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My WesternDigital 250GB Has Crashed!  
User currently offlinePoadrim From Norway, joined Oct 2008, 173 posts, RR: 0
Posted (5 years 11 months 6 days 11 hours ago) and read 2121 times:
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HELP! I mean Hi,

I have all my stuff on my WB 250GB harddrive. I am running Ubuntu 8.10 and i cant mount in in either MS or Ubuntu, any clues to help me restore my data?

//Poadrim


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User currently offlineKlaus From Germany, joined Jul 2001, 21487 posts, RR: 53
Reply 1, posted (5 years 11 months 6 days 11 hours ago) and read 2113 times:

Use your backup.

User currently offlineAircraftGeek From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 2, posted (5 years 11 months 6 days 11 hours ago) and read 2101 times:

http://www.ontrackdatarecovery.com/

and a few € 1000

Been there, done that.


User currently offlineDavid L From United Kingdom, joined May 1999, 9524 posts, RR: 42
Reply 3, posted (5 years 11 months 6 days 11 hours ago) and read 2099 times:



Quoting Klaus (Reply 1):
Use your backup.

yeah... next time.  Smile


User currently offlineWithaK From Australia, joined Apr 2007, 255 posts, RR: 0
Reply 4, posted (5 years 11 months 6 days 10 hours ago) and read 2084 times:

Same thing happened to me a while ago. As long as only part of the hard drive is affected you should be able to get to your data. I used a version of Knoppix that loaded directly from a CD or DVD (I can't remember which) to get the the data on the corrupted hard drive. I then transferred all my data onto an external hard drive, bought a new hard drive and reinstalled Windows. This may or may not work for you but best of luck with whatever you try.

The biggest lesson I took out of the whole ordeal was to keep a back-up although right now I'm sure you don't need to here that.  duck 

Good luck.

Kris


User currently offlinePoadrim From Norway, joined Oct 2008, 173 posts, RR: 0
Reply 5, posted (5 years 11 months 6 days 10 hours ago) and read 2085 times:
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Don't have one! Any other ideas?


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User currently offlinePhoenix9 From Canada, joined Aug 2007, 2546 posts, RR: 8
Reply 6, posted (5 years 11 months 6 days 10 hours ago) and read 2074 times:

Try plugging it in into an external HD enclosure. I did that for one of my hard drives and was able to recover most of the stuff.


On a side note: how much porn did u actually loose?  Silly



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User currently offlinePoadrim From Norway, joined Oct 2008, 173 posts, RR: 0
Reply 7, posted (5 years 11 months 6 days 8 hours ago) and read 2007 times:
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Thanks for that Mr North of everything Wink No porn at all, keep all that in dvd-backups bigthumbsup 

Did a forgett to say that is is a portable HD? I hope there is some type of software to force the HD to run, just so long i can backup all info...?

//Cheers  airplane 



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User currently offlineWinglet From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 8, posted (5 years 11 months 6 days 8 hours ago) and read 1995 times:

been there done that. always have a backup of the backup. You can recover with software or sending to an outside company.

User currently offlineAverageUser From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 9, posted (5 years 11 months 6 days 8 hours ago) and read 1989 times:

There is a reasonable chance that only the USB converter electronics in your external drive is gone, so you might want to try the hard drive in a different enclosure, of PATA-type most likely in your case.
I was once brought an external drive where a voltage spike at the power supply of the enclosure has short-circuited a capacitor on the hard drive itself, and that was fixable. Not that my client had learned too much from his lucky escape, he went on to test his luck with his new Mac, and lost his own music production three months after. While Apple replaced the disk, but I could only refer him to those expensive HD specialists for a rescue of all that data.


User currently offlineType-Rated From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 10, posted (5 years 11 months 6 days 7 hours ago) and read 1971 times:

It amazes me that in this day and age most people with computers never consider backing their systems up. And a lot of them never consider how important their data can be.
Last Christmas I gave everyone in my family a 250GB USB drive. Believe it or not, not everyone has used them.
Who do you think they'll call when they get a system crash?


User currently offlineDougloid From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 11, posted (5 years 11 months 6 days 7 hours ago) and read 1965 times:



Quoting Klaus (Reply 1):
Use your backup

That's right. Brother Klaus made a believer out of me-that and a close brush with death that barely averted a system crash and loss of three years work.

Klaus, when the standby hard drive starts getting pretty loaded up is there such a thing as emptying it and starting with a new fresh backup? Is there a reason for doing this? My standby is nearly maxed out with archives.


User currently offlineKlaus From Germany, joined Jul 2001, 21487 posts, RR: 53
Reply 12, posted (5 years 11 months 6 days 7 hours ago) and read 1957 times:



Quoting Type-Rated (Reply 10):
It amazes me that in this day and age most people with computers never consider backing their systems up. And a lot of them never consider how important their data can be.

The main reason is not that people don't value their data, it's that the procedure of actually making the backup is usually tedious and intransparent to most people. Even most people who would consider themselves proficient in current IT often don't really have a working backup strategy.

It is one reason why for most people something like the Time Machine mechanism in MacOS X is a rather large step in the right direction. Not perfect, but easy and even fun enough to become a normal part of computing for regular people.


To the original poster: There are the following layers of disaster to this:

• Recover from a backup.

• Cautiously check for the reason why the drive won't mount (DO NOT attempt any writing operations on the drive before you're reasonably sure the hardware is okay!)

• If the hardware seems busted, try to resurrect it if you can (see Average User's idea above, among other things). If the actual harddisk won't be recognized in a different enclosure or a different computer, your only hope may be professional recovery specialists (expensive!).

• If the hardware seems okay, try (or have a reasonably capable helper try) to find out how much of the logical structure of the disk is damaged and if there are options for recovery (reconstruction of the partitioning information, reconstruction of the entire file system).

All of this can become quite time-consuming and/or potentially (very) expensive.

Backups are easy and cheap by comparison.


User currently offlinePhoenix9 From Canada, joined Aug 2007, 2546 posts, RR: 8
Reply 13, posted (5 years 11 months 6 days 6 hours ago) and read 1948 times:

Try this: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Sleuth_Kit

Follow the link in this wikipedia article to download the software. It might work.



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User currently offlineKlaus From Germany, joined Jul 2001, 21487 posts, RR: 53
Reply 14, posted (5 years 11 months 6 days 6 hours ago) and read 1948 times:



Quoting Dougloid (Reply 11):
Klaus, when the standby hard drive starts getting pretty loaded up is there such a thing as emptying it and starting with a new fresh backup? Is there a reason for doing this? My standby is nearly maxed out with archives.

It depends on how you're using it.

If you've trained yourself to regularly add new backup archives to the existing ones, you could ask yourself what your priorities would be.

You could either just delete the oldest archive(s) if you're running out of space or if you prefer some insurance against accidental deletions you could "thin out" the older archives from daily to weekly to monthly to annually... (Time Machine automatically makes hourly backups within a day, then thins them out to daily ones for a month, then thins those out to weekly ones until the disk is full, at which point the oldest ones will automatically be "recycled"; It's a reasonable scheme for an automatic mechanism.)

One thing to consider would be that harddisks do actually age as well, so I would "retire" an older backup drive eventually, with its data intact. In an extreme emergency it still wouldn't hurt to have a "historical archive" at hand, even if its recovery might be a bit dicey after years.

Of course backup drives can fail as well, so alternating backups between drives can add another layer of security, as will storage in separate, protected locations.

It is of course important to be watchful that you can actually still connect a given backup drive to a new computer and that any archiving software used still runs on the new one. Otherwise you could lose all your backups simply to obsolescence of the hardware and software used to create them in the first place.


User currently offlineAverageUser From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 15, posted (5 years 11 months 5 days 23 hours ago) and read 1882 times:

If I had anything I wanted to keep for posterity, I'd get several external drives and use a simple cloning software, such as xxclone (free for personal use) or DiscWizard (available free for Seagate and Maxtor hard drive components from Seagate). I'd make the target bootable as well so there is a "tepid" spare disk available at all times.

User currently offlineGuitrThree From United States of America, joined Oct 2004, 2056 posts, RR: 8
Reply 16, posted (5 years 11 months 5 days 23 hours ago) and read 1880 times:

Funny thing about Backups...

Carbonite and others have a great online backup service. However, I use Comcast, which now has a 250GB per month cap.

If I back everything up and need it when/if my system crashes, I'd exceed the cap recovering my data. Wonder how this is going to work???



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User currently offlineLuv2cattlecall From United States of America, joined Sep 2007, 1650 posts, RR: 2
Reply 17, posted (5 years 11 months 5 days 21 hours ago) and read 1870 times:
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Quoting GuitrThree (Reply 16):
Funny thing about Backups...

Carbonite and others have a great online backup service. However, I use Comcast, which now has a 250GB per month cap.

If I back everything up and need it when/if my system crashes, I'd exceed the cap recovering my data. Wonder how this is going to work???

Online backup services for anything over 5 gigs total are a huge worthless PITA!

Super important files/docs, I have backed up onto a thumb drive that I keep in a safe at the GF's sister's house (across the country...more of a cushion if something huge happened)...everything else, I backed up onto a 500gb HDD that I bought for $50 and I put that within the gap of concrete block.

One huge problem w/backing up large amounts of data is that uploading takes 4x+ longer vs. downloading, and 250gb will literally take a few weeks to upload!

Do yourself a favor and grab a cheap HDD on black friday!



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User currently offlineDougloid From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 18, posted (5 years 11 months 5 days 21 hours ago) and read 1864 times:



Quoting AverageUser (Reply 15):
If I had anything I wanted to keep for posterity, I'd get several external drives and use a simple cloning software, such as xxclone (free for personal use) or DiscWizard (available free for Seagate and Maxtor hard drive components from Seagate). I'd make the target bootable as well so there is a "tepid" spare disk available at all times.

Come to think of it I've still got the 40 gb hard drive I pulled out when I upgraded to a 160gb internal. I guess I could clone what I've got right now and archive it before I start emptying the auxiliary hard drive.

A project for tomorrow.


User currently offlineRoadrunner165 From United States of America, joined Oct 2000, 876 posts, RR: 9
Reply 19, posted (5 years 11 months 5 days 21 hours ago) and read 1853 times:

This thread persuaded me to buy a Time Capsule for my macbook. Thanks.

Adam


User currently offlineAg92 From India, joined Jul 2006, 1317 posts, RR: 0
Reply 20, posted (5 years 11 months 5 days 14 hours ago) and read 1811 times:

Use MozyPro next time, that way you won't have to worry about taking backups and they are all uploaded on their own

User currently offlineKlaus From Germany, joined Jul 2001, 21487 posts, RR: 53
Reply 21, posted (5 years 11 months 5 days 12 hours ago) and read 1800 times:

You should all be aware that most online backup services have rather low security standards. In most cases the data transfer can easily be intercepted.

Completely ignoring the issue of trustworthiness of the providers themselves and the security of their data centers (if they even have ones of their own instead of just renting space from other providers).


User currently offlineDougloid From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 22, posted (5 years 11 months 5 days 10 hours ago) and read 1774 times:



Quoting Klaus (Reply 21):
You should all be aware that most online backup services have rather low security standards. In most cases the data transfer can easily be intercepted.

That's pretty interesting Klaus-as usual your observations are acute. It confirms what I've always thought about the wisdom and utility of autonomy and self reliance in all things-as far as one is able.


User currently offlineGuitrThree From United States of America, joined Oct 2004, 2056 posts, RR: 8
Reply 23, posted (5 years 11 months 5 days 3 hours ago) and read 1734 times:



Quoting Luv2cattlecall (Reply 17):
Do yourself a favor and grab a cheap HDD on black friday!

I do have one. Well, two, about 750GB's worth. And they both are used for both space and backups. However, fire, or the heat/smoke/water from the fire can damage those. Putting it in between the gap of a concrete block won't make me feel any better. That's why large corporations that care about their data ALL have OFF SITE backup storage and servers.

They are great for system crashes, but save nothing if fire/flood/or theft occurs.



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User currently offlineAverageUser From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 24, posted (5 years 11 months 5 days 2 hours ago) and read 1723 times:

If anyone's worried about personal security, I can warmly recommend this product: http://www.jetico.com/bcrypt8.htm It creates transparently accessible secure containers that you can send over unsafe networks, or stuff your HDs with. So simple that even an average person like myself was a go in minutes!

25 Tugger : So are we now into a time when even home back-ups should be done in RAID array? Is there a home version of a RAID? Perhaps it would just be a junctio
26 Gigneil : I just keep everything important on a RAID array in the first place... and then I back up everything on my primary spindle to it. NS
27 Airbuske : What kind of HD interface is it? IDE, SATA, SCSI etc?
28 NorthStarDC4M : OK here's a couple last shot options: 1) put the drive in the freezer for an hour or so. IF the head bearing is bad this might let it run for awhile.
29 Klaus : That is extremely bad advice without tight qualifications. If the drive's hardware is actually okay and there has just been a software problem overwr
30 Post contains images Poadrim : Hi, Well I have tried on three different computers with two different O/S (XP, Ubuntu) and I only get this message when tried to open:
31 AverageUser : I actually have been able to rescue quite a few drives by that method. My first success was a ST225N from a Mac in the early 1990s. I don't know wher
32 Klaus : And it can damage ones whose hardware is actually still healthy; That was my point. I personally would try a non-destructive low-level diagnostic sof
33 AverageUser : LL always fails if the drive won't spin up at all or goes clickety-click at boot. Cooling down is no risk if done properly (see above), but I'd not t
34 Klaus : Yeah, in such a case it's down to the heavier hardware measures. (Provided the drive isn't just configured to remain stopped after power-up, waiting
35 AverageUser : ATA drives as typically used in PCs will exit their sleep state after power-up or reset and will always begin with the "alert" state, unlike SCSI driv
36 Alfa75 : I have a Maxtor 250GB external drive that now says I have to format it when I want to see what I am supposed to have in it! I figure I shouldn't forma
37 AverageUser : Alfa75, sorry to hear about your trouble. Which computer and what operating system are you attempting to use your drive in? Have you been successful b
38 Alfa75 : Dell Inspiron 600m, XP Home. It was working fine one day and then the next it didn't. When it powers up it sounds like the disk is spinning.
39 Gkirk : There's yer problem
40 AverageUser : I'm puzzled why there should be a message to the effect of formatting the HD in XP. Anyway, the same advice should apply - the first step is to try an
41 Alfa75 : I downloaded a program from Maxtor who makes my hard drive. I scans the disk to see if there are any salvageable files on it and lets you preview them
42 AverageUser : If that software will be able to see your files, then any decent software will, so you might want to shop around in the net and save $100 or so. This
43 Dougloid : I'll be interested in hearing about how this works. AverageUser makes a good point to make haste while the sun shines, so to speak.
44 Post contains links AverageUser : I normally use a really old version (DOS-based) of Ghost for cloning. It supports SATA and USB enclosures as well despite its age. "Raw" cloning is an
45 Poadrim : Hello, again! I have now tried with "dd_rhelp" in Ubuntu 8.10. But no good =/ I have another question now, is it possible to access the disk and recov
46 AverageUser : Yes and no. If you do a raw sector-by-sector copy on another disk without any hard errors, with skill, time and the right tools you may be able to an
47 Poadrim : Yes, there might be a Dr PC Nerd that might help me out, but I feel that I would to try myself first, think maybe that I have been using my friends he
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