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RNC CD "Barack The Magic Negro" Sent To Membership  
User currently offlineStasisLAX From United States of America, joined Jul 2007, 3280 posts, RR: 6
Posted (5 years 7 months 1 week 21 hours ago) and read 4115 times:

CNN is reporting that "A candidate for the Republican National Committee chairmanship said Friday the CD he sent committee members for Christmas -- which included a song titled "Barack the Magic Negro" -- was clearly intended as a joke.

"I think most people recognize political satire when they see it," Tennessee Republican Chip Saltsman told CNN. "I think RNC members understand that."

The song, set to the tune of "Puff the Magic Dragon," was first played on conservative political commentator Rush Limbaugh's radio show in 2007. Its title was drawn from a Los Angeles Times column that suggested President-elect Barack Obama appealed to those who feel guilty about the nation's history of mistreatment of African-Americans. Saltsman said the song, penned by his longtime friend Paul Shanklin, should be easily recognized as satire directed at the Times.

The CD sent to RNC members, first reported by The Hill on Friday, is titled "We Hate the USA" and also includes songs referencing former presidential candidate John Edwards and the Rev. Jeremiah Wright, among other targets. According to The Hill, other song titles, some of which were in bold font, were: "John Edwards' Poverty Tour," "Wright place, wrong pastor," "Love Client #9," "Ivory and Ebony" and "The Star Spanglish Banner."

Source: http://www.cnn.com/2008/POLITICS/12/...tire/index.html?section=cnn_latest


Not the least bit humorous nor political satire in my opinion.   

[Edited 2008-12-26 21:02:07]


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User currently offlineDXing From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 1, posted (5 years 7 months 1 week 21 hours ago) and read 4101 times:



Quoting StasisLAX (Thread starter):
Not the least bit humorous nor political satire in my opinion.

They are absolutely hilarious. Missing is the fact that Barrack the magic negro is done using an imitation of the Rev. Al Sharpton singing as if he were using a megaphone. At the end of the song he is reduced to lamenting how if Obama is elected there won't be any more free buffets for him.

The piece "we hate the USA" is also a classic done to Lee Greenwoods "God Bless the USA". With a cast of characters from Bill Clinton to Al Gore and beyond.

I find it funny that SNL and any liberal comic can say just about anything they want about a conservative and that's ok yet when the tables are turned you hear nothing but the sound of stuck pigs.


User currently offlineLonghornmaniac From United States of America, joined Jun 2005, 3278 posts, RR: 45
Reply 2, posted (5 years 7 months 1 week 20 hours ago) and read 4085 times:



Quoting DXing (Reply 1):
I find it funny that SNL and any liberal comic can say just about anything they want about a conservative and that's ok yet when the tables are turned you hear nothing but the sound of stuck pigs.

Well, to be fair, those sorts of things don't typically reach as high as the DNC, but with that said, and without me having listened to the songs, even as a Democrat/liberal I can certainly find the humor in such things. Personally, I think everybody just needs to unwad their panties and get over this "political correctness." It's funny, it made people laugh, that was its desired goal, end of story.

DX, do you happen to have a link to the songs, or do I have to buy the C.D.  Wink I'd love to hear them.

Cheers,
Cameron


User currently offlineStasisLAX From United States of America, joined Jul 2007, 3280 posts, RR: 6
Reply 3, posted (5 years 7 months 1 week 20 hours ago) and read 4083 times:

Quoting Longhornmaniac (Reply 2):
It's funny, it made people laugh, that was its desired goal, end of story.

Obviously not - someone from the RNC National Committee must have leaked the Christmas gift CD story to the press - probably because that member felt it was inappropriate and/or was offended by some of the lyrics included in this "gift"...

Source: http://thehill.com/leading-the-news/...versial-obama-song-2008-12-26.html

[Edited 2008-12-26 21:30:15]


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User currently offlineLonghornmaniac From United States of America, joined Jun 2005, 3278 posts, RR: 45
Reply 4, posted (5 years 7 months 1 week 20 hours ago) and read 4078 times:

Quoting StasisLAX (Reply 3):
Obviously not - someone from the RNC National Committee must have leaked the Christmas gift CD story to the press - probably because that member felt it was inappropriate and/or was offended by such a "gift"...

I certainly wasn't saying that was the way it was, just saying that's how it should be. If this had been the KKK releasing the CD, then sure, it would be inappropriate (at least regarding Obama), but it wasn't. It was all in good fun, and people SHOULD (but won't) see it for what it is. And honestly, I'd be surprised, though not completely, if that was said member's motives for releasing it. Just doesn't seem like the "political" thing to do.

  

Cheers,
Cameron

P.S. Congrats on your 1,000th post!  champagne 

[Edited 2008-12-26 21:30:49]

User currently offlineMir From United States of America, joined Jan 2004, 21529 posts, RR: 55
Reply 5, posted (5 years 7 months 1 week 20 hours ago) and read 4056 times:



Quoting Longhornmaniac (Reply 2):
Well, to be fair, those sorts of things don't typically reach as high as the DNC,

 checkmark  If this is the worst thing that the RNC pulls, I'll be happy. But they should leave that level of satire to the comedians.

-Mir



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User currently offlineJohnboy From United States of America, joined Aug 1999, 2577 posts, RR: 7
Reply 6, posted (5 years 7 months 1 week 20 hours ago) and read 4035 times:

Well I guess it's true -- you really do need to appeal to your base constituency.

Emphasis on "base."


User currently offlineZOTAN From United States of America, joined Jan 2005, 609 posts, RR: 0
Reply 7, posted (5 years 7 months 1 week 19 hours ago) and read 4001 times:

I don't understand how a song using such a derogatory term as "negro" can be considered humorous. Have we completely forgotten the history behind it?

User currently offlineSeb146 From United States of America, joined Nov 1999, 11533 posts, RR: 15
Reply 8, posted (5 years 7 months 1 week 19 hours ago) and read 3997 times:

This is typical Republican leadership: They tell everyone their "humor" is perfectly acceptable, but when a comedian lampoons one of their own, it is an attack on America and her values, terrorists, al-Qaida, Sept 11, terror terror terror. This is absolutly disgusting. If you don't like being make fun of, don't do it yourself AND have it endorsed by Republican leadership at the same time! They pull this kind of stuff and then point to "liberals" as the enemy. Who is really trying to divide the country? Who is really trying to keep the classes and races separate?


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User currently offlineLonghornmaniac From United States of America, joined Jun 2005, 3278 posts, RR: 45
Reply 9, posted (5 years 7 months 1 week 19 hours ago) and read 3996 times:



Quoting Seb146 (Reply 9):
If you don't like being make fun of, don't do it yourself AND have it endorsed by Republican leadership at the same time!

 checkmark  I can completely agree with that. Turn about is fair play.

Cheers,
Cameron


User currently offlineMham001 From United States of America, joined Feb 2005, 3575 posts, RR: 3
Reply 10, posted (5 years 7 months 1 week 19 hours ago) and read 3980 times:



Quoting ZOTAN (Reply 8):
I don't understand how a song using such a derogatory term as "negro" can be considered humorous. Have we completely forgotten the history behind it?

Since when is Negro "derogatory"?


User currently offlineBN747 From United States of America, joined Mar 2002, 5613 posts, RR: 51
Reply 11, posted (5 years 7 months 1 week 19 hours ago) and read 3977 times:

Quoting Mham001 (Reply 11):

Since when is Negro "derogatory"?

When coming in this context, from a KKK member, rightwinger (Republican) in a business suit... it's intent is loud and clear as bell. History bears that out. Only those who lack such historical context/knowledge could ask that question.

Quoting DXing (Reply 1):

They are absolutely hilarious. Missing is the fact that Barrack the magic negro is done using an imitation of the Rev. Al Sharpton singing as if he were using a megaphone. At the end of the song he is reduced to lamenting how if Obama is elected there won't be any more free buffets for him.

It's amazingly easy to spot those who can't recognize 'racist antagonistic' actions when it hits them right between the eyes.

Quoting DXing (Reply 1):
I find it funny that SNL and any liberal comic can say just about anything they want about a conservative and that's ok yet when

Lambasting political leanings is equal to slamming ethnicities, huh? Cleary a mindset in a hole so deep...it'll never get out.

Quoting Longhornmaniac (Reply 4):
If this had been the KKK releasing the CD, then sure, it would be inappropriate (at least regarding Obama), but it wasnt.'

Exactly, a guy in white KKK robe singing or touting this slanderous song, on a website, tv or whatever....

vs

A Republican-guy without the KKK robe ...but in a business suit. 1 degree of separation.

So let's see if I got this right...the KKK dressed fella sings it or sends out to all his friends...
and he's the racist.

..a rightwing RNC official does the same without a white robe and 'dunce cap'...and he's just having a little fun.

ummm..no, he's the very same as the 1st guy, even worse, because he is seeking to represent ALL Americans to some degree..and he should know better. Far better.


Is it now clear enough why conservatives/republicans are seen as racists? They just can't help themselves..they always come right back to their roots.

Quoting Longhornmaniac (Reply 4):
It was all in good fun, and people SHOULD (but won't) see it for what it is

And therein lies the problem, good ol' boy fun at the expense of an entire race of people..something that has gone on for 300+ plus years. Since this is 'good fun' to types like you Longhornmaniac...why don't you share with the forum where you think (personally) drawing the line should be...any idea?

Rightwingers can't atack on Obama intelligently, so they must appeal to the lowest common denominator - ignorance prolonged. Expect more of this throughout Obama term...but I actually think the numbers of people who'll buy into the 'it's just good ol' fun' argument are nowhere near as strong as 10, 20 or 30+ years ago. But they'll try til their last breath..because it appears 'common sense, decency, respect and recognizing wrong from right' is simply too big of a cross to bear. It's just easier to stay stuck in stupid...to hell with progress and advancement of the society.

[Edited 2008-12-26 23:03:07]


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User currently offlineFlybyguy From United States of America, joined Jun 2004, 1801 posts, RR: 1
Reply 12, posted (5 years 7 months 1 week 19 hours ago) and read 3961 times:



Quoting Mham001 (Reply 11):
Since when is Negro "derogatory"?

My thoughts exactly. It's very anachronistic, but not derogatory.

As far as the topic goes, I think the trouble yet again is that conservatives want to say that Obama won mainly because of race. We can't deny the fact that race wasn't a factor, especially with the black vote, however, I think the reason why the Republicans lost big this year is because they sabotaged themselves. A lackluster response to economic crisis, an endless war effort on two fronts, and a nation wide campaign of muck-raking and appealing to citizens' most base instincts pretty much screwed the GOP this year.

Now they are all starting to rally behind Bobby Jindal in the hopes that the political magic trick of the next decade is to but a minority in the White House. Jindal is an amazing fellow in terms of his accomplishments, but too far right to appeal to any minority other than some conservative Hispanic Catholics. Furthermore, the GOP isn't the greatest party when it comes to inviting minorities to its ranks... look at McCain's campaign rallies for instance... looked more like the Wisconsin boondocks than a representation of the millions of different people that make up America. I have a feeling that if Jindal is pushed by GOP leadership to run in 2012 or 2016 the party will faction with racial discord.



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User currently offlineBN747 From United States of America, joined Mar 2002, 5613 posts, RR: 51
Reply 13, posted (5 years 7 months 1 week 19 hours ago) and read 3959 times:



Quoting Flybyguy (Reply 13):
Furthermore, the GOP isn't the greatest party when it comes to inviting minorities to its ranks...

And this mindless racist stint won't help either..and I'm sure by now it has hit every minority radio, print outlet there is by now. And they'll just tack on the the RNC Bill for they 'announce again'...we want to be more inclusive...yeah, sure pal..whatever you say.

Quoting Flybyguy (Reply 13):
Quoting Mham001 (Reply 11):
Since when is Negro "derogatory"?

My thoughts exactly. It's very anachronistic, but not derogatory.

You clear overlooked my explanation and the 'importance of context' here.


BN747



"Home of the Brave, made by the Slaves..Land of the Free, if you look like me.." T. Jefferson
User currently offlineTsaord From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 14, posted (5 years 7 months 1 week 18 hours ago) and read 3952 times:

Ha. Racism and Prejudice have many faces and try to disguise itself as something else. Then called the man the magic negro. I don't see the humor in it and I hate PC.

User currently offlineLonghornmaniac From United States of America, joined Jun 2005, 3278 posts, RR: 45
Reply 15, posted (5 years 7 months 1 week 18 hours ago) and read 3937 times:



Quoting BN747 (Reply 12):
Since this is 'good fun' to types like you Longhornmaniac...why don't you share with the forum where you think (personally) drawing the line should be...any idea?

It's certainly a very difficult, and incredibly fine line to draw. In this particular instance (and again, without having heard the song. I may sing a different tune afterward, no pun intended), I agree the use of the word "negro" is insensitive, and wrong. I'm not willing to go so far as to say it's derogatory in and of itself, and admittedly I lack the ability to properly contextualize it, because I haven't heard the song. Back to your original question, where do I draw the line? Let's put it this way, in this particular instance, it's sitting on the fence, and I could argue for it leaning either way. The medium of delivery (a Christmas CD), IMO, rules this out as slanderous or racist (it doesn't appear all the songs have a racial undertone to them, at least by title). It does seem to be simply a track, probably written by an upset GOPer, as a way of drowning their sorrows, or complaining about the new direction of US politics (and personally, I'll take this sort of thing in exchange for a different direction). Although I don't think the intent was to spark a race war, I can't argue with anyone who does take offense to this sort of thing. Personally, I'm able to laugh at things like this, not because I agree with anything their saying, but because it can still be good satire, even if it might be politically incorrect. Another thing, this isn't coming from any one entity, or "racist" and I do think your classification of Republicans as racists is a little outlandish. Perhaps you did not mean to say that all conservatives are racist, but that's the way it sounds. And that is definitely not fair. If you want to say most racists are conservative, that's fine, and probably true, but it doesn't roll the other way, too.

I hope I'm just misunderstanding what your saying, but what exactly is "a type like me?"

With all of this said, I agree with your general sentiment that it can be offensive, and is in poor taste.

Cheers,
Cameron


User currently offlineBN747 From United States of America, joined Mar 2002, 5613 posts, RR: 51
Reply 16, posted (5 years 7 months 1 week 17 hours ago) and read 3907 times:



Quoting Longhornmaniac (Reply 18):
Although I don't think the intent was to spark a race war,

Of course not, no need to go overboard...but OTOH, it can certainly start a trend..a dangerous one. What have we seen so far, several arrest by racist fools for making threats at Obama. A rise in KKK, white supremacist orgs...basically a measurable backlash...and the man hasn't been sworn in yet. So a Limbaugh racist slam here, an O'Reilly veiled one there, a nutjob Congressman like the one from Georgia a few weeks back, and now this from the RNC Chairmanship...yes, it can start a dangerous trend that will be difficult to stop once in motion. And don't think for a minute there are a lot people who want exactly that. A 'renewed divide' between ethnicities. Even as white America shrinks in majority numbers..certain forces want a rift at all cost to remain visible and more tangible until the last white man is standing. They don't believe in the Melting Pot America, the promise that is America. And it is thru perceived 'harmless fun' of this nature how racism gets new life and attempts to spread versus rescind.

Quoting Longhornmaniac (Reply 18):
Personally, I'm able to laugh at things like this, not because I agree with anything their saying, but because it can still be good satire, even if it might be politically incorrect.

Personally, I find jokes at the expense of a people to repulsive...especially when coming from someone with such clear intent.

Quoting Longhornmaniac (Reply 18):
Another thing, this isn't coming from any one entity, or "racist" and I do think your classification of Republicans as racists is a little outlandish.

It is not me..it is a wide spread general consensus if you converse with thouse outside your political spectrum. You know like 'Liberal/Dems=tree hunging, bleeding hearts, commie pinkos'...Conservatives/Republicans= warmongering, greedy, racist.' Most people are fully aware of those associations. Now, we know ALL Dems are not 'tree hunging, bleeding hearts, commie pinkos..." And I know ALL Conservatives are not Racist, BUT I do know MOST are what Martin Luther King termed 'unconscionable racist' (he infact said ALL whites were) ...I know that NOT to be true today. There are even racist Liberals...esp. 'unconscionable racist' Liberals. There's no outlandish here anywhere..is simply being aware of where the nation stands over time in it's changing social standing.

Quoting Longhornmaniac (Reply 18):
Perhaps you did not mean to say that all conservatives are racist, but that's the way it sounds.

I never said ALL conservatives were.

Quoting Longhornmaniac (Reply 18):
If you want to say most racists are conservative, that's fine, and probably true, but it doesn't roll the other way, too.

No it doesn't, but because the way it does roll...it doesn't do the other side of the equation a lot of justice or good in keeping it from being soiled as well.

Quoting Longhornmaniac (Reply 18):

I hope I'm just misunderstanding what your saying, but what exactly is "a type like me?"

Your visceral reply," It's funny, it made people laugh," "It was all in good fun," suggest you to be the type person who is completely ignorant of 'the racist history' of America. I just check your profile - and you fall right into that category. I don't mean ignorant in a offensive way..I mean that you just don't know. I don't care what they teach/taught you in school...it takes an adult life time of living with/mixing it up (good and bad) to start to begin 'other peoples (Americans) not like yourself. You come off as a very rational and well-rounded individual. Except, you just 'fell' for some crap from a much older man who KNOWS exactly what he was doing and why it was wrong before he even did it. He took the gamble...and if the blow back became to blistering..he knew going in 'he could always say "I meant it as a joke" and try to get off easy...which is exactly what he's trying to do now. What til you're like 27, 28..you'll be able to spot people BS'ing you with that "I meant it as a joke" nonsense...a mile a way.


Now that I know your age, I take back that 'your type' comment because I simply thought you were much much older. There are some members yet to chime in (they know who they are) that that should be reserved for.

Quoting Longhornmaniac (Reply 18):

With all of this said, I agree with your general sentiment that it can be offensive, and is in poor taste.

And you find it to be funny, fun...and as I said, because you are unaware of it's historical context and EVERYTHING that's attached to that type of behaviour and mentality...you comments as contradictory as they may seem.." I agree with your general sentiment that it can be offensive, and is in poor taste." yet "you saw humor"...believe it or not , is completely understandable.

BN747



"Home of the Brave, made by the Slaves..Land of the Free, if you look like me.." T. Jefferson
User currently offlineElite From Hong Kong, joined Jun 2006, 2793 posts, RR: 10
Reply 17, posted (5 years 7 months 1 week 16 hours ago) and read 3881 times:



Quoting BN747 (Reply 11):
Exactly, a guy in white KKK robe singing or touting this slanderous song, on a website, tv or whatever....

vs

A Republican-guy without the KKK robe ...but in a business suit. 1 degree of separation

Are you implying that the difference between the KKK and a Republican is the white robe?


User currently offlineBN747 From United States of America, joined Mar 2002, 5613 posts, RR: 51
Reply 18, posted (5 years 7 months 1 week 16 hours ago) and read 3875 times:



Quoting Elite (Reply 17):
Quoting BN747 (Reply 11):
Exactly, a guy in white KKK robe singing or touting this slanderous song, on a website, tv or whatever....

vs

A Republican-guy without the KKK robe ...but in a business suit. 1 degree of separation

Are you implying that the difference between the KKK and a Republican is the white robe?

You can draw that conclusion if you want...but the point I was making is too many clueless individuals can ONLY recognize a 'racist' or a 'racist act' if the person doing it is 'wearing' a robe. And it is safe to say that KKK'ers and their admirers are joined with Republicans at the hip. And Republicans as you may or may not have noted...make little effort to make known their 'dislike' of that attachment. Feigned surprised and disassociations...yes. True authentic rejection....absolutely not.


BN747



"Home of the Brave, made by the Slaves..Land of the Free, if you look like me.." T. Jefferson
User currently offlineMir From United States of America, joined Jan 2004, 21529 posts, RR: 55
Reply 19, posted (5 years 7 months 1 week 15 hours ago) and read 3867 times:



Quoting Mham001 (Reply 10):
Since when is Negro "derogatory"?

It's not derogatory per se, but it's a word that hasn't been used a lot since segregation, and so its usage can be seen as a reference to that period, which can understandably be offensive. It's not a word that I'd use, specifically for that reason - it's become a derogatory word.

-Mir



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User currently offlineLASOctoberB6 From Japan, joined Nov 2006, 2380 posts, RR: 1
Reply 20, posted (5 years 7 months 1 week 15 hours ago) and read 3857 times:

I don't find that humorous in any way. That's just too far..


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User currently offlineLTBEWR From United States of America, joined Jan 2004, 13040 posts, RR: 12
Reply 21, posted (5 years 7 months 1 week 13 hours ago) and read 3825 times:

I am quite sure all Black persons, and many who are not, feel such a song, even as a prody, as very offensive, especially when you consider it's source. It is clearly intented to be offensive as to the race of Obama, to be attractive to many of their Southeastern USA supporters who are far too often racists, playing to them with a sick sense of humor. I hope this person of the RNC is fired or no longer allowed to participate in the party.

User currently offlineWindy95 From United States of America, joined Dec 2008, 2713 posts, RR: 8
Reply 22, posted (5 years 7 months 1 week 11 hours ago) and read 3777 times:



Quoting Seb146 (Reply 8):
They pull this kind of stuff and then point to "liberals" as the enemy. Who is really trying to divide the country? Who is really trying to keep the classes and races separate?



Quoting BN747 (Reply 11):
When coming in this context, from a KKK member, rightwinger (Republican) in a business suit



Quoting BN747 (Reply 11):
Exactly, a guy in white KKK robe singing or touting this slanderous song, on a website, tv or whatever....



Quoting Tsaord (Reply 14):
Racism and Prejudice have many faces and try to disguise itself as something else. Then called the man the magic negro. I don't see the humor in it and I hate PC.

Why does everyone gloss over the fact that the phrase came from a liberal journalist from the liberal rag LA Times? No one made a stink about it when it was published. Just when El Rushbo uses it to Lampoon the Rev Al Sharpton and the bias of the lib press. Nice double standard



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User currently offlineDreadnought From United States of America, joined Feb 2008, 8792 posts, RR: 24
Reply 23, posted (5 years 7 months 1 week 10 hours ago) and read 3750 times:

Quoting BN747 (Reply 12):
When coming in this context, from a KKK member, rightwinger (Republican) in a business suit... it's intent is loud and clear as bell. History bears that out. Only those who lack such historical context/knowledge could ask that question.

The term "Barack the Magic Negro" was coined (or revived) by the very liberal LA Times writer David Ehrenstein. The fact that nobody complained about it at the time is the whole point of the joke - a stab at the hypocracy of the left.

http://www.latimes.com/news/opinion/...-ehrenstein19mar19,0,5335087.story

I hate to explain joke to those who don't get it the first time, but if you still don't get it, it just further validates the joke.



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User currently offlineWindy95 From United States of America, joined Dec 2008, 2713 posts, RR: 8
Reply 24, posted (5 years 7 months 1 week 9 hours ago) and read 3717 times:



Quoting BN747 (Reply 16):
There are even racist Liberals...esp. 'unconscionable racist' Liberals

Like Robert KKK Byrd.



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25 Post contains links DXing : Number one, the guy at the RNC didn't make this cd, he bought it from the website linked below. Number 2 it is political satire derived from an edito
26 Dtwclipper : Regardless of the fact that it is political satire and indeed derived from an L.A. Times editorial, it is in poor taste and a bad move by an RNC offi
27 Mham001 : Why can a liberal columnist can say it in the same context? And it appears you are saying the Republican who said it is also a KKK member. Is this tr
28 Mir : He didn't really do either. He certainly didn't coin it. The phrase existed, and he used it. Nothing more than that. Don't try to pin this one on the
29 Post contains links DXing : Opinion, I have the same opinion about poor taste and Al Franken. The song is derived from the editorial which included this paragraph of reference.
30 Dtwclipper : Fine, it's my opinion that it is in poor taste, and it is also my opinion that you are trying to change the tone of this by bringing up Al Franken wh
31 Seb146 : Well, no. In typical conservative fashion, the majority of the editorial is ignored. Like this quote from near the end of the piece: "It's his manner
32 DXing : Great, explain how 10% of a single post is devoted to Al Franken and the other 90% to the topic is trying to change the tone. As stated, the loudest
33 Dreadnought : Let's be honest. The only reason you have a problem with this brand of satire is that it makes people like you look foolish. As I mentioned, he reviv
34 Seb146 : I guess the tone of the thread is about ONE Senate seat and the rest is just filler and nothing to do with race relations viewed by the RNC. But, sin
35 Mariner : As an individual title, I think it's spot on - and I am astonished that the RNC would pay such huge tribute to the fine young President elect. Listen
36 PSA53 : I agree with some of that.IMHO,that bias does exist.Example,Comedy Central needs to be more centralist.But with that said... I just heard it on YouTu
37 Longhornmaniac : Fair enough. I suppose I feel that a joke such as this can be funny. It all depends from who's mouth it's coming from. For example, if it was a liber
38 Post contains links Mariner : It seems that the RNC Chair agrees with you: http://www.politico.com/news/stories/1208/16876.html Politico: "Duncan's statement, in full: "The 2008 e
39 Post contains links Luv2fly : Quoting DXing (Reply 1): I find it funny that SNL and any liberal comic can say just about anything they want about a conservative and that's ok yet w
40 Dtwclipper : I'm sorry I don't follow you at all. This kind of satire makes me look foolish? Why is that, because I have a different opionion from you? When I fir
41 Windy95 : The satire came from the LA times story and the insertion of Rev Sharpton as the singer of the song coming from the fact that at the time the song wa
42 Johnboy : Maybe some of the usual suspects in here can e-mail him and tell him what a hypocrite he is because he just doesn't get the brilliant political satir
43 ME AVN FAN : When I first saw a picture of Mr Obama I thought that he might be a "Med", a person from the Mediterranean area, and a "dark White". I only much later
44 DXing : Damn...and here I thought Secretary Rice was African American too. They've done far worse than that. And therin lies the problem with the RINO's. Has
45 Post contains links BN747 : No one said he 'created' the CD. Untwist your panties there dude. I knocked Dreadnought's misleading attempt to pin it all on an LA times article...o
46 Superfly : Not surprising coming from the Republican Party of today. What a bunch of pathetic sore losers. It's so obvious who they were appealling to. ...who wa
47 Mariner : Why should they? I think the RNC Chair was crazy to buy into this, to give it the oxygen of publicity. It's a frat house joke - leave it there. marin
48 ZOTAN : Apparently people can't read. The LA times article was not supposed to be an insult, but rather a commentary on how white America views Obama. And bes
49 ZOTAN : He realizes the damage that the CD can have on the party. Inciting racial tensions is never a "humorous" thing to do.
50 Luv2fly : I see so if everyone is shoplifting and you join in, it is not your fault as others were doing it first and that way there more guilty then you....
51 Windy95 : Bingo..... He is of mixed race. I do not know if anyone saw the interview on CNBC with Tiger Woods back when Obama had one. They asked him what he th
52 Mham001 : Apparently you know some very sensitive blacks because it is NOT incredibly offensive to the blacks I know. Some may think quaint, but offensive, no.
53 Superfly : Apparently you know some very ignorant blacks that have never had an education because it is a very offensive term. Or you're just lying. That is the
54 Mariner : Perhaps because he identifies himself as African American? mariner
55 Stretch 8 : In South Africa, mixed-race Barry Obama would be called "coloured.'' Try calling him that in the U.S.A. and liberal elite media would not be "niggardl
56 IgneousRocks : It's no doubt disappointing to a degree. Your retort seems, well a bit cliche and off putting. Interesting choice of words...
57 Flighty : Sure, it's worth pointing out that he is not particularly "African American" by the normal definitions of it. Nor is he an heir to our legacy of slav
58 Seb146 : My apologies. She is one of the more diplomatic of the administration, too. I guess that is why I forgot about her. Actually, I think the reason the
59 Windy95 : But he is not an African American in the traditional sense here in America.. He is not a descendant of slaves here in the US and is Bi-racial. He wou
60 Longhornmaniac : Reaching for straws, are we? Last time I checked (if I'm wrong, I stand corrected), a prerequisite for being an African American didn't entail being
61 DXing : If you listen to the first verse, and the follow on verses of the song it becomes clear that it is not about race but rather about one black, in this
62 Mariner : In the days of segregation that wouldn't have mattered. There were degrees of black - mulatto, quadroon, etc - but just one little drop made you "not
63 BN747 : Correction, he's a 20th Century (of 1960's brand) Republican who just happens to be living in the 21st Century. BN747
64 Mir : And as I mentioned, in order to revive it, it would have had to have been dead first. Which it wasn't. It existed, and he used it in an editorial. No
65 Windy95 : So why are we Irish Americans, Italian- Americans and not European Americans? Can you show me where I try to treat Obama different. He is the one who
66 Dreadnought : No, it's how LIBERAL whites see Obama, not whites in general. I don't see Obama as an African-American or anything other than an American, albeit wit
67 Windy95 : If you are born here you are an American. Not African, Euro or Asian. American.
68 BN747 : No it doesn't read it again Ace. Amazing...and you're the guy who posted the original link! That's absolutely astonishing! Yeah, ... right! The nice
69 Windy95 : Black, White, Yellow, Green, it does not matter as long as they are conservative.
70 DXing : This is not but General Petreaus certainly was and they stood silently by while his service and the man were demeaned by a liberal 527 group in a nat
71 DXing : I thought so too. I 'd love to hear the definition of a "safe black".
72 Longhornmaniac : Seriously? Wow. Well, maybe some people actually care about their heritage. You don't have to, that's your prerogative. In any event, African America
73 Mariner : It may happen - and both ways - but that isn't the issue here. This is a Republican matter. mariner
74 Dreadnought : Jesse Jackson and Al Sharpton, among other black leaders, are conservatives??? A few quotations from Teddy Roosevelt: "In the first place, we should
75 Windy95 : Does any group of caucasians consider themselves Euro American? no. Do we consider ourselves causcasian-Americans?no. All caucasian ethnicity groups
76 Longhornmaniac : Those are all great quotes, and I agree with what he said there. He's clearly talking about being an American from a nationalist standpoint, evidence
77 BN747 : Spot on Longhornmaniac... What most here are tripping all over themselves about is something they know nothing about. The history behind African Amer
78 Dreadnought : I disagree. I think the black community in the US has developed a strong, seperate identity based on the resentment of the white majority. Listen to
79 Longhornmaniac : I'm failing to grasp what your point is. In America, Caucasian is to White what African American is to Black. Pretty simple. So if your wife does not
80 Longhornmaniac : So you're saying that Reverend Wright in any way speaks for the majority? If you believe that African Americans would answer "African American" when
81 BN747 : As long as this remains YOUR opinion...the rest of us are safe. BN747
82 DXing : It may happen? If the issue here is becoming the passing out a comedy CD by a Congressman who wants to be in the running for the RNC chair then that
83 Post contains links Dreadnought : No, but enough people to be a problem, IMHO "Being African-American, your own people don't expect you to be smart," Roslynn said. "They tease you for
84 Mariner : I've never said this CD is a problem. It may be in poor taste, but so is a lot of stuff, some of which I find quite funny. That's the problem with th
85 Falcon84 : It's hilarious to people who find old-type black-faced vaudeville funny, or "little black Sambo" funny, and that kind of stuff DXing. This is one of
86 DXing : And that's fine, there is some stuff on it I don't quite find very amusing either, but more because of the way it was produced rather than content. T
87 Mariner : But I don't know why you are arguing the toss with me. I gave my opinion of it back in post #47: Again, I don't find frat house humor all that funny.
88 Superfly : Mariner: Post by DXing and Dreadnought are not a reflective example of the majority of us here in the United States. That was proven in last month's e
89 Falcon84 : LOL, and you wonder why the GOP has taken a pounding in two straight elections? You don't get it, do you? IT IS RACIST. It is in poor taste, and it m
90 Flighty : Then who is Barack? What culture was he raised in? Not always so simple...
91 Longhornmaniac : Barack is multi-racial. But he identifies himself as an African American, which is all that really matters. Cheers, Cameron
92 Windy95 : He is not African American according to BN747's definition Which I happen to agree with. When have you ever heard someone say I am a Caucasian Americ
93 DXing : You obviously didn't listen to the song and you obviously have no idea of the history of black face. As usual no research, just a shotgun blast of mi
94 Falcon84 : And it was also done on Vaudville shows. You're splitting hairs here. Either way, it was something that blacks quietly took insult over for years and
95 Windy95 : Once again the title of the song cam from a liberal newsman. Where was the outrage when he coined the phrase back in the election? What is more outra
96 Seb146 : Two reasons: 1. The original author was using the phrase in historical context and using it to explain his position for those of us who had never hea
97 Post contains links Mariner : Apparently Newt Gingrich is against the use of it, too: http://www.nytimes.com/2008/12/28/us/politics/28rnc.html?_r=1&hp NYT: “This is so inappropr
98 DXing : And it tells me that you still haven't listened to the song or read the op ed piece. Sure, that's why Ronald Reagan won with numbers that any modern
99 Falcon84 : Yes, I've heard the whole song. It's ignorant; it's completely idiotic. It was written by someone with a 1950's mindset, when blacks were fair game f
100 Mariner : Ah - shoot the singer if you don't like their song? mariner
101 Falcon84 : Why? Because he makes sense? I suppose you prefer Sarah Palin's not-so-veiled racism and demagoguery about the POTUS-E being a terror lover? Is THAT
102 Mir : And that's important why? What is the need to spend energy on nitpicking which category he falls into? I guess there would have been some had he coin
103 Superfly : That is a sad state of affairs when Newt Gingrich of all people is the your parties best & brightest.
104 ME AVN FAN : - Does it matter ? He now is President of the USA and as such simply US-American. And as US-president he is now an international "figure" and people
105 PSA53 : Hmmm....Opportunity calling?Maybe I should enlist my services to the Repubs.PSA53,rock star. Very true.But comedy TV life is much more then Jeff Foxw
106 PSA727 : This CD was not created by the RNC, but purchased and passed along by one of its members. So what is the fuss about? Also, as was mentioned before, th
107 BN747 : After 118 repiles....and someone shows up and still ask... ...that's just goes so far beyond the pale it borders being unrealistic... BN747
108 Post contains links BN747 : All the fuss has generated this statement from the current chairman of the RNC Mike Duncan... Duncan's statement, in full: "The 2008 election was a w
109 Seb146 : Because conservatives want to show they only do good works. It confounds and upsets them when they have their shortcomings exposed. They feel much be
110 Mir : So many decent posts in this thread has gotten deleted that I'm not sure it's worth continuing. But I'll try anyway. The author was making a point, no
111 Mir : The "Magical Negro" exists only in the minds of others. If you read the article, it's very critical of those who view Obama as such, and could also be
112 Bok269 : That point is moot as it took a mere 1/8th black heritage to be considered black in the pre-Civil War south and in some states under Jim Crow.
113 Allstarflyer : Yeah, and as an independent voter, ditto. This isn't even anywhere near the Obama waffles passed out a few months ago, and people were divided on tha
114 Post contains links BN747 : The difference there is those cheap shots were taken by McCain surrogates..this time it's coming from a guy jockeying for chairman of the RNC. It's b
115 DXing : Perhaps you'd be so kind as to point out the racist part. Just remember, these are things that other blacks said about him, except for the articulate
116 Post contains links DXing : Sure. Looks like the Huffington Post is just huffing again. Wonder what color the paint is? http://news.yahoo.com/s/politico/20081230/pl_politico/169
117 Seb146 : First, did you notice the word "suggested" in there? Meaning the author of the editorial piece did not call Obama a "magic negro" at all, but rather
118 DXing : It's hard to understand someone who says... When a black running for the parties chairmanship says the incident is overblown perhaps that should be a
119 Santosdumont : Let me preface my remarks by saying that I haven't listened to the song, but based on what I've read, I suspect that it boils down to provocative sati
120 DXing : None of which has anything to do with the song or its subject matter. Why is it that so many here feel they have to deflect the subject matter of the
121 Mariner : I've expressed my view several times - that it doesn't offend this "liberal" but I don't think it is particularly funny. Nor does the term "satire" e
122 AGM100 : Ha ha ha! dont forget Limbaugh has a African American on his show who does his own paradies of stereo typical "Negro" stuff. Rush is no racist , its j
123 Santosdumont : It has everything to do with the various reactions that are popping up to the song. I guess I didn't get the memo making you thread monitor. I'll let
124 DXing : None of those subjects are included in the song. This thread has been house cleaned enough that responding to anything other than the song is almost
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