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Ford Explorer - Size Question  
User currently offlineLNv22 From Norway, joined Mar 2008, 182 posts, RR: 0
Posted (5 years 4 months 1 week 3 days 12 hours ago) and read 2901 times:

Hi,

As I am from Norway, I'm not used to American cars, therefore I have a size question.

I have rented a Ford Explorer 2008. I'm going to drive from Washington D.C to LA and then to San Francisco. I have three passengers, so we are four people total.

Is a Ford Explorer 2008 a comfortable car for this trip?

Any advice is appreciated  

(Edit: Not sure if I get the V8 or V6, but I opted for the V8)

[Edited 2008-12-09 04:31:39]


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User currently offlineMolykote From United States of America, joined Aug 2005, 1337 posts, RR: 29
Reply 1, posted (5 years 4 months 1 week 3 days 12 hours ago) and read 2886 times:
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The Explorer should have enough room for 4 people but you may find yourself wondering why this reasonably large truck doesn't provide more space for its occupants. Personally, I find cars like the Jetta to be more accomodating to 4 passengers than something like the Explorer (maybe it's the terrible quality of interior materials that American car manufacturers are in love with).

Admittedly, something in the Jetta size class may not be large enough to accomodate all of your luggage. However, I'd rather drive from DC to San Francisco in something a Ford Crown Victoria (large V8 sedan) than an Explorer. If your rental agency operates a Ford fleet this may be an option.

The Crown Victoria has a reasonably large trunk (or at least is shaped well to accomodate luggage). It should also offer a much better ride than the Explorer but will not improve on the dreadful interior quality. I honestly don't like the Crown Victoria but it would definitely be better suited this mission.

I'm not well experienced in American cars but these are my opinions. I think that you could certianly do better than an Explorer. If you can find a rental agency with Toyotas, look for a Highlander (if you want an SUV) or Avalon (if you want a large cruiser). The only thing to recommend the Fords would be using a stereotypical American car for your stereotypical American road trip  

Note: The Mercury Grand Marquis is the same car as the Ford Crown Victoria. You may find one or the other if you choose to abandon the Explorer. Ironically, some very close Norweigan friends rented a Grand Marquis when they visited the US this year (on a trip much like your own).

[Edited 2008-12-09 04:55:17]


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User currently offlineLNv22 From Norway, joined Mar 2008, 182 posts, RR: 0
Reply 2, posted (5 years 4 months 1 week 3 days 11 hours ago) and read 2877 times:

Thanks for the advice Molykote!

Quoting Molykote (Reply 1):
The only thing to recommend the Fords would be using a stereotypical American car for your stereotypical American road trip

You got us there   We opted for this kind of car as we wanted to drive an American SUV, kind of stereotypical for this trip. We thought about and was given the option about a BMW X5, but heck, that's what I drive here in Europe, and the back seats of an X5 are just too cramped...

The Highlander is interesting, but I don't think my rental company got that.

They got the Ford Exhibition in a 7 seat config, but they said that the Explorer was enough for 4 persons.. My thoughts was maybe that the Exhibition had bigger back seats, but that was denied by the person at Hertz, saying that it just was longer and had an additional row of seats.

Is he right?

[Edited 2008-12-09 05:22:53]


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User currently offlineFalstaff From United States of America, joined Jun 2006, 5961 posts, RR: 27
Reply 3, posted (5 years 4 months 1 week 3 days 11 hours ago) and read 2860 times:
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Quoting LNv22 (Reply 2):
They got the Ford Exhibition in a 7 seat config, but they said that the Explorer was enough for 4 persons.. My thoughts was maybe that the Exhibition had bigger back seats, but that was denied by the person at Hertz, saying that it just was longer and had an additional row of seats.

Is he right?

The Expedition is a much larger truck built on a 1/2 ton truck frame. It is very similar to the F-150. The Explorer is on a 1/4 ton truck frame. The Expedition is all around a bigger truck. The length, width and height are all different. Back in the day these kinds of vehicles were still called trucks, not SUVs. If you really want to be stereotypical go for the bigger truck. The Expedition will have more room for seating and more luggage space.

Quoting Molykote (Reply 1):
The Crown Victoria has a reasonably large trunk (or at least is shaped well to accomodate luggage). It should also offer a much better ride than the Explorer but will not improve on the dreadful interior quality. I honestly don't like the Crown Victoria but it would definitely be better suited this mission.

Rent a Lincoln Town Car. It is way nicer than the Crown Vic and if you can rent the "L" model it has an extra six inches of rear leg room because of its extended frame.



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User currently offlineThePRGuy From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 4, posted (5 years 4 months 1 week 3 days 10 hours ago) and read 2842 times:

We rented the smaller "Escape" when away in Iceland for a week in October.

We would probably go for the larger Explorer next time just because it is more capable in tricky conditions, but neither vehicle are that big.

Alex


User currently onlineSTT757 From United States of America, joined Mar 2000, 16691 posts, RR: 51
Reply 5, posted (5 years 4 months 1 week 3 days 10 hours ago) and read 2836 times:

The new Explorers are excellent, my parents own a new Mercury Mountaineer which is virtually the same vehicle, it's the roomiest Explorer yet (they've owned three going back to 1996) and has many cool features. For one thing the rear seats recline, almost as much as the front seats. That's something your not going to find in a Jetta, and it makes long trips more comfortable.

Also if you can get the Satellite radio, it's worth it for long trips.



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User currently offlineDesertJets From United States of America, joined Feb 2000, 7737 posts, RR: 16
Reply 6, posted (5 years 4 months 1 week 3 days 8 hours ago) and read 2808 times:

The Explorer is plenty big on the inside. Honestly if you got 4 guys driving cross country I'd be inclined to get a minivan. A ton more room for your stuff and plenty of sprawl room too. The fuel economy will likely be somewhat better than the Explorer but not by too much. I would try and avoid a Dodge/Chrysler minivan though... not because they are bad vans (the new ones are quite good) just with the stow and go the back seats suck. They maybe ok for the kids, but for adults they leave a bit to be desired. Otherwise the 2 rows of bucket seats will be plenty comfortable.


Your reservation for an Explorer could be for any mid-sized SUV/CUV. Some of which will be bigger or smaller inside than an Explorer. So if all else fails ask to see whichever vehicle you get before driving off the Hertz lot.



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User currently offlinePHLBOS From United States of America, joined Mar 2004, 7482 posts, RR: 24
Reply 7, posted (5 years 4 months 1 week 3 days 8 hours ago) and read 2786 times:

Quoting Molykote (Reply 1):
The Explorer should have enough room for 4 people but you may find yourself wondering why this reasonably large truck doesn't provide more space for its occupants.

Out of curiousity, what vintage Explorer are you basing that conclusion on?

The first generation models (1991-2001, the 2-door Sport and 1st gen. Sport Trac truck lasted a little later) essentially had the same cabin width (and even instrument panel) as the COMPACT Ranger pick-up truck. Some of the early versions ('91-'94) even offered a front bench seat to allow for 3-across seating in the front, which can be a bit tight depending on the size of the middle passenger. This was also (and still is) true with the Ranger pick-up.

The second generation models (2002-present) are longer and WIDER than the earlier generation.

Having ridden in both an early version (my father once had a '94 model) and a current version (a friend of mine has an '08 model); the new one is definitely roomier IMHO.

Quoting LNv22 (Reply 2):
My thoughts was maybe that the Exhibition had bigger back seats, but that was denied by the person at Hertz, saying that it just was longer and had an additional row of seats.

Is he right?

One thing to keep in mind here is that unless the particular saleperson at the rental agency (this in NOT just a Hertz issue) is either an auto enthusiast or affectionado; I would take many of their comments regarding vehicles with a grain of salt. On occasions, I've caught a few of them that are clueless when it comes to various vehicle types. One's almost better off checking the manufacturer's own web-site (another convenience of the Internet) for genuine vehicle information and specs.

Another thing to keep in mind (unsure if this is true for SUVs but it's definitely true for cars) is that agencies over-class their vehicles. What would be considered a compact to the average person, they call a mid-size; what's considered a mid-size to most is considered a full-size to them. If one wants to rent a true full-size like either the Grand Marquis or Town Car; one has to opt for a Premium or Executive class car. Some agencies view the Ford Fusion as a full-size.

Quoting Falstaff (Reply 3):
The Expedition is a much larger truck built on a 1/2 ton truck frame. It is very similar to the F-150. The Explorer is on a 1/4 ton truck frame. The Expedition is all around a bigger truck. The length, width and height are all different. Back in the day these kinds of vehicles were still called trucks, not SUVs. If you really want to be stereotypical go for the bigger truck. The Expedition will have more room for seating and more luggage space.

   The Expedition is Ford's FULL-SIZE SUV whereas the Explorer is their MID-SIZE SUV (although the first generation was initially considered a compact SUV when it rolled out).

Quoting Molykote (Reply 1):
However, I'd rather drive from DC to San Francisco in something a Ford Crown Victoria (large V8 sedan) than an Explorer. If your rental agency operates a Ford fleet this may be an option.

If they don't offer the Crown Vic; they may offer the Grand Marquis. It's a lot more common these days for rental agencies to carry more than one brand.

IMHO, if one's doing a cross-country drive; a full-size car like the Crown Vic./Grand Marquis and/or the Lincoln Town Car is much better suited than a SUV... unless your luggage/cargo needs require more than 20 cubic feet. It's too bad that station wagon versions of these vehicles (last offered in 1991; GM had them through 1996) weren't still available; those were best suited for cross-country road trips.

Another thing to consider, unlike either the Expedition and Explorer (even w/the base V6 engine) SUVs; the V8-powered Crown Vic/Grand Marquis and Lincoln Town Car can actually obtain better highway fuel economy (over 22 mpg). On 2 different occasions, my brother rented Crown Victorias (once in '94 and another a 2002 model) and exceeded 25 mpg doing all highway runs.

Something to think about even with the price of gas dropping.

Quoting ThePRGuy (Reply 4):
We rented the smaller "Escape" when away in Iceland for a week in October.

We would probably go for the larger Explorer next time just because it is more capable in tricky conditions, but neither vehicle are that big.

   WHAT?????

Maybe compared to the full-size Expedition but if one compares the Escape to the Explorer, one will clearly see and know that the Explorer is a much larger vehicle than the Escape.

[Edited 2008-12-09 09:23:14]


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User currently offlineLNv22 From Norway, joined Mar 2008, 182 posts, RR: 0
Reply 8, posted (5 years 4 months 1 week 3 days 7 hours ago) and read 2765 times:

Thanks all for your informative posts!

Quoting STT757 (Reply 5):
For one thing the rear seats recline, almost as much as the front seats. That's something your not going to find in a Jetta, and it makes long trips more comfortable.

Sounds very nice!

Quoting Falstaff (Reply 3):
The Expedition is a much larger truck built on a 1/2 ton truck frame. It is very similar to the F-150. The Explorer is on a 1/4 ton truck frame. The Expedition is all around a bigger truck. The length, width and height are all different. Back in the day these kinds of vehicles were still called trucks, not SUVs. If you really want to be stereotypical go for the bigger truck. The Expedition will have more room for seating and more luggage space.

Yeah, I looked at the specifications and I see that the Expedition is a much bigger car all around.

Quoting DesertJets (Reply 6):
Your reservation for an Explorer could be for any mid-sized SUV/CUV. Some of which will be bigger or smaller inside than an Explorer. So if all else fails ask to see whichever vehicle you get before driving off the Hertz lot.

Yeah, I know. I've made it clear that i want an Explorer V8 and the quote was included in the order.

Quoting Falstaff (Reply 3):
Rent a Lincoln Town Car. It is way nicer than the Crown Vic and if you can rent the "L" model it has an extra six inches of rear leg room because of its extended frame.



Quoting PHLBOS (Reply 7):
If they don't offer the Crown Vic; they may offer the Grnad Marquis. It's a lot more common these days for rental agencies to carry more than one brand.

IMHO, if one's doing a cross-country drive; a full-size car like the Crown Vic./Grand Marquis and/or the Lincoln Town Car is much better suited than a SUV... unless your luggage/cargo needs require more than 20 cubic feet. It's too bad that station wagon versions of these vehicles (last offered in 1991; GM had them through 1996) weren't still available; those were best suited for cross-country road trips.

I think the Lincoln Town Car is a good option, and I voted for that when we began planning this trip in September. My frends however wants a SUV.
We are going now in December and Jaunary and may encounter some snow and more or less difficult driving conditions, therefore a SUV seem the overall best solution.

We also have a lot af baggage, at least four big and hard suitcases.

The salient point is whether the Explorer is big and comfertable enough for such a long drive when loaded with four persons, or if we need a bigger one, like e.g. the Expedition.



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User currently offlineDesertJets From United States of America, joined Feb 2000, 7737 posts, RR: 16
Reply 9, posted (5 years 4 months 1 week 3 days 7 hours ago) and read 2757 times:



Quoting LNv22 (Reply 8):
The salient point is whether the Explorer is big and comfertable enough for such a long drive when loaded with four persons, or if we need a bigger one, like e.g. the Expedition.

The beauty of the internets is that all that info is right at your fingertips...
http://www.cars.com/go/compare/trimC...S302B0,USB90TOS112E0,USB90TOV111B0

Hopefully the link works. I compared an Explorer, an Expedition, a RAV4, and a Sienna. Since these are all alternate choices from Hertz. All of them are fairly big inside, I am especially surprised by the RAV4. I think your choice is fine, you may want to ask to see the car first to make sure it is going to fit your needs before you leave the rental lot. If it were me and 3 other guys and a couple of weeks of stuff I'd take the van.



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User currently offlineThePRGuy From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 10, posted (5 years 4 months 1 week 3 days 7 hours ago) and read 2754 times:



Quoting PHLBOS (Reply 7):
WHAT?????

Maybe compared to the full-size Expedition but if one compares the Escape to the Explorer, one will clearly see and know that the Explorer is a much larger vehicle than the Escape.

Just in comparison to roomy SUVs in Europe - Range Rovers etc - the Explorer looks like a barge from the outside, but isn't THAT huge inside.

Still not a small car...


User currently offlineLNv22 From Norway, joined Mar 2008, 182 posts, RR: 0
Reply 11, posted (5 years 4 months 1 week 2 days 15 hours ago) and read 2679 times:



Quoting DesertJets (Reply 9):

Interesting site  Smile

Well, I will keep the Explorer, and check it out before i leave the Hertz lot.

Thanks for all the replys and help  thumbsup 

I'm sooo looking forward to this trip now!

Cheers!

LNv22



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User currently offlineMolykote From United States of America, joined Aug 2005, 1337 posts, RR: 29
Reply 12, posted (5 years 4 months 1 week 2 days 4 hours ago) and read 2642 times:
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Quoting PHLBOS (Reply 7):
Out of curiousity, what vintage Explorer are you basing that conclusion on?

I have more familiarity with the old models but have ridden in a recent (2007ish) Mercury equivalent. It did seem roomier than the old one but still struck me as not more than "adequate" for 4 people. I never followed SUVs that closely. The Ford always felt like it had a smaller and less useful interior to me (I never looked up the actual numbers).

Personally, if I wanted an SUV I'd probably buy a Tahoe. It has nice passenger space and a usable cargo area without being so big as a Suburban.



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User currently offlinePHLBOS From United States of America, joined Mar 2004, 7482 posts, RR: 24
Reply 13, posted (5 years 4 months 1 week 2 days 3 hours ago) and read 2634 times:



Quoting Molykote (Reply 12):
Personally, if I wanted an SUV I'd probably buy a Tahoe. It has nice passenger space and a usable cargo area without being so big as a Suburban.

You do realize that the Tahoe and Explorer are 2 different size categories in the SUV market? The Tahoe's a full-size and the Explorer's a mid-size. That's why the Tahoe is roomier.

Ford's rival to the Tahoe is the larger Expedition.

Chevy's rival to the Explorer is the TrailBlazer.

FYI, Ford's rival to the Suburban is the stretched Expedition EL.



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User currently offlineA332 From Canada, joined Feb 2005, 1644 posts, RR: 2
Reply 14, posted (5 years 4 months 1 week 2 days 3 hours ago) and read 2626 times:



Quoting Molykote (Reply 12):
Personally, if I wanted an SUV I'd probably buy a Tahoe. It has nice passenger space and a usable cargo area without being so big as a Suburban.

The Tahoe has almost no cargo room if you need to use the optional 3rd row seating. I used to own a 2003 Yukon and that was the one part I didn't like... barely any cargo space when the 3rd row is utilized.



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User currently offlinePHLBOS From United States of America, joined Mar 2004, 7482 posts, RR: 24
Reply 15, posted (5 years 4 months 1 week 2 days 3 hours ago) and read 2621 times:



Quoting A332 (Reply 14):
The Tahoe has almost no cargo room if you need to use the optional 3rd row seating. I used to own a 2003 Yukon and that was the one part I didn't like... barely any cargo space when the 3rd row is utilized.

That's where the Suburban comes in handy.



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User currently offlineA332 From Canada, joined Feb 2005, 1644 posts, RR: 2
Reply 16, posted (5 years 4 months 1 week 2 days 2 hours ago) and read 2612 times:



Quoting PHLBOS (Reply 15):
That's where the Suburban comes in handy.

Or.. if you're partial to the "GMC" name plate, the Yukon XL...  Wink

Prior to purchasing the Yukon, I had seriously considered a Denali XL... but it was a little too "glitzy" for me!



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User currently offlineAlfa75 From United States of America, joined May 2005, 614 posts, RR: 0
Reply 17, posted (5 years 4 months 1 week ago) and read 2521 times:

If you are renting from Hertz do yourself a hugh favor and rent a Volvo.

An XC70 or S80 will give a better ride, hold more stuff, get better mileage, and best of all will not kill your back.

Trust me, I work for a Volvo/Lincoln-Mercury dealer and have an S80 for a demo and when I have to test drive a customers L-M product overnight I pay for it by not sleeping well because my back hurts.

Enough said.



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User currently offlineRevelation From United States of America, joined Feb 2005, 11919 posts, RR: 25
Reply 18, posted (5 years 4 months 2 days 12 hours ago) and read 2400 times:



Quoting PHLBOS (Reply 7):

The first generation models (1991-2001, the 2-door Sport and 1st gen. Sport Trac truck lasted a little later) essentially had the same cabin width (and even instrument panel) as the COMPACT Ranger pick-up truck. Some of the early versions ('91-'94) even offered a front bench seat to allow for 3-across seating in the front, which can be a bit tight depending on the size of the middle passenger. This was also (and still is) true with the Ranger pick-up.

The second generation models (2002-present) are longer and WIDER than the earlier generation.

The Ford Explorer Wikipedia page lists the following generations:

Quote:

* 1 Explorer Sport variation
* 2 First generation (1991-1994)
* 3 Second generation (1995-2001)
* 4 Third generation (2002-2005)
* 5 Fourth generation (2006-2009)
* 6 Fifth generation concept

I agree with this.

I drove a first generation, and almost leased one, and am glad I didn't. It would have been a bad deal.

I owned a 2nd generation '96 model from '95-'05. I really enjoyed that vehicle for most of the time I had it. It certainly handled a lot better than the 1st gen I tried. At the end, though, for the last 2 years, it kept leaving me stranded, some major things (the transfer case fried due to a design defect) and some minor things (relays failed, belts failed, etc). I had put a lot of money into maintaining that car and thought I'd get more than 140k miles out of it, but didn't, sigh.

I tried a 3rd generation along the line when I was thinking about what to replace the 2nd generation with. I didn't like it. Ford was morphing their nice truck into a minivan. Yes, I know, most people will never take their SUV off road, but it really sold because one could. I never went off-roading, but I did tow things with it and its 4WD did help me out several times at muddy airfields, etc.

To me, anything with a third row seat isn't a truck, it's a people hauler aka minivan.

By the 5th generation, it won't even be pretending to be a truck any more. It's gonna be a stinking unibody car with an Explorer nameplate on it. Great marketing, Ford! Way to know your customer base! I think one of their best selling nameplates ever will go the way of the Fairlane.



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User currently offlineLNv22 From Norway, joined Mar 2008, 182 posts, RR: 0
Reply 19, posted (5 years 4 months 2 days 11 hours ago) and read 2387 times:



Quoting Alfa75 (Reply 17):

We got the offer for an X5 and XC70/90 also, but..

I've really spent a lot of time in an S80, XC90 and XC70 (and X5 as posted above).. I believe you when you say they are way better than the Explorer.. However, these are cars we ride and use for everyday business home in Norway, and for this trip we want something stereotypical American, like an American SUV..

Volvo and BMW is as far away from the stereotypical American as you get it  Wink



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User currently offlinePHLBOS From United States of America, joined Mar 2004, 7482 posts, RR: 24
Reply 20, posted (5 years 4 months 2 days 10 hours ago) and read 2382 times:



Quoting Revelation (Reply 18):

I was basing my breakdown on the actual PLATFORM changes not just style/cosmetic changes (which is what Wikipedia probably did). For example: if one had to, they could put a nose from a junked 2002 model onto a current model and it would fit. Similar would apply if one placed a 1992 nose onto a 1998 model.

Heck, with the '91-'01 Explorers; one could interchange body & interior parts with the Ranger pick-up.



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User currently offlineRevelation From United States of America, joined Feb 2005, 11919 posts, RR: 25
Reply 21, posted (5 years 4 months 1 day 3 hours ago) and read 2341 times:



Quoting PHLBOS (Reply 20):
I was basing my breakdown on the actual PLATFORM changes not just style/cosmetic changes

I don't think those changes were style and cosmetic changes.

As above, I drove all three of what Wiki calls the first three generations, and they all handled very differently due to suspension changes.

The first generation had the twin traction beam front suspension, and it handled like a pig. There was next to no road feedback, and it handled bumps terribly.

The second generation went to an independent front suspension and it improved both of these issues tremendously, but the rear suspension made some bumps quite uncomfortable.

I don't exactly recall what they did on the third generation because I only test drove it once but I remember the rear suspension handled totally differently. It seemed they went away from the solid rear axle but I could be wrong on that.

In any case, I imagine you could take the suspension off one of these generations and move it to another, but I think it might void your warantee!  Smile

And Wiki says they went to a new upsized frame in the fifth generation (2006) and I don't think that's a cosmetic / style change either.

Anyhow, we're all friends here, right?

Quoting LNv22 (Reply 19):
However, these are cars we ride and use for everyday business home in Norway, and for this trip we want something stereotypical American, like an American SUV..

Explorer will do that for you, but as above, I feel that as it has evolved, it's become more and more like a minivan and less and less like a truck. The Expedition is still a lot closer to it's truck roots than is the Explorer, but it's a lot bigger, heavier, costiler and less nimble.

In any case, the Explorer will be fine, because minivans are All-American too!  Smile

I think one thing you'll notice right away is the American interiors are crappy compared to the BMW and Volvo mentioned above. That's no surprise, because (IMHO) most American homes are crappier than European ones, and I say that as a lfie-long American who has been fortunate enough to visit Europe a few times.

It sounds like a fun trip - let us know how it goes!



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User currently offlineMham001 From United States of America, joined Feb 2005, 3389 posts, RR: 2
Reply 22, posted (5 years 4 months 1 day 2 hours ago) and read 2327 times:



Quoting Revelation (Reply 21):
I think one thing you'll notice right away is the American interiors are crappy compared to the BMW and Volvo mentioned above.

And for the record, both the Volvo and the BMW have starting base prices at or above the highest maxed Explorer price. They better have nicer interiors.


User currently offlineAlfa75 From United States of America, joined May 2005, 614 posts, RR: 0
Reply 23, posted (5 years 3 months 4 weeks 1 day 20 hours ago) and read 2251 times:



Quoting LNv22 (Reply 19):
Volvo and BMW is as far away from the stereotypical American as you get it

Not here in New England!  Big grin



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User currently offlineAlfa75 From United States of America, joined May 2005, 614 posts, RR: 0
Reply 24, posted (5 years 3 months 4 weeks 1 day 20 hours ago) and read 2244 times:



Quoting Mham001 (Reply 22):
And for the record, both the Volvo and the BMW have starting base prices at or above the highest maxed Explorer price.

I beg to differ. I just priced out the highest maxed out Explorer...$40,438.

Volvo base prices...

C30...$23,800
S40...$28,550
V50...$29,800
S60...$32,800
V70...$32,900
XC70...$37,250
C70...$39,800
S80...$39,600
XC90...$37,000

That's the complete Volvo lineup.

BMW actually has 13 models under $40,438. Granted they are the tiny ones!



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25 Mham001 : We are comparing like vehicles. The XC70/90 and X5 have been thrown out as comparisons. Highest Explorer MSRP I'm finding is $38,000 but no matter. A
26 KaiGywer : Do you guys even read what he said? They WANT an SUV for the "stereotypical feel". So why are you all suggesting cars?
27 Alfa75 : Because SUVs suck, and we want to give guidance. By the way, I say SUVs suck because they give a horrible ride, will eventually hurt your back, and y
28 Mham001 : Your back issues will depend solely on the seats in a particular suv. I can't speak for all but the suvs I've been in will most definitely hold more
29 PHLBOS : Oh boy, someone needs to read (or re-read) the OP to see the reason(s) why we commented the way we did: Notice: LNv22 was asking if the Explorer (obv
30 KaiGywer : OK, going by only the first post, you're right...however...keep reading... ( Once again, read reply 2:
31 PHLBOS : Once again, look at my last word/phrase IMHO. Had I not included it, you would be correct; but since I threw in IMHO, that allows for some poetic lic
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