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Top Selling Cars For Nov 2008 (U.S.)  
User currently offlineDfwRevolution From United States of America, joined Jan 2010, 997 posts, RR: 51
Posted (5 years 11 months 3 weeks 5 days 9 hours ago) and read 10097 times:

The sales figures for new car and truck sales during the month of November are in. Of course, these figures are only for the United States as the threat title hints. Does anything... unusual jump out at you?

10. Nissan Altima 10,828 units
9. Honda CR-V 12,153
8. Chevy Impala 12,851
7. Dodge Ram 15,538
6. Honda Accord 17,430
5. Honda Civic 17,690
4. Toyota Corolla 21,807
3. Toyota Camry 22,224
2. Chevy Silverado 29,534
1. Ford F-Series 37,911


I guess with gas back at reasonable prices and high-revenue truck sales picking up, the American automakers won't be needing that bail-out quite so soon? Maybe some were a little premature in calling the days of trucks and SUVs a thing of the past.

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User currently offlineAcheron From Spain, joined Sep 2005, 1698 posts, RR: 2
Reply 1, posted (5 years 11 months 3 weeks 5 days 9 hours ago) and read 10091 times:



Quoting DfwRevolution (Thread starter):
I guess with gas back at reasonable prices and high-revenue truck sales picking up

Which means people haven't learned their lesson and think Oil is going to be down permanently even when the economy recovers, which I think its going to be quite the opposite of what actually happens.


User currently offlineJetsGo From United States of America, joined Jul 2003, 3086 posts, RR: 5
Reply 2, posted (5 years 11 months 3 weeks 5 days 8 hours ago) and read 10052 times:



Quoting DfwRevolution (Thread starter):
I guess with gas back at reasonable prices and high-revenue truck sales picking up, the American automakers won't be needing that bail-out quite so soon? Maybe some were a little premature in calling the days of trucks and SUVs a thing of the past.

Source? I would guess that the list is flawed. Is it taking into account the fact that these trucks are primarily purchased by businesses that actually require them? I would be interested to see the amount of F-150's and Silverado's sold to businesses versus recreational purchases.

Also, let's not forget, F-150's and Silverado's are CHEAP. Sold well below MSRP. I would say that catches more people than the fact that gas prices are down a couple bucks.



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User currently offlineZkpilot From New Zealand, joined Mar 2006, 4841 posts, RR: 9
Reply 3, posted (5 years 11 months 3 weeks 5 days 5 hours ago) and read 10016 times:

Aparently the only brand in the USA to be actually getting sales growth (not market share% although they would be in this case too) is Subaru. The new model Imprezas and Foresters are proving to be pretty popular with sales going up by 20-100% in many places over the previous models. Now that they are bringing in a much more powerful WRX (for effectively the same price) and talking about introducing their unique boxer diesel it could be a very good few years for Subaru... they have some of the highest loyalty rates as well.


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User currently offlineLH423 From Canada, joined Jul 1999, 6501 posts, RR: 54
Reply 4, posted (5 years 11 months 3 weeks 5 days 4 hours ago) and read 10004 times:

Considering the F-150 has traditionally outsold the number one selling passenger car by almost 2-to-1 for a long time now, I don't think anyone was expecting that to change overnight. What would be interesting is to see sales figures compared to last year. For instance, how many F-150s were sold in November 2007 or 2006.

Of course there will always be a market for trucks and vans. What I think we're seeing (and why the car manufacturers are screwed) is that the people who DON'T need these large vehicles are opting for something a bit smaller.

LH423



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User currently offlineRayChuang From United States of America, joined Jun 2000, 8030 posts, RR: 5
Reply 5, posted (5 years 11 months 3 weeks 4 days 23 hours ago) and read 9958 times:

I think because of the likely chance of increased excise taxes on less fuel-efficient vehicles in the USA we may see a lot more small cars sold in the country. That's why Honda is building a lot more Civics than Accords nowadays.

User currently offlineAirCatalonia From Spain, joined Nov 2007, 568 posts, RR: 0
Reply 6, posted (5 years 11 months 3 weeks 4 days 23 hours ago) and read 9943 times:

Quoting DfwRevolution (Thread starter):
Top Selling Cars 2008



[Edited 2008-12-06 07:09:16]

User currently offlineFrancoflier From France, joined Oct 2001, 3814 posts, RR: 11
Reply 7, posted (5 years 11 months 3 weeks 4 days 23 hours ago) and read 9926 times:



Quoting Zkpilot (Reply 3):
The new model Imprezas and Foresters are proving to be pretty popular with sales going up by 20-100% in many places over the previous models.

The fact that the new fugly impreza is selling better than the last one is amazing...
Do people actually like this car, or is it just good marketing/good pricing? I don't doubt it's a good drive, but I couldn't get past the 1990's Korean look for Japanese car money...



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User currently offlineCptkrell From United States of America, joined Sep 2001, 3220 posts, RR: 12
Reply 8, posted (5 years 11 months 3 weeks 4 days 22 hours ago) and read 9901 times:

JetsGo and LH423 recognise valid points. Pickem' up trucks have traditionally sold on top (in my memory), and for good reason in the US, so these figures are certainly not unusual.

With so many folks beating up on pick ups, it WOULD be unusual (and interesting) to get reliable figures on what percentage pickups are purchased for (and by) bling-bling, wannabe cowboys, and other dolts versus those sold for utilitarian and in some cases dual use where affording two or more vehicles is not possible.

I know this is a long-running argument here on Adot, but my feeling is that these figures may surprise a lot of contributors. Regards...jack



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User currently offlineDfwRevolution From United States of America, joined Jan 2010, 997 posts, RR: 51
Reply 9, posted (5 years 11 months 3 weeks 4 days 22 hours ago) and read 9882 times:



Quoting JetsGo (Reply 2):
Source? I would guess that the list is flawed

Apologies, I meant to include it in the first post. Here's the link:

http://www.autoblog.com/photos/top-t...t-selling-vehicles-nov-08/1200855/

Quoting Acheron (Reply 1):

Which means people haven't learned their lesson and think Oil is going to be down permanently even when the economy recovers, which I think its going to be quite the opposite of what actually happens.

Some analyst are estimating that the price for a barrel of crude oil could level off at $25 US dollars next year. Oil is not running out in the next decade, the one after that, or even the one after that. What we experienced these last few years was rampant speculation and profiteering that fed off a handful of real, but ultimately minor, supply disruptions. So whose to say that oil won't stay down over the long-run (i.e., next 5, 10, 15 years)?


User currently offlineBoeing74741R From United Kingdom, joined Apr 2007, 1180 posts, RR: 0
Reply 10, posted (5 years 11 months 3 weeks 4 days 21 hours ago) and read 9862 times:



Quoting DfwRevolution (Thread starter):
I guess with gas back at reasonable prices and high-revenue truck sales picking up, the American automakers won't be needing that bail-out quite so soon?

Yes they will. It doesn't matter how much of an item they are selling, it's how much CASH they are getting from sold items, and even then it will be a while before it is recognised in the books and off the 'Accounts Receivable' entry. In the case of GM in particular, they will need sales to explode by 100x (and hope a lot of those customers pay upfront) to avoid running out of cash imminently and having no choice but to go bust unless the US Government agrees to bail them out.

It will be interesting to see what Chrysler, Ford and GM do should they receive the loans.

Quoting Acheron (Reply 1):
Which means people haven't learned their lesson and think Oil is going to be down permanently even when the economy recovers, which I think its going to be quite the opposite of what actually happens.

Exactly! Fuel-efficient cars are great when prices at the pumps are high and no doubt owners of such cars will be laughing even more if prices plummet significantly and the cost of filling a tank to run over 600 miles costs a mere £30.

Before anyone gets technical, the 600 miles for just £30 was a rough guess off the top of my head for example purposes, and is not based on factors like prices per litre, fuel type, car engine/mpg, driving style etc etc.


User currently offlineAsuflyer05 From United States of America, joined Feb 2004, 2373 posts, RR: 3
Reply 11, posted (5 years 11 months 3 weeks 4 days 20 hours ago) and read 9847 times:

Ford announced this week that they are increasing overtime at their plant producing the new F-150 to meet demand.

User currently offlineAsuflyer05 From United States of America, joined Feb 2004, 2373 posts, RR: 3
Reply 12, posted (5 years 11 months 3 weeks 4 days 20 hours ago) and read 9829 times:



Quoting Boeing74741R (Reply 10):
In the case of GM in particular, they will need sales to explode by 100x (and hope a lot of those customers pay upfront) to avoid running out of cash imminently and having no choice but to go bust unless the US Government agrees to bail them out.

Car manufacturers don't get paid when a car retails. They get paid when they deliver a car to a dealer. Once a car is on the lot at a dealership, the dealership owns the vehicle. They pay the cost of keeping the car on the lot. Once a car retails at a dealership, whether it is paid for in cash or financed through a bank, the dealership gets paid in full.


User currently offlinePyrex From Portugal, joined Aug 2005, 4038 posts, RR: 28
Reply 13, posted (5 years 11 months 3 weeks 4 days 17 hours ago) and read 9769 times:



Quoting Boeing74741R (Reply 10):
Before anyone gets technical, the 600 miles for just £30 was a rough guess off the top of my head for example purposes, and is not based on factors like prices per litre, fuel type, car engine/mpg, driving style etc etc.

Entirely possible. A couple of weeks ago I put almost 300 miles on a rental Mustang (piece of shit car, but that's another story) and put a total of $19 of gas into it.



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User currently offlineDougloid From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 14, posted (5 years 11 months 3 weeks 4 days 17 hours ago) and read 9762 times:



Quoting Cptkrell (Reply 8):
With so many folks beating up on pick ups, it WOULD be unusual (and interesting) to get reliable figures on what percentage pickups are purchased for (and by) bling-bling, wannabe cowboys, and other dolts versus those sold for utilitarian and in some cases dual use where affording two or more vehicles is not possible.

One thing that I believe a lot of people who do not own pickup trucks miss is that they are damned useful vehicles to have. I don't care if you live in town. If you do anything at all, having one parked in the driveway is a blessing. I've got an 87 Mitsubishi pickup that hauls all sorts of crap for me and I wouldn't be without it. I almost bought a mid eighties Chevrolet 3/4 ton pickup a couple weeks ago, it was in good shape with little rust and the seller was asking $900. They're useful and practical vehicles that you can use to schlep stuff around with all day long.


User currently offlineMason From United States of America, joined Jun 1999, 748 posts, RR: 1
Reply 15, posted (5 years 11 months 3 weeks 4 days 14 hours ago) and read 9709 times:



Quoting Dougloid (Reply 14):
One thing that I believe a lot of people who do not own pickup trucks miss is that they are damned useful vehicles to have. I don't care if you live in town. If you do anything at all, having one parked in the driveway is a blessing. I've got an 87 Mitsubishi pickup that hauls all sorts of crap for me and I wouldn't be without it. I almost bought a mid eighties Chevrolet 3/4 ton pickup a couple weeks ago, it was in good shape with little rust and the seller was asking $900. They're useful and practical vehicles that you can use to schlep stuff around with all day long.

True, except here in America, we have thrown practicality out the window, and instead opt for the biggest, shiniest rims and lift kits for our trucks, mostly in the case of short men, or single women who want some psudo protection. The other day while on a jog, I saw a newer F250 or something huge, ugly Ford crew cab, lift, huge rims, big pipes, loud, lights the works, towing an 8 foot U-Haul trailer. I had to stop running to contain my laughter. Most of these trucks go untethered and never get dirty unless there is a puddle in the Wal Mart parking lot or the drive-thru. Anyone wonder why we're in a recession? Generation X-cess.


User currently offlineCptkrell From United States of America, joined Sep 2001, 3220 posts, RR: 12
Reply 16, posted (5 years 11 months 3 weeks 4 days 13 hours ago) and read 9685 times:

Mason..."True except here in America..."?

Nice anecdotal observation. Probably just that...anecdotal; (BTW, why do most of the pickem'up truck haters always seem to make some kind of sexuality reference in their diatribes?).

If you'd noticed my Rep8, and Dougloid's Rep9, this thread, maybe you'd have spent a little time trying to find out some news for us rather than drivelling your "on a jog" trip report. I guess you think your local jogging speaks for all of us "here in America"?

...jack



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User currently offlinePPVRA From Brazil, joined Nov 2004, 8971 posts, RR: 39
Reply 17, posted (5 years 11 months 3 weeks 4 days 12 hours ago) and read 9662 times:



Quoting Asuflyer05 (Reply 11):


Ford announced this week that they are increasing overtime at their plant producing the new F-150 to meet demand.

And they still can't make any money, huh?



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User currently offlineZkpilot From New Zealand, joined Mar 2006, 4841 posts, RR: 9
Reply 18, posted (5 years 11 months 3 weeks 4 days 11 hours ago) and read 9645 times:



Quoting Francoflier (Reply 7):
Quoting Zkpilot (Reply 3):
The new model Imprezas and Foresters are proving to be pretty popular with sales going up by 20-100% in many places over the previous models.

The fact that the new fugly impreza is selling better than the last one is amazing...
Do people actually like this car, or is it just good marketing/good pricing? I don't doubt it's a good drive, but I couldn't get past the 1990's Korean look for Japanese car money...

Parts of it are fugly for sure, but the old one was not the best looking! Funny you say Korean look, the whole idea of moving to a hothatch was to make it more European styling... if anything it looks more like the Ford Focus hatch....The Mazda 3 looks very similar too.
You're from France and you are commenting on a cars style???  Yeah sure LOL
The car is larger, yet lighter than the older model, is more fuel efficient and a more comfortable drive... however in the 08 WRX this was a bad thing which is why they are now calling that the GT and have made an 09 WRX with 40 something more HP, more torque, bigger wheels, performance suspension and bodykit.



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User currently offlineMason From United States of America, joined Jun 1999, 748 posts, RR: 1
Reply 19, posted (5 years 11 months 3 weeks 4 days 11 hours ago) and read 9643 times:



Quoting Cptkrell (Reply 16):
Nice anecdotal observation. Probably just that...anecdotal; (BTW, why do most of the pickem'up truck haters always seem to make some kind of sexuality reference in their diatribes?).

If you'd noticed my Rep8, and Dougloid's Rep9, this thread, maybe you'd have spent a little time trying to find out some news for us rather than drivelling your "on a jog" trip report. I guess you think your local jogging speaks for all of us "here in America"?

Woah, no need to get nasty, just a friendly observation. I don't hate trucks, I just find amusement in these 'wanna-be cowboys' as you so nicely put it. Most of the trucks I see actually being used for their intended purpose (towing heavy equipment, horse trailers, or work trucks) are plain, stock models, and are just as capible, if not more so, as the blinged-out ones. I think the industry has been very good at adapting to the need of the average truck user, at least in America, over the last several years. I used to live in Chile, where there were some awesome trucks (Ranger quad-cab diesel, yeah), all of them quad-cab. At that time, those were rare in the States. Today, you'd be hard pressed to find a new truck, full size or not, that isn't a quad-cab. They're more powerful and yet more fuel-efficient than yesterdays models. For a family, or even an individual that needs a do-it-all vehicle, you can't beat a pickup.

America is a truck culture (well, small-town America, at least). The phenomanon of driving something just for the image is old, and reaches well beyond the realm of trucks. As for drivel, sorry to waste your time. If it's answers you want, this forum is the last place I would look.


User currently offlineDerico From Argentina, joined Dec 1999, 4314 posts, RR: 11
Reply 20, posted (5 years 11 months 3 weeks 4 days 11 hours ago) and read 9643 times:



Quoting DfwRevolution (Reply 9):
Some analyst are estimating that the price for a barrel of crude oil could level off at $25 US dollars next year. Oil is not running out in the next decade, the one after that, or even the one after that. What we experienced these last few years was rampant speculation and profiteering that fed off a handful of real, but ultimately minor, supply disruptions.

And you really believe that ''speculation'' was just a one time thing??

If that's what all those who are buying innefficient cars believe (innefficient in the sense of do they need them for their daily living since obviously a farmer might need a big truck, but somene living in a flat within 200 meters of a subway station... hmmm, not so much), then perhaps they need to borrow some money at 0% interest from a bank (which eventually will come since the planet is printing money like end of the year confetti), and put it in an oil tracking Market Vehicle.

At least they will make some cash to pay for gas, since they won't be alone in looking to get better returns on their money than 0%, and oil will go to 300 dollars in 2012 or 2013.

That is virtually guaranteed when world currencies are being printed at the current rate.



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User currently offlineFrancoflier From France, joined Oct 2001, 3814 posts, RR: 11
Reply 21, posted (5 years 11 months 3 weeks 4 days 5 hours ago) and read 9566 times:



Quoting Zkpilot (Reply 18):
Funny you say Korean look, the whole idea of moving to a hothatch was to make it more European styling... if anything it looks more like the Ford Focus hatch....The Mazda 3 looks very similar too.

They completely missed the target in my view, really. The Mazda 3 is ok, so is the Focus, but this, I don't see it at all. it reminds me of old Daewoo's, before GM got theirs hands on it (not that they did much good to it...).
But then I was a big fan of the old impreza so my sourness might come from disappointment...

Quoting Zkpilot (Reply 18):
You're from France and you are commenting on a cars style??? LOL

Oh, ye of little taste...  biggrin 



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User currently offlineCpd From Australia, joined Jun 2008, 4880 posts, RR: 37
Reply 22, posted (5 years 11 months 3 weeks 4 days 5 hours ago) and read 9560 times:



Quoting DfwRevolution (Thread starter):
10. Nissan Altima 10,828 units
9. Honda CR-V 12,153
8. Chevy Impala 12,851
7. Dodge Ram 15,538
6. Honda Accord 17,430
5. Honda Civic 17,690
4. Toyota Corolla 21,807
3. Toyota Camry 22,224
2. Chevy Silverado 29,534
1. Ford F-Series 37,911

Why am I suddenly feeling very sleepy after reading positions 3 through 6, then 8 to 9...

Quoting Francoflier (Reply 7):
I don't doubt it's a good drive, but I couldn't get past the 1990's Korean look for Japanese car money...

The new Impreza isn't even that great a drive. The top versions are slack compared to the old and stove-hot 2.0L STi versions we used to get from Japan. (and the brilliant 22B). The old ones sounded better too.  Smile


User currently offlineKC135TopBoom From United States of America, joined Jan 2005, 12173 posts, RR: 51
Reply 23, posted (5 years 11 months 3 weeks 4 days 4 hours ago) and read 9553 times:

I will be buying a new '09 Ford F-150, probibly in March 2009, during Ford's annual "truck month". Yes, I already have a '03 F-150 (75,000 miles on it), which I will trade in, unless I sell it out right. Like many Americans, I like having a truck. But, I do use my truck to tow my camper, and throwing lots of camping equipment in the bed. My sons have also borrowed it when they move to different apartments (I do have a bed liner).

I have considered buying a new truck now, the prices on left over '08 F-150s is tempting, but, I'll hold off, for now.

I don't usually drive my truck to work, I also have a '07 Ford Focus, and a '95 Buick Century.

In 2010, I'll consider trading in both the Focus and Buick for a new 2010 Mercury Milan Hybrid. I will still need two vehicles, and the new Merc and new F-150 look like what I want.


User currently offline2H4 From United States of America, joined Oct 2004, 8956 posts, RR: 60
Reply 24, posted (5 years 11 months 3 weeks 3 days 17 hours ago) and read 9477 times:
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One of the reasons (I suspect) for the recent popularity of the Silverado and F-Series is the massive discounting that has been available. A relative of mine picked up a new Chevy truck a few weeks ago for USD$12,000 off sticker price. I forget what the original MSRP was, but I recall he got it for somewhere in the neighborhood of 30-40% off.

Quoting Francoflier (Reply 7):
The fact that the new fugly impreza is selling better than the last one is amazing...

I think Car and Driver put it best when, in an article about the new Impreza, they opened with "Subaru has done a terrific job of re-creating the Toyota Camry", or something to that effect.

In my opinion, the two generations are so different, they could successfully be sold side-by-side as two entirely different models.

What I can't figure out is how they can charge a $14-15,000 premium for the STI when it's slower than the basic WRX.

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25 MAH4546 : The numbers aren't as high as people would think. Pick-ups traditionally sell only 20-30% to fleet customers; compact pick-ups even less (Dakota, i.e
26 Falcon84 : KC, how do you like the Focus? It's a car I'd be interested in, since it's in the general price range of what I MIGHT be able to afford brand-new.
27 PHLBOS : IIRC, it wasn't that long ago that Ford delayed their launch of the '09 F-150 because they still had a ton of '08s still on the lot. That would be a
28 StasisLAX : These pick-up trucks are sold to fleets in huge numbers - public utility companies, construction companies, and so on. They always seem to sell alot
29 Zkpilot : It's not slower, it does the same 0-60mph time (when it should be faster for the premium). The reasoning for the same time is that it is a 6speed man
30 Superfly : What you need to realize is that many of those models are sold as fleet vehicles. Many of those trucks sold went to utility companies, paramedics, to
31 Flighty : Those trucks are very big. It seems America's penises are shrinking again!
32 Superfly : Dude, you can't be serious.
33 MAH4546 : No, they actually didn't. Based on the latest data split, fleet sales only account for roughly 20% of F-Series sales; 17% of Silverado sales, 11% of
34 Cptkrell : Flighty...geeze, with your infatuation with penises, why not spend more time in front of the bathroom mirror looking at yourself instead of boring thi
35 Superfly : I was correct. You take those fleet sales away and I am sure they wouldn't rank as high. Not sure why your data has the Silverado and Sierra listed a
36 Greaser : I think the 2009 STI is going to have 325 bhp. I saw one the other day and didn't really understand the four exhaust pipes - 1 for every ~75 horsepow
37 2H4 : Impreza WRX 0-60 - 4.7 seconds 5-60 - 6.7 seconds 1/4 mi - 13.5@102mph Source - Car and Driver magazine, Jan 2009 Impreza WRX STI 0-60 - 5.1 seconds
38 MAH4546 : No, you were not correct. Remove those fleet sales, and they would still be #1 and #2, and the Ram would still be #7. The Impala is 60%+ fleet, it fa
39 TSS : I'd guess for the same reason that Mercury Marquis and (now departed) Ford Crown Victoria were listed separately: slightly different trim and separat
40 MAH4546 : Ford Crown Victoria is alive and well, but only sold to fleet customers. It was 93.8% fleet in 2007, so I doubt dealers are missing it much. Grand Ma
41 Superfly : Well guess there is a need for these kinds of trucks. The OP was talking as if the success of these platforms was somehow a bad thing. It would be ba
42 Post contains images MAH4546 : Not sure if you are saying that because you aren't a fan of car-based SUVs (I hate them too), but the M-Class is a truck-based SUV that is just as ca
43 Zkpilot : I agree that they need one preferably a 7 speed DSG. I'm not sure about in the US, but in most markets Subaru offers 2 versions of the STI (different
44 2H4 : Well, you're certainly entitled to your opinion, but having personally assisted the Car and Driver Road Test Coodinator and several of their editors
45 Superfly : Capable for what? I only see them driven by spoiled prima donnas. Any examples of a German equivalent of the F-150 and Silvarado/Sierra that your ups
46 Greaser : There is a remarkable varying of 0-60 times. Subaru themselves say 0-60 for the wrx in 5.4, almost everyone else (as in mags, etc) say 4.7-5.1 Notabl
47 TSS : Upon what truck is the M-Class based?
48 Zkpilot : Interesting... As I mentioned previously the STI is a faster car in all aspects except 0-60 where it is either only slightly faster or the same due t
49 AvObserver : Some U.S. buyers do have short memories and will go back to big cars but I think most will now be sensible and not go bigger than they really need to
50 2H4 : Not just the 0-60. Also the 5-60 (which is useful information, as it eliminates launch technique from the acceleration equation) and the 1/4 mile tim
51 Greaser : I think we can all agree that in terms of straight line speed, given the US$10,000 difference between the STI and the WRX, a good tuner could get the
52 Flighty : Guys part of the issue is Subaru did an emergency rework of the WRX. As a result it is almost as good as an STi. But that was not the original plan. P
53 MAH4546 : So what? Doesn't change the fact they are capable. Whoever said I was upset that full-size pickups sell well? I couldn't care less - Americans like t
54 STLGph : yes, where are the prices these cars/trucks were sold at? dealers across the board have been slashing prices and offering unbelievable incentives to
55 Superfly : Well aware of those gas-guzzling eco-catastrophes. Who's hurt here?
56 MAH4546 : Yeah, because a Ford F-350 is so much worse a gas guzzler. I'm a little confused by your "selective" arguments. Why is a G500 a gas-guzzling catastro
57 WunalaYann : Friendly advice - don't go there. You haven't heard the end of it with Superfly.
58 Superfly : Are you serious? The F-350 is often used as a commercial vehicle. They serve a purpose. They tow things, haul heavy equipment, etc. The F-350 / E-350
59 Cptkrell : Just clarify something for future reference bantering, the Sierra and Silverado aren't "exactly" the same truck, not with current editions, anyway. Ye
60 Superfly : Typical GM to make subtle changes that aren't noticeable but drive mechanics and gearheads nuts when replacing parts! I like Ford's keep it simple ap
61 MAH4546 : Not as often as you think. The majority of F-350 sales are to private individuals. I've taken mine off-road, and there are plenty of G-Class off-road
62 Superfly : Private individuals that have their own business. The F-150 is not a flashy 'look at me' kind of truck. Those looking for that kind of a truck buy Me
63 Post contains links and images WunalaYann :
64 Post contains images MAH4546 : I have no reason to lie. I enjoy taking vehicles off-road. I typically would buy my SUVs in white just so the dirt shows better, although the G looks
65 Superfly : Not stereotyping at all. You have to be one of the few in the US that would take their G-class off road. I am sure you know that. On a side note, loo
66 Post contains images WunalaYann : Considering that's what Steyr Puch had in mind when they introduced it in 1979 in the first place, that's not surprising. I shall remind a.netters th
67 Superfly : WunalaYann : No one doubts it's capability. As I said above, a guy around the block from me has a 1983 model he had imported here to San Francisco yea
68 Cptkrell : Hey, 'Fly, the sheetmetal changes aren't THAT subtle; it's the initial visual impact of the proportions. But, yes, I agree w/you. Many have suggested
69 Superfly : That is not how those trucks come. That is heavily modified by so dude that just wants to 'look' tough. Trust me, there are flashier trucks that roll
70 Cptkrell : Larry, it would be brand suicide to dump the best-selling nameplate in your corporation. My last sentence in my last post was "...it takes a little ex
71 MAH4546 : Which is why it would be brand suicide to dump GMC in Canada, where GMC models have historically outsold their Chevrolet counterparts. GMC has a high
72 Cptkrell : MAH4546...I'm thinking that when I was associated with our Canadian Ops for Camaro mfg in Ste Trieste and later the opening of GM Cntr, Vancouver I re
73 MAH4546 : That pretty much is the case, although the sales gap has narrowed in the past year with the collapse of the car sales in Canada. The GMC Sierra has t
74 ABQ747 : Kind of off-topic-- Is it true that the first Mercedes dealership in the US to sell the G-Class was the one in Santa Fe, NM? I thought I read that so
75 MAH4546 : The Mercedes-Benz G-Class used to be distributed by Europa Motors, not Mercedes-Benz of North America. So the only place to buy a Mercedes G-Class wa
76 L410Turbolet : How about doing some reasearch first ??? a) G and GL are two completely different animals. G-class certainly is not an SUV to begin with, it's a body
77 MAH4546 : There is nothing questionable about the off-road performance of a GL-Class, or an M-Class. Even though Mercedes-Benz switched to unibody, they are ex
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