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Church "Attacked" By Gay Rights Group: Lansing, MI  
User currently offlineQXatFAT From Israel, joined Feb 2006, 2404 posts, RR: 5
Posted (5 years 9 months 2 weeks 2 days 14 hours ago) and read 3658 times:

I heard about somethin that happend up in Lansing, Michigan last weekend and did a search online for the news articles to see if it was real. Well, it was real.

A gay rights group called "Bash Back" set up a disruption inside and outside of a church. Apparently they had confety tubes set up that spit out confety and condoms. A few groups set up in the church stood up and started shouting "Jesus was gay!" and two females went up on stage and started kissing.

If you read the article linked, it also states that a news reporter was tipped on it and instead of letting the church know, decided to show up so they could get the story. What in the world?

I read a few different articles so not all is in the one I posted.

http://www.freep.com/article/20081112/NEWS06/811120316/1008/NEWS


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User currently offlineNIKV69 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 1, posted (5 years 9 months 2 weeks 2 days 14 hours ago) and read 3635 times:

Yep didn't get their way so time to start crossing lines. Now you can't even have a church service without these whackos coming in and acting like total morons.

User currently offlineDXing From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 2, posted (5 years 9 months 2 weeks 2 days 14 hours ago) and read 3633 times:

That's the way to show that you have a reasoned argument that will convince the voting public you are on the right side of the issue.

User currently offlineWarRI1 From United States of America, joined Sep 2007, 8873 posts, RR: 10
Reply 3, posted (5 years 9 months 2 weeks 2 days 14 hours ago) and read 3627 times:

That has to be the dumbest of the dumb, talk about uncouth. What a way to get people to support Gay Rights. Pulling those stunts inside of the church, or anywhere. What were they thinking?  Sad


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User currently offlineSKYSERVICE_330 From Canada, joined Sep 2000, 1415 posts, RR: 5
Reply 4, posted (5 years 9 months 2 weeks 2 days 13 hours ago) and read 3621 times:

Disrupting somebodys religious observance is NOT the way to get your point across, and I doubt this incident will endear the group to anyone.

There are radicals and fringe elements in every community and movement. Clinic bombers don't represent all abortion activists and Westboro does not represent all Christians. Likewise, this group does not represent all gay rights activists.


User currently offlineEWRCabincrew From United States of America, joined May 2006, 5523 posts, RR: 56
Reply 5, posted (5 years 9 months 2 weeks 2 days 13 hours ago) and read 3614 times:



Quoting SKYSERVICE_330 (Reply 4):
There are radicals and fringe elements in every community and movement. Clinic bombers don't represent all abortion activists and Westboro does not represent all Christians. Likewise, this group does not represent all gay rights activists.

Well said. There are ways and there are ways. This isn't one of them. There is always one bad apple (or a few) in the bunch.



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User currently offlineSearpqx From Netherlands, joined Jun 2000, 4344 posts, RR: 10
Reply 6, posted (5 years 9 months 2 weeks 2 days 13 hours ago) and read 3605 times:



Quoting EWRCabincrew (Reply 5):

Quoting SKYSERVICE_330 (Reply 4):
There are radicals and fringe elements in every community and movement. Clinic bombers don't represent all abortion activists and Westboro does not represent all Christians. Likewise, this group does not represent all gay rights activists.

Well said. There are ways and there are ways. This isn't one of them. There is always one bad apple (or a few) in the bunch.

Agreed, this type of behavior is unacceptable, no matter who's doing it and who the target is.



"The two most common elements in the universe are Hydrogen and stupidity"
User currently offlineQXatFAT From Israel, joined Feb 2006, 2404 posts, RR: 5
Reply 7, posted (5 years 9 months 2 weeks 2 days 13 hours ago) and read 3604 times:

Quoting EWRCabincrew (Reply 5):
There is always one bad apple (or a few) in the bunch.

And that goes for all people groups...religous, sexual orientation, and political parties.

[Edited 2008-11-17 19:30:00]


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User currently offlineAaron747 From Japan, joined Aug 2003, 8135 posts, RR: 26
Reply 8, posted (5 years 9 months 2 weeks 2 days 13 hours ago) and read 3571 times:



Quoting DXing (Reply 2):
That's the way to show that you have a reasoned argument that will convince the voting public you are on the right side of the issue.



Quoting WarRI1 (Reply 3):
What a way to get people to support Gay Rights. Pulling those stunts inside of the church, or anywhere. What were they thinking?

These people are idiots and they're wrong. They should serve whatever time necessary for disturbing the peace, public nuisance, and trespassing. Anybody with an ounce of sense and reason can see that and call it what it is. But don't try and play that game with this "showing on the right side of the issue" nonsense. It's too easy to put that shoe on the other foot - if this is tit-for-tat, then we are to believe the "other" side of this issue is gay-hating psychos in Wyoming responsible for murdering an innocent teen, and equally psychotic bashers who beat and murder transgender individuals to the tune of ten to fifteen a year, according to some watchdog groups. It's an ugly game to play, so let's not go down that road.



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User currently offlineQXatFAT From Israel, joined Feb 2006, 2404 posts, RR: 5
Reply 9, posted (5 years 9 months 2 weeks 2 days 12 hours ago) and read 3566 times:



Quoting Aaron747 (Reply 8):
They should serve whatever time necessary for disturbing the peace, public nuisance, and trespassing.

I believe the article states, or another one I read, that there were no arrests or charges pressed at the time.

Also, I dont think this was some po-duck country church in Lansing either. My friends here at my College told me it was something in the thousands that attend (~ 3,000 to 4,000 they say) aka a "Mega Church".



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User currently offlineDocLightning From United States of America, joined Nov 2005, 19576 posts, RR: 58
Reply 10, posted (5 years 9 months 2 weeks 2 days 12 hours ago) and read 3569 times:

This saddens me.

Oh, I've fantasized about horrible things happening to churches and those who supported these hateful measures. I've fantasized about molotov cocktails and meteors and lightning strikes. I'm only human.

But I wouldn't DO it. And I don't condone it.

In my opinion, it is best to let the other side resort to these tactics. And frankly, even though they didn't cause any physical harm, this was tactless and counterproductive.

Now, picketing outside a church? That's fine and I'd even participate in it. That's a fundamental right AS LONG AS you don't block access or harass individuals entering and leaving.

The individuals responsible should be held responsible as per the law for trespassing and vandalism at the very least. I would also expect prominent gay leaders to stand up and strongly condemn such behavior.


User currently offlineSearpqx From Netherlands, joined Jun 2000, 4344 posts, RR: 10
Reply 11, posted (5 years 9 months 2 weeks 2 days 12 hours ago) and read 3543 times:



Quoting Dougloid (Reply 12):
"So's yer auntie" has never been a very good argument

Unfortunately, its the favorite one in this forum.

Quoting DocLightning (Reply 10):
Now, picketing outside a church? That's fine and I'd even participate in it. That's a fundamental right AS LONG AS you don't block access or harass individuals entering and leaving.

I was a proud participant of our local protest march this weekend, and I will be again I'm sure. There are plenty of ways to get our message across, without resorting to measures that give our foes more ammunition.



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User currently offlinePWM2TXLHopper From United States of America, joined Jan 2004, 1324 posts, RR: 1
Reply 12, posted (5 years 9 months 2 weeks 2 days 11 hours ago) and read 3505 times:

It's so nice to see these groups "celebrating diversity" as they preach that everybody else needs to!

Quoting DocLightning (Reply 10):

Oh, I've fantasized about horrible things happening to churches and those who supported these hateful measures. I've fantasized about molotov cocktails and meteors and lightning strikes. I'm only human.

If that makes you only human, than I guess it's o.k. if I've also fantasized about waking up to find all the sodomites had drowned in the ocean never to be seen running around shirtless and making out at pride parades every again! Hey, I'm only human! And normal. But hey, it's only a fantasy! Thank god for diversity! The world would be so black and white if everybody was morally bankrupt and liberal!

If it's o.k for gays to hate, than so can I!

[Edited 2008-11-17 21:32:38]

User currently offlineSearpqx From Netherlands, joined Jun 2000, 4344 posts, RR: 10
Reply 13, posted (5 years 9 months 2 weeks 2 days 11 hours ago) and read 3471 times:



Quoting PWM2TXLHopper (Reply 15):
It's so nice to see these groups "celebrating diversity" as they preach that everybody else needs to!

What 'groups'? All I read about was one small group, 'gay anarchists' I believe they were called. And I have yet to read anyone condoning their actions

Quoting PWM2TXLHopper (Reply 15):
If it's o.k for gays to hate, than so can I!

You've never needed an excuse to express it before, why start now?



"The two most common elements in the universe are Hydrogen and stupidity"
User currently offlineDXing From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 14, posted (5 years 9 months 2 weeks 2 days 10 hours ago) and read 3459 times:



Quoting Aaron747 (Reply 8):
But don't try and play that game with this "showing on the right side of the issue" nonsense.

Unfortunately for them, since this is what gets the publicity, it's also what people remember.


User currently offlineSmithAir747 From Canada, joined Jan 2004, 1628 posts, RR: 28
Reply 15, posted (5 years 9 months 2 weeks 2 days 9 hours ago) and read 3438 times:

A similar thing, but on a much greater scale, happened here in San Francisco in 1993.

Hamilton Square Baptist Church, in San Francisco, was the target of a big riot by a group of gay activists. Word had gotten out to them that a guest preacher was coming to preach at the church, so a large group of activists showed up. Rioters actually tried to block parishioners from entering the church (some people, including children, were even harassed and frightened by rioters whilst trying to enter for the service), the rainbow flag was briefly hoisted up on the church's flagpole, and even some vandalism was committed. San Francisco police were there but made no arrests. Some rioters even tried to forcibly enter through the main and side entrances to disrupt the service.

Not a good way to further any cause!

SmithAir747



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User currently offlineHomer71 From United States of America, joined Jul 2001, 2242 posts, RR: 14
Reply 16, posted (5 years 9 months 2 weeks 2 days 4 hours ago) and read 3396 times:



Quoting SKYSERVICE_330 (Reply 4):
There are radicals and fringe elements in every community and movement.

Well, then probably this story won't get any run on CNN or FOXNews (last time I checked) since these morons don't fairly represent gays, right?

But, wait, why is that idiot priest who is requiring Obama supporters to repent before receiving communion grabbing headlines on the major media outlets? Isn't he considered a radical/fringe element of the Catholic Church?



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User currently offlineFlynavy From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 17, posted (5 years 9 months 2 weeks 2 days 4 hours ago) and read 3395 times:



Quoting NIKV69 (Reply 1):
Yep didn't get their way so time to start crossing lines.

Yeah, sort of like the right-wing racists and bigots in this country now levying death threats against our President-elect, hanging effigies in trees, this list goes on and on...

Pot, kettle, black.


User currently offlineStlgph From United States of America, joined Oct 2004, 9345 posts, RR: 25
Reply 18, posted (5 years 9 months 2 weeks 2 days 4 hours ago) and read 3386 times:

Sounds like a fraternity is having a rush week.


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User currently offlineDocLightning From United States of America, joined Nov 2005, 19576 posts, RR: 58
Reply 19, posted (5 years 9 months 2 weeks 2 days 3 hours ago) and read 3369 times:



Quoting PWM2TXLHopper (Reply 12):

If that makes you only human, than I guess it's o.k. if I've also fantasized about waking up to find all the sodomites had drowned in the ocean never to be seen running around shirtless and making out at pride parades every again!

You're quite welcome to it, too. That's your right as long as you don't ever act on it.

Of course, I hate these people because of what they've done to me. I have no wish to see the Presbyterian Church down the street firebombed. They didn't do anything wrong; in fact, they opposed Prop 8.

And you just hate me for who I am. Which is your right. And it's mine to hate you back.


User currently offlineThePRGuy From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 20, posted (5 years 9 months 2 weeks 2 days 3 hours ago) and read 3351 times:

Its a shame.

You get nutjobs both sides of the fence, anti-gay lunatics (one particular family with a cult like mother springs to mind - she was on tyra banks not too long ago) and then these loonietunes pro-gay nutters who think its OK to interrupt people and cause havoc.

You get nutters everywhere


User currently offlineSignol From United Kingdom, joined Oct 2007, 3003 posts, RR: 8
Reply 21, posted (5 years 9 months 2 weeks 2 days 3 hours ago) and read 3351 times:



Quoting PWM2TXLHopper (Reply 12):
than so can I

Matthew 22 vv 37-40

signol



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User currently offlineDocLightning From United States of America, joined Nov 2005, 19576 posts, RR: 58
Reply 22, posted (5 years 9 months 2 weeks 2 days ago) and read 3297 times:



Quoting Signol (Reply 21):

Matthew 22 vv 37-40

Signol,

I've heard the most amazing things justified as "love." From hatred to torture and murder.

Words without works, yes. But the words are still there.


User currently offlineSignol From United Kingdom, joined Oct 2007, 3003 posts, RR: 8
Reply 23, posted (5 years 9 months 2 weeks 2 days ago) and read 3289 times:

Doc,

I'm with you. I've seen so many people do things in the name of religion that they cannot possibly truly believe in God. Bigotry and hatred have no place in the heart of any true Christian.

signol



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User currently offlineNIKV69 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 24, posted (5 years 9 months 2 weeks 2 days ago) and read 3286 times:



Quoting Flynavy (Reply 17):
Yeah, sort of like the right-wing racists and bigots in this country now levying death threats against our President-elect, hanging effigies in trees, this list goes on and on...

Pot, kettle, black.

With the execption of the two morons arrested for plotting to do harm to Obama pleae provide sources. Kind of funny but they did hang Palin an effigy too. Let's not have selective memory Chris. It works both ways.

Pot, kettle, black once again.


25 Post contains links Dougloid : How about Ted Nugent? http://www.rollingstone.com/rockdail...inton-during-vicious-onstage-rant/ Cartrell, Adolph, Johnson and Gromek? http://www.tele
26 NIKV69 : Slide off the hook with what? So some nuts are making verbal threats so what? We are talking about people invading people liberties and disrupting ch
27 IAirAllie : What a waste of time. The people who hurt me or try to aren't worth the energy that goes into hatred. I can honestly say I don't hate anyone. There a
28 Slider : Yes, moral relativism at its finest. Let's paint everyone with the same brush. Human nature is what it is, but this is one more example of those who
29 JCS17 : Doesn't that strike you as a wee bit immature and insecure?
30 SkyyKat : Any Pictures!!?!?!?!
31 Slider : You forgot intolerant.
32 SkyyKat : It doesn't strike you that you lack a sense of humor?
33 ThePRGuy : They would have been frumpy dogs with leather jackets and piercings anyway.
34 SkyyKat : You had to go and ruin it for me! Booooo
35 Mariner : Sadly, that is true. In this one piece of silly, if impassioned, theatrics, an entire history of gay bashing and gay murder is forgotten or ignored.
36 Post contains links Waterpolodan : Reminds me of this article from the onion, it's been posted here a few times before I think- http://www.theonion.com/content/node/28491
37 IAirAllie : Um they weren't talking about your post. I don't think discussing how you secretly harbor desires to see violence perpetrated against a group with wh
38 Flynavy : I'm confident that one day this country will come to its senses. We're certainly moving in the right direction... The "moral high ground" religious ri
39 SkyyKat : Where do you get your drugs from??!!!!!!???!!!? Is most of the USA devoid of humor? AirAillie: Doc's paraphrase was clearly comical.... Grow a freaki
40 FRAspotter : While here on this site you just get a.nutters...
41 Superfly : Were these gays a bunch of 'fisher of men'? Perhaps they went to the right place.
42 Luv2fly : Being from MI I would have thought to get more bang for the buck, no pun intentded! GRR would be a larger and better target as it is the bible belt of
43 Post contains images QXatFAT : Oh boy Superfly. You just had to spill the beans didnt ya haha. Actually it was females to my understanding that were mostly protesting, so fisher of
44 Superfly : Oh gosh I hate that cult! If that Church is in any way affiliated with AmWay, then I am all in favor of disrupting their service.
45 DXing : Yep, they would have been tongue and groove carpenters.
46 Superfly : I just had to a little.
47 IAirAllie : No, sadly it was not meant to be comical. He mentioned it before in the California's shame threads. I belive the mods may have deleted them. If you h
48 Luv2fly : Like I tell my boyfrend all the time, if only you find it funny then maybe it's better to keep it to yourself.
49 DocLightning : Yeah, but I'm only human. I can't control what my brain does like that. I can control what I do about it. What I am going to do about it is work thro
50 Post contains links Flynavy : For those wonder what I mean by this, I invite you all to read this post, written by Kathryn Kolbert, president for People For the American Way. I wa
51 NIKV69 : Again I find it funny how now African Americans are being portrayed as puppets of the right. When are gay rights activists going to get off their elit
52 Flynavy : So it's up to the majority to decide, eh? If it were up the majority in places like Montgomery, Alabama back during the Civil Rights movement of the 5
53 EWRCabincrew : Then why is it that the LDS, KOC, the Catholic Church, etc. had all given millions towards advertising, lies and fear towards swaying voters to vote
54 DocLightning : Oh, it was more of a political trick to try to get Republicans to the ballot box. But it's just wrong to use the Bible as a weapon. And that's what t
55 DXing : Actually, if you read your history, it was the minority party at the time, the GOP, that ensured that the civil rights legislation passed. If it had
56 UN_B732 : Why do I imagine if Christians were to (hypothetically) attack and harass people at a gay rights service; they'd go to jail.. quickly.. for hate crime
57 EWRCabincrew : The Westboro Baptist Church does this all the time. They have yet to go to jail for a hate crime.
58 NIKV69 : If you are going to get married in the state of CA yes it is Chris. Granted but your comparing the right to vote etc to getting married? Now I am a G
59 PWM2TXLHopper : That's a tired, lame-ass argument and there's no comparison. The only one's I'd buy that argument from are blacks. And yet, almost all I've ever talk
60 Mariner : There was a vote about civil unions? mariner
61 DocLightning : The difference, hopper, and the one that you can't seem to answer, is that if an adult has sex with a child, that harms the child. But if I have sex
62 Flynavy : Yes. At least we agree on something, eh? It doesn't matter what the flipping discussion about. Regardless of the topic, you always chime in, at which
63 Post contains links DocLightning : www.godhatesfags.com Hopper, you considered joining these folks? No, I'm not being sarcastic.
64 Post contains links SkyyKat : These nuts are a very small group. Most of the members are young and have been brainwashed since a very young age. I suggest you take the time to wat
65 Post contains links Jamincan : How about their website? http://www.godhatesfags.com/ Their targets have traditionally been the funerals of gay people; however, they've recently dev
66 NIKV69 : I am not allowed to chime in? As long as you are allowed to post here I am as well. What GOP talking points are you talking about? I said you should
67 Post contains links Flynavy : Of course you are, much to my dismay. I don't need to be psychoanalyzed by you. You don't even know me. You may have met me once, but you haven't the
68 NIKV69 : Sorry Chris but we should be tolerant of other people's views, at least that is what you say when it goes in line with your thinking right? As you do
69 Mt99 : Honest question: Do you really think that if Prop 8 was struck down, Religious conservatives would have said: "People have spoken, go ahead and marry
70 Flynavy : There you go again, giving me advice I did not ask for. I do NOT condone intolerance. I have your record here to go on. Just as you have mine. You ha
71 QXatFAT : Do you condone yourself? Being that you do not condone intolerance. It would be nice if it was just two people but the sad fact is, it was a lot more
72 NIKV69 : Oh really, could have fooled me with this statement. What is next Chris? You sure sound scarier than Westboro. Chris what about the people that calle
73 Flynavy : I take it you voted for Prop 8? Congratulations. Did you get any joy out of seeing it pass? Did you take joy in screwing with other folks' lives?
74 Flynavy : Ah yes. I knew terrorism would come into this at some point. Tread carefully, sir.
75 QXatFAT : Thanks for answering. Exactly. I dont go to civil union's and start shouting around breaking up your happy moment right infront of your face. Stay ou
76 Flynavy : Conversely, stay out of my life with your damned Church.[Edited 2008-11-19 12:34:51]
77 NIKV69 : It did, at that church in MI. Listen to your own words. I believe it is you that should tread carefully. From your words in this thread you seem to t
78 Flynavy : What complete and utter nonsense. I did not condone the actions of the group in Lansing. The post I said that in was removed because the one I refere
79 DXing : I'm sorry but I have to disagree with you there. The scenes of dogs and fire hoses being used on blacks in Birmingham along with Dr. Kings speechs ro
80 NIKV69 : I will admit the religious right is very radical in their views but in no way do they meddle in people's lives Chris. Prop 8 was voted on by a cross
81 Flynavy : But their hands are in the cookie jar, to the tone of $20 million in support of Prop 8 in the case of the Mormon church. The process must be allowed
82 Travelin man : This is the funniest thing I've read in a very long time. The religious right does not meddle in people's lives????? Gay marriage, abortion, the teac
83 EWRCabincrew : Are lies okay, then? Alone? No. A big financial part? Yes. Just as guilty.
84 DocLightning : Had there been a state referendum to allow interracial marriage, it would have never passed. If there had been a state referendum to desegregate scho
85 QXatFAT : Here is the think I dont understand though, why are props put up for voting if the judicial side of things are going to deem it unconstitutional? Tha
86 DXing : You don't know that anymore than I can say for certainty the people in the north were really ginned up by the TV coverage. Having lived in the North
87 DocLightning : Because if you vote to march all the Jews to the gas chambers, that doesn't mean the referendum should be carried out. This is the issue with a "tyrr
88 EWRCabincrew : I live that uphill battle everyday. I, like most gays, know it well.
89 QXatFAT : Is it that bad in Canada like it is here EWR? I never wish anything like this happens to any more Churchs and I hope nothing like this happens to any
90 EWRCabincrew : Well, my marriage is valid in Canada and my husband and I are treated with the same dignity and equality as any other with regard to employment, taxe
91 PWM2TXLHopper : Why would I join that group? I'm not even a practicing Christian. I just hold traditional, conservative values. And I don't claim Jesus as my savior!
92 WunalaYann : I am afraid there is something quite contradictory in your statements. If you do not want to put people "on the defensive", maybe you should think of
93 EWRCabincrew : Like heterosexuals do everyday without worry of attack, ridicule, harassment, etc..
94 PWM2TXLHopper : Well, I just speak the truth, even when it's unpopular. I'm not a sensitive kind of guy. I'm very blunt. If it hurts you, than I'm sorry, but that's
95 EWRCabincrew : Then why are there more than 400 species of animals with documented homosexual behavior? Including birds. Very simple.
96 WunalaYann : The difference between your post and mine is that I never went after you personally. I took your point and noted that we see things very differently,
97 PWM2TXLHopper : Why are some people born mentally retarded? Or missing a limb. Or with mental illness. or with autism, or Blind, or any other deformity or problem th
98 JpetekYXMD80 : Once again, PWM putting on a show for all to see. He'll be here all night folks!
99 DXing : As I have no doubt. But it certainly got reinforced with that vote. And you know what, I really truly hope that some compromise can be met. I have ye
100 EWRCabincrew : One day it will. I truly thank you for your kind words. They sure do, as do small segments of any group trying to forge ahead. Some people do find th
101 WN700Driver : The only thing bad about this incident is that it is one more thing the religious zealotry will use to try to drag us all kicking and creaming back in
102 PWM2TXLHopper : No, if you want to be like that, then of course you also need to ask "so are we equating homosexuality with missing limbs now? Or being blind? So no,
103 DXing : I'm sorry but that is some really backward thinking. Whom someone chooses to be intimate with, assuming both parties are of age and consenting, is th
104 WN700Driver : Pardon the mistake. Showing outrage at homosexuals for (an admittedly overboard) demonstration at a Christian bastion. And saying things like won't fi
105 Flynavy : One problem - thanks to your vote for Prop 8 (and, gathering from your profile, I'd say it's a good bet that you voted for it), there won't be any mo
106 DocLightning : OK. This is off the topic of this thread, but I'm calling you on it. You claim to smoke marijuana every single day. You said so in another thread. An
107 UAL777 : Here's what I don't get. Everyone here is being intolerant. Against gays and against the church. Its hard not to get involved and post passionately wh
108 DocLightning : As long as you would have voted no on Prop 8, then I would respect your belief. I don't care if you don't believe in gay marriage or interracial marr
109 UAL777 : I wouldn't have voted on it period. I don't believe in mixing church and state, thus I wouldn't allow my personal beliefs to interfere with that vote
110 DocLightning : I can respect that, too.
111 Flynavy : I wasn't aware a ballot initiative barring freedom of religion was passed. Or perhaps I missed that memo?
112 UAL777 : I never said there was, but disrespect and hateful reactions will do nothing but stiffen the opposition.
113 Flynavy : And the gavel sounding in the Supreme Court of the United States will silence the opposition.
114 UAL777 : Time will tell I suppose won't it?
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