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NZ Election - John Key Next Pm  
User currently offlineSpinalTap From New Zealand, joined Mar 2005, 440 posts, RR: 0
Posted (5 years 8 months 2 weeks 2 days 21 hours ago) and read 1670 times:

Helen Clark (PM) has just delivered a somewhat bitter concession speech and resigned as leader of the Labour Party. The Prime Minister elect is John Key leader of the National Party.

Results:

New Government Bloc (centre-right):
National 45.5 % (59 seats)
Act 3.7 % (5 seats)
United Future 0.9 % (1 seat)
Total seats: 65 seats

Possible in New Government Bloc:
Maori Party (could be offered a cabinet seat): 2.2 % (5 Seats)

Left Wing Bloc:
Labour 33.8 % (43 seats)
Green 6.4 % (8 seats)
Progressives 0.9 % (1 seats)
Total seats: 52 seats

I voted:
Party Vote: National
Electorate Vote: Amy Adams (National)

So I am very happy!


"I get what they call a stipend, a stipend is like money but its such as small amount they don't really call it money"
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User currently offlineZKSUJ From New Zealand, joined May 2004, 7084 posts, RR: 12
Reply 1, posted (5 years 8 months 2 weeks 2 days 20 hours ago) and read 1660 times:

Me too, about time for a change of government

User currently offlineZKSUJ From New Zealand, joined May 2004, 7084 posts, RR: 12
Reply 2, posted (5 years 8 months 2 weeks 2 days 20 hours ago) and read 1659 times:

I see Helen Clark has resigned from labour as well

User currently offlineSpinalTap From New Zealand, joined Mar 2005, 440 posts, RR: 0
Reply 3, posted (5 years 8 months 2 weeks 2 days 20 hours ago) and read 1653 times:



Quoting ZKSUJ (Reply 2):
I see Helen Clark has resigned from labour as well

Helen Clark has stacked the list with those shall we say firmly to the left and there have some good right-wing Labour members that have been turfed out like Harry Duynhoven (New Plymouth) and Damien O'Connor (West-Coast). The best leader I think would be David Cunliffe, Phil Goff or perhaps even Annette King, but I am expecting someone further left like Trevor Mallard. Cullen has been is too close to Helen Clark and has been deputy leader too long to become leader in my opnion.

Quoting SpinalTap (Thread starter):
Helen Clark (PM) has just delivered a somewhat bitter concession speech

Just to qualify when I said Helen Clark's concession was bitter, quoting her:
“And I just utter one fear, and that is, that I do hope that all that we’ve worked to put in place doesn’t gone up in flames on a bonfire created by the right wing of politics”
Video

I also thought it was remarkable that she did not wish the new government well. Labour party president Mike Williams was visibly embarrassed and had to wish Key and the new government well after Helen Clark had finished her speech. She could have done to emulate the tone of John McCain's very gracious concession speech.



"I get what they call a stipend, a stipend is like money but its such as small amount they don't really call it money"
User currently offlinePacificjourney From New Zealand, joined Jul 2001, 2731 posts, RR: 8
Reply 4, posted (5 years 8 months 2 weeks 2 days 10 hours ago) and read 1617 times:

... and 5 seats for ACT, even better.

Rodney Hide as Minister of Education ?

Roger Douglas as Minister of Scaring the Shit out of People (again) !



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User currently offlineBNE From Australia, joined Mar 2000, 3173 posts, RR: 12
Reply 5, posted (5 years 8 months 2 weeks 2 days 8 hours ago) and read 1603 times:

No more Helen; and no more Winston Peters and his New Zealand first party.


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User currently offlineMariner From New Zealand, joined Nov 2001, 24995 posts, RR: 85
Reply 6, posted (5 years 8 months 2 weeks 2 days 8 hours ago) and read 1598 times:
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Hopefully, Mr. Key will keep his word and have a referendum on the wretched MMP system:

http://www.nzherald.co.nz/politics/n...cle.cfm?c_id=280&objectid=10541905

I'm all in favor of some form of proportional representation, but:

(i) the haggling for support of the small parties reminds of a Middle Eastern bazaar.

(ii) it was embarrassing to see both Key and Clark doing intellectual back-flips to retain the support of Maori.

(iii) The dominance of the Party Vote means that Whangarei is still represented by a National party hack, just as it would have been a Labour Party hack if they had won the seat.

I want to vote for someone who truly represents and will fight for my area, not just someone who parrots the party line.

mariner



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User currently offlineTG992 From New Zealand, joined Jan 2001, 2910 posts, RR: 10
Reply 7, posted (5 years 8 months 2 weeks 2 days 7 hours ago) and read 1589 times:

Claiming Clark's concession speech was 'bitter' seems to be, to put it mildly, a flight of fancy..
considering a) Key specifically mentioned how gracious she was when phoning him b) even the far-right tinfoil hat wearing nutcase Ian Wishart commended her for her performance on Election night(!).

I'm disappointed with the election night result but somewhat reassured by the fact that the National party (at least at first glance) doesn't appear to be the cruel, heartless party of the '90s and even early '00s.



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User currently offlineSpinalTap From New Zealand, joined Mar 2005, 440 posts, RR: 0
Reply 8, posted (5 years 8 months 2 weeks 2 days 4 hours ago) and read 1557 times:



Quoting TG992 (Reply 7):
Claiming Clark's concession speech was 'bitter' seems to be, to put it mildly, a flight of fancy..

Well you find me a quote from her speech that wishes the new government and John Key well. John Key was much more gracious in victory to her than she was to him in defeat.



"I get what they call a stipend, a stipend is like money but its such as small amount they don't really call it money"
User currently offlineTG992 From New Zealand, joined Jan 2001, 2910 posts, RR: 10
Reply 9, posted (5 years 8 months 2 weeks 2 days 4 hours ago) and read 1548 times:

Three quotes from her speech.

"I congratulate John Key and the National Party on the result they have achieved".

"Tonight is a night for the winners to savour".

"We are fortunate to live in a democracy where people are free to choose, and I respect the choice that has been made."



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User currently offlineSpinalTap From New Zealand, joined Mar 2005, 440 posts, RR: 0
Reply 10, posted (5 years 8 months 2 weeks 2 days 4 hours ago) and read 1544 times:



Quoting TG992 (Reply 9):
Three quotes from her speech.

"I congratulate John Key and the National Party on the result they have achieved".

"Tonight is a night for the winners to savour".

"We are fortunate to live in a democracy where people are free to choose, and I respect the choice that has been made."

And which one of those quotes wishes John Key and the new government well. Can you not see the distinction between congratulating and wishing well.



"I get what they call a stipend, a stipend is like money but its such as small amount they don't really call it money"
User currently offlineTG992 From New Zealand, joined Jan 2001, 2910 posts, RR: 10
Reply 11, posted (5 years 8 months 2 weeks 2 days 3 hours ago) and read 1535 times:

I think you're playing a silly game with semantics, to be honest.


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User currently offlineMariner From New Zealand, joined Nov 2001, 24995 posts, RR: 85
Reply 12, posted (5 years 8 months 2 weeks 2 days 3 hours ago) and read 1535 times:
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Quoting SpinalTap (Reply 10):
And which one of those quotes wishes John Key and the new government well. Can you not see the distinction between congratulating and wishing well.

I don't see "bitter" anywhere in there. I didn't see "bitter" last night, either.  confused 

mariner



aeternum nauta
User currently offlineZkpilot From New Zealand, joined Mar 2006, 4801 posts, RR: 9
Reply 13, posted (5 years 8 months 2 weeks 2 days 3 hours ago) and read 1531 times:

Nice to have a change of government... I just hope that the Nats don't let Act get away with too much and that they don't panda to the Maori party with the Maori Party's racist agenda.


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User currently offlineTG992 From New Zealand, joined Jan 2001, 2910 posts, RR: 10
Reply 14, posted (5 years 8 months 2 weeks 2 days 2 hours ago) and read 1524 times:

I don't think the Maori party are the ones demonstrating the racism here.


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User currently offlineSpinalTap From New Zealand, joined Mar 2005, 440 posts, RR: 0
Reply 15, posted (5 years 8 months 2 weeks 2 days 2 hours ago) and read 1509 times:



Quoting Zkpilot (Reply 13):
Nice to have a change of government... I just hope that the Nats don't let Act get away with too much and that they don't panda to the Maori party with the Maori Party's racist agenda.

Totally agree. I hope they get rid of those apartheid seats.



"I get what they call a stipend, a stipend is like money but its such as small amount they don't really call it money"
User currently offlinePilotdude09 From Australia, joined May 2005, 1777 posts, RR: 4
Reply 16, posted (5 years 8 months 2 weeks 1 day 21 hours ago) and read 1482 times:

John Key to me seems to be a bit of a twit, just seems a bit of a weird person to me. And Nationals Policy's don't really have distinguishable differences from Labour's policy's.

As long as they don't sell off Rail and make sure they invest in it etc, i'm happy  Smile

Helen Clark has had a pretty good run, and it was time for a change.

Though i live over here, still voted. Gave National my vote this time.



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User currently offlineKiwiandrew From New Zealand, joined Jun 2005, 8537 posts, RR: 13
Reply 17, posted (5 years 8 months 2 weeks 1 day 21 hours ago) and read 1481 times:
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I agree that it was time for a change , but it was nice the last few years here in Belgium that while Aussies in Europe were constantly being embarrassed by that idiot John Howard and feeling the need to apologise on his behalf we at least had a PM who was generally well regarded abroad even if not at home


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User currently offlineKiwiinOz From New Zealand, joined Oct 2005, 2165 posts, RR: 5
Reply 18, posted (5 years 8 months 2 weeks 1 day 6 hours ago) and read 1429 times:

I find it discriminatory that this thread has not received the same amount of attention as the Obama threads. Surely the eyes of the WORLD were cast our way??!!

User currently offlineZkpilot From New Zealand, joined Mar 2006, 4801 posts, RR: 9
Reply 19, posted (5 years 8 months 2 weeks 1 day 2 hours ago) and read 1408 times:



Quoting TG992 (Reply 14):
I don't think the Maori party are the ones demonstrating the racism here.

Yes a party created for one race only, that advocates having apartheid style Maori only seats, that has stated it advocates teen-pregnancy as a method to increase its numbers and proportion of the population... no thats not racist at all....
What you seem to mistake is that you think it is only Caucasian/White (or Pakeha if you must) that can show racism... if you prefer you can call it reverse or inverse-racism but that is what the Maori Party advocates.



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User currently offlineTG992 From New Zealand, joined Jan 2001, 2910 posts, RR: 10
Reply 20, posted (5 years 8 months 2 weeks 1 day 2 hours ago) and read 1399 times:

Yes, god forbid a minority with worse living conditions than the majority should have a voice in Parliament dedicated to their interests.


No wonder your apron keeps getting hidden!



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User currently onlineNZ107 From New Zealand, joined Jul 2005, 6405 posts, RR: 39
Reply 21, posted (5 years 8 months 2 weeks 22 hours ago) and read 1376 times:



Quoting Pacificjourney (Reply 4):
Rodney Hide as Minister of Education ?

I think he's eyeing something like a climate change role..

Quoting Zkpilot (Reply 13):
Nice to have a change of government... I just hope that the Nats don't let Act get away with too much and that they don't panda to the Maori party with the Maori Party's racist agenda.

Agree here too. Just one thing I'd like to see from Act go through - dumping of the emissions trading act. It does no good to anyone but the Greens and slows productivity and growth. I still wonder what National's stance on the Maori seats is. It looks like they'll go into a confidence and supply agreement but they wouldn't like any abolishment of those seats (or they wouldn't exist in parliament). But then in saying that the entrenchment stuff is all crap anyway because you can still abolish laws with 51% of the vote.



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User currently offlineKiwiRob From New Zealand, joined Jun 2005, 7084 posts, RR: 3
Reply 22, posted (5 years 8 months 2 weeks 20 hours ago) and read 1361 times:



Quoting SpinalTap (Reply 15):
Totally agree. I hope they get rid of those apartheid seats.

You get my full support here.

Quoting Pilotdude09 (Reply 16):
Nationals Policy's don't really have distinguishable differences from Labour's policy's.

I agree I don't think there will be that much of a change, I also hope they don't give out big tax cuts, we can't afford them.

Quoting Zkpilot (Reply 19):
that has stated it advocates teen-pregnancy as a method to increase its numbers and proportion of the population... no that's not racist at all....

That's not racist it's just plain downright stupidity, anyone who advocates teen pregancy isn't racist just an idiot.

Quoting TG992 (Reply 20):
Yes, god forbid a minority with worse living conditions than the majority should have a voice in Parliament dedicated to their interests.

There are a number of Maori who have gotten into Parliament in the general roll, the need for Maori seats is long gone, hopefully we will get the opportunity to have them removed sometime soon. If you really want separate representation then every ethnic group should have special seats, and while you are at it why not have seats for the handicapped, pensioners seats, women's seats, gay and lesbo seats.....this list could go on and on.


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