Jan 2010, 1001 posts, RR: 51
Reply 3, posted (6 years 1 month 2 weeks 2 days 19 hours ago) and read 7326 times:

Wow, I'm doubly, pleasantly surprised by California's sensibility with voter propositions this year  wideeyed 

User currently offlineGlid4500 From United States of America, joined Sep 2005, 587 posts, RR: 7
Reply 4, posted (6 years 1 month 2 weeks 2 days 19 hours ago) and read 7317 times:

Im excited that Prop 1A passed. Lookin forward to the opening day, whenever that will be. A 2 hour journey from Northern CA to LA is pretty good. If High speed rail works in Japan, France, and other countries, then it can work here in the US.


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User currently offlineAaron747 From Japan, joined Aug 2003, 8289 posts, RR: 26
Reply 5, posted (6 years 1 month 2 weeks 2 days 19 hours ago) and read 7307 times:



Quoting Glid4500 (Reply 4):
If High speed rail works in Japan

Japanese high speed rail has never had a single passenger fatality and as of first quarter this year has had a grand total of only 1,134 operational delays in over 15,000 days of service since 1964. An incredible record by any standard.



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User currently offlineLowrider From United States of America, joined Jun 2004, 3220 posts, RR: 10
Reply 6, posted (6 years 1 month 2 weeks 2 days 19 hours ago) and read 7306 times:

Will it be state operated or contracted out?


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User currently offlineSkyyKat From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 7, posted (6 years 1 month 2 weeks 2 days 19 hours ago) and read 7304 times:

Good news.... What are the environmental impacts though? I would imagine that this would be a much cleaner form of transport than busses, cars or airplanes... What are the environmentalists using as a deterrent here?

User currently offlineLASOctoberB6 From Japan, joined Nov 2006, 2380 posts, RR: 1
Reply 8, posted (6 years 1 month 2 weeks 2 days 19 hours ago) and read 7294 times:

Now when will that high speed train connect Las Vegas to CA?


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User currently offlineDfwrevolution From United States of America, joined Jan 2010, 1001 posts, RR: 51
Reply 9, posted (6 years 1 month 2 weeks 2 days 19 hours ago) and read 7283 times:



Quoting Glid4500 (Reply 4):
If High speed rail works in Japan, France, and other countries, then it can work here in the US.

Well let's not forget that Japan and France both sport a population density in excess of the most densely populated U.S. corridors. Japan is a bit smaller than California but has more than triple the population. While France is a larger in both area and population, it's density is ultimately about 25% higher than California's.

High-speed rail is very good at moving lots of people between fixed points within regional distances, but that's about it. The freight opportunities are far more limited than with highways and airports. In a nation like the U.S. that is proportionately less dense and proportionately more economically active than France or Japan, it's no wonder that highways and airports have been the preferred option for public investment. It's not just a matter of us loving cars because the same can be said for Asians and Europeans.

It will probably be another decade or two before the U.S. population (along certain corridors other than New England) reaches the "critical mass" necessary for HSR to be a success. Since it takes about that long to get a major public works program into service, I applaud California for being on the cutting edge.


User currently offlineBA From United States of America, joined May 2000, 11154 posts, RR: 59
Reply 10, posted (6 years 1 month 2 weeks 2 days 19 hours ago) and read 7279 times:

Wow, congratulations to California! As a high-speed rail and public transit advocate, I'm really thrilled to hear this and I'm sure my relatives in So Cal are happy too.


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User currently offlineFlyMIA From United States of America, joined Jun 2001, 7279 posts, RR: 6
Reply 11, posted (6 years 1 month 2 weeks 2 days 19 hours ago) and read 7280 times:

WOW! Great news for California. Hopefully Florida can see something like this one day but i doubt it. A MIA-FLL-PBI-MCO-DAB-TPA-GVN-JAX-TLH type of thing.


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User currently offlineTravelin man From United States of America, joined Mar 2000, 3556 posts, RR: 0
Reply 12, posted (6 years 1 month 2 weeks 2 days 18 hours ago) and read 7241 times:

I'm also happy LA County passed a half cent sales tax for more transit projects (subways, light rail, freeway expansion, etc.). I'm pleasantly surprised it was passed by the required 2/3 majority in this economic environment, but at the end of the day the traffic is just SOOOO bad here, people finally had enough.

User currently offlineGlid4500 From United States of America, joined Sep 2005, 587 posts, RR: 7
Reply 13, posted (6 years 1 month 2 weeks 2 days 18 hours ago) and read 7219 times:



Quoting LASOctoberB6 (Reply 8):
Now when will that high speed train connect Las Vegas to CA?

Date is undetermined, as so the operator. Looks like theres 2 proposals

-CA-NV Interstate Maglev ( Las Vegas-Barstow-Anaheim )
-Desert Xpress operating from Victorville-Las Vegas with a seperate rail connection from Victorville to the Los Angeles area

Quoting Dfwrevolution (Reply 9):
Well let's not forget that Japan and France both sport a population density in excess of the most densely populated U.S. corridors.

That maybe so...but as u may know, the Amtrak Acela Express and Northeast Corridor trains ( Boston-NYP-Washington DC ) is a perfect example of HSR in the US. Its been sucessful for quite some time. The Amtrak California Trains ( Pacific Surfliner, San Joaquin, and Capital Corridor Trains ), have seen almost a 16% of ridership this year. The original plan was to have this proposed CA HSR to run along the I-5 corridor.

Quoting SkyyKat (Reply 7):
What are the environmental impacts though?

http://www.cahighspeedrail.ca.gov/faqs/environment.htm



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User currently offlinePanAm330 From United States of America, joined Mar 2004, 2693 posts, RR: 9
Reply 14, posted (6 years 1 month 2 weeks 2 days 18 hours ago) and read 7219 times:

Wow. I'm incredibly surprised. The time/hassle saved going from SF to LA will be incredible versus a car. Of course, it won't be nearly as scenic as the PCH, but it's worth it. Even to take the high speed rail over a plane could have its advantages. Probably shorter overall too, when taking check-in, security, possible delays, etc. into account. At least they passed a good proposition, unlike the other notable one which shouldn't have been. Bravo!

User currently offlineKFLLCFII From United States of America, joined Sep 2004, 3309 posts, RR: 30
Reply 15, posted (6 years 1 month 2 weeks 2 days 18 hours ago) and read 7198 times:



Quoting FlyMIA (Reply 11):
WOW! Great news for California. Hopefully Florida can see something like this one day but i doubt it. A MIA-FLL-PBI-MCO-DAB-TPA-GVN-JAX-TLH type of thing.

Not without an approval to modify the Urban Development Boundary Line and decades of environmentalist legal battles. Be sure it won't happen in our lifetimes. I am.



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User currently offlineNorCal From United States of America, joined Mar 2005, 2459 posts, RR: 5
Reply 16, posted (6 years 1 month 2 weeks 2 days 18 hours ago) and read 7197 times:

This is definitely a good thing for my home state, but I must admit that as an airline pilot I was hoping this wouldn't pass....

I can't be too upset though because this will benefit a lot of people, I just hope it doesn't kill off my industry in the state. If it does destroy California aviation then I'll just have to look into getting a job as a train engineer. The railroads probably have better pay and work rules anyways. Do you need type ratings for high speed trains?


User currently offlineGlid4500 From United States of America, joined Sep 2005, 587 posts, RR: 7
Reply 17, posted (6 years 1 month 2 weeks 2 days 18 hours ago) and read 7191 times:

Quoting Travelin man (Reply 12):
I'm also happy LA County passed a half cent sales tax for more transit projects (subways, light rail, freeway expansion, etc.). I'm pleasantly surprised it was passed by the required 2/3 majority in this economic environment, but at the end of the day the traffic is just SOOOO bad here, people finally had enough

That itself is great news for Angelinos like myself...although I do have a car, i take public transportation when Im not working.

Measure M has worked in nearby Orange County for almost 20 years ( since 1990 ). The half-cent sales tax was used wisely to help widen SR22 ( Garden Grove Freeway ), especially the Orange Crush where the I-5, SR22, & SR57 meets. Its also improved bus service in the OC that has little or no service in the past. Its also helped fixed up potholes & widen streets, repave roads, and add additional weekday, and new weekend + holiday service on the Metrolink Orange County Lines, not to mention the construction of new Metrolink Stations in the OC ( Buena Park just opened this year, and Placentia Station is being built ). That measure is up for renewal in 2011 and has seen near 4 billion dollars in transportation improvements.

[Edited 2008-11-05 20:00:17]


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User currently offlineDiamondFlyer From United States of America, joined Oct 2008, 1630 posts, RR: 3
Reply 18, posted (6 years 1 month 2 weeks 2 days 18 hours ago) and read 7184 times:



Quoting FlyMIA (Reply 11):
WOW! Great news for California. Hopefully Florida can see something like this one day but i doubt it. A MIA-FLL-PBI-MCO-DAB-TPA-GVN-JAX-TLH type of thing.

It was tried and passed a referendum back in 2000. However, the same referendum was repealed in 2004. However, the inital plan was a short line, up the I-4 corridor from Tampa to Orlando. I believe they had future plans to expand more, but that didn't happen. They had a website, but it appears to be down right now. For some basic background the best I can do for you is the dreaded wikipedia. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Florida_High_Speed_Rail

-DiamondFlyer


User currently offlineStasisLAX From United States of America, joined Jul 2007, 3287 posts, RR: 6
Reply 19, posted (6 years 1 month 2 weeks 2 days 17 hours ago) and read 7177 times:

Proposition 1A is a complete waste of California taxpayer's monies. The proponets of this measure provided the public with bad information, stating that the cost of fares would be $50 for the 2 1/2 hour trip from L.A. to San Francisco, when numerous transportation analysts/engineers have stated the fare would need to be at least $175 and the trip would be 3.5 hours in duration. Supporters of Prop 1A also claim a potential ridership of 100 million people, yet the popular AMTRAK route (the Northeast Corridor route Washington-Philadelphia -New York-Providence-Boston) traveled by high-speed Metroliner and Acela trains get fewer than 3 million passengers in a much bigger, more populous market. AMTRAK's total ridership last year was 25.8 million passengers - and that was a all time record for AMTRAK, by the way. So where the hell are the supporters of Prop 1A getting the insane 100 million passenger figure from?

Nothing about this plan makes ANY economic sense except to the promoters, many of whom will profit from building it - after California taxpayers cough up the billions of dollars to build it.

The monies should have be spent to provide updated/enhanced municipal surface transportation and to support regional light rail projects that provide service to the citizens that most need public transportation, and not a luxury long-distance bullet train that will only be used by the most affluent Californians.   

[Edited 2008-11-05 20:09:30]


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User currently offlineTUNisia From United States of America, joined Aug 2004, 1845 posts, RR: 5
Reply 20, posted (6 years 1 month 2 weeks 2 days 17 hours ago) and read 7146 times:

The US is finally waking up to the face that rail is the logical way to go for the future (convenience and environmental reasons).I feel we need more and more of these high-speed corridors across the US and long-distance high-speed rail lines. Imagine being able to board a high-speed Amtrak train (complete with hot meals, beds, nice seats, lounge, no turbulence, no TSA, etc...) and go from the east coast to the west coast in under 12 or so hours!


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User currently offlineMaverickM11 From United States of America, joined Apr 2000, 17824 posts, RR: 46
Reply 21, posted (6 years 1 month 2 weeks 2 days 17 hours ago) and read 7137 times:



Quoting FlyMIA (Reply 11):
A MIA-FLL-PBI-MCO-DAB-TPA-GVN-JAX-TLH type of thing.

Get on Trirail!

Quoting StasisLAX (Reply 19):
Proposition 1A is a complete waste of California taxpayer's monies.

Sure sounds like it.... Where is that LA subway at these days?



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User currently offlineSteeler83 From United States of America, joined Feb 2006, 9268 posts, RR: 21
Reply 22, posted (6 years 1 month 2 weeks 2 days 17 hours ago) and read 7120 times:

Yes!!! Another step in the right direction for rail!! Now, we need the Ohio Hub to come together, and for someone to actually turn the entire Keystone Corridor into a HSR corridor, providing a HSR network from the Northeast and Midatlantic all the way out to Chicago and other parts of the Midwest...

I heard that the 2 finalists for the MAGLEV project were the Pittsburgh one as well as Vegas. I wonder if there's anything new on that...



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User currently offlineSuperfly From Thailand, joined May 2000, 40070 posts, RR: 74
Reply 23, posted (6 years 1 month 2 weeks 2 days 17 hours ago) and read 7120 times:

Glad it passed and I hope this becomes a reality.
I voted yes on prop 1A.

Glad to see this rail network actually link to important points of interest that generate lots of foot traffic.
Who in their right mind thought of building a multi-million dollar rail network to Daly City instead of SFSU/Stonestown, Fremont instead of San Jose, El Segundo instead of LAX.  confused 



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User currently offlineWunalaYann From Australia, joined Mar 2005, 2839 posts, RR: 25
Reply 24, posted (6 years 1 month 2 weeks 2 days 17 hours ago) and read 7097 times:



Quoting NorCal (Reply 16):
This is definitely a good thing for my home state, but I must admit that as an airline pilot I was hoping this wouldn't pass....

Rest assured that the timeframes involved will give you and your industry plenty of time to turn around and re-focus on new/underserved routes.

Meanwhile, I am on  cloudnine .


25 RwSEA : This is excellent news and I hope it succeeds! There's so many corridors in the US where we need better rail. Flying hundreds of planes daily between
26 57AZ : No. However, you do have to be trained to operate different locomotive series. Unlike airplanes, locomotives are matched to the train weight and leng
27 Travelin man : Actually it is not out of the way for the rail routes. Current rail routes go through Palmdale because the I-5 corridor through the Tehachapis is too
28 DfwRevolution : A massively expensive government service with no practical value. It just might work. In the next quarter/half century, HSR will make sense in a numb
29 PSA727 : I really don't see any economical (environmental, yes) benefit from this project. Unlike most Europeans in high-density areas, Californians have cars
30 WunalaYann : Most Europeans in high-density areas have cars. Ditto for Japanese.
31 PSA727 : You're saying that in cities like London, Paris, and Tokyo the car ownership rate is above the 50% population level?
32 LHboyatDTW : So true. I am also amazed as, despite having 2/3 of my family live in SoCal, I always had this vision of California being this tree hugging sort of s
33 Vikkyvik : Now THAT would be awesome. Yep...I definitely have my eye on the supposed 27 minute ride from Union Station to ONT, as I have relatives in Fontana.
34 Post contains links WunalaYann : In Paris the rate was 46% of households in 2004, I'll give you this one. Now look at the link below. Remember, they are "per 1000 people", which incl
35 DocLightning : The average delay of all Shinkansen since inception in 1964 is 4 seconds. That includes earthquakes and volcanic eruptions. And Aaron, your numbers a
36 Aaron747 : A similar system to what is used in Japan could easily be introduced. Most Japanese employers reimburse their staff for using shinkansen because its
37 Centrair : I love how on the website they show two different types of trains. One is a TGV and the other is a Shinkansen N700. What are they going to use? In vid
38 TGV : As I worked on this project in 97-98 I can tell you that the initial route was Tampa – Lakeland - Orlando Attractions - Orlando Airport - West Palm
39 Af773atmsp : I'm glad the U.S. is finally starting to focus on rail travel. Minnesota is getting its first commuter rail line. I hope someday some of the major Mid
40 WunalaYann : Well, if you consider the TGV's recent 574.7 km/h record, there will soon be no difference between an airline and a rail line... Well done California
41 Post contains links DocLightning : TGV can't keep that sort of speed up, though. It can only be done on certain sections of track and it requires too much energy to maintain that sort
42 Zkpilot : Excellent news! One thing I'd love to see is for the Purple Metro line to be extended out to the coast then possibly turn South although there is now
43 Columba : Great news, the railway was the means of transportation that made America great in the first place it is good that America rediscovers it, as it will
44 Aaron747 : I'm pulling for a Japanese model with modified interiors. Shinkansen trains are by far the easiest to maintain - the current JR500, N500 and N700 ser
45 Keesje : Congratulation. A future proof investment. In Europe high speed train stop under the major airport hubs. AMS, CDG, FRA and regional trains stop at alm
46 Jaws707 : Yes!!! Another step in the right direction for rail!! Now, we need the Ohio Hub to come together, and for someone to actually turn the entire Keystone
47 STT757 : Projects like this should be the cornerstone of a economic stimulus, make substantive investments in our infrastructure and put people to work.
48 Post contains links JakeOrion : Chances are it will probably be the Acela Express that they currently use on the east coast. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Acela However, the Sprinter
49 RwSEA : Absolutely agreed. Rather than pandering to voters with $600 "stimulus checks), if all that money were dumped into infrastructure we would have creat
50 DocLightning : Yeah, that's one thing I don't like about this. It would have a stop at SFO, but not at LAX. Not sure about SAN, but SAN is so close to city center a
51 Post contains links GrahamHill : Congratulations to California!! High speed train is the best for short distances (like LA - San Francisco). True, and they used upgraded wheels and en
52 FlybaurLAX : I rode the LA subway from North Hollywood to Wilshire/Vermont stop every day for 3 years for high school (the first year I carpooled with 3 other peo
53 JakeOrion : Might have to given the terrain. Face it, CA is not very train friendly, and given the additional costs of having to blast/dig/whatever, it could be
54 YooYoo : Looks really good to me. I wish we could do something like this where i am, say Detroit to Toronto to Montreal
55 OzGlobal : It's a pretty good success WITHOUT even being a real HSR, running a lot slower and on classic, not purpose built HS lines. Just image if it were all
56 WunalaYann : I was only kidding, dude. To sustain the record run, engineers increased voltage to over 30 kV, which is 5 kV higher than the train's operating volta
57 JoFMO : You need a certain runtime to get high yield passengers from the airlines. This time is usually considered as under 3 hours. So without running at 22
58 Post contains links Radarbeam : Congratulation to our friends from California! I've ride on the TGV twice a year and it's a pure pleasure. With a carefully planned network this will
59 Steeler83 : Oh I EMPHATICALLY agree! This is what we should be spending hundreds of billions of dollars on. This will improve downtowns, revitalizing them once a
60 DocLightning : Ever been down the Central Valley? It's a huge, long, flat expanse. There will only be a few slow spots through the mountains at the south end of the
61 MD11Engineer : So is the southern half of Germany (loads of hills and mountain ranges) or Spain. Tunneling today is much cheaper using tunnel drills than it was yea
62 Centrair : I thought the Koreans, Spaniards and Bombardier all use the Althom base (TGV) China has bought German and Japanese as well as developed their own (co
63 JoFMO : Korean have bought the TGV for their first Line. But they are developing a high speed tarin on their own. The next generation of high speed trains wi
64 Doona : Don't the Japanese also have (at least from a European point of view) ridiculously low thresholds for what constitutes a delay? Like 5 mins behind or
65 Victrola : I think the Purple Line should have been the first line built. Anyone who lives in Los Angeles knows that Wilshire Boulevard can be looked upon as th
66 Post contains links JakeOrion : Not arguing that. But is it still economical for three times the cost to initially build it? I emphasized your post to point out key arguments. First
67 Captaink : Isn't the Acela Express on the NE corridor, high speed rail?
68 StasisLAX : Yes, Acela covers the Boston-New York - Philadelphia-Washington Northeast Corridor route.
69 Captaink : So the California rail would be the 2nd High-Speed. HAHA
70 Cadet57 : Not to nitpick but the metroliner train sets were withdrawn years ago. They were then replaced with standard AEM-7 and HHP-8 locomotives pulling the
71 StasisLAX : Thanks for the correction.I rode a Metroliner-style passenger car from Philadelphia to Paoli several months ago, but you're correct. Metroliner brand
72 WunalaYann : By European standards, "high speed rail" starts beyond 220 km/h (137 mph) because this is the speed above which train drivers require in-cabin electr
73 Post contains images Cadet57 : Why? The Acela travels at 125 which is only 12mph less than what you consider high speed and other standard trains at about 100. Well most amtrak coa
74 JoFMO : They don't have to. The Californian network is planned total separate from the interstate freight network. The will share tracks with Caltrain in the
75 Captaink : From Wiki So I guess it is a true High-Speed rail due to limitations, but on some parts of the track it can operate like one. So the first TRUE high s
76 WunalaYann : As I said, above 220 km/h you need a completely different infrastructure and signalling system. Safety comes first. For what it is worth, "high speed
77 Aaron747 : From what I understand, "late" here is 1 minute behind schedule or more. Generally, shinkansen is never late unless there's a suicide, earthquake or
78 Jaws707 : A little off topic, but since we're talking about Acela I thought I would ask if Amtrak is working on making the system faster such as improving track
79 Centrair : If California went for the Shinkansen (Tokaido) they would be laying wider lines than what is done in Europe and the US. The Shinkansen trains a wide
80 Francoflier : I think it's a great achievement for CA. However, I think too many stops have been planned between the major stations. There are 11 intermediary stat
81 Post contains links WunalaYann : Second that 100%. Absolutely amazing, and that's from a French railway fan. My understanding is that Shinkansen tracks are actually standard UIC 1.43
82 Aaron747 : No matter how long I've been here, it's simply stunning. I caught this from the same wiki site: In 2003, JR Central reported that the Shinkansen's av
83 HowSwedeitis : Good for California. Sanfran-LA in just over 2 hours?!?! That's going to be a cool trip! -HSII
84 Post contains links L410Turbolet : The picture in the opening post suggests it will be Alstom's Pendolino, but maybe they used that just for illustration purposes. http://gas2.org/file
85 JoFMO : 2:38
86 Cadet57 : So by your own post, you say the acela hits a top speed of 150mph which according to you meets the criteria of high speed, but apparently because it
87 Post contains images Francoflier : I thinks it's just a picture of Alstom's latest TGV with a custom paintscheme. BTW, is that an official pic? It looks like a repaint of a simrail sof
88 JoFMO : It hits it on 2 sectioned with a combined length of 29km. So it seems quite fair to reckon you will run less than 10 minutes of your whole 3:30hour j
89 Cadet57 : Its not. But the trains run much faster than 74mph as you think they do. I was on a standard amtrak train and was passed twice by a north and southbo
90 FruteBrute : Frankly, I've never once seen this mentioned anywhere being an issue about Acela. What has been an issue was/is the accelerated wear and tear on the
91 Beaucaire : In all honesty - the Alstom TGV's are more reliable than the German High Speed Trains.. I am German but have to admit that the French TGV trains are
92 Aaron747 : Based on articles I've seen locally, the most limiting issue is tunnel boom. They have tried sound suppression technologies for the last 25 years and
93 JoFMO : I am not an expert on North American railways. What I describe is just a general physical function. So I don't know if it is just not widely reported
94 WunalaYann : Considering most heavily-travelled rail infrastructures (urban and inter-urban) get entirely "revitalised" (read: completely re-done sleepers, rails
95 FruteBrute : Interesting. Perhaps they have just assumed or built in higher wear and tear allowances as matter of course, so we don't really hear of it as an issu
96 MaidensGator : It may be the first to be built, but as others have mentioned, Florida passed the same thing eight years ago... Which Florida found out after it was
97 WunalaYann : I disagree. Staunchly. It has to do with the impossibility to reconcile economic life of assets counted in decades with quarterly financial reports.
98 DfwRevolution : If it takes decades (plural) to recuperate the initial investment, the public probably isn't getting much benefit from a heavily subsidized service.
99 WunalaYann : The service itself probably will not be subsidised. In the case of the TGV, virtually no service is subsidised. What does often require a lot of tax
100 DocLightning : The average line speed for Acela is about 86 MPH, IIRC. It is a high-speed TRAIN, but it is not a high-speed LINE. The trip on the standard train is
101 57AZ : It was, and they did. The Northeast Corridor has only been under government ownership since the failure of Penn Central. The Corridor was built and o
102 FruteBrute : Yup. Unfortunately, most of the track was laid under the mantra of "just get it built fast and cheap and then we'll come back later to upgrade it". T
103 57AZ : To say that the railroads threw down the tracks and then never bothered to upgrade their properties is an excessively unfair statement to make. The P
104 Post contains images Francoflier : The Talgo website offers technical descriptions on its 2 high speed products: the Talgo 250 and 350 (max kph rating, respectively). But whereas those
105 DocLightning : Talgo's design has a bigger problem than that. Both Alstom's and Seimens's most recent designs distribute the traction motors through the entire trai
106 Francoflier : I don't know, Talgo's always been based on a small, lightweight design. They would have to start from the ground up if they were to increase the capa
107 Virgin744 : This is the best news our transportation industry could have hoped for in California! This will be the most important Prop. on Transportation to pass
108 DocLightning : My experience from riding the AVE is that the seating density on a Talgo doesn't change over a Seimens. The inside of a Talgo AVE car is essentially
109 Post contains links and images WunalaYann : That's what a big CC-rider will do to you. And you should see what happened shortly thereafter to the overhead wire. It snapped clean off on a passen
110 FruteBrute : Now if they would just get a maglev train for the trip from Beijing to Ulaanbaatar. A buddy and I did this trip a couple of years ago one way. Very in
111 Post contains links Francoflier : You're right, it doesn't. But the cars are much shorter and I read somewhere that there are only about 25 seats per car, right? Yes, the 'broken nose
112 LH423 : The caternary lines north of New Haven are 10 years old. The problem there is the fact that the line too closely follows the Connecticut coastline an
113 DocLightning : I was referring to the NY-DC leg. Sorry. Which isn't even high-speed by European standards. Talgo calls its Talgo 250 train "High-Speed" only because
114 LH423 : Alas, 'tis true. The Northeast is just too populated to really make the changes necessary to see real, TGV-style trains possible. We missed the boat
115 DocLightning : Not by much, though. I've made the drive in 3:45. That's a 15 minute difference for less than $90 a head. I took Acela once for the hell of it. The r
116 Post contains links and images WunalaYann : Oh man. You're talking about this: Original CC 21001 bi-tension renamed 6575 after "de-bi-tensioning". Complete heartbreak. I had my parents waking m
117 57AZ : Indeed. Studies are now showing that driving while distracted is just as dangerous as driving while intoxicated. I rarely talk with passengers while
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