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How Can India Win Its War On Terror  
User currently offlineHAWK21M From India, joined Jan 2001, 31684 posts, RR: 56
Posted (5 years 9 months 3 weeks 2 days 14 hours ago) and read 3721 times:

With India being struck by terror every 20-30 days.The citizens are asking the question.How can India win its war on terror.
Some answers were:-
1.Improve Intelligence collection.
2.Attack the Terror camps accross the border.
3.Fight a war.
4.Get Countries sponsoring terror to come in line & cooperate.

Any suggestions,currently point 1&2 seem the best option. #2 will lead to #3 & #4 has never worked.

regds
MEL


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User currently offlineTAZA From United States of America, joined Feb 2007, 38 posts, RR: 0
Reply 1, posted (5 years 9 months 3 weeks 2 days 14 hours ago) and read 3716 times:

I don't believe the "War On Terror" can or will be won by anyone. There are simply too many
religious fanatics, political grievances, cultural differences, geopolitical shades, income
levels etc. that contribute to the creation of individual or group dissatisfaction that can and
will give rise to outbursts of violence.



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User currently offlineDougloid From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 2, posted (5 years 9 months 3 weeks 2 days 14 hours ago) and read 3705 times:

MEL, today we're all Indians and our hearts and our sympathies go out to your folks.

I think that if you've been the victims-I hate that word, by the way, it says weakness-of a large scale terrorist attack as India has on numerous occasions in the past few years, what it communicates is that no matter what our political and cultural differences, there is a commonality of interest that I am quite sure the next administration is taking quite seriously.

There's a theme here in the attacks that we've seen over the years that experience suggests
is hard to deny the existence of. Good intel, massive firepower when it's warranted, and technological advantage may not convince the mujahideen to lay down their arms and beat their swords into plowshares, but it can damn sure let them know that the cost of their delusion is going to be very high, indeed.

You folks have a particular problem with the fellows across the border and that is that they've got the bomb.


User currently offlineME AVN FAN From Switzerland, joined May 2002, 13920 posts, RR: 25
Reply 3, posted (5 years 9 months 3 weeks 2 days 13 hours ago) and read 3659 times:



Quoting HAWK21M (Thread starter):
2 seem the best option

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not really, as you can be sure that there are various bases in question. Just to attack one of the bases will give more relative strength to the others. Beside the point that I am a bit surprised how easily such terrorists apparently can move deeply into and move out of your gigantic country.
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And, before considering "outside" bases, it is to be investigated whether there are bases in close proximity to big cities like Mumbai, Delhi, Bangalore, Chennai/Madras etc.
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It may also be necessary to re-check whether the naval controls done by coastguard and navy are up to present-day requirements.


User currently offlineMoose135 From United States of America, joined Oct 2004, 2321 posts, RR: 10
Reply 4, posted (5 years 9 months 3 weeks 2 days 12 hours ago) and read 3632 times:



Quoting TAZA (Reply 1):
I don't believe the "War On Terror" can or will be won by anyone. There are simply too many religious fanatics, political grievances, cultural differences, geopolitical shades, income levels etc. that contribute to the creation of individual or group dissatisfaction that can and will give rise to outbursts of violence.

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You hear our leaders talk about the "War on Terror" as if "Terror" is an enemy that can be defeated. Terrorism is a weapon used by different groups in an attempt to gain control, oppose someone else who is in control, and make their presence know. We can no sooner win a "War on Terror" than we could win a "War on Laser-Guided-Bombs".

That said, my thoughts and prayers are with those effected by this tragedy.



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User currently offlineQXatFAT From Israel, joined Feb 2006, 2404 posts, RR: 5
Reply 5, posted (5 years 9 months 3 weeks 2 days 11 hours ago) and read 3610 times:

Sorry to hear about and read about the things in India. My thoughts and prayers go out to all there.

How can India win?

Well you cant. No country can win a "War On Terror". All you can do is have better inteligence maybe and try to be more active on getting into some of these camps set up in your own country as well as neighbors. The challenge, the neighbors wanting to work together.



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User currently offlineImiakhtar From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 6, posted (5 years 9 months 3 weeks 2 days 9 hours ago) and read 3577 times:



Quoting HAWK21M (Thread starter):
How can India win its war on terror.

In my honest opinion Mel, none of the points you posted will result in victory. I believe that in order to root out the problem, you need to go to the heart of the issue that is Kashmir. Only once this issue has been solved ( UN plebiscite) can you start to weed out the extremists.

In a strange sense, Pakistan is facing very similar dilemma, how does it crush the Taliban Teletubbies in the NWFP? I think we'll both agree, that the policy of collective punishment pursued by the Pak govt, and ISAF are doing more harm than good. For every Loony Tune they wipe out, another dozen cartoon characters takes it's place.

It's a funny world we live in.

Peace.


User currently offlineHAWK21M From India, joined Jan 2001, 31684 posts, RR: 56
Reply 7, posted (5 years 9 months 3 weeks 2 days 5 hours ago) and read 3554 times:



Quoting Imiakhtar (Reply 6):
I believe that in order to root out the problem, you need to go to the heart of the issue that is Kashmir.

the Kashmir issue is a main reason.True.Its a Minority community state in India that has other Majority community states,which boosts India as a Democracy.Hence India needs Kashmir.
As for Pakistan,If they give up all of kashmir to India,the purpose of the state of pakistan based on religon is defeated.
The solution lies in a porus border & a unified Kashmir.

On the issue of Defeating terror......As long as countries in the world sponsor terror,through training,funds,weapons & support....there will never be peace.

The public anger is high currently.....I guess the Congress led UPA Government will not win the next elections, this will bring back the NDA in to power.

regds
MEL



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User currently offlinePar13del From Bahamas, joined Dec 2005, 7186 posts, RR: 8
Reply 8, posted (5 years 9 months 3 weeks 2 days 5 hours ago) and read 3548 times:

So the belief is that this was purely a foreign job? It is much easier to blame out-siders than confront any home grown problems. Thats one reason why the war on terror is so hard to fight, the enemy does not care what political point its targets want to convey to the public, that just makes their job easier.

India will not attack Pakistan if they decide that they are responsible, based on initial news reports about the boat being from Pakistan, being so obvious would be a declaration of war, thankfully, later reports say the boat in question was not involved. India developed nukes for China and Pakistan, Pakistan developed its nukes for India, so stalemate on that front.

If Kashmir is the root cause of the problem it will remain so for the foreseable future, India claims the territory, Pakistan also, and no one is going to allow the residents any say in what happens, so the resentment and anger will grow. Putting in place a local spy network and ruthlessly prosecuting / assinating militants to break up future major attacks is a viable option, another is to attempt appeasement which if Kashmir is the cause, will mean some form of governance, which puts us back to square one.

Militants today beilive in getting their own way, whether through violence or negotiations, its their way or not at all, and they are usually prepared to die for their conviction, civilized society has not yet come to grips with this new reality.


User currently offlineBill142 From Australia, joined Aug 2004, 8451 posts, RR: 8
Reply 9, posted (5 years 9 months 3 weeks 2 days ago) and read 3491 times:



Quoting TAZA (Reply 1):
I don't believe the "War On Terror" can or will be won by anyone.

Via genocide it can. But I don't think anyone in power in the developed world is loony enough to do that.


User currently offlineHAWK21M From India, joined Jan 2001, 31684 posts, RR: 56
Reply 10, posted (5 years 9 months 3 weeks 1 day 23 hours ago) and read 3476 times:



Quoting Par13del (Reply 8):
India will not attack Pakistan if they decide that they are responsible

The problem is not the Government of Pakistan or its common people But rather a few rogue elements in their Intelligence/Army who still want to create these tensions for their own motives.
The Pak Govt seems willing to assist,but will the more powerfull army allow them.Unlike a strong Democracy of India,Pak Army has more control there than the Civilian Government.
There has to be a policy review in that state towards India.only then will things improve.

Remember the Cold war of the eighties.

regds
MEL



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User currently offlineDocLightning From United States of America, joined Nov 2005, 19687 posts, RR: 58
Reply 11, posted (5 years 9 months 3 weeks 1 day 22 hours ago) and read 3459 times:

You don't fight a war on terror. You treat it like organized crime and use intelligence and appropriate action to stop it.

User currently offlineOa260 From Ireland, joined Nov 2006, 26972 posts, RR: 57
Reply 12, posted (5 years 9 months 3 weeks 1 day 22 hours ago) and read 3456 times:



Quoting Par13del (Reply 8):
So the belief is that this was purely a foreign job? It is much easier to blame out-siders than confront any home grown problems.

Nothing is confirmed and it is dangerous to have a guessing game until the FACTS are known.

Quoting DocLightning (Reply 11):
You don't fight a war on terror. You treat it like organized crime and use intelligence and appropriate action to stop it.

Very true.

The solution is between the Indian and Pakistani governments so they should both smell the coffee and work together.


User currently offlineOa260 From Ireland, joined Nov 2006, 26972 posts, RR: 57
Reply 13, posted (5 years 9 months 3 weeks 1 day 21 hours ago) and read 3444 times:

2nd Cricket Test Series moved to Chennai ( Madras ).


SITUATION UPDATE
Police: 24 dead bodies found at Oberoi
Trident completely clear of terrorists: Report
PM to talk to Zardari about attacks
At Trident: Foreigners evacuated
NSG suffered casualties in the operations
http://www.ndtv.com/convergence/ndtv/default.aspx


User currently offlineKeesje From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 14, posted (5 years 9 months 3 weeks 1 day 20 hours ago) and read 3429 times:

How to stop well educated, clean shaved, determined, trained mercyless youngsters without a criminal record from commiting terror attacks in a society were communication and seemless transport and globalization is a reality..



Beats me..


User currently offlinePar13del From Bahamas, joined Dec 2005, 7186 posts, RR: 8
Reply 15, posted (5 years 9 months 3 weeks 1 day 18 hours ago) and read 3400 times:



Quoting Keesje (Reply 14):
How to stop well educated, clean shaved, determined, trained mercyless youngsters without a criminal record from commiting terror attacks in a society were communication and seemless transport and globalization is a reality..

Simple, unless they are mentally insane identify what their grievence is and deal with it. Dealing with it is the problem, society tends to marginalize persons who do not have popular complaints, even ignore them completely. In open societies, we believe that we cater by allowing them a voice by giving them the means and options to voice their concerns, that works for a time but when they realize that we are only paying lip service, then more action is done.

These clean shaven young people are a means to and end by someone else, they are too young to know personally of the struggles before their time, so certainely they are the sword for someone in the back, I do not know but will not be shocked if the root of the attack is by some group taking revenge for some previous wrong or perceived wrong, if the warning signs were seen and ignored, that failure is one that our society can at least make better attempts at fixing, remember the anonymous prayer found in the church, even the dispossed should be listened to, they have something to say.


User currently onlineAaron747 From Japan, joined Aug 2003, 8149 posts, RR: 26
Reply 16, posted (5 years 9 months 3 weeks 1 day 17 hours ago) and read 3397 times:



Quoting HAWK21M (Reply 7):
On the issue of Defeating terror......As long as countries in the world sponsor terror,through training,funds,weapons & support....there will never be peace.

Many Indian bloggers have commented angrily since yesterday that it is impossible to improve intelligence nationwide until there is a serious political effort to reduce massive bureaucracy and police corruption. Some Indian coworkers of mine have said the buying of positions and examination waivers for police in Mumbai is well-known among the city's residents, and some have sarcastically mentioned that even if arms shipments to militant groups were coming into the city, as long as cops were being paid under the table they'd do nothing about it.

In that kind of environment, limited success is the most that can be expected. The three times I've traveled in India I've noticed bureaucratic hurdles in even the most mundane corners of daily life - for a sophisticated and coordinated day-to-day operation like gathering and dissemination of intelligence - that cannot be the case. Certainly India is full of examples of capable people coordinating in diverse and complex activities every day - the urban railways and meal delivery networks are good examples. It's that brand of fortitude that must be employed in the intelligence sector to have any kind of success against terror.

The only question is - is the current or next government up to the task??



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User currently offlineMandala499 From Indonesia, joined Aug 2001, 6858 posts, RR: 75
Reply 17, posted (5 years 9 months 3 weeks 1 day 17 hours ago) and read 3386 times:

1. Improve intelligence collection
2. Better coordination between the police, other law enforcement agencies, and the military.
3. Accept that India do have it's own internal militant Islam problem.
4. Deal with #3, keep blaming Pakistan isn't a solution (regardless of whether Pakistan has a hand in it or not)
5. Force cooperate with Pakistan with regards to cross-border terrorism... this again, needs more than just pointing the finger at Pakistan. The Pakistan civilian government needs help..

Cross border infiltration / interdiction to the terror camps are likely to be used as an excuse for Pakistan's extremists to recruit more militants.

The Kashmir issue seems to be used as an excuse by the Pakistan extremists when it comes to India... what needs to be more exposed is that the interests of Pakistan's extremists over Kashmir isn't exactly what the Kashmiris want... We never hear what the Kashmiri want, always what India or what Pakistan wants...

One method of winning against the extreme elements within the Pak military is to actually, continue the development of further relationships with Pakistan's civilian government, and further developing business and economic ties. The military of Pakistan cannot go on the front of government at least for another few years, and it is within the vested interest of those willing to retain power to continue to make the civilian government look helpless by indirectly supporting extremists and sponsoring actions to destabilize relationships with India, and also, undermine the economy. Improverishment and hopelessness, are nice motivators to feed extremism, to which the Army can always "play the Hero."




Btw, is that a pic of a suspect or an undercover police/anti-terrorist squad?

If a member of the general public can grab a clean photo like that... all I can say is, OMG... the whole attack's a show to make the Indian law enforcement and military look stupid... (and they seem to have somewhat succeeded in that).

The way the police handled the crowd at the siege locations and at the aftermath of shootings and explosion... in this last few days, is just utterly ridiculous...

I think huge reform in the police is called for too?
And the military and police needs to learn a few PR skills too... so the rest of the world can welcome them to the new age of "security threats"...

Mandala499



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User currently offlineHAWK21M From India, joined Jan 2001, 31684 posts, RR: 56
Reply 18, posted (5 years 9 months 3 weeks 1 day 14 hours ago) and read 3350 times:

Lots of Anger among the Citizens.....Over the attack........
Congrats to the NSG/Army/Police for a fantastic job......keep the politicians away.

Amazing support for the commandos pre & post mission,amazing respect for a Job done.
glad to not notice any politicians around.

regds
MEL



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User currently offlineME AVN FAN From Switzerland, joined May 2002, 13920 posts, RR: 25
Reply 19, posted (5 years 9 months 3 weeks 1 day 14 hours ago) and read 3339 times:



Quoting HAWK21M (Reply 7):
the Kashmir issue is a main reason

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But is the Kashmire issue the point in the attack of the past two days really ?

Quoting HAWK21M (Reply 7):
Hence India needs Kashmir.

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Really. Would India not be the same with or without Kashmir ? For instance if Kashmir with both sectors re-united became independent ?


User currently offlineBeaucaire From Syria, joined Sep 2003, 5252 posts, RR: 24
Reply 20, posted (5 years 9 months 3 weeks 1 day 13 hours ago) and read 3329 times:

While Kashmir is certainly a sticking point between India and Pakistan that has to be dealt with politically,the war against terror in India is not tied to the Kashmir issue alone.
India is a meting-pot of cultures and religions- fascinating but dangerous.
Dangerous because of the religious aspect that drives people to react over-emotionally and not in-line with their religious masters philosophy.
Terrorists -be they Islamic or Hindu motivated,will never be afraid because of improved law-enforcement or more security.They have in many cases suicidal attitudes which makes them immune towards reason and logic.
The immediate fight against terror in India ( and Pakistan as well..) will have to start with much better co-ordinated intelligence among both countries-if you like it or not !
You have to come to grips with Islamabad and vise-versa.War is no option !

There can be no stand-alone fight from India against his enemies-it's an international team-effort and India has to become a quality puzzle in that picture -today Indian Intelligenc is not a quality puzzle!
Weather the actual attackers have Al Qaida liks or support or not is not really important,since there are so many individual cells and splitter groups who might have loose ideological ties to Bin Laden- that you cant really draw a line.

What I saw on TV regarding the intervention of the Indian police and special forces was a mixed picture of determination ,bad equipment,sacrifice but also lack of strategy ( too many police-men died-so they were sent into a combat zone unprotected or unprepared..)
So there is a tremendous job to better train police-forces and improve on equipment.

In todays "Der Spiegel" web-site ther is an article precisely dealing with that dilemma-bottom line is the politicians have lost years by sitting idle and not implementing guidlines,rules and better institutions capble to deal with theissue.
To boil it down to to words-no balls..
http://www.spiegel.de/politik/ausland/0,1518,593285,00.html



[Edited 2008-11-28 09:57:47]


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User currently offlineOa260 From Ireland, joined Nov 2006, 26972 posts, RR: 57
Reply 21, posted (5 years 9 months 3 weeks 1 day 13 hours ago) and read 3319 times:



Quoting Beaucaire (Reply 20):
While Kashmir is certainly a sticking point between India and Pakistan that has to be dealt with politically,the war against terror in India is not tied to the Kashmir issue alone.



Quoting Beaucaire (Reply 20):
The immediate fight against terror in India ( and Pakistan as well..) will have to start with much better co-ordinated intelligence among both countries-if you like it or not !
You have to come to grips with Islamabad and vise-versa.War is no option !

Very good points and totally true. India and Pakistan will have to both grow up and cut the crap that has gone on for the last number of years. They need to stand shoulder to shoulder and stop blaming eachother. I really dont have too much optimism but maybe this might focus their minds.

I think the outside world will also be putting pressure on both parties.


User currently offlineVimanav From India, joined Jul 2003, 1516 posts, RR: 14
Reply 22, posted (5 years 9 months 3 weeks 1 day 12 hours ago) and read 3284 times:

Mel...

Actually I think sitting, talking, negotiating (and mooting... that favourite expression to describle our political class) have all been proven pretty futile again and again. It sounds very proper and reasonable... but then again we are not dealing with reasonable people.

Intelligence gathering is most essential but again a pipe-dream for our highly bureaucratic, hierarchic and mostly self centered babus who run these establishments. Neither are these guys well paid or well trained or motivated to produce a quality response to the kind of challenges that our enemies pose.

I am one of those who has totally and completely lost faith in our Government (irrespective of which political party comes to power) to provide us with even the most elementary protection.

My own view is that some sort of a vigilante movement could/should/will develop. Just as you could trace the funding for Islamic terrorism coming from folks who may be sympathizers (but not actual terrorists), so too could funds be generated from wealthy Indians (in India and abroad) who are fed up with their country being taken apart at will by terrorists. It is far easier for such a movement, motivated as it would be, to follow highly unconventional intelligence gathering methods, generate funds for sophisticated trainings and not be encumbered by political niceties that would keep our otherwise highly trained armed forces from kicking ass !!! (eg. the hijacked ship with Indian crew in Somalia which we refused to rescue citing silly diplomatic excuses).

This movement I reiterate should not be relgiously affiliated like the so called nationalistic groups - the lathi wielding jokers in RSS or the bullies in Bajrang Dal, MNS, Shiv Sena. This movement should with equal vehemence bring street justice to a Raj Thackeray as it would a Dawood Ibrahim. It must see an equal enemy in Syed Shahabuddin as it does in Raja Bhaiya. It must aim to take out any hatemonger - Hindu or Muslim with as much fervour as it would target a Tiger Memon or a Maulana Masood Azhar. It must have the intelligence support and training/backing (and where possible the carte-blanche) necessary to go into places beyond Indian borders to carry out missions like the ones that the KGB or the CIA or the Mossad specialized(s) in.

If the promise of 72 virgins waiting for them in Paradise can convert those clean shaven, upmarket, educated young men to suicidal mass murderers, I am extremely certain that the promise of patriotism will draw even greater numbers of young Indians to place their lives on the order to neutralize those who aim to destabilize our country.

I'll wager on something like this coming up in the coming years...

rgds//Vimanav



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User currently offlineBeaucaire From Syria, joined Sep 2003, 5252 posts, RR: 24
Reply 23, posted (5 years 9 months 3 weeks 1 day 11 hours ago) and read 3275 times:

http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/U...d_to_India/articleshow/3770950.cms

interesting article..



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User currently offlineHAWK21M From India, joined Jan 2001, 31684 posts, RR: 56
Reply 24, posted (5 years 9 months 3 weeks 1 day 6 hours ago) and read 3166 times:



Quoting Vimanav (Reply 22):
am extremely certain that the promise of patriotism will draw even greater numbers of young Indians to place their lives on the order to neutralize those who aim to destabilize our country.

Watching the emotions & support the NSG commandos got & the anger amongst citizens....there will def be youngsters comming forward & wanting an end to this proxy war,by attacking the culprits in their den.

regds
MEL



Think of the brighter side!
25 BarfBag : Are you aware what the terms of the UN resolution are ? It *requires* Pakistan to withdraw to status quo ante. It then *obliges* India to conduct a p
26 HAWK21M : NSG squads for all states with a central coordination. Revamp the Mumbai cops with military training...only fit persons to continue,the rest can be gi
27 GDB : Firstly, commiseration's to all the victims of this insane, pointless slaughter. I agree with Hawk that no way did the Pakistani government have a han
28 HAWK21M : Very valid points GDB....especially about the cops & their equipment. Intelligence upgrade is the key out here. Currently the citizens are calling for
29 HAWK21M : Very valid points GDB....especially about the cops & their equipment. Intelligence upgrade is the key out here. Currently the citizens are calling for
30 AGM100 : Securtiy improvements are obvious , but the main effort has to be to continue growing there strong economy. Strength and stability come when your cite
31 Oa260 : So I have heard on TV with Indians shouting ''Death to Pakistan'' !! I can understand peoples anger but people really need to direct their anger at t
32 ME AVN FAN : - well, this admittedly would be the reaction of ALL people in the world ! The problem for your federal government rather is to define and find out W
33 HAWK21M : When you have a Government in a Neighbour country that says Nothing wrong is happening.Ask for proof,when proof is provided,deny it,say that there ar
34 Oa260 : They are more than ''keen'' with due respect. They have given the highest condemnation at every point and level. Just watching a British Women on Sky
35 N867DA : It's not always the government at fault. Look at this situation. There is probably no government involvement but you can be very sure that at least s
36 HAWK21M : The Sponsors/planners/plotters of this act need to be restrained & brought to justice. regds MEL
37 Oa260 : Exactly totally agree so lets get all the facts and not have knee jerk reactions or harsh statements. People need to calm down and be rational.
38 ME AVN FAN : - "some of" ? and where from the others ? London ? --- ... Is India to attack the U.K. in such a case ? No, I hope, rational considerations will keep
39 EWRCabincrew : But that is taking into count that the people doing the genocide are "right". Genocide has yet to solve anything. The "war on terror" will never be w
40 BarfBag : I see zero benefit in coordinating with the Paki authorities. There is no way Zardari can take on their powerful Islamist-driven military intelligence
41 Oa260 : Ok so you then undermine the Pakistani government and extremists take over the whole country and get their hands on the nuclear button and its bad ne
42 HAWK21M : Exactly.we have seen that in the past numerous times. lets see if Zardari hands over the chief of LeT to India if they are found responsible. regds M
43 N867DA : For a very long time Pakistan kept (keeps may be the proper tense here) alternating between military dictatorships and democracy. Just who do you tal
44 BarfBag : Speaking to an entity that is incapable of achieving anything contributes nothing. Zardari is a lame duck. He's not just an outlier but a Baloch - th
45 HAWK21M : Feelers are India is giving an opportunity for Pakistan to dismantle the terror mechanism & hand over the culprits responsible......There is an armed
46 Post contains links Beaucaire : The rethoric between Pakistan and India is getting somewhat harsher- PAK threatening to re-deploy up to 1 M troops from the Afghan border towards the
47 HAWK21M : Nice threat to induce the US fear. All Pak needs to do is shown the World that the terror mechanism is dismantled & Peace will return. regds MEL.
48 BarfBag : Actually, the rhetoric so far has been one sided. There's been absolutely no mention of any Indian troop buildup, and quite likely there will be none
49 HAWK21M : Troop build up at border areas is being considered.But not like after the parliament attack.This seems more of a defensive posture. regds MEL
50 Oa260 : Guys stick to facts. You will both be getting a job at NDTV soon.
51 BarfBag : This terror act makes a couple of things clear: * India needs to drastically ramp up internal security and intelligence capabilities. The NSG alone wi
52 ME AVN FAN : - would their military intelligence indeed be "islamist driven", the fundamentalists would have taken full political power in Islamabad long ago, whi
53 BarfBag : The official motto of the Pakistan Army is "Iman, Taqwa, Jihad Fi Sabilallah" - "Faith, Piety and Jihad in the Name of Allah". Islamization of their
54 Oa260 : So these are just mottos. If you drop a coin in London and stamp on it you can be arrested !! Doesnt mean anything.
55 ME AVN FAN : - Right you unfortunately are, but I mean, the name of the country indeed IS "Islamic Republic of Pakistan". All this however does not mean that the
56 Post contains links Oa260 : Mohsin Hamid, the British-Pakistani author of the widely acclaimed The Reluctant Fundamentalist, speaks to Al Jazeera about how only Pakistanis can un
57 HAWK21M : Pakistan will see more attacks too,hence needs to cooperate with India & get rid of the terrorists. Arn't you the person who was educating local Mumb
58 Oa260 : Arnt you part of the team that said Indians and Pakistanis have no rivalry and get on like a house on fire ? Its certainly showing in these two threa
59 MD11Engineer : Don't slight the old SMLE. With a trained marksman using it, it is hard to be beat for powerfull high accuracy fire at longer distances, as the Russi
60 Oa260 : BBC and other networks reporting that the Indian Government were advised and warned back in August that an attack was being plotted.
61 HAWK21M : My Friend [wish I knew your 1st name]........Again you are mixing the Pakistan govt with elements of Pakistan......& then saying its the same thing.
62 Dougloid : That works great. Just ask Neville Chamberlain and the government and people of Czechoslovakia how well it worked.
63 HAWK21M : Pak is threatening US that it would weaken the US War on terror & shift troops from west to East border if India starts a Troop buildup,thus weakening
64 N867DA : Pakistani terrorists upset at the Pakistani government bombed a Pakistani hotel back in September. Now (some) Pakistani terrorists upset at God knows
65 Oa260 : That can be said for other nationalities also around the globe so dont generalise. It does nothing to bridge the situation. If parties go to the tabl
66 N867DA : By all means...go to the table and hope for the best. As I said, war is very bad because it would harm the economic prospects of the entire subcontin
67 Oa260 : Well we will have to see what pans out but the majority of Pakistanis do not support terrorism. The same way the majority of Irish did not support it
68 HAWK21M : Hopefully the army in pakistan sees merit in cooperating with India to dismantle the terror mechanism out there. regds MEL.
69 Keesje : lets not over simplify and take it like a Rambo. The 9-11 terrorist were from Saudi Arabia and its undemocratic fundamentalist rulers. Never saw some
70 OA260 : 100% correct . I wonder why though
71 N867DA : Rambo should never be the first option. Rambo should be in a cage with barbed wires and for good measure electrify the bars. But when Bambi and Cinde
72 HAWK21M : US is keen on not disturbing its war in the NWFP......Interesting few days. regds MEL
73 HKA : fine, but war is always good for those making money selling weapons. Th enemity between countries have to go on for the business. examples: iraq-iran
74 Post contains links Beaucaire : So the Americans warned India's secret service about a forthcoming attack from the sea including the TAJ -Hotel -and that was in October... http://www
75 Vimanav : I have close friends in Pakistan, I have visited the country and find its hospitality (especially towards Indians) amazing. But fact is fact, why do
76 OA260 : The Indian authorities were stupid to ignore thse warnings. Why did they?? Who was to blame for Indias other bombs and ethnic tensions?
77 HAWK21M : Pran....Something interesting in Mumbai post 26/11 is that there is a strong sense of Hate against all politicians,people are treating them like dirt
78 HAWK21M : The US secretary of state will be urging Pak to cooperate in handing over the wanted persons,although pak seems reluctant. India has not ruled out mil
79 OA260 : Wont happen. Conda. Rice has been very weak in her statements which suggests something is going on behind closed doors.
80 HAWK21M : Not too sure.A possibility exists subject to the response from Pak towards action against LeT. regds MEL
81 Vimanav : I said 99 out of 100. You talking of the 1 that I did not include. If you have a different you, please elaborate and be specific and I will be happy
82 Oa260 : Sorry your post does not make sense.
83 HAWK21M : Interesting to see what Pak does after the proof is shared. Zardari has said they'll try the culprits in Pakistan. Time will tell. India should not lo
84 Post contains links HAWK21M : Looks like the 48hrs deadline by US/Indi to Pak to take action against the LeT is working. http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/L...eld_Report/articlesh
85 Oa260 : It was actually the USA and UK that pressured India into NOT taking action and they had to comply. India like I said would do nothing without approva
86 HAWK21M : India has been assured cooperation by Pak & the international community is assuring pak cooperates in this regard & India is holding back for the tim
87 Oa260 : Pakistan is keeping to its promises made at the time of the bombings and fully co operating.
88 HAWK21M : What the International community wants is action & not words as in the past.Those tactics will not work post 26/11 because of the number of nat ions
89 Post contains links N867DA : The New York Times carried a very interesting op-ed piece written by Asif Ali Zardari yesterday. If the man really means what he wrote then hats off t
90 Oa260 : Yes I read that today . Kudos to Pakistan and hopefully this will continue.
91 HAWK21M : its true that zardari has tried to cooperate with India,but there are elements in the Pak Army/Intelligence that needs to be convinced. regds MEL
92 Csavel : This so far has been a really good timely, and considering the sensitivities of the issue, really respectful. Kudos to all at A.net! Here are some com
93 AGM100 : Silence on the part of the people of PAK is the only thing I can hear right now. I would sure like to see some outrage or maybe street protests agains
94 Oa260 : And what protests in support were there for the Marriott bombings then? Im sorry your comments are totally wrong. And whats wrong with a Muslim count
95 AGM100 : Stop it . Unless you are saying all muslims are wackos ? Thats not what I said. The people of PAK should practice whatever religion they choose , but
96 OA260 : No but if you read YOUR post carefully it is not clear what you are saying.
97 HAWK21M : Thats true,No public protests against the attack.But I guess it could be fear too.Out here India is a stable Democracy for years now,so protests are
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