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Top Guitarists Of All Time?  
User currently offlineYVRLTN From Canada, joined Oct 2006, 2447 posts, RR: 0
Posted (5 years 8 months 2 days 21 hours ago) and read 3235 times:

This is from 2003, but what do you think about this list???

http://www.rollingstone.com/news/sto...atest_guitarists_of_all_time/print

Hendrix is absolutely awesome, but is he really #1?

How does Eddie van Halen come in at #70???

Good to see Jimmy Page & Keith Richards up there, along with George Harrison. Chuck Berry is also a legend and deserves to be up there for his influence on early rock music.

Make your list of top 10 greatest guitarists of all time.


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User currently offlineEA CO AS From United States of America, joined Nov 2001, 13547 posts, RR: 62
Reply 1, posted (5 years 8 months 2 days 13 hours ago) and read 3174 times:
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Kurt Cobain is on this list? SERIOUSLY? And at number 12?

Yeah, the four power chords he knew really brought a lot to the table...  sarcastic 

Eddie Van Halen is 70, but Hendrix is number one? Spare me. And where the hell is Alex Lifeson from Rush? He's definitely in the top 25.

Eddie's not the best - not by a long shot - but he and Alex Lifeson are a lot closer to #1 than Hendrix should be, IMHO.

As someone who has played guitar for over 20 years, this article is a joke.



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User currently offlineSuperfly From Thailand, joined May 2000, 39831 posts, RR: 74
Reply 2, posted (5 years 8 months 2 days 12 hours ago) and read 3169 times:



Quoting EA CO AS (Reply 1):
Kurt Cobain is on this list? SERIOUSLY? And at number 12?

Yeah, the four power chords he knew really brought a lot to the table... sarcastic

Just goes to show that Rolling Stone magazine is worth less than toilet paper.
Brittany Spears was a better guitar player than Kurt Cocaine....err...Cobain and she didn't even play the guitar!



My picks;
Alex Lifeson (RUSH)
Phil Keaggy
Kerry Livgren (Kansas)
Mike Campbell (Tom Petty and the Heartbreakers)
Howard Lease (Heart)
Jeff "Skunk" Baxter (The Doobie Brothers)



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User currently offlineColumba From Germany, joined Dec 2004, 7062 posts, RR: 4
Reply 3, posted (5 years 8 months 2 days 12 hours ago) and read 3170 times:

In no particular order my personal top 10 :

Roy Buchanan

Jimmy Page

Jimmy Hendrix

Eric Clapton

Jack White

George Harrison

Keith Richards

Buddy Guy

Robbie Robertson (The Band)

The Edge

Edit:
Mike Campell from The Heartbreakers   how could I forget


I would also like to add Neil Young so these are my top 12  Smile

[Edited 2008-12-23 03:06:47]


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User currently offlineBeaucaire From Syria, joined Sep 2003, 5252 posts, RR: 25
Reply 4, posted (5 years 8 months 2 days 12 hours ago) and read 3163 times:

Yepes and Segovia ..!
Undisputed !
But that's classical Guitar ..



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User currently offlineRGElectra80 From United States of America, joined Dec 2008, 361 posts, RR: 0
Reply 5, posted (5 years 8 months 2 days 8 hours ago) and read 3122 times:



Quoting YVRLTN (Thread starter):
How does Eddie van Halen come in at #70?

That's odd considering Kirk Hammett comes in at #11 and they cite the solo in "One," one that he used a technique that Van Halen himself popularized 10 years before.

This list is totally bogus. Cobain? Please. Great songwriter, no doubt, but great guitarist, 12th at that, hell no.



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User currently offlineSkyyKat From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 6, posted (5 years 8 months 2 days 8 hours ago) and read 3122 times:



Quoting EA CO AS (Reply 1):
Kurt Cobain is on this list? SERIOUSLY? And at number 12?

 rotfl 

Chord A, Chord G, umm.....REPEAT! (and it started a musical revolution)

Quoting Superfly (Reply 2):
Just goes to show that Rolling Stone magazine is worth less than toilet paper.

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My Picks: (I love hendrix, but way to distorted all the time to make my list)

Jimmy Page

B.B. King

Randy Rhodes

Brian Setzer

Mike Campbell

Peter Frampton

Eric Claption

Carlos Santana (Maybe not the best, but soo damn unique)

Buddy Guy

Kirk Hammett (the old days)


User currently offlineGrahamHill From France, joined Mar 2007, 2813 posts, RR: 2
Reply 7, posted (5 years 8 months 2 days 8 hours ago) and read 3120 times:



Quoting EA CO AS (Reply 1):
Kurt Cobain is on this list? SERIOUSLY? And at number 12?

Yeah I agree. this is a total joke.

Quoting EA CO AS (Reply 1):
As someone who has played guitar for over 20 years, this article is a joke.

I agree. There are choices I really don't understand.

Is this taking into account only the "talent" or as well the influence they had on music?

For example, Derek Trucks deserves better than 81 position... This guy has real talent, much better than people like Cobain or Morello.

I whish Mark Knopfler was higher in the table as well.



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User currently offlineTheSonntag From Germany, joined Jun 2005, 3564 posts, RR: 29
Reply 8, posted (5 years 8 months 2 days 8 hours ago) and read 3108 times:

Richie Blackmore only at 55??? What the hell

User currently offlineSlamClick From United States of America, joined Nov 2003, 10062 posts, RR: 68
Reply 9, posted (5 years 8 months 2 days 8 hours ago) and read 3096 times:

Any "top 100" without Leo Kottke is just evidence that the compiler of the list, regardless of "credentials" doesn't know very much about music.

And if Chuck Berry gets credit for contributions then Les Paul needs to be moved up.



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User currently offlineBR076 From Netherlands, joined May 2005, 1086 posts, RR: 0
Reply 10, posted (5 years 8 months 2 days 6 hours ago) and read 3060 times:

What a joke this list is

not in the top 100:

Joe Satriani

Steve Vai

Yngwie Malmsteen


and Kurt Cobain at 12  Yeah sure



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User currently offlineAlessandro From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 11, posted (5 years 8 months 2 days 5 hours ago) and read 3038 times:

Marty Friedman gets my vote.

User currently offlineMadameConcorde From San Marino, joined Feb 2007, 10893 posts, RR: 37
Reply 12, posted (5 years 8 months 2 days 5 hours ago) and read 3030 times:

Should I name Django Reinhardt as my absolute number one?
He is certainly the best guitarist ever...
Just think of his missing fingers...

Favourite Classical guitarists (my lifetime)
Andres Segovia
Pepe Romero
Alexander Lagoya/Ida Presti
Julian Bream


Favourite Rock guitarists (no precise order)

Jimi Hendrix
Alvin Lee (Ten Years After)
Jeff Beck
David Gilmour
Ritchie Blackmore
Peter Townshend (the Who)
Jimmy Page
George Harrison
Bryan May (Queen) great guy!
Jorma Kaukonen (Jefferson Airplane)



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User currently offlineGrahamHill From France, joined Mar 2007, 2813 posts, RR: 2
Reply 13, posted (5 years 8 months 2 days 5 hours ago) and read 3027 times:



Quoting MadameConcorde (Reply 12):
Should I name Django Reinhardt as my absolute number one?
He is certainly the best guitarist ever...
Just think of his missing fingers...

Absolutely!!



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User currently offlineVictrola From United States of America, joined Apr 2008, 506 posts, RR: 1
Reply 14, posted (5 years 8 months 2 days 4 hours ago) and read 3016 times:

Quoting EA CO AS (Reply 1):
Eddie's not the best - not by a long shot - but he and Alex Lifeson are a lot closer to #1 than Hendrix should be, IMHO

Eddie Van Halen was a pioneer with his tapping style. If you listen to rock music, there are pre Van Halen lead solos and post Van Halen solos. That's why he should be higher up on the list.

Quoting SlamClick (Reply 9):
Any "top 100" without Leo Kottke is just evidence that the compiler of the list, regardless of "credentials" doesn't know very much about music.

I think they confined themselves to Rock and Blues guitarists.

[Edited 2008-12-23 11:05:03]

[Edited 2008-12-23 11:05:53]

User currently offlineSlider From United States of America, joined Feb 2004, 6793 posts, RR: 34
Reply 15, posted (5 years 8 months 2 days 4 hours ago) and read 3007 times:



Quoting EA CO AS (Reply 1):
this article is a joke.

This list, pretty much like almost everything else Rolling Stone does, is bullshit.

First, define “greatness.” Is this by genre? Just rock and roll and blues? What?

Because some of the guys on this list aren’t terribly great but are INFLUENTIAL. In theory, Chuck Berry is always and eternally in the top 3 of all time as a guitar god, but because he’s the freaking father of rock and roll. I love him, but as far as ability, there are thousands of pre-pubescent boys in their bedrooms that play better.

But buddy Guy at 30 is criminal…way too low. I’d also put John Fogerty higher, Derek Trucks too. Peter Green is tremendous—back when Fleetwood Mac was a REAL band, haha…(Shrine 69 is outstanding, I highly recommend it-live recording).

And it’s Freddie King, not Freddy. OMG! Rolling Stone is trash—they misspelled one of the great bluesman’s names!! WTF!

There are a number of major oversights here.

Jeff Healey!

Sonny Landreth!

Eric Johnson!

I didn’t see Satriani either, was he on there?

Don’t forgot Rory Gallagher.

Brian Setzer is freaking awesome.

Dave Alvin, David Hidalgo, Kenny Wayne Shepherd, tons of others…Rolling Stone bites one man.


User currently offlineVictrola From United States of America, joined Apr 2008, 506 posts, RR: 1
Reply 16, posted (5 years 8 months 2 days 4 hours ago) and read 3001 times:



Quoting BR076 (Reply 10):
Joe Satriani

Steve Vai

Yngwie Malmsteen

Nigel Tuffnel of Spinal Tap blows them all away. Just name any other guitarist who has gone up to 11 on his amp!


User currently offlinePSA53 From United States of America, joined Aug 2003, 3059 posts, RR: 4
Reply 17, posted (5 years 8 months 2 days 4 hours ago) and read 3002 times:

Bad list.Anyway...

Not in any order:

Jimi Hendrix
Eddie Van Halen
Ritchie Blackmore
SRV
Angus Young and Malcom gets a lot of credit.
Pete Townsend
Dick Dale
Eric Clapton
Alex Lifeson,Foul! Not on list.
And Tony Iommi who,like or not,pioneered heavy metal.

Quoting MadameConcorde (Reply 12):
Alvin Lee (Ten Years After)



Quoting SkyyKat (Reply 6):
Peter Frampton

Good picks.They both deserve credit.

Also Ted Nugent.I guess he was left off for his politics.



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User currently offlineSlamClick From United States of America, joined Nov 2003, 10062 posts, RR: 68
Reply 18, posted (5 years 8 months 2 days 3 hours ago) and read 2979 times:

Quoting Victrola (Reply 14):
I think they confined themselves to Rock and Blues guitarists.

Then they should so state instead of claiming their niche of guitariana as the entire universe. More proof that they don't know much about music. It is as much as saying "my personal taste is all there is to music"

My failing in not suggesting Andres Segovia.

[Edited 2008-12-23 12:13:28]


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User currently offlineAndz From South Africa, joined Feb 2004, 8451 posts, RR: 10
Reply 19, posted (5 years 8 months 2 days 3 hours ago) and read 2969 times:
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My favourites, in no patricular order:

Joe Satriani
Mark Knopfler
Gary Moore
Mark King (Level 42 bassist)
Eric Clapton
Robben Ford
Chet Atkins
Jonathan Butler
George Benson
Peter Frampton



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User currently offlineTupolevTu154 From Germany, joined Aug 2004, 2181 posts, RR: 28
Reply 20, posted (5 years 8 months 2 days 3 hours ago) and read 2962 times:

I may be bias due to my utter love for this guy and his band, but John Petrucci for me, hands down  Silly


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User currently offlineVikkyvik From United States of America, joined Jul 2003, 9905 posts, RR: 26
Reply 21, posted (5 years 8 months 2 days 2 hours ago) and read 2953 times:
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Quoting Superfly (Reply 2):
Just goes to show that Rolling Stone magazine is worth less than toilet paper.

 checkmark 

Quoting Slider (Reply 15):
This list, pretty much like almost everything else Rolling Stone does, is bullshit.

 checkmark 

Quoting GrahamHill (Reply 7):
This guy has real talent, much better than people like Cobain or Morello.

Not to get sidetracked, but Morello does actually have talent.

Anyway, lists like these are usually stupid - no one will agree on them, and it's just ridiculous to try and rank all these equally talented people.

But I suppose it'll sell more magazines, so whatever.



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User currently offlineVictrola From United States of America, joined Apr 2008, 506 posts, RR: 1
Reply 22, posted (5 years 8 months 2 days 2 hours ago) and read 2943 times:

Usually these lists are topped by guitar heroes whose greatest talent is being able to play single note solos really fast. Usually the songs these guys play are little more than an excuse for a lead solo.

What I liked about guys like Hendrix is that they were much more than single note lead solo players. Hendrix was very innovative harmonically for a rock guitarist. He was always using interesting chords and different rythim guitar techniques. Little Wing is a masterpiece and even sounds great on an acoustic guitar. His solo in The Wind Crys Mary is a fine example of how you don't need a lot of pyrotechnics and speed to sound great.

I always liked Keith Richard because he was always able to mesh with the other guitar players in the group. Listening to Keith and Mick Taylor, and later Ronnie Wood is a good textbook course on how 2 guitars can compliment each other. Keith is always more interested in contributing to making the song sound good than being a lead guitar hero.


User currently offlineSkyyKat From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 23, posted (5 years 8 months 2 days 2 hours ago) and read 2936 times:



Quoting Slider (Reply 15):
Brian Setzer is freaking awesome.

Not putting Brian Setzer on the list, let alone HIGH on the list is something that I cannot forgive them for. One of the worlds greatest clean electric guitar players in history.


User currently offlineYVRLTN From Canada, joined Oct 2006, 2447 posts, RR: 0
Reply 24, posted (5 years 8 months 1 day 21 hours ago) and read 2866 times:



Quoting Victrola (Reply 22):
I always liked Keith Richard because he was always able to mesh with the other guitar players in the group. Listening to Keith and Mick Taylor, and later Ronnie Wood is a good textbook course on how 2 guitars can compliment each other. Keith is always more interested in contributing to making the song sound good than being a lead guitar hero.

 checkmark He speaks of it as the 'art of weaving'. I think he also gets browny points just for the fact hes still alive, never mind playing. Mick Taylor also deserves a mention, quite a talent.

Hendrix certainly deserves to be in the top 10, but IMO he gets far more 'legend status' because of his young death.

Anyway, glad you agree with me the list is a POS!! Check out the drummers and vocalists too.

Interesting that Brian May is so far up the list. Not a huge Queen fan and of course they are all in the shadow of Freddie, but a very talented man - and quite a gentleman compared to say Keefer and Eddie VH, not your typical rocker. What are your opinions on him?



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25 EA CO AS : Call me a cynic, but I'm convinced that if Cobain hadn't offed himself so soon, he'd have eventually been revealed as a talentless musical fraud inst
26 Slider : Totally agree about Jimi. And SRV's Little Wing is amazing too... No doubt! He is so musically gifted it's incredible. That Gretsch is like an extens
27 Superfly : Amen! You are no "cynic", you are simply telling the truth. Kurt Cocaine was a over-rated talentless punk. To add insult to injury, that crazy chick
28 PanHAM : 26 replies and Willie Nelson still isn't mentioned. I've just seen Chuck Berry on stage a few weeks ago and his children should tell him to retire. Bu
29 Ken777 : I've gotta add Stephen Edgerton (Descendents & ALL). The hidden guitar players that we never hear of are the studio musicians. More talent amongst stu
30 KevinL1011 : Top 5 stylistic pioneers. You've got to be kidding! I haven't seen this "list" however the quote below puts it into perspective. Yeah, but you still
31 Cpd : I'll just list: Kirk Hammett Carlos Santana Santana operates a guitar in a magical way. I'd try to come up with a Santana-esque description, but I'm t
32 Krushny : I'd put Paco de Lucía well up in the list . You cannot forget flamenco to compìle a list of top guitarists of all time.
33 Euclid : I assume you meant so far DOWN the list. Anyway, being a huge Queen fan myself I personally would have liked to see him at the top of the list, but t
34 Post contains links and images EA CO AS : This oughta torque the Cobain fans even more - y'know who ELSE is a far better guitar player than he was, and actually might belong the top 100 list?
35 ER757 : Agreed - I've been playing for 30 years so I guess that I am ten years-worth more insulted than you - LOL Seriously though, any list is pretty much j
36 RGElectra80 : As an impressionable 12-year old at the time "Nevermind" came out, I really liked them. After I started playing the guitar myself, I realized that hi
37 ER757 : OK, I will - add him to my list....I spaced out and forgot about him
38 Nitepilot79 : no dime? WTF
39 Victrola : If we are moving beyond strictly rock and blues guitarists, I have to add my two favorites of all time: Joe Pass Django Reinhardt
40 Andz : Charo on guitar, Karen Carpenter on drums and Candy Dulfer on sax would make a cool girl band!
41 Aerobalance : Billy F. Gibbons - ZZ Top - Highly under-rated string picker. Peter Green Ritchie Blackmore Alex Lifeson
42 Revelation : Rolling Stone's admiration of blues influence is damn obvious with the top five: Hendrix, Duane Allman, BB King, Clapton, Robert Johnson. It's just so
43 Revelation : Here's the list, courtesy of vim and a few regular expressions: 1 Jimi Hendrix 2 Duane Allman 3 B.B. King 4 Eric Clapton 5 Robert Johnson 6 Chuck Berr
44 Revelation : My favz from the list: 7 Stevie Ray Vaughan 13 Jerry Garcia 27 Mark Knopfler 31 Dick Dale 40 John Fogerty 42 Robert Fripp 45 Frank Zappa 50 Pete Towns
45 Superfly : Them fighting words! I agree! She had a brief but good role in the movie Airport '79 (The Concorde).
46 PC12Fan : Amazing! I had no idea! You know who not being on the list is also a joke... Neal Schon and Roy Clark.
47 EA CO AS : One of my favorite movies of all time! (RIP, F-BTSC)
48 Revelation : I suppose they are, if you are a Canadian! It's right up there with insulting Gordie Howe, Tim Horton's or the Ski-doo!
49 Srbmod : The omission of Joe Strummer is almost criminal. Some other names missing from that list that truly deserve a mention: Johnny Marr Peter Buck Paul Wel
50 Superfly : I am honorary Canadian.
51 NSMike : You gotta wonder about a list of "Top Guitarists" that includes Joan Jett... and excludes Chet Atkins. Yeesh.
52 Revelation : Well, it is the Rolling Stone list, not the Hee Haw list! Sorry for the cheap shot, I just couldn't resist! A lot of great musicians work in the coun
53 KevinL1011 : Another good call! Ever heard "Miss Shapiro" on the 801 Live album? If not, do it today! Is there a difference?
54 Nitepilot79 : christopher parkington.
55 Gordonsmall : Agreed. Not necessarily in that order, but all of those would be on my list.
56 KevinL1011 : B.S.! You know Satriani should top the list! Don't play PC with me.
57 NWAESC : Please tell your son in law that seeing ALL rates as one of the best shows I ever went to (In PDX 92 ish?). Another one gone before his time... R.I.P
58 GLAGAZ : Angus Young - AC/DC Gaz
59 Slider : Kurt Cobain sucked ass. It's totally clear now when you see the monster success of the Foo Fighters where the talent was in Nirvana. Totally- and wha
60 AF340 : ABSOLUTELY!!! Stellar in The Smiths and even still he is doing well in Modest Mouse. I also think Hugh Cornwell of The Stranglers was very good too..
61 Superfly : The Foo Fighters actually had a song that I liked. ...and originally wrote 'Black Magic Woman'. Perhaps but they shouldn't knock rock guitarist that
62 ER757 : Yeah, Steve Howe should have been much higher on the list. Anyone who has seen him live realizes how intricate some of the stuff he's doing is, He's
63 Superfly : I've seen him live 3 times. Yes is just incredible! They also left off Tommy Shaw (STYX), Kerry Livgren (Kansas) yet had as you pointed out Joan Jett
64 Slider : I agree totally, although that's where Rolling Stone needs to have different lists to identify "best" VS most influential, most proficient, etc. Ther
65 WunalaYann : Madame, vous avez un goût très sûr. *clears throat* Anyone for John Petrucci? Thank you sir.
66 Superfly : ...and lets not forget that other great guitarist/artist from Australia, Graham Russell. Oh yes in deed. Django Reinhardt, Wes Montgomery, Joe Pass j
67 PC12Fan : One that hasn't been on the scene that long, but is incredibly impressive is Brad Paisley. If you have doubts, listen to his instrumental "Time Warp".
68 Vikkyvik : Or they could just do away with these stupid lists altogether. But, of course, that probably wouldn't sell as many magazines The only list I've actua
69 Superfly : I'll need to sit you down and educate you on the virtues of 1980s glam/hair metal. :}
70 Slider : Django is amazing. And didn't someone post Charo earlier? An old co-worker of mine was on a cruise and she was there and played. Just amazing- 12 str
71 Superfly : Now that sounds like an awesome cruise! That was a problem with 1980s fads in general. There were a lot of talented bands that was known for their lo
72 Type-Rated : What about Graham Coxon of Blur? And Johnny Marr? Both have come up with some fantastic playing.
73 Superfly : Another incredible guitar player. For those who don't know who he is, he was the guitar player for The Smiths.
74 Post contains links WestJetYQQ : Wow. David Gilmour is all the way back at EIGHTY-TWO??!?! I don't much care for this list. My personal faves: 1. DaWayne Bailey (former guitarist of C
75 HorizonGirl : I agree with this completely, except I must add Jeff Beck. He is at the top of my list for sure. That man is unreal! Devon edit- spelling error[Edite
76 GLAGAZ : Couldn't disagree more. Yes Kurt wasn't exactly the best guitar player, but Nirvana weren't really all about the music. Nirvana started a revolution
77 WestJetYQQ : Very few... The Beatles, The Rolling Stones, and to a lesser extent Coldplay in this decade... They've deffinately influenced the quality of music co
78 Superfly : You can say that again. The Ayatollah started a 'revolution' too. These young angry punks from Seattle were a hell of a lot cheaper for the record co
79 WunalaYann : I guess you need to define the term "revolution". Virtually every successful band can be credited with heavily influencing other bands and thus putti
80 Superfly : Since Nirvana, there have been no good male rock vocalist, guitar players, bassist, drummers or songwriters with melodies that are memorable. It's ju
81 GLAGAZ : Well, you say Whitesnake are better than GnR so your opinion is invalid :P Even if i do like Whitesnake and have been to see them live, EVERY single s
82 Superfly : Those of us who aren't heroine addicts and want to slit our wrist simply can't relate to the angry depression non-sense Kurt Cocaine cried about. Tho
83 RGElectra80 : Hey, and don't forget about the "revolution" the 7-string guitars were supposed to start...
84 GLAGAZ : Nirvana are far from my favourite band. Whitesnake's lyrics however just plain suck Gaz
85 Krushny : Paco de Lucia has a big discography (been recording since 1961) , and I have listened to a small fraction of it only. Anyway I can recommend a few ti
86 4holer : 'Fly, I've been right with you thru much of your opinions of music, with the exception of Gino Whatsisface. But I have to disagree with you here. I'd
87 GQfluffy : And The Foo Fighters (which one could claim basically was Nirvana "grown up") isn't about on the same par Nirvana was?
88 Slider : Jimi, Jimi, Jimi....please spell his name right! You're mixing up influence with greatness. We're talking guitar greatness in this thread, but I agre
89 Superfly : Do they even still make those? Lyrics? Who cares? They rock hard and are very talented musicians. The guitar solo and orchestral arrangements in the
90 Post contains links and images Hywel : Alexi Laiho - Children of Bodom http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=IaKwBc53jBQ My vote  [Edited 2008-12-29 14:44:56]
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