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A Che Guevara Statue In NYC? For Real?  
User currently offlineSlider From United States of America, joined Feb 2004, 6816 posts, RR: 34
Posted (5 years 10 months 2 days 3 hours ago) and read 2690 times:

http://www.commentarymagazine.com/blogs/index.php/greenwald/44021

What an outrage! A statue to commemorate a murderous thug? The truth about Comrade Che is so clear, so documented, yet so ignored by pop culture, mainstream media outlets and idiotic teenagers and whacked-out leftists. This just pisses me off.

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User currently offlineSkyyKat From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 1, posted (5 years 10 months 2 days 3 hours ago) and read 2678 times:

I am very objective about Che. It depends on who is telling the story. But I think it is an equal outrage to name and airport after GWB, and he has caused the death of more people.

I think it is silly to do it in NYC, the man was a mortal enemy of the USA. No different than putting up a statue of Marx in the same place.

I do have alot of admiration for Che, but equal amount of disdain as well. I wrote a term paper on him in University.


User currently offlineSlider From United States of America, joined Feb 2004, 6816 posts, RR: 34
Reply 2, posted (5 years 10 months 2 days 3 hours ago) and read 2672 times:



Quoting SkyyKat (Reply 1):
It depends on who is telling the story.

The hell it does. Murder, thuggery and terror is what it is.


User currently offlineN867DA From United States of America, joined May 2008, 1008 posts, RR: 0
Reply 3, posted (5 years 10 months 2 days 3 hours ago) and read 2670 times:

If Stalin or Lenin looked a little better they'd have statues in New York too! Che on the other hand delivered the looks AND action!


A nation turns its lonely eyes to you
User currently offlineConfuscius From United States of America, joined Aug 2001, 3863 posts, RR: 1
Reply 4, posted (5 years 10 months 2 days 3 hours ago) and read 2670 times:

It would be great if it's erected next to the Bull statue near Wall Street to commemorate the death of capitalism.

Viva La Revolución! Viva!  bigthumbsup 



Ain't I a stinker?
User currently offlineSlider From United States of America, joined Feb 2004, 6816 posts, RR: 34
Reply 5, posted (5 years 10 months 2 days 3 hours ago) and read 2654 times:



Quoting Confuscius (Reply 4):
It would be great if it's erected next to the Bull statue near Wall Street to commemorate the death of capitalism.

Viva La Revolución! Viva!

Don't worry--if it isn't dead yet, Comrade Obama will kill it.


User currently offlineJpetekYXMD80 From United States of America, joined Jul 2003, 4389 posts, RR: 29
Reply 6, posted (5 years 10 months 2 days 3 hours ago) and read 2648 times:

The first line..


"Things really have already changed since Barack Obama became President-elect."

 Yeah sure



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User currently offlineEWRCabincrew From United States of America, joined May 2006, 5523 posts, RR: 56
Reply 7, posted (5 years 10 months 2 days 3 hours ago) and read 2648 times:



Quoting SkyyKat (Reply 1):
But I think it is an equal outrage to name and airport after GWB, and he has caused the death of more people.

What airport is named after GWB? I know IAH is named after his Dad, GHB.



You can't cure stupid
User currently offlineOa260 From Ireland, joined Nov 2006, 26992 posts, RR: 57
Reply 8, posted (5 years 10 months 2 days 2 hours ago) and read 2643 times:



Quoting SkyyKat (Reply 1):
I am very objective about Che. It depends on who is telling the story. But I think it is an equal outrage to name and airport after GWB, and he has caused the death of more people.

Very true I totally agree. Like you said GWB killed more innocent people than Che ever did !!

The other difference between the two is that one claims ''God'' was telling him to do it  Wink


User currently offlineLMP737 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 9, posted (5 years 10 months 2 days 2 hours ago) and read 2619 times:

Quoting Oa260 (Reply 8):
Very true I totally agree. Like you said GWB killed more innocent people than Che ever did !!

The airport in question was named after GWB Sr., not junior.

[Edited 2008-11-21 14:47:43]

User currently offlineEWRCabincrew From United States of America, joined May 2006, 5523 posts, RR: 56
Reply 10, posted (5 years 10 months 2 days 2 hours ago) and read 2607 times:



Quoting LMP737 (Reply 9):
The airport in question was named after GWB Sr., not junior.

There is no senior (or junior). GWB doesn't have the same name as GH(W)B.

Quoting EWRCabincrew (Reply 7):
I know IAH is named after his Dad, GHB.




You can't cure stupid
User currently offlineLMP737 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 11, posted (5 years 10 months 2 days 2 hours ago) and read 2600 times:



Quoting EWRCabincrew (Reply 10):
There is no senior (or junior). GWB doesn't have the same name as GH(W)B.

You know what I mean.


User currently offlineEWRCabincrew From United States of America, joined May 2006, 5523 posts, RR: 56
Reply 12, posted (5 years 10 months 2 days 2 hours ago) and read 2587 times:



Quoting LMP737 (Reply 11):
You know what I mean.

This is a.net. Someone else would have done the same, too. This is a tough crowd sometimes.  Smile



You can't cure stupid
User currently offlineLMP737 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 13, posted (5 years 10 months 2 days 2 hours ago) and read 2565 times:



Quoting EWRCabincrew (Reply 12):
This is a.net. Someone else would have done the same, too. This is a tough crowd sometimes.

Good point. Smile


User currently offlineSkyyKat From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 14, posted (5 years 10 months 2 days ago) and read 2522 times:



Quoting EWRCabincrew (Reply 7):
What airport is named after GWB?

I was shocked that I made that mistake. Someone already pointed it out to me with a PM... Now I know Big grin


User currently offlineSkyyKat From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 15, posted (5 years 10 months 1 day 23 hours ago) and read 2504 times:



Quoting Slider (Reply 5):
Don't worry--if it isn't dead yet, Comrade Obama will kill it.

Hey man, why dont you give the man a chance! He was not my favorite potential, but anything is better than the current admin. It cant go down from here, it just cant  pray 


User currently offlineJCS17 From United States of America, joined Jun 2001, 8065 posts, RR: 38
Reply 16, posted (5 years 10 months 1 day 21 hours ago) and read 2463 times:



Quoting SkyyKat (Reply 1):
I am very objective about Che. It depends on who is telling the story. But I think it is an equal outrage to name and airport after GWB, and he has caused the death of more people.

So by that standard, we can re-name Boston Logan... Boston Muhammad Atta International? After all, he caused less death than George W. Bush and was hailed by many as a freedom fighter and not a terrorist. The moral relativism is shocking...



America's chickens are coming home to rooooost!
User currently offlineHowSwedeitis From Sweden, joined Jul 2007, 586 posts, RR: 0
Reply 17, posted (5 years 10 months 1 day 21 hours ago) and read 2464 times:
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Quoting Slider (Reply 5):
Don't worry--if it isn't dead yet, Comrade Obama will kill it

Oh here we go...  sarcastic  Again with this whole, "Obama the Socialist" garbage. That was all you conservatives had left wasn't it? The People of the USA had had enough of the Bush regime, and so the GOP, in a desperate attempt to hold on to power, started claiming that Obama was a terrorist, or a communist, or a pervert who wanted to talk to Kindergartners about sex, or any other number of false statements. (*Oh, and for the record, I fully understand and congratulate the fact the McCain corrected even his own supporters on the false name calling; however Palin continued to say he was "palin' around with terrorists" and even later McCain began to hint towards Obama being a communist.) And, by the way, was it not Bush who was in charge these last 8 years? Just checking.

Now, on the statue of Che, I think that as long as the statue is put there by an artist, than I don't really care. Now, do I agree with the methods of Che Guevara? No. But Why don't you put up a statue of President Batista? The mob-swindling, murderer President of Cuba prior to Castro. The US Government liked him. He was terrible to his people, and Havana was a nice vacation spot for the Mafia during the 1950's... Just ripe for a revolution. Unfortunately, the true ideals of Socialism were lost on Castro, and even Che. Sadly, it seems, all of these "Socialist Ideals" seem to fall apart to greed.

Besides, Seattle's Fremont has a statue dedicated to Vladimir Lenin!
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Statue_of_Lenin_(Seattle)

-HSII



Heja Sverige!!
User currently offlineSkyyKat From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 18, posted (5 years 10 months 1 day 21 hours ago) and read 2450 times:



Quoting JCS17 (Reply 16):
So by that standard, we can re-name Boston Logan... Boston Muhammad Atta International?

I was responding to the tread starters argument that Che's statue in NYC is an outrage. I don't see how you are seeing the parallel between what your statement is and what mine was.

I also said in the same post:

Quoting SkyyKat (Reply 1):
I think it is silly to do it in NYC, the man was a mortal enemy of the USA. No different than putting up a statue of Marx in the same place.

So I don't think that is a good idea. Your statement about naming Bostan Muhammad Atta is senseless.

Additionally, if you want to name airports after people, name them after people that did some good for the world. No Bush ever did that and naming an airport after one of them is sad. Naming and airport after 99% of presidents is sad.

What about Martin Luther King Jr. International Airport? No, but that is silly because he actually did some good right?


User currently offlineUAL777 From United States of America, joined Aug 2003, 1556 posts, RR: 5
Reply 19, posted (5 years 10 months 1 day 20 hours ago) and read 2430 times:



Quoting SkyyKat (Reply 18):

Additionally, if you want to name airports after people, name them after people that did some good for the world. No Bush ever did that and naming an airport after one of them is sad. Naming and airport after 99% of presidents is sad.

What about Martin Luther King Jr. International Airport? No, but that is silly because he actually did some good right?

Are you kidding? How about leading the liberation of Kuwait? How about removing the Taliban from power? Leading the fight against Islamic extremism?? No I guess those are all horrible things.



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User currently offlineSkyyKat From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 20, posted (5 years 10 months 1 day 20 hours ago) and read 2424 times:



Quoting UAL777 (Reply 19):
How about leading the liberation of Kuwait?

Yes, but then encouraging a revolution against uncle Saddam and promising support to them which he did not give, which resulted in the slaughtering of thousands that were told to rebel by Bush. And then putting economic sanctions on Iraq that caused the death of nearly 1,000,000 Iraqi civilians while not harming Saddam at all.

Quoting UAL777 (Reply 19):
How about removing the Taliban from power?

And then near abandoning the country to fight a useless war in Iraq that should have never been fought. And in the meantime allowing Taliban to be a strong force killing civilians and OUR solders. In the meantime destroying Iraq and killing hundreds of thousands of civilians and thousands of American solders.

Quoting UAL777 (Reply 19):
Leading the fight against Islamic extremism??

Leading, yes. Doing an effective job, no.

Yes, Bush is a great guy...  Yeah sure


User currently offlineUAL777 From United States of America, joined Aug 2003, 1556 posts, RR: 5
Reply 21, posted (5 years 10 months 1 day 18 hours ago) and read 2382 times:



Quoting SkyyKat (Reply 20):

And then near abandoning the country to fight a useless war in Iraq that should have never been fought. And in the meantime allowing Taliban to be a strong force killing civilians and OUR solders. In the meantime destroying Iraq and killing hundreds of thousands of civilians and thousands of American solders.

Abandoning???? Are you kidding?? Tell that to the dead U.S. Servicemen over there. Over 90% of all civilian deaths in Iraq and Afghanistan have been caused by the extremists...NOT the US. Next.

Quoting SkyyKat (Reply 20):

Yes, but then encouraging a revolution against uncle Saddam and promising support to them which he did not give, which resulted in the slaughtering of thousands that were told to rebel by Bush. And then putting economic sanctions on Iraq that caused the death of nearly 1,000,000 Iraqi civilians while not harming Saddam at all.

No. The Shiites expected it (and the groups were based in Iran BTW) but the US stated over and over they were not going to meddle in Iraq's internal affairs.

Quoting SkyyKat (Reply 20):

Leading, yes. Doing an effective job, no.

Yes, Bush is a great guy... Yeah sure

Recent estimates have over 75,000 terrorists killed or captured.



It is always darkest before the sun comes up.
User currently offlineHowSwedeitis From Sweden, joined Jul 2007, 586 posts, RR: 0
Reply 22, posted (5 years 10 months 1 day 17 hours ago) and read 2373 times:
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Quoting UAL777 (Reply 21):
have been caused by the extremists...

Which was caused by the US invading... I feel like I have had this conversation before...  Confused

Quoting UAL777 (Reply 21):
75,000 terrorists killed or captured.

I wonder how many of these "terrorists" were 12 or 13, or "at the wrong place at the wrong time?"

-HSII



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User currently offlineOA260 From Ireland, joined Nov 2006, 26992 posts, RR: 57
Reply 23, posted (5 years 10 months 1 day 14 hours ago) and read 2348 times:



Quoting HowSwedeitis (Reply 22):
Which was caused by the US invading... I feel like I have had this conversation before...

Me too. The US has so many high tech weapons that they bomb schools with kids in them in Pakistan. Afghanistan and Iraq. No wonder people turn to extremism. If a country wiped out my family I would probably feel the same way !!


User currently offlineSkyyKat From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 24, posted (5 years 10 months 1 day 10 hours ago) and read 2314 times:



Quoting UAL777 (Reply 21):
Abandoning???? Are you kidding??

UAL, where are most of the US troops? Not in Afghanistan where they should be. I would call the abandoning and now the poor troops that are there, which is NOT just US troops, do not have the resources or the man power to do the job properly.

Quoting UAL777 (Reply 21):
Tell that to the dead U.S. Servicemen over there

Now can't we have a serious conversation here? Lets use facts and not guilt tactics.

Quoting UAL777 (Reply 21):
US stated over and over they were not going to meddle in Iraq's internal affairs.

After the the first gulf war the US put an embargo on Iraq that caused close to 1,000,000 civilian deaths. They could not get food, medicine and other basic essentials. I don't get how starving civilians can accomplish anything. Actually it cant.

And this embargo means that the US DID meddle in Iraq's affairs. Internal? I don't know, but they put a strangle hold on the country that made Saddam stronger and the civilians sick and dying.

Bush Sr. did this, Clinton continued it and than after over a decade of suffering Bush Jr. invaded.


25 Bok269 : Right, because raising taxes back to Reagan-era levels=communism.
26 Santosdumont : Yeah, helluva nose dive the Dow took yesterday (21 November) How much time elapsed between the so-called "liberation" of Kuwait and the date when wom
27 UAL777 : Doesn't matter. It was still a good thing. It was a UN embargo not just the US. Not many. See its funny how little reaches the news. When you see "10
28 Santosdumont : This isn't Martha Stewart. How can it be called a "liberation" if freedom wasn't brought to everyone? Would the United States really be willing to ov
29 SlamClick : And the last post actually mentioning Che and New York was #18 Where IS this thread headed?
30 FlyDeltaJets87 : He sure saved our ass! Signed, Kuwait. MLK has a ton of stuff named after him, including a holiday. Just because the media ignores Afghanistan doesn'
31 OA260 : Signed Kuwait Oil fields
32 Beaucaire : In France there are hundreds of Napoleon monuments -and he was basically a mass-murderer of the worst kind,sending knowingly hundrets of thousands int
33 FlyDeltaJets87 : But in other countries where the governments tend not to spread other countries' propaganda? I would expect to find monuments to Mao in China, but I
34 WunalaYann : Actually I forcefully disagree with your statement. Marx was not anyone's enemy. Marx was a historian, an economist and a philosopher. And quite a br
35 Post contains links Columba : How many people walk around with Che on the T-Shirt ? Times have changed and communist leaders are now even used in car commercials: http://de.youtube
36 Post contains links Slider : (It's hilarious how everything has to come back to Bush-bashing...honestly people. I am the biggest legit critic he has, but give it a rest!) Back on
37 Post contains links Dougloid : Tempest in a teapot. Why are you here if you think this is so important, Slider? I expect your resignation in the morning along with the news that yo
38 Confuscius : Voters rejected the ballot measure because it works effectively. It would be an insult to the sewage plant to be named after an inept president.
39 Slider : LOL....nice rant.
40 Dougloid : I dunno. It'd serve as a reminder to the rest of us what happens when we have garbage for a government. I like the idea of the George W. Bush Sanitar
41 IliriBDL : Exactly, +1 million my friend. Mr. George Bush has liberated millions of people around the world. The deaths you see in Iraq are from the murdering A
42 Post contains links WunalaYann : Many people on the theatre of operations strongly disagree with your statement: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Casualt...he_Iraq_War#Total_Iraqi_casual
43 Dougloid : Another such victory over the Romans and we are undone. Signed, your pal in the palace Pyrrhus
44 Confuscius : We'll have to look for a third-world nation landfill for that.
45 Dougloid : What about Alaska? They already believe it's ice cream.
46 WunalaYann : Why do you want to add to their misery?
47 EZEIZA : If a statue of Che is allowed by the same token a statue of Mussolini should be allowed. I have said this before on another thread ... I am sick and t
48 EZEIZA : Oh and on the Bush deal ... it is unbelievable that people defend his wars. Thousands have died under a BS pretext of WMD's and yet some people think
49 Cedars747 : Alex!!!
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