StasisLAX From United States of America, joined Jul 2007, 3273 posts, RR: 6 Posted (5 years 2 weeks 3 days 6 hours ago) and read 4558 times:
OK, maybe "ugly" is too strong of a word. Let me just say that I think the Panamera is as almost as unattractive as the Cayenne SUV from the looks of these just-released official photos from Porsche.
2010 Porsche Panamera Sedan - side view
The entry-level front-engine RWD sedan has a lengthy hood with a short rear overhang, a rear hatch door instead of a traditional trunk lid with 911 styling, a front fascia that resembles a cross between the 911 and the Cayenne, and an interior that is rumored to feature four high-back bucket seats. The rear seat fold down for additional cargo space.
2010 Porsche Panamera Sedan - frontquarter view
The Panamera is expected to have the following specifications:
Overall length: 16 feet (longer than the current BMW 5-series!)
Width: 6.25 feet
Height: 56 inches
Weight: 4100 lbs.
2010 Porsche Panamera Sedan - rearquarter view
Under the hood, the Panamera will be powered by V6 and V8 engines ranging from 300 hp to 500 hp. Some of these engines will use turbochargers and direct-injection; the basic engines pieces will be sourced from VW/Audi with some Porsche sourced secondary parts. All-wheel drive along with "enhanced" V8 power (supercharged and/or turbocharged) will be standard on the top-end Panamera "S" model, and optional on lower-trim-level models. Six-speed manual or the seven-speed PDK dual-clutch transmissions will be offered.
Porsche will assemble the Panamera at its Leipzig, Germany, plant using body shells built and painted at a Volkswagen plant in Hanover and engines from Porsche's plant in Zuffenhausen. Pricing estimates are set at $100,000 - $150,000 while the 500 horsepower Panamera "S" will be priced near $200K USD.
2010 Porsche Panamera Sedan - rear view
Porsche said it has a worldwide sales target of 20,000 Panameras a year.The Porsche Panamera 5-door sedan will make its public debut at the 2009 Geneva motor show.
WILCO737 From Greenland, joined Jun 2004, 8763 posts, RR: 77 Reply 3, posted (5 years 2 weeks 3 days 6 hours ago) and read 4535 times:
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It looks weird. They tried to let it look like the usual Porsche, but somehow it didn't look right. The front is like the usual Porsche, but starting from the middle it just looks weird. I guess the seats aren't too comfortable, still looks tight back there and the windows are tiny...
Greaser From Bahamas, joined Jan 2004, 1086 posts, RR: 4 Reply 5, posted (5 years 2 weeks 3 days 5 hours ago) and read 4483 times:
Anyone with $200K to throw around at the moment would move right over to the Lambo Estoque. 500hp is nothing nowadays. The CTS V has more than 550, and it's $60K, with 4 doors, and a good Nürburgring time. Porsche has the badge. But at this price level, the only people interested would be engineers, mathematicians, accountants...the estoque's got it. this hasn't. Why are they so adament in stretching a 911 to all sorts of dimensions? Why can't they break out and design a whole new look?
Columba From Germany, joined Dec 2004, 6992 posts, RR: 4 Reply 7, posted (5 years 2 weeks 3 days 5 hours ago) and read 4469 times:
I would not call it ugly but also not attractive either.
I guess it will find its customers who can prove themselves that they have the money to buy it (or lease it) instead of buying a Mercedes AMG/Brabus ....and if I look at some of those tuned Brabus Mercedes cars I think the Porsche looks much better.
Either way I am not in the market for such a car.......
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Francoflier From France, joined Oct 2001, 3514 posts, RR: 11 Reply 8, posted (5 years 2 weeks 3 days 4 hours ago) and read 4416 times:
Quoting Greaser (Reply 5): But at this price level, the only people interested would be engineers, mathematicians, accountants...
How much exactly do you think engineers, mathematicians and accountants make?
I think you meant lawyers and plastic surgeons (I was going to include high street brokers, but they're all bankrupt now...).
Quoting Greaser (Reply 5): Why can't they break out and design a whole new look?
Good question. Probably because Porsche is all about that particular design and they fear people would react strongly against a new Porsche styling saying it's not a proper Porsche anymore? If you ask me, neither the Cayenne nor that thing are anyway.
Quoting N328KF (Reply 6): I think the thing to think about is, if it was the exact same car, but badged as something other than a 'Porsche,' people would love it. This goes for the Cayenne too.
Actually, I believe in the opposite. These cars are bland and aesthetically not edgy at all. The only reason they sell so much (at least the Cayenne) is because of the badge and the associated hype.
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Lowrider From United States of America, joined Jun 2004, 3220 posts, RR: 10 Reply 9, posted (5 years 2 weeks 3 days 3 hours ago) and read 4402 times:
I like the looks. But I also think the Shorts isn't a bad looking airplane. It just doesn't strike me as very practical. Porsche should have just designed a wagon from a clean sheet and been done with it, if that was the objective. Still, if it didn't cost more than my house I would consider it.
FLY2HMO From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR: Reply 11, posted (5 years 2 weeks 3 days 3 hours ago) and read 4375 times:
Quoting WILCO737 (Reply 3): They tried to let it look like the usual Porsche, but somehow it didn't look right.
I agree. It's not bad looking until you see the last rear 3rd of the car (starting from the rear axle then backwards). Like if you cover the ass of the car in the picture with your hand it looks just fine. But they had to force the Porsche look on its ass and it looks hideous. A small trunk lid like in a proper sports sedan would've been much better.
StasisLAX From United States of America, joined Jul 2007, 3273 posts, RR: 6 Reply 12, posted (5 years 2 weeks 3 days 3 hours ago) and read 4376 times:
Quoting WILCO737 (Reply 3): It looks weird. They tried to let it look like the usual Porsche, but somehow it didn't look right. The front is like the usual Porsche, but starting from the middle it just looks weird. I guess the seats aren't too comfortable, still looks tight back there and the windows are tiny...
A friend of mine said that she felt that the proportions of the Panamera "are all wrong" and that the car looks like "a dachshound" because of the overly long wheelbase
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T1210s From United Kingdom, joined Aug 2004, 171 posts, RR: 0 Reply 18, posted (5 years 2 weeks 2 days 23 hours ago) and read 4287 times:
Quoting Marquis (Reply 17): Porsche definately lost the battle of the luxury 4 door coupés between the Lamborghini Estoque and the Aston Martin Rapide. What an ugly car compared to the timeless and classy beauty of a 911
Too right the lambo is one of the best looking coupes ever
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Thorben From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR: Reply 19, posted (5 years 2 weeks 2 days 22 hours ago) and read 4255 times:
Quoting Marquis (Reply 17): Porsche definately lost the battle of the luxury 4 door coupés between the Lamborghini Estoque and the Aston Martin Rapide. What an ugly car compared to the timeless and classy beauty of a 911.
None of those has even entered the market, but Porsche has already "definately lost the battle". What does it take to "win" the battle? Sales figures? Turnover? Profits? Wait until 2020, then we can see who had what success with the cars. Porsche came up with the Cayenne, ugly car, dumb name, ridiculous fuel consumption - and they sold herds of them.
NA From Germany, joined Dec 1999, 10054 posts, RR: 11 Reply 22, posted (5 years 2 weeks 2 days 19 hours ago) and read 4121 times:
Its not that bad as some say here, but I agree its no match for its beautiful rival, the Aston Martin Rapide. Some details, like the side-skirts, are not good.
Much much better though than the truly tasteless gas-guzzler Cayenne (a German magazine tested the Cayenne Turbo the most fuel-thirsty car below the Bugatti Veyron), which sadly still found many tasteless "nouveau rich" customers.
Charles79 From Puerto Rico, joined Mar 2007, 1315 posts, RR: 5 Reply 23, posted (5 years 2 weeks 2 days 18 hours ago) and read 4105 times:
It will sell. Definitely not my taste (I prefer small hatchbacks) but I do appreciate that it's something different, meaning a 5-door with folding rear seats instead of yet another 4-door saloon. It's not ugly but it's not elegant either.
Now what I would seriously consider is a 5-door version in the size of the 3-Series. IMO that could be a big seller as a nimble, smaller version of the Panamera, and with smaller proportions the "bottle" design of the 911 might even work to make it look agile. Price it at $45K and it would sell well.
Greaser From Bahamas, joined Jan 2004, 1086 posts, RR: 4 Reply 24, posted (5 years 2 weeks 2 days 18 hours ago) and read 4102 times:
Quoting Francoflier (Reply 8): How much exactly do you think engineers, mathematicians and accountants make?
I was trying to make a point about the stereotypical people who would love a porsche. To them it's what's beneath the skin....
also, a flying spur retails at US$170,990...195mph top speed, and it's a bentley! I'm not saying this car won't do well, because it probably will. It's just that, for God's sake for that money there are much nicer cars available. The only thing I'll grant the Porsche is that it might very well be a good track car.
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25 OlegShv: Panamera reminds me of classic Saab hatchbacks. IIRC, the guy who designed this car actually used to work for Saab back in the day.
26 KiwiRob: A person who buys one of these probably has a GT3 or at least a 911 for running around the track, I very much doubt anyone would buy one as a track c
27 Cptkrell: Dead mackerel in the moonlight. It shines but it stinks. It's just very, very difficult to retain sports car flavor on a package such as this and have
28 Superfly: It's a gas-guzzling vehicle that contributes to greenhouse gases and will leave a large carbon foorprint! Oh wait, it's not an American car so I guess
29 Lowrider: Some of the beauty lies beneath the skin.
30 NA: ?????? Of cause its not exactly whats needed these days, but its a luxury car and will sell in relatively small numbers. It doesnt matter much if som
31 Pyrex: Anyone find it ironic that Porsche now own Lamborghini? Anyway, I hope Porsche is smart enough to kill the Estoque, one of the ugliest cars I have se
32 StasisLAX: The front end of the Lambo Estoque reminds me of the first-generation Oldsmobile Aurora. I'm just sayin'!!!!
33 Marquis: Sorry for being not precise there, albeit sarcasm taken from your words, but of course my statement was in terms of appearance.
34 Superfly: Nothing beautiful about that car. It's ugly as hell! I wont never single you out for being German. I have nothing against the German people. Germany
35 A332: Note to Porsche: Americans Don't Like Hatchbacks!!
36 WunalaYann: Good one!! Mind you, be careful what you wish for, they might decide to build a diesel car... Except that the Porsche is not a coupé nor a sedan. It
37 Superfly: Doesn't matter, the Porsche Panamera Sedan is a gas-guzzler! I have to rain on the unveiling of this car's parade. It's my duty. Regardless of how ma
38 StasisLAX: Umm, guys..... there WILL be a diesel powered Panamera offered in 2010 as well as a hybrid version. "Next year around March Porsche will launch a die
39 Aerobalance: ...And the cheapest way to give a car value is how you bend the exterior sheet metal, bend it the right way and most people will drool all over it no
40 Bill142: Ugly it may be, but to the Porsche enthusiast or boy racer, who's wife won't let him buy an 911 because he can't take the kids anywhere, and because
41 Columba: In a few months we will see this car staying in front of the house of a hip hop star on MTV painted in orange or neon green with spinning rims and sue
42 JJJ: A diesel Porsche..... well I think I read somewhere that's the first sign of the Armageddon.
43 Superfly: WTF? That is crazy talk! In other words, this is a car for pu$$ywh!pped chumps that have zero say over how his money is spent. Also chump cars! As mu
44 Molykote: I don't think it's a bad looking car but the Maserati Quattroporte is prettier. I like fact that the Panamera only has 4 seats as I'd much rather seat
45 Bok269: I wouldn't say that. Porsche and Lamborghini are different animals, the first being a relatively mass-market sports car manufacturer and Lamborghini
46 Pyrex: Please, no! I saw a bright yellow Rolls Royce convertible, newest model (Corniche?), with a black engine bay cover, this weekend and my eyes are stil
47 MAH4546: The volume they are expecting does not go with those estimates. It's clear that those estimates are likely for foreign markets converted to U.S. doll
48 StasisLAX: I think your suggestion that prices will start in the mid-$60K USD range is VERY optimistic. According to Edmund's Inside Line: "Prices in Europe are
49 Francoflier: I know... Talk about the proverbial nail in the coffin... Noble duty, that of yours, Superfly. Although I don't overly worry about the damaging effec
50 MAH4546: It might be optimistic, but, at max, the car will probably start in the $70's. You can't simply convert prices into U.S. dollars. I'm not doubting th
51 747400sp: It not Ugly! It just has a different look.
52 StasisLAX: "Porsche says it has decided to switch the debut of the Panamera four-door coupe to the 2009 Shanghai auto show next April from the Geneva show in ea
53 Asuflyer05: The Panamera will be a great car for Porsche guys to buy there wife for their birthdays. Especially if they don't need something the size of the Cayen
54 WunalaYann: And he takes it very seriously, be assured. Let's meet sometime in September next year when the economy begins to recover and you will see oil prices
55 Superfly: Damn right! So you would agree that obnoxious gas-guzzlers such as the Porsche Panamera Sedan should cease production, right?
56 WunalaYann: I never said Detroit should stop producing fuel-guzzlers. I said they should stop pinning their hopes (aka staking all their profit margins) on fuel-
57 Superfly: I always felt that GM has done a poor job in marketing their economy cars. You already know how strong I feel about the Ford Fiesta diesel that needs
58 WunalaYann: Ah, the beauty of consensus. A glass-half-full way to look at the current recession is that it might help delay, or even maybe cancel the launch of s
59 Luv2fly: Not being a car buff by any stretch of the imagination I have to say I like it.