Fellow militia member Wayne Janak, 60, a carpenter and contractor, is more forthcoming with me. "Three people got shot in just one day!" he tells me, laughing........Janak tells me he assumed the shooting victims, who were African-American, were looters because they were carrying sneakers and baseball caps with them. He guessed that the property had been stolen from a nearby shopping mall. According to Janak, a neighbor "unloaded a riot gun"--a shotgun--"on them. We chased them down."
Nathan Roper, another vigilante, says he was unhappy that outsiders were disturbing his corner of New Orleans and that he was annoyed by the National Guard's decision to use the Algiers Point ferry landing as an evacuation zone.......The storm victims were "hoodlums from the Lower Ninth Ward and that part of the city," he says. "I'm not a prejudiced individual, but you just know the outlaws who are up to no good. You can see it in their eyes."
Dreadnought From United States of America, joined Feb 2008, 6457 posts, RR: 36 Reply 1, posted (3 years 5 months 5 days 13 hours ago) and read 1719 times:
The Nation as a source? Self-described as "The Nation is America's oldest weekly magazine, the flagship of the Left,"?
As believable as posting an article from stormfront.org.
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MD-90 From United States of America, joined Jan 2000, 8227 posts, RR: 15 Reply 2, posted (3 years 5 months 5 days 12 hours ago) and read 1649 times:
Over the course of an eighteen-month investigation, I tracked down figures on all sides of the gunfire, speaking with the shooters of Algiers Point, gunshot survivors and those who witnessed the bloodshed. I interviewed police officers, forensic pathologists, firefighters, historians, medical doctors and private citizens, and studied more than 800 autopsies and piles of state death records. What emerged was a disturbing picture of New Orleans in the days after the storm, when the city fractured along racial fault lines as its government collapsed.
This reporter went looking for a story to support his anti-gun, pro-state, pro-racism article and why shouldn't we be surprised that that's exactly what he's written?
If Herrington's story of how he was shot is anywhere remotely around the truth then clearly a crime was committed and whoever shot him should be prosecuted. But the author's biases are so great (guns are bad, unless it's the State with the guns; whites that live in Algiers Point are a bunch of racists, etc) that the article is annoying to read instead of informative like it should be.
Some of the gunmen prowling Algiers Point were out to wage a race war, says one woman whose uncle and two cousins joined the cause. A former New Orleanian, this source spoke to me anonymously because she fears her relatives could be prosecuted for their crimes. "My uncle was very excited that it was a free-for-all--white against black--that he could participate in," says the woman. "For him, the opportunity to hunt black people was a joy."
Don't believe everything someone tells you....good grief. "The opportunity to hunt black people was a joy?" Sounds like she was pulling the author's leg.
Summary of the story:
1. Guns are bad
2. Only State officials like police officers and military soldiers should have guns
3. Whites living near/in New Orleans tend to be racist
4. Some whites are very anti-black and just itching to kill some of them.
5. Guns are bad.
Mariner From New Zealand, joined Nov 2001, 20619 posts, RR: 91 Reply 3, posted (3 years 5 months 5 days 11 hours ago) and read 1613 times:
Quoting MD-90 (Reply 5): If Herrington's story of how he was shot is anywhere remotely around the truth then clearly a crime was committed and whoever shot him should be prosecuted.
If it is true it stops right there - it doesn't matter what the supposed bias of the author is.
It is the message that matters, not the messenger. If a crime has been committed, it should be investigated.
Quoting MD-90 (Reply 5): But the author's biases are so great (guns are bad, unless it's the State with the guns; whites that live in Algiers Point are a bunch of racists, etc) that the article is annoying to read instead of informative like it should be.
NIKV69 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR: Reply 4, posted (3 years 5 months 5 days 10 hours ago) and read 1518 times:
Quoting MD-90 (Reply 5): "My uncle was very excited that it was a free-for-all--white against black--that he could participate in," says the woman. "For him, the opportunity to hunt black people was a joy."
Falcon84 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR: Reply 5, posted (3 years 5 months 5 days 9 hours ago) and read 1511 times:
Quoting MD-90 (Reply 5): . Guns are bad
2. Only State officials like police officers and military soldiers should have guns
3. Whites living near/in New Orleans tend to be racist
4. Some whites are very anti-black and just itching to kill some of them.
5. Guns are bad.
MD-90 From United States of America, joined Jan 2000, 8227 posts, RR: 15 Reply 6, posted (3 years 5 months 5 days 8 hours ago) and read 1483 times:
1. Guns are not bad, or evil, or wrong.
2. Responsible civilian
3. Some whites, and some blacks, and I'm sure some of every other skin color living near/in New Orleans are racist. This article overwhelmingly tries to convince the read that white people are racist and evil. And apparently only white people own guns and they're evil.
4. 'Whitey' is NOT out to kill black folks. Maybe a few deranged nuts in the entire state of Louisiana would, but I doubt even that.
5. Guns are not bad, or evil, or wrong.
IgneousRocks From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR: Reply 7, posted (3 years 5 months 5 days 8 hours ago) and read 1457 times:
Another article entitled "Killing Fields" from Radar Magazine, April 2008. "New Orleans has always turned a blind eye to sin. But now you can even get away with murder"
NOBODY'S HOME New Orleans' dangerous Lafitte Projects are scheduled to be demolished this year, a move that threatens to exacerbate the city's crime wave (Photo: Greg Miler)
Mariner From New Zealand, joined Nov 2001, 20619 posts, RR: 91 Reply 8, posted (3 years 5 months 5 days 8 hours ago) and read 1450 times:
Quoting MD-90 (Reply 9): This article overwhelmingly tries to convince the read that white people are racist and evil. And apparently only white people own guns and they're evil.
I didn't read it that way. And since the author is white, I doubt he includes himself in that gross generalization.
Quoting MD-90 (Reply 9): . 'Whitey' is NOT out to kill black folks. Maybe a few deranged nuts in the entire state of Louisiana would, but I doubt even that.
So we shouldn't examine that?
I'm not black, but I have been subjected to white violence against blacks in Mississippi, because of my black traveling companion.
The attitude of the local cops was that it was "just the boys letting off a little steam."
Yeh, and their "letting off a little steam" cost me $2000 in the damage done to my car.
Johnboy From United States of America, joined Aug 1999, 2399 posts, RR: 2 Reply 9, posted (3 years 5 months 5 days 5 hours ago) and read 1379 times:
Quoting Cadet57 (Reply 2): Quoting NIKV69 (Reply 1):
The point of this thread is?
Is what amounts to probly more than a few cases of murder not enough?
Indeed.
I mean, nurses and doctors were put on trial for "murder" because they allegedly gave patients deliberate overdoses of narcotics in the days immediately post Katrina.
I don't think it's asking too much to investigate vigilante-style killing is it?
I dunno, maybe it is in some people's mysterious thought-processes.
Dreadnought From United States of America, joined Feb 2008, 6457 posts, RR: 36 Reply 10, posted (3 years 5 months 5 days 3 hours ago) and read 1351 times:
Quoting Johnboy (Reply 11): I don't think it's asking too much to investigate vigilante-style killing is it?
I dunno, maybe it is in some people's mysterious thought-processes.
Considering the mayor of New Orleans is a black man of pretty strong leftist persuasion, I'm sure he would have called loudly for an investigation if there were a hint of truth to this story.
This whole story is made up.
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Mham001 From United States of America, joined Feb 2005, 2557 posts, RR: 3 Reply 11, posted (3 years 5 months 5 days 3 hours ago) and read 1344 times:
Quoting Mariner (Reply 10): I'm not black, but I have been subjected to white violence against blacks in Mississippi,
Ever been subjected to black violence against whites? I have, plenty of times. It happens on both sides. I wouldn't be surprised if the story is true. Now if he were to go to a northern city and look at the other side, I'd say he's objective.
Dreadnought From United States of America, joined Feb 2008, 6457 posts, RR: 36 Reply 16, posted (3 years 5 months 4 days 17 hours ago) and read 1224 times:
Quoting Mariner (Reply 16): You don't think attacks on people or property should be investigated?
If it actually happened, yes. But there are no believable reports it did. So why investigate a non-event?
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Superfly From Thailand, joined May 2000, 36437 posts, RR: 86 Reply 18, posted (3 years 5 months 4 days 11 hours ago) and read 1112 times:
This is a very disturbing thing to read.
Quoting Mariner (Reply 3): If it is true it stops right there - it doesn't matter what the supposed bias of the author is.
It is the message that matters, not the messenger. If a crime has been committed, it should be investigated.
Looks like you got a taste of some of the worst elements in the US on your trip and here and in this thread.
Quoting MD-90 (Reply 6): This article overwhelmingly tries to convince the read that white people are racist and evil.
Me, Mariner and many others read the same article as you and didn't come away with that at all. This is a what you came away with as for what ever reason you feel as though this article was an attack on you.
Why are you so defensive?
Quoting Dreadnought (Reply 16): If it actually happened, yes. But there are no believable reports it did. So why investigate a non-event?
Rather than wasting your time shooting down the article, I found a more major news source.
Now do you care to have a discussion about this event or pretend nothing happened?
It sounds like this story is just recently getting attention. This story could grow legs as pressure is being put on Governor Bobby Jindal and State Attorney General Buddy Caldwell to investigate the shootings.
Dreadnought From United States of America, joined Feb 2008, 6457 posts, RR: 36 Reply 19, posted (3 years 5 months 4 days 8 hours ago) and read 1072 times:
Quoting Superfly (Reply 18): Rather than wasting your time shooting down the article, I found a more major news source.
Your "source" is a rehash of The Nation, in a blog posting.
When you see an independant report from a major news agency or network, let us know. But in the meantime, this story looks bogus. I can find blog postings that say that Obama and Blogo panned to split the profits for his seats (in fact I've already read some), but only a fool would believe it.
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MSYtristar From United States of America, joined Aug 2005, 6013 posts, RR: 53 Reply 21, posted (3 years 5 months 4 days 7 hours ago) and read 1027 times:
The city of New Orleans was lawless for days after Katrina...people need to realize that. All I can say, after hearing stories from people who stayed behind, if this turned out to be true, it would NOT surprise me. There has always seemed to be racial tension in the city, and that tension became more pronounced in the days and weeks and months following Katrina. Some of it was made public, some of it wasn't. Overall it was a sad period in the history of my great city on so many levels. The storm not only brought out the best in man, but also, sadly, the worst.
Edited to say that obviously, anyone with half a brain would know that these freaks are in the minority of the community. The city is home to some amazing people. Unfortunately, many cities in the Deep South (and indeed, probably around the country) are stuck with these bigots.
Superfly From Thailand, joined May 2000, 36437 posts, RR: 86 Reply 22, posted (3 years 5 months 4 days 7 hours ago) and read 1010 times:
Quoting Mariner (Reply 20): That you believe it to be "bogus" - for reasons that are completely obscure to me - doesn't mean it has no validity.
It's Dreadnought's round about way of telling us that he sympathize with these white supremest. Notice how quick he and a few others came in to deny this ever happened?
People don't make this kind of stuff up.
Quoting MSYtristar (Reply 21): if this turned out to be true, it would NOT surprise me. There has always seemed to be racial tension in the city, and that tension became more pronounced in the days and weeks and months following Katrina.
I was thinking the same.
Quoting Dreadnought (Reply 19): When you see an independant report from a major news agency or network, let us know.
Will do.
If this story is true, would you be condemning the acts of these racist with the same amount of passion you displayed in denying this?
Dreadnought From United States of America, joined Feb 2008, 6457 posts, RR: 36 Reply 23, posted (3 years 5 months 4 days 5 hours ago) and read 971 times:
Quoting Superfly (Reply 22): If this story is true, would you be condemning the acts of these racist with the same amount of passion you displayed in denying this?
Absolutely. I have no use for bigots, and even less for those who go from just being assholes to actual violence.
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Glad to see someone from the area chiming in. I understand that after such a disaster, we can't expect everyone to have the most noble of intentions, but after reading about the incidents, it makes me wonder if everyone just expects things to be "swept under the rug?"
I mean, on a completely different scale, we did have the Nueremberg trials after WW2......
MSYtristar From United States of America, joined Aug 2005, 6013 posts, RR: 53 Reply 25, posted (3 years 5 months 3 days 21 hours ago) and read 898 times:
Quoting Johnboy (Reply 24): Glad to see someone from the area chiming in. I understand that after such a disaster, we can't expect everyone to have the most noble of intentions, but after reading about the incidents, it makes me wonder if everyone just expects things to be "swept under the rug?"
This is the first I have heard about this incident, but there was also the well publicized Danziger Bridge case, where N.O.P.D officers killed a couple of civilians on the bridge in the days following the storm when the city was virtually lawless. The officers said it was self defense, while witnesses said it wasn't. This just went to trial, and the officers were cleared of any wrong doing.
Not sure what the solution is. I think there will always be people who try to just wash their hands of the past and pretend things never happened. Hopefully if this latest report turns out to be true, justice will run its course.
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