DesertJets From United States of America, joined Feb 2000, 6999 posts, RR: 27 Reply 2, posted (1 year 2 months 3 weeks 4 days 23 hours ago) and read 1171 times:
The teaser trailers aren't really giving us much. However as a loyal trek fan who will watch anything Trek I'll be there next May watching it.
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DfwRevolution From United States of America, joined Jan 2010, 39 posts, RR: 54 Reply 3, posted (1 year 2 months 3 weeks 4 days 21 hours ago) and read 1146 times:
Quoting LTU932 (Reply 1): Why the hell is Kirk riding a hoverbike? The guy is more into horses than into bikes.
.... it seems to intrique me a bit more. I just don't know if I'm going to really be into the whole story from Kirk's childhood and such. Would be more interesting if they would just start the story from when they first meet as a crew with the NCC-1701. Guess I'll just have to wait and see.
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Type-Rated From United States of America, joined Sep 1999, 2342 posts, RR: 27 Reply 9, posted (1 year 2 months 3 weeks 3 days 21 hours ago) and read 963 times:
Hmmm, didn't they do the same thing with the Star Wars movies, make the ones later down the timeline first and then went back and made "prequels"?
I always thought that the next movie would feature the Voyager crew.
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DesertJets From United States of America, joined Feb 2000, 6999 posts, RR: 27 Reply 10, posted (1 year 2 months 3 weeks 3 days 19 hours ago) and read 948 times:
Quoting Type-Rated (Reply 9): I always thought that the next movie would feature the Voyager crew.
Idk I think they beat the 24th century story to death. What new ground would a Voyager crew have? Janeway was already an admiral in Nemesis.... presumably Voyager underwent a major refit and is crewed by somebody else. The DS9 storyline was pretty much closed after Sisko went to live with the wormhole aliens. How many more times can Picard fight the Borg. Frankly the story in Nemesis was already pretty damn weak.... a race we've never scene before (the Remans) and an evil clone of Picard taking over the Romulan Empire. I still saw it in theaters but it wasn't a greatest hit by any stretch.
A properly done prequel that attempts to pay some attention to the "canon" can do well. The fourth season of Enterprise was proof of that. By the time the show actually got good and began to explore the beginnings of the Federation it was good. Hopefully JJ Abrams gets across how Kirk and Spock came to be all while having some good action elements. I got hope.
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Zkpilot From New Zealand, joined Mar 2006, 3569 posts, RR: 9 Reply 11, posted (1 year 2 months 3 weeks 3 days 18 hours ago) and read 921 times:
Quoting DesertJets (Reply 10): presumably Voyager underwent a major refit and is crewed by somebody else.
Voyage was retired and turned into a monument museum. The final two episodes of Voyager go over that.
Although since Janeway brought Voyager back about a dozen years early it is possible that the timeline was altered and it was put back into service... after all it was only 7 years old and had much of the latest tech.
LTU932 From Mexico, joined Jan 2006, 12843 posts, RR: 57 Reply 12, posted (1 year 2 months 3 weeks 3 days 16 hours ago) and read 900 times:
Quoting Zkpilot (Reply 11): Voyage was retired and turned into a monument museum. The final two episodes of Voyager go over that.
That was in the alternate timeline, when it took Voyager a total of 23 years to get back to the Alpha quadrant (as per the episode "Endgame").
Sure, Voyager may or may not be a museum, but there is the possibility (this is from one of the novels, so it's not canon) that Voyager got refit and that Chakotay may have become its commander after getting his commission back for good (remember that he only got a field commision under Janeway).
And also, if there was a Voyager film as well, don't rule out Janeway pulling another Kirk. If you've seen TMP and The Wrath of Khan, you know what I mean.
For me, if there had to be a prequel, they should have tried to include the Star Trek Enterprise crew, with maybe Kirk and Spock appearing and having flashbacks about the stories of Archer & Co. I personally didn't find that show that good, but it did become much better when they started the storyline with the virus that removed the ridges from the Klingons' head and made them look human, and then the episode "In a Mirror, Darkly". Otherwise, the next film after this one should be something of a fusion of Voyager, the Enterprise-E, and maybe even the crew of Enterprise (if you include them in a time travel plot).
Too bad Jimmy Doohan died, I would have wished that he could come back in one of those films (apart from his appearance in TNG) and, if he was caught up in a timetravel plot and sent back to the NX-01, teaching Commander Tucker a thing or two about true miracle working.
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DocLightning From United States of America, joined Nov 2005, 8099 posts, RR: 50 Reply 13, posted (1 year 2 months 3 weeks 3 days 15 hours ago) and read 891 times:
First, I discovered Star Trek at age 13 back in 1990. At that point, TNG had been out for about three years. Until the last episode aired, I was a die-hard Trekkie. I could name any episode if provided with a brief plot synopsis and vice-versa.
But I think it's time for Star Trek to go out to pasture. Part of the problem is believability. Much of the history of the Star Trek storyline has already happened in real life. We're supposed to be flying the first warp drive in less than 20 years now and I'm a bit skeptical. The real universe's timeline is getting too close to the story universe's.
I think it could go in a couple of directions. First, the Progenitors could come back and basically "adopt" the Federation, thus ending the storyline. Alternatively, the storyline could be shoved a few hundred more years into the future and a "The Generation After That One" sort of show could be started.
The current trend is to move the storylines backwards from TOS and that's just not as interesting to me. I want a real space opera. In fact, I'm CRAVING a new space opera.
Maybe we could turn Asimov's "Foundation" universe into a set of movies or a TV series. But I, for one, am sick of "cyberpunk" Sci-Fi. I want starships, galactic empires, strange and wonderful alien worlds, dogfights, handsome heroes and evil villains.
Francoflier From France, joined Oct 2001, 2022 posts, RR: 11 Reply 14, posted (1 year 2 months 3 weeks 3 days 15 hours ago) and read 886 times:
Quoting DocLightning (Reply 13): Maybe we could turn Asimov's "Foundation" universe into a set of movies or a TV series. But I, for one, am sick of "cyberpunk" Sci-Fi. I want starships, galactic empires, strange and wonderful alien worlds, dogfights, handsome heroes and evil villains.
Call me cheesy, but I want to be entertained!
I don't believe any of the greatest SF out there will ever be turned into good movies or series.
Most of the time, the plots of good SF novels are so long, complex and cover such a wide array of characters and places that only written text could ever do it justice.
While I always watch every SF movies that comes out and try to keep up with the series I'm never really satisfied by any. Movies are too short, leave out too much and focus on short actions scenes for today's badly ADD'd audiences and series focus on the human drama, soap opera side because special effects are too expensive. I tend to stick to books.
I'm in my Peter F Hamilton period now, just starting the Confederation novels...
Looks like I picked the wrong week to quit posting...
DocLightning From United States of America, joined Nov 2005, 8099 posts, RR: 50 Reply 16, posted (1 year 2 months 3 weeks 3 days 15 hours ago) and read 884 times:
Quoting Francoflier (Reply 14):
Most of the time, the plots of good SF novels are so long, complex and cover such a wide array of characters and places that only written text could ever do it justice.
OR....
...anime!
I think that anime would very nicely depict a universe such as Alastair Reynold's REVELATION SPACE universe, which is, to date, the absolutely best Sci-Fi I've ever encountered. Yes, even better than FOUNDATION.
DesertJets From United States of America, joined Feb 2000, 6999 posts, RR: 27 Reply 17, posted (1 year 2 months 3 weeks 3 days 6 hours ago) and read 812 times:
Quoting LTU932 (Reply 12): Sure, Voyager may or may not be a museum, but there is the possibility (this is from one of the novels, so it's not canon) that Voyager got refit and that Chakotay may have become its commander after getting his commission back for good (remember that he only got a field commision under Janeway).
I try and apply logical thinking to all things Trek. Which means to me that in the post-Dominion War rebuilding Star Fleet needs all the ships she can get. With Voyager being a modern and highly advanced ship, now sporting a host of technological goodies from the Delta quadrant and the future she is too valuable to keep locked up in the fleet museum. Thus she gets a refit to repair all of the damage she took over the past 7 years in deep space and her new tech gets analyzed and applied to other ships in the fleet. It isn't like Voyager was some 80 year old clapped out Excelsior class or something like that (not to knock the Excelsiors).
I want the new Trek movie to be good. I want it to be successful. But my main concern is that with a prequel all of this canon crap and fan expectations really confine what you can do with the story. Unlike Star Wars where Lucas had basically written/conceived the complete story for all 6 movies when he began. So people will bitch and moan over the movie Enterprise looking too modern, or the Klingons having or not having ridges on their foreheads.
Quoting DocLightning (Reply 13): But I think it's time for Star Trek to go out to pasture. Part of the problem is believability. Much of the history of the Star Trek storyline has already happened in real life. We're supposed to be flying the first warp drive in less than 20 years now and I'm a bit skeptical. The real universe's timeline is getting too close to the story universe's.
Part of that problem is the technology is catching up too fast to what was first portrayed in TOS 40+ years ago. Not to mention the series itself was a low-budget space western, complete with cardboard sets. The advantage of doing a post TNG/DS9/VOY series or a movie is non of that stuff is written.... short of some of the novels and fan fiction. I would agree that the franchise is played out.
The one place where I am curious to see what happens is with Star Trek Online, whenever that finally launches. With a massive user created online environment I think there is plenty of potential in the trek world.
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Petertenthije From Netherlands, joined Jul 2001, 2809 posts, RR: 17 Reply 18, posted (1 year 2 months 3 weeks 3 days 3 hours ago) and read 769 times:
Quoting DocLightning (Reply 13): But I, for one, am sick of "cyberpunk" Sci-Fi. I want starships, galactic empires, strange and wonderful alien worlds, dogfights, handsome heroes and evil villains.
Amen to that! For me it would be perfect if they brought back Babylon 5 or kick-started the cancelled Crusade series. This Star Trek movie looks to be ok though. I've been disappointed with Trek to often lately, so I'll wait for the reviews to come out. If it is any good I'll see it in the cinema, otherwise I'll wait for the download.
Tsaord From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR: Reply 20, posted (1 year 2 months 3 weeks 2 days 22 hours ago) and read 681 times:
This is going back to when Enterprise A was built and Spock and Kirk were students at the Academy. It explores their relationship coming up.
My Dominican honey Zoe Saldana is playing Uhura. And just like Nichelle Nichols, Uhura will have no meaning. She will just be answering the phone lol.
P.S I'm going to see this but I'm disappointed at the same time because I will never see the DS9 or Voyager crews in their own movies. Those were my favorite Trek series!
DocLightning From United States of America, joined Nov 2005, 8099 posts, RR: 50 Reply 21, posted (1 year 2 months 3 weeks 2 days 21 hours ago) and read 654 times:
Quoting SW733 (Reply 19): I guess it's good that the Star Trek folks now have something new to look forward to other than not getting laid...
Them's fightin' words, my friend. Besides, I probably had some more recently than you did. So NYER!
But yes, Uhura, Troi, Dax, Kira, and Seven "Resistance is Futile, you will lower your enormous boobs and surrender your weapons" of Nine were all concessions to sexually frustrated young trekkies. One of the ST:TOS costume designers once commented that the two easiest materials to work with were felt and female skin.
LTU932 From Mexico, joined Jan 2006, 12843 posts, RR: 57 Reply 22, posted (1 year 2 months 3 weeks 2 days 20 hours ago) and read 637 times:
Quoting Tsaord (Reply 20): This is going back to when Enterprise A was built and Spock and Kirk were students at the Academy.
Not quite. When Spock and Kirk were cadets at the academy, they were barely building the NCC-1701. NCC-1701A wasn't built until some time later, and even then, it is said to be actually the USS Yorktown, but with a name change to USS Enterprise IIRC.
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Tsaord From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR: Reply 23, posted (1 year 2 months 3 weeks 2 days 16 hours ago) and read 601 times:
Quoting LTU932 (Reply 22):
Not quite. When Spock and Kirk were cadets at the academy, they were barely building the NCC-1701. NCC-1701A wasn't built until some time later, and even then, it is said to be actually the USS Yorktown, but with a name change to USS Enterprise IIRC.
Really. See I always get confused with Enterprise. It was NCC--1701. So in fact Enterprise A was the second and not the first? Interesting.
I just hope the borg can make a cameo lol. I can't help myself I love them. I think I'm going to watch Voyager now. I have the first five seasons on DVD. I still want my DS9 and Voyager movie.
TOS was before my era so I think I'll never get into it. But Kirk is my man in Generations
LTU932 From Mexico, joined Jan 2006, 12843 posts, RR: 57 Reply 24, posted (1 year 2 months 3 weeks 2 days 15 hours ago) and read 594 times:
Quoting Tsaord (Reply 23): So in fact Enterprise A was the second and not the first?
Correct. When the first NCC 1701 was built, nobody thought that there would be another ship with the same registration, so when they re-named the USS Yorktown into USS Enterprise for Kirk & Co., they appended the A to the registration, and when the Excelsior Class Enterprise came along, they named it NCC-1701B, then NCC-1701C for the Ambassador Class ship, NCC-1701 for the Galaxy Class Enterprise, and finally NCC-1701E for the Sovereign Class vessel.
Quoting Tsaord (Reply 23): TOS was before my era so I think I'll never get into it.
You need to watch at least some of TOS to get to know the chemistry of the crew better, as well as Spock's epic confrontations with Dr. McCoy and Kirk's humour and skills as a womaniser.
Once you watched at least some of it, watch the trilogy! The trilogy is the best of all Star Trek films, specifically Star Trek II: The Wrath of Khan (best Star Trek film ever!), Star Trek III: The Search For Spock, and Star Trek IV: The Voyage Home.
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25 Tsaord: That was a trilogy? I just learned something new. I honestly liked The Wrath of Khan. It seems the even numbered TOS movies were better than the odd
26 DesertJets: I always thought that was a bit of a cop out if you ask me. There are other presumably famous ships in starfleet with equally famous crews so why don
27 LTU932: Well, I at least call it a trilogy and it makes sense to call it a trilogy because the storylines of the films are interconnected. Star Trek II ends
28 DesertJets: well there are now pictures up on the Entertainment Weekly website that gives you the look and feel of the new Trek. http://www.ew.com/ew/gallery/0,,2
29 Slider: More big budget, no meat all filler summer crapola. Newsflash to all Hollyweird types---we don’t need any more damned “prequels” or backward loo
30 LTU932: Agreed. I just saw the pictures from the link you posted, and in order for this to be a true prequel to TOS, it has to look more 1960's. Even in Star
31 DfwRevolution: Wow, what a difference HD makes: http://movies.apple.com/movies/param.../star_trek/startrek-tlr2_h480p.mov
32 DXing: There was even an episode of Star Trek where he was on a planet that was able to recreate things and there was a horse in the background. Didn't show
33 DocLightning: Oh yes, but it looks like it'll be fun. Sometimes, a bit of cotton candy is in order.
34 GQfluffy: Give me more live action, and it looks real. Real is more exciting than fake. Sure you can't do live action in space, but too much CGI, and it looks
35 LTU932: And don't forget Star Trek: Generations, when Kirk was riding a horse during his stay in the "Nexus". Even Picard joined him, but only because he nee
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