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Why Did George H.W Bush LoseThe Re-election?  
User currently offlineUnited Airline From Hong Kong, joined Jan 2001, 9186 posts, RR: 15
Posted (5 years 10 months 2 days 18 hours ago) and read 13635 times:

At first re-election was likely. But at the end he lost. Was it due to a mild recession? Or was it the national debt? Or was it the famous 'read my lips. No new taxes' lie?

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User currently offlinePacNWjet From United States of America, joined Sep 2000, 980 posts, RR: 0
Reply 1, posted (5 years 10 months 2 days 17 hours ago) and read 13618 times:

I think many political observers would argue that voters did not think President Bush was attentive enough to economic problems in the United States. Partly it was the mild recession. Partly it was the debt issue. Partly it was the reversal on "no new taxes." There were other economic worries at the time as well. Bill Clinton's internal campaign message (the message campaign staffers repeated to themselves every day) was "It's the economy, stupid." Clinton's campaign staff felt that if they hammered President Bush on the economy at every opportunity Clinton would win the election. There was also the sense among some voters that Bush was so preoccupied with foreign affairs that he had been inattentive to domestic policy issues. I imagine there are political scientists and others who would cite other factors, but there seems to be a general consensus that the Clinton campaign was on the right track with its internal reminder of what to tell the voters: "It's the economy, stupid."

User currently offlinePHLBOS From United States of America, joined Mar 2004, 7525 posts, RR: 24
Reply 2, posted (5 years 10 months 2 days 17 hours ago) and read 13608 times:

A combination of all the above PLUS H. Ross Perot's presence in the race. IMHO, that played more of a factor than the others; especially in the 'Swing' states.

BTW, Bush 41 didn't break his "No New Taxes" pledge until he was already in office for 2 years with a Democrat-controlled House & Senate doing the instigating. In contrast, then-President-Elect Bill Clinton, wasn't yet inaugurated when he mentioned that he was NOT going to implement his proposed/promised middle-class tax cut.

[Edited 2008-12-04 09:01:03]


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User currently offlineUnited Airline From Hong Kong, joined Jan 2001, 9186 posts, RR: 15
Reply 3, posted (5 years 10 months 2 days 15 hours ago) and read 13541 times:

George HW Bush was very good at foreign affairs but not in dealing with the US economy

User currently offlineSTT757 From United States of America, joined Mar 2000, 16878 posts, RR: 51
Reply 4, posted (5 years 10 months 2 days 15 hours ago) and read 13534 times:

George H.W. looked old and out of touch, while Bill Clinton was youthful, smart and had a great presence. During town hall debates Clinton was getting to know the audience while President George H.W. Bush seemed annoyed and was constantly checking his watch.


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User currently offlineUnited Airline From Hong Kong, joined Jan 2001, 9186 posts, RR: 15
Reply 5, posted (5 years 10 months 2 days 14 hours ago) and read 13489 times:

They chose George H.W Bush in 1988 though and he became the president in 1989.

Wonder what would have happened if he was re-elected.

They both very smart I am sure


User currently offlineUnited Airline From Hong Kong, joined Jan 2001, 9186 posts, RR: 15
Reply 6, posted (5 years 10 months 2 days 14 hours ago) and read 13480 times:

Without the charm of Ronald Reagon people were ready for a change maybe? And maybe George HW Bush wasn't an effective campaigner?

User currently offlineFlexo From St. Helena, joined Mar 2007, 406 posts, RR: 0
Reply 7, posted (5 years 10 months 2 days 14 hours ago) and read 13478 times:

With Bill Clinton he also had a very charismatic opponent. Regardless what one might think of his policies, he is able to move the masses and to get undecided voters on his side.
George HW Bush is quite the opposite of the above.


User currently offlineStretch 8 From United States of America, joined May 1999, 2568 posts, RR: 16
Reply 8, posted (5 years 10 months 2 days 13 hours ago) and read 13450 times:

Old man Bush also had the disaadvantage of having the annoying little troll Ross Perot in the race as an independenent candidate. Perot cost Bush votes.


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User currently offlinePSA53 From United States of America, joined Aug 2003, 3071 posts, RR: 4
Reply 9, posted (5 years 10 months 2 days 13 hours ago) and read 13437 times:

What killed H.W. chances for re-election,IMO,was the changing manufacturing picture.Jobs were being lost to China and,sadly,"Made In China",started to take hold.But what benefited Clinton was that technology,computer and cellular in particular, boomed.


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User currently offlineDXing From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 10, posted (5 years 10 months 2 days 13 hours ago) and read 13428 times:



Quoting STT757 (Reply 4):
while President George H.W. Bush seemed annoyed and was constantly checking his watch.

He checked his watch exactly once.

Quoting Stretch 8 (Reply 8):
Old man Bush also had the disaadvantage of having the annoying little troll Ross Perot in the race as an independenent candidate. Perot cost Bush votes.

Had it not been for Perot Bush 41 would have won re-election just as had it not been for Nader, VP Gore would have won in 2000.

Bush 41 did not have the charm that President Reagan had while President Clinton did. That too cost Bush 41 votes. Many saw President Clinton as closing the door on WW2 era men as President.


User currently offlineUnited Airline From Hong Kong, joined Jan 2001, 9186 posts, RR: 15
Reply 11, posted (5 years 10 months 2 days 13 hours ago) and read 13408 times:

Is it possible for a US president who lost the re-election to stand for another election in the future? I mean technically can George HW Bush run again (Of course he won't even if he can due to his age)????

User currently offlineDreadnought From United States of America, joined Feb 2008, 8847 posts, RR: 24
Reply 12, posted (5 years 10 months 2 days 13 hours ago) and read 13400 times:



Quoting United Airline (Reply 11):
Is it possible for a US president who lost the re-election to stand for another election in the future? I mean technically can George HW Bush run again

Sure. Nixon lost in 1960 and ran again in 68. Teddy Roosevelt, after having already been president from 1901-1909, ran for president again in 1912.

And yes, Ross Perot cost Bush the election in 92.



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User currently offlinePSA53 From United States of America, joined Aug 2003, 3071 posts, RR: 4
Reply 13, posted (5 years 10 months 2 days 13 hours ago) and read 13395 times:



Quoting United Airline (Reply 11):
Is it possible for a US president who lost the re-election to stand for another election in the future? I mean technically can George HW Bush run again (Of course he won't even if he can due to his age)????

Yes. As example,T.R. did it but bowed out on his retry.



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User currently offlineDtwclipper From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 14, posted (5 years 10 months 2 days 12 hours ago) and read 13362 times:



Quoting PSA53 (Reply 13):
Quoting United Airline (Reply 11):
Is it possible for a US president who lost the re-election to stand for another election in the future? I mean technically can George HW Bush run again (Of course he won't even if he can due to his age)????

Yes. As example,T.R. did it but bowed out on his retry

A better example would be Grover Cleveland. Cleveland is the only President to serve two non-consecutive terms (1885–1889 and 1893–1897) and therefore is the only individual to be counted twice in the numbering of the presidents

See Wiki


User currently offlineSteeler83 From United States of America, joined Feb 2006, 9221 posts, RR: 21
Reply 15, posted (5 years 10 months 2 days 12 hours ago) and read 13341 times:



Quoting Dtwclipper (Reply 14):
A better example would be Grover Cleveland. Cleveland is the only President to serve two non-consecutive terms (1885–1889 and 1893–1897) and therefore is the only individual to be counted twice in the numbering of the presidents

You beat me to it, but I will add comment to this post:

Quoting Dreadnought (Reply 12):
Sure. Nixon lost in 1960 and ran again in 68. Teddy Roosevelt, after having already been president from 1901-1909, ran for president again in 1912

As you all may know, no president can run for a third term in office, as an Amendment to the Constitution was added in 1951, during Truman's term in office, that limited a president's terms to 2. FDR was elected 4 times. He died in April of 1945, shortly after taking office for the 4th time...



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User currently offlineLuv2fly From United States of America, joined May 2003, 12113 posts, RR: 49
Reply 16, posted (5 years 10 months 2 days 11 hours ago) and read 13320 times:
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Quoting Dreadnought (Reply 12):
And yes, Ross Perot cost Bush the election in 92.

Yes he was a factor though another one was the Gulf War and how Bush handled it.



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User currently offlineBN747 From United States of America, joined Mar 2002, 5618 posts, RR: 51
Reply 17, posted (5 years 10 months 2 days 10 hours ago) and read 13273 times:

"Why Did George H.W Bush Lost The Re-election?"

That lady who questioned him on the price of a gallon of milk (and tripped him up with it) became his Katrina. And he never recovered.


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User currently offlineBraybuddy From Ireland, joined Aug 2004, 5741 posts, RR: 32
Reply 18, posted (5 years 10 months 2 days 10 hours ago) and read 13272 times:

My own take on it is a rather shallow one: I do believe that personal appeal plays a large part in elections nowadays, whether you're talking about the USA, UK, France, Australia or Ireland. Granted, other factors come into play, but I'm absolutely convinced that "likability" plays an important part.

During the '02 campaign in the US, I noticed how Bill Clinton seemed to appeal enormously to women voters. Much and all as I like the man, I can't help feeling that this was a big factor in him winning the presidential election that year.


User currently offlineGreggarious From United States of America, joined Jul 2007, 361 posts, RR: 0
Reply 19, posted (5 years 10 months 2 days 10 hours ago) and read 13258 times:



Quoting DXing (Reply 10):
Had it not been for Perot Bush 41 would have won re-election just as had it not been for Nader, VP Gore would have won in 2000.

While this is almost certainly the case, there is a line in America: A Citizen's Guide to Democracy Inaction (by John Stewart & Co... I can't believe I'm quoting this  Silly ) that reads: "In the 2000 Presidential Election, Ralph Nader was second only to Al Gore in costing Al Gore the Presidency." It implies that Nader stole votes from Gore, but Gore's shortcomings were what forced people away in the first place. I feel like the same holds true for Bush and Perot, only on a much greater scale.


User currently offlineDXing From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 20, posted (5 years 10 months 2 days 10 hours ago) and read 13255 times:



Quoting Luv2fly (Reply 16):
Yes he was a factor though another one was the Gulf War and how Bush handled it.

What? His approval ratings were never higher than right after the gulf war and before he agreed to go back on his pledge and raise taxes as well as the onset of the recession. He ticked off enough fincnacial conservatives that they voted for Perot. Reagan democrats swung back to President Clinton and that's the end of that election.


User currently offlinePSA53 From United States of America, joined Aug 2003, 3071 posts, RR: 4
Reply 21, posted (5 years 10 months 2 days 10 hours ago) and read 13253 times:



Quoting Luv2fly (Reply 16):
And yes, Ross Perot cost Bush the election in 92.

Yes he was a factor though another one was the Gulf War and how Bush handled it.

I disagree.The Gulf War actually soared Bush,Sr. approval rating.It was the many things after that lead to his downfall like King/Riots,,Jobs,etc....Perot gain ground on H.W. misfortunes and did play a factor later.But after the war campaigns Bush was thought unbeatable.



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User currently offlineLuv2fly From United States of America, joined May 2003, 12113 posts, RR: 49
Reply 22, posted (5 years 10 months 2 days 10 hours ago) and read 13240 times:
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Wow two die in the wool Republicans disagree with me. Talk about shock. Had he actually finished the job with the war and taken Saddam out and not left if for Clinton to deal with and then finally his son to finish the job he started. Approval ratings or not. Look George W. is leaving the office with possibly the lowest of any President.


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User currently offlineDreadnought From United States of America, joined Feb 2008, 8847 posts, RR: 24
Reply 23, posted (5 years 10 months 2 days 9 hours ago) and read 13235 times:



Quoting Steeler83 (Reply 15):
Quoting Dreadnought (Reply 12):
Sure. Nixon lost in 1960 and ran again in 68. Teddy Roosevelt, after having already been president from 1901-1909, ran for president again in 1912

As you all may know, no president can run for a third term in office, as an Amendment to the Constitution was added in 1951, during Truman's term in office, that limited a president's terms to 2. FDR was elected 4 times. He died in April of 1945, shortly after taking office for the 4th time...

Teddy Roosevelt was only elected once - he took over from McKinley after he was assassinated, and then was elected in 1904. Lyndon Johnson did the same in the 60's, after the passage of the 22nd amendment, taking over from Kennedy, being elected in 64, and would have been eligable for reelection in 1968, but chose not to run.



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User currently offlineSlamClick From United States of America, joined Nov 2003, 10062 posts, RR: 68
Reply 24, posted (5 years 10 months 2 days 9 hours ago) and read 13234 times:



Quoting Braybuddy (Reply 18):
During the '02 campaign in the US,

Oh really?

Quoting Braybuddy (Reply 18):
this was a big factor in him winning the presidential election that year.

mmmm, not exactly.



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25 Post contains links DXing : No, it's more like most every historian or approval poll you'd care to look up. Just a simple check of Wikipedia gets you: Highest approval rating Ge
26 PSA53 : Absolutely.But the politics at the time during H.W.'s tenure prevented taking Saddam out.It was consider bad timing since there was a lending hand of
27 Post contains links Braybuddy : Why not? http://query.nytimes.com/gst/fullpag...9E0CEFDD1F3EF931A1575BC0A964958260 "Women favored Mr. Clinton over Mr. Bush by a significant margin"
28 Dtwclipper : I think he is just pointing out your typo.
29 Braybuddy : Oops! Well what's a decade between friends . . .
30 DocLightning : GHWB also didn't take out Hussein because his advisers told him not to. Why? Well, because of what would have happened if he had. In fact, it would h
31 Usair320 : I wasn't yet at voting age in '92 or '96, but I definately supported Clinton both runs. I found Bush sr. to be lacking (And the start of the Neocon g
32 United Airline : I know. But if one has served one term and he loses in the re-election, like Jimmy Carter, George H.W Bush etc, can he run again?
33 United Airline : Should we consider George H.W Bush as a good president?
34 Dreadnought : Yes.
35 Dtwclipper : Read response #14 and you will find your answer.
36 Bananaboy : Do many really believe that foreign affairs was a strong point for GWB? Surely not. Mark
37 United Airline : So why didn't George H.W Bush run again in 1996? Coz he was too old?
38 STT757 : He would have looked bad if he lost again, and Clinton was very popular in '95-'96 as the economy was really revving. I wish I was old enough to vote
39 PacNWjet : There is a difference between how scholars and other interested parties analyze President Bush's foreign policy with some historical hindsight and wh
40 Alessandro : I think the elder Bush was way too aggressive in his foreign policy and it hurt the US economy back then. He even visited the troops in Somalia, but t
41 Slider : That’s a line seared into the consciousness of many, to be sure. That’s the crux of it. Clinton became (I believe but am not totally sure) the fi
42 PHLBOS : Perot's main mistake was temporarily dropping out of the race back that June because he (Perot) panicked when he saw the poll numbers stating that ha
43 MEA-707 : Nixon is the only candidate I can think of who lost an earlier presidential election (1960) and then won another one. Usually a second try after an e
44 Seb146 : A lot of my friends voted for Clinton for pretty much the same reasons: Bush41 was spending way too much time outside the Untied States and was not fo
45 United Airline : So why did Jimmy Carter lose?
46 MEA-707 : Maybe surfing around on google, wikipedia etc. would help as well to get answers on complex but well documented issues like this. Carters term as pre
47 STT757 : Where to begin; Economy, gas crisis, Iran Hostage situation etc.. Jimmy Carter up to this point has been generally regarded as the worst US President
48 DXing : I'd have to disagree with that. The economy just sucked during all of President Carters administration. Not only that but President Carter actually c
49 DXing : My bad, I meant that Eisnehower is on our currency yet President Truman is almost universally regarded as one of our best Presidents.
50 Elite : One thing that comes to mind is the "Read my lips, no new taxes" and then raising taxes. Of course it wasn't really his fault but that looks really, r
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