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User currently offlineSuperfly From Thailand, joined May 2000, 39852 posts, RR: 74
Posted (12 years 5 months 1 week 4 days 21 hours ago) and read 934 times:

Do you think term limits are fair?
I thought that's what elections were for.

What are some of your thoughts?


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User currently offlineHartsfieldboy From United States of America, joined Sep 2001, 552 posts, RR: 1
Reply 1, posted (12 years 5 months 1 week 4 days 21 hours ago) and read 918 times:

Personally, I think ALL politicans are scum. I am for terms limits because 1) Many politicans run unopposed, so they win no matter if they are good or bad. 2) When an offical first get elected, they really are focused on what the public wants. But after they get comfortable in office, they start getting corrupted by all the different interest groups, so instead of doing the will of their constitutants like they originally wanted to do, they do whatever the highest bidder wants. 3) Politicans with decades of service become so powerful that whatever they want, they get.

Term limits would solve these problems.


User currently offlineBanco From United Kingdom, joined Oct 2001, 14752 posts, RR: 53
Reply 2, posted (12 years 5 months 1 week 4 days 21 hours ago) and read 913 times:

How did FDR get round the term limit rule? Or was it only recently introduced?


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User currently offlineCfalk From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 3, posted (12 years 5 months 1 week 4 days 21 hours ago) and read 914 times:

Not ony do I think it is fair, I believe that a congressman, senator or other elected official should be allowed to be elected more than once to the same office. The system in the U.S. Senate is quite good (other than the lack of term limits) - 6-year terms, rotating through the senate every 2 years.

I think professional politicians, who have no other job than politics, is a bad thing. We should bring citizens back into government. Doctors, engineers, managers, lawyers, common workmen and women who decide to take a sabbatical from their profession, and serve their country. After their stint in government, they go home and go back to work.

If a rotating election system is applied to the House, Senate, and even the Presidency, and a strict single-term limit enforced, I think the government will be truely "by the people, for the people".

If someone REALLY wants to be re-elected, he can go for another post. for instance, someone could serve in the house, then the senate, and finally the presidency, all in 18 years (not necessarily contiguous)

Charles


User currently offlineDC3Cowboy From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 4, posted (12 years 5 months 1 week 4 days 21 hours ago) and read 911 times:

Superfly

The test of a new law, at least for freedom lovers, is whether it will take away any liberties.

Term limits will take away the right to re-elect who we want. Yes, we do re-elect some real duds but we would not be able to re-elect a real winner. Please, don't protect us from ourselves.

You are right.  Smile/happy/getting dizzy


User currently offlineCfalk From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 5, posted (12 years 5 months 1 week 4 days 21 hours ago) and read 909 times:

Duh... serves me right for not proofreading. My first sentance should have read: "Not ony do I think it is fair, I believe that a congressman, senator or other elected official should NOT be allowed to be elected more than once to the same office."

User currently offlineFordlover From United States of America, joined Sep 2001, 194 posts, RR: 0
Reply 6, posted (12 years 5 months 1 week 4 days 20 hours ago) and read 902 times:

FDR was the reason for term limits. He was unbeatable. So, after his death, we have a limit of 2 terms for a president. I won't go into the merits of FDR's reign, but with a war on at the time, it was probably right not to shake up the leadership (at the top level at least).

User currently offlineAlpha 1 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 7, posted (12 years 5 months 1 week 4 days 20 hours ago) and read 900 times:

For once, I agree with Superfly. We have the greatest term limit in the world-the ballot box. Unfortunately, not enough people exercise that privelage, and when they do, the seem to vote for the best-sounding names (in local/state elections), and don't do any homework on candidates.


User currently offlineSuperfly From Thailand, joined May 2000, 39852 posts, RR: 74
Reply 8, posted (12 years 5 months 1 week 4 days 18 hours ago) and read 886 times:

Well I agree that many politicians of both parties are scum and are corrupt. We seem to forget that many incumbents do lose re-election even if they are powerful. Look at the defeat of William Roth (R-DE) and Charles Robb (D-VA).
I think term limits takes away our choices.
Here in California, we've had term lmits on the state legislature since 1994. Nothing good came out of it other than politicains playing musical chairs from one office to another.



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User currently offlinePanAm747 From United States of America, joined Feb 2004, 4242 posts, RR: 8
Reply 9, posted (12 years 5 months 1 week 4 days 17 hours ago) and read 875 times:

I agree, the ballot box should be used for term limits.

Don't forget, some candidates run unopposed because no one else wants to run, not because people think the incumbant is unbeatable.

If you put term limits in, some states (Alaska, North Dakota, West Virginia) might not be able to field candidates at all in stae or local elections.



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User currently offlineCfalk From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 10, posted (12 years 5 months 1 week 4 days 16 hours ago) and read 867 times:

Apparently some people like the idea of professional politicians. I don't. Look at these guys like Ted Kennedy and others... they make laws about all aspects of your life, but have never had to earn a buck themselves. They play games in cigar-filled rooms with your future, knowing that because they themselves make the rules, their salaries, benefits and perks will always be safe. All they have to do is to keep getting re-elected, and again, they help each other out through pork-barrel scams. "You vote for my bridge and I'll vote for your dam". When you add it all up for nearly 600 congressmen, that is a lot of pork.

You take away the incentive for such irresponsibility, and more responsible people will want to go - for a while. All the people I know that I thought would make good elected public servants have no desire to run for election. Why is that. All the ones who do want to run for such office are scum (those that I've met.

Charles


User currently offlineJcxp15 From United States of America, joined Jun 2001, 997 posts, RR: 5
Reply 11, posted (12 years 5 months 1 week 4 days 10 hours ago) and read 858 times:

Term limits are fairly new (FDR). Most presidents just stepped down after their 2 terms (Roosevelt's mistake), sort of like a gentleman's rule.

User currently offlineMetwrench From United States of America, joined Aug 2001, 750 posts, RR: 2
Reply 12, posted (12 years 5 months 1 week 4 days 4 hours ago) and read 847 times:

That should be, "at the very most" a local issue.

I won't vote for it!

Can't stand someone telling me not to vote for someone I support!


User currently offlineJessman From United States of America, joined Jul 2001, 1506 posts, RR: 7
Reply 13, posted (12 years 5 months 1 week 4 days 4 hours ago) and read 842 times:

Term limits will take away the right to re-elect who we want. Yes, we do re-elect some real duds but we would not be able to re-elect a real winner. Please, don't protect us from ourselves.

The point of government is to protect us from ourselves. The idea is that we cannot control ourselves and we don't know what is good for us so we need legislature to tell us right from wrong and how to live.
That having been said, I haven't made up my mind on term limits.


User currently offlineAir2gxs From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 14, posted (12 years 5 months 1 week 4 days 1 hour ago) and read 837 times:

Term limits will probably go away as unconstitutional. They prohibit the citizens from voting for a particular candidate just because he has "achieved" the maximum amount of terms.

Granted we routinely re-elect morons. But if we re-elect, who is the moron?

The way to make term limits legal is to add the offices affected to the constitution as an amendment. As the 22nd amendments limits the term of the President. This gets around the constitutional issue.


User currently offlineD L X From United States of America, joined May 1999, 11269 posts, RR: 52
Reply 15, posted (12 years 5 months 1 week 3 days 19 hours ago) and read 818 times:

"Unfortunately, not enough people exercise that privelage[sic] [of voting], and when they do, they seem to vote for the best-sounding names (in local/state elections), and don't do any homework on candidates. "

The irony in this statement is that with term limits, you force the public to vote for a new unknown candidate more often. If the public doesn't "do their homework" when voting for incumbents, what makes you think they'll do their homework for an unknown?

Term limits are an awful thing, brought on by a public swayed by "conspiracy theory mentality" and a general distrust of the government. (Except for their own congressman, who of course is the only good congressman in Congress.) Think about how illogical this is: *some* politicians are bad. *Some* politicians are corrupt. *Some* politicians are out of touch with the public. Therefore, we will get rid of *any* and *all* politicians that have served more than x years.

Even the idea that term limits will bring on fresh new ideas is flawed. You have one of two possible situations: the incumbent has fresh (good) ideas, or the incumbent has stale (bad) ideas. In the former, obviously, the incumbent is doing his job to stay current, and should not be removed for a job well done. In the latter, if he's really not performing, the free market on politicians will produce another candidate to either replace him, or send a message to get with current though.


"Granted we routinely re-elect morons. But if we re-elect, who is the moron? "
Very well said.



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User currently offlineSuperfly From Thailand, joined May 2000, 39852 posts, RR: 74
Reply 16, posted (12 years 5 months 1 week 3 days 17 hours ago) and read 814 times:

Interesting how the pro-term limits crowd never mentioned term limits on PACs, and corporate sponsors of politicians. Keep in mind, most elected officials are puppets and are disposable. The establishment can easily find a candidate to run and represent their interest. The only answer to this is campaign finance reform I know that's opening another can of worms .

I am glad that the US Supreme Court struck down a State's ability to limit terms of Federal representatives. That would require a Constitutional Amendment.


D L X:
Actually I am not that crazy about my Congressman (Tom Lantos)
Barbara Lee speaks for me.  Smile



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User currently offlineDesertJets From United States of America, joined Feb 2000, 7776 posts, RR: 16
Reply 17, posted (12 years 5 months 1 week 3 days 16 hours ago) and read 807 times:

DLX and Superfly, y'all hit it on the head.

Regardless of who sits in the office, more often than not the same interests are backing them.

I really don't see what term limits really accomplish. The same types of people get elected regardless of term limitations.

I do not know why people have problems with career politicians. I find it admirable when people dedicate their lives to public service. They sure could make a helluva lot more money in the private sector. People who come into office from the private sector bring in their own interests and more often than not use their office to benefit themselves, their industry, their friends.



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User currently offlineTWAL1011 From United States of America, joined Nov 2003, 205 posts, RR: 1
Reply 18, posted (12 years 5 months 1 week 2 days 19 hours ago) and read 792 times:

Jessman said:

The point of government is to protect us from ourselves. The idea is that we cannot control ourselves and we don't know what is good for us so we need legislature to tell us right from wrong and how to live.

That was meant as a joke, right? Please tell me you're joking.

Awaiting your response...


User currently offlineTWAL1011 From United States of America, joined Nov 2003, 205 posts, RR: 1
Reply 19, posted (12 years 5 months 1 week 2 days 19 hours ago) and read 789 times:

Cfalk said:

I think professional politicians, who have no other job than politics, is a bad thing. We should bring citizens back into government. Doctors, engineers, managers, lawyers, common workmen and women who decide to take a sabbatical from their profession, and serve their country. After their stint in government, they go home and go back to work.

You know, I can't think of anything I've read in this forum that I've ever agreed with more. Very well said.


User currently offlineBruno From United States of America, joined Jan 2000, 853 posts, RR: 3
Reply 20, posted (12 years 5 months 1 week 2 days 15 hours ago) and read 776 times:

I certainly hope Jessman was joking or he is too embarassed to defend that statement.

I don't like career politicians nor do I like short term politicians. I guess I just don't like politicians.



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User currently offlineTWAL1011 From United States of America, joined Nov 2003, 205 posts, RR: 1
Reply 21, posted (12 years 5 months 1 week 2 days 13 hours ago) and read 772 times:

I guess Jessman is looking for a government official to tell him what to say.

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