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User currently offlineHAWK21M From India, joined Jan 2001, 31684 posts, RR: 56
Posted (6 years 2 months 1 week 2 days 12 hours ago) and read 3476 times:

Anyone using Waterproof Laptops on Line Mx.
Out here with Four months of heavy rain a year.
The Existing Laptop needs to be placed inside the vehicle at all times,increasing snag rectification time due easy access to Softcopies of Aircraft Manuals.



Was considering the Toughbook U1.

Any views.

regds
MEL


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User currently offlineDl757md From United States of America, joined May 2004, 1562 posts, RR: 16
Reply 1, posted (6 years 2 months 1 week 2 days 11 hours ago) and read 3466 times:

We use the Toughbook CF-18. Seems like a good laptop for mtc - very durable. I have issues with their stability but I think that's due to what our IT dept has done with them rather than the computer itself. Screen size is pretty small making navigating around wiring diagrams a chore but I don't know of a ruggedized laptop out there with a decent sized screen.

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User currently offlineBoeing767mech From United States of America, joined Dec 2000, 1027 posts, RR: 3
Reply 2, posted (6 years 2 months 1 week 2 days 7 hours ago) and read 3428 times:

We also use the toughbooks. Like DL757md stated they are okay for the MM but suck to use the Wiring Manual. I have used it while my hands where covered in skydrol. It didn't seem to bother it to much after we wipe the computer off. I have seen one take a dive off a work stand during a Elevator PCU change on a 757 and it still worked after the drop.

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User currently offlineHAWK21M From India, joined Jan 2001, 31684 posts, RR: 56
Reply 3, posted (6 years 2 months 1 week 2 days 2 hours ago) and read 3372 times:



Quoting Boeing767mech (Reply 2):
I have seen one take a dive off a work stand during a Elevator PCU change on a 757 and it still worked after the drop.

Amazing.......This is some super strong notebook.

regds
MEL



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User currently offlineStarlionblue From Greenland, joined Feb 2004, 17044 posts, RR: 67
Reply 4, posted (6 years 2 months 1 week 1 day 19 hours ago) and read 3306 times:

Toughbook is really the "industry standard" waterproof, bump-proof laptop.

Quoting Dl757md (Reply 1):
I have issues with their stability but I think that's due to what our IT dept has done with them rather than the computer itself.

Sounds about right. The hardware is seldom to blame for that kind of issue.



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User currently offlineHAWK21M From India, joined Jan 2001, 31684 posts, RR: 56
Reply 5, posted (6 years 2 months 1 week 1 day 9 hours ago) and read 3251 times:

I normally use the AMM & FIM,But its true WDM does have an issue with screen size.
I'm working on a mobile office in a vehicle currently,so a larger 22" monitor will tackle these problems too.
regds
MEL



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User currently offlineStarlionblue From Greenland, joined Feb 2004, 17044 posts, RR: 67
Reply 6, posted (6 years 2 months 1 week 1 day 9 hours ago) and read 3250 times:



Quoting HAWK21M (Reply 5):
I'm working on a mobile office in a vehicle currently,so a larger 22" monitor will tackle these problems too.

Yeah a well set up dock with a big monitor is a great idea.

The very largest laptops nowadays have 19 inch monitors. These do stretch the definition of "portable" to the breaking point. Not something you want to lug around too much. And besides they're not durable enough to use in a "mobile fashion".



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User currently offlineHAWK21M From India, joined Jan 2001, 31684 posts, RR: 56
Reply 7, posted (6 years 2 months 1 week 10 hours ago) and read 3174 times:



Quoting Starlionblue (Reply 6):
Yeah a well set up dock with a big monitor is a great idea.

The Convertor will supply the AC voltage via the DC Adapter to the equipment from the Vehicle battery.Adding in a Laser printer too,in case a hard copy is needed.
regds
MEL



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User currently offlineHercPPMX From United States of America, joined May 2008, 196 posts, RR: 0
Reply 8, posted (6 years 2 months 1 week 7 hours ago) and read 3159 times:

Toughbook's are amazing The new Marine Corps aircraft squadrons use them a lot i.e. MV-22, C-130J. And if Marines can't break them very easily i'd have to say it's a good product.


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User currently offlineBoeing767mech From United States of America, joined Dec 2000, 1027 posts, RR: 3
Reply 9, posted (6 years 2 months 1 week 5 hours ago) and read 3145 times:



Quoting HercPPMX (Reply 8):
Toughbook's are amazing The new Marine Corps aircraft squadrons use them a lot i.e. MV-22, C-130J. And if Marines can't break them very easily i'd have to say it's a good product.

I had heard when the DOD shopped out for the toughbooks they said it had to be GI proof, no just the Marines but all armed forces. The true test is they need to let the bag smashers at any airline work with them, I have seen them tear things up in ways I have never seen.

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User currently offlineHAWK21M From India, joined Jan 2001, 31684 posts, RR: 56
Reply 10, posted (6 years 1 month 2 weeks 4 days 1 hour ago) and read 2852 times:

Anyone aware of the cost of the Toughbook.approx.
regds
MEL



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User currently offlineBAe146QT From United Kingdom, joined exactly 8 years ago today! , 996 posts, RR: 0
Reply 11, posted (6 years 1 month 2 weeks 4 days 1 hour ago) and read 2846 times:



Quoting HAWK21M (Reply 10):
Anyone aware of the cost of the Toughbook.approx.

Like any other PC hardware, it depends on spec. A 1.8GHz Core2 Duo with 1GB RAM and 80GB HDD is just over a grand, (GBP). Now, that translates to $2100 or so for us here.

But knowing what the world is like, that gives a US sticker price of about $1200 in reality.

(When products are sold in the UK, they just change the dollar sign for a pound sign - which means double the profit with the current exchange rate, (and they can sod off about shipping costs - the thing has already travelled from Taiwan so it makes no difference)).



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User currently offlineHAWK21M From India, joined Jan 2001, 31684 posts, RR: 56
Reply 12, posted (6 years 1 month 2 weeks 3 days 7 hours ago) and read 2757 times:



Quoting BAe146QT (Reply 11):
But knowing what the world is like, that gives a US sticker price of about $1200 in reality.

I've just added the approx amount in the 2009 Budget requirements..... Smile
regds
MEL



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User currently offlineStarlionblue From Greenland, joined Feb 2004, 17044 posts, RR: 67
Reply 13, posted (6 years 1 month 2 weeks 3 days 6 hours ago) and read 2750 times:



Quoting HAWK21M (Reply 12):

Quoting BAe146QT (Reply 11):
But knowing what the world is like, that gives a US sticker price of about $1200 in reality.

I've just added the approx amount in the 2009 Budget requirements.....

Just remember that in the US there is no sales tax if you order online. (Yes yes I know that isn't 100% accurate...) I don't know about India. So factor that in. Also factor in support costs and such. I would say at least $2500.



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User currently offlineHAWK21M From India, joined Jan 2001, 31684 posts, RR: 56
Reply 14, posted (6 years 1 month 2 weeks 3 days 1 hour ago) and read 2714 times:



Quoting Starlionblue (Reply 13):
I would say at least $2500.

I've stated a range between $1000-3000,depending on the features available at the time.
regds
MEL



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User currently offline9VSIO From United Kingdom, joined Dec 2006, 717 posts, RR: 2
Reply 15, posted (6 years 1 month 2 weeks 3 days 1 hour ago) and read 2713 times:
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Are they truly waterproof (as in you can hold them submerged in water) or just splashproof?


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User currently offlineBAe146QT From United Kingdom, joined exactly 8 years ago today! , 996 posts, RR: 0
Reply 16, posted (6 years 1 month 2 weeks 3 days 1 hour ago) and read 2709 times:



Quoting 9VSIO (Reply 15):
Are they truly waterproof (as in you can hold them submerged in water) or just splashproof?

They're certified to MIL-STD-810F, Method 506.4, Procedure III (Drip) with the lid open, apparently.

My understanding of this test is that it's higher than just splashproof, (as it involves pooling water on the keyboard, etc), but that it's not the same as being able to use it while skin-diving.

From what I have seen of so-called green machines*, the port covers are to exclude dust and the like, not to prevent serious water ingress.

You also have processor cooling which requires a flow of air. Either it has a very efficient heat exchanger and internal air recirc, or the processor is open to atmosphere through complex baffles which protect it from splash/drip ingress. But I'm just speculating there.


* So-called because they are military spec, not because they're eco-friendly.



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User currently offlineHAWK21M From India, joined Jan 2001, 31684 posts, RR: 56
Reply 17, posted (6 years 1 month 2 weeks 2 days 17 hours ago) and read 2668 times:



Quoting 9VSIO (Reply 15):

Are they truly waterproof (as in you can hold them submerged in water) or just splashproof?

I read someplace,that they can function in 6-12 inches submerged in water.
regds
MEL



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User currently offlineStarlionblue From Greenland, joined Feb 2004, 17044 posts, RR: 67
Reply 18, posted (6 years 1 month 2 weeks 2 days 16 hours ago) and read 2664 times:

Designers do realize that people spill, so good quality laptop and desktop keyboards nowadays have drain holes in the bottom. The keyboard frame is like a bathtub with holes in the bottom. If you pour something on it, the water will drip down to the bottom of the keyboard without entering the innards. It will then drain through holes to the bottom of the laptop (or desktop keyboard), bypassing the shiny stuff inside.

This doesn't mean they will handle being submerged of course, but the Toughbook might. You'll just have to check with the manufacturer.



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User currently offlineBingo From United States of America, joined Nov 2006, 359 posts, RR: 0
Reply 19, posted (6 years 1 month 2 weeks 2 days 13 hours ago) and read 2641 times:



Quoting Boeing767mech (Reply 9):
I had heard when the DOD shopped out for the toughbooks they said it had to be GI proof, no just the Marines but all armed forces. The true test is they need to let the bag smashers at any airline work with them, I have seen them tear things up in ways I have never seen.

The toughbooks are commonly mounted in the passenger side of Hummvees for comms purposes. I have seen half a dozen that have (helped) stop AK-47 rounds that came through windshields Iraq. Its a pretty amazing piece of gear. Dell recently released their version but its no where as durable.


User currently offlineGigneil From United States of America, joined Nov 2002, 16347 posts, RR: 85
Reply 20, posted (6 years 4 weeks 1 day 12 hours ago) and read 2254 times:



Quoting Starlionblue (Reply 13):

Just remember that in the US there is no sales tax if you order online. (Yes yes I know that isn't 100% accurate...)

And almost never accurate for big companies like that. Dell, Panasonic, Apple, HP - all charge tax because they have business entities in every state.

MEL - go check them out for yourselves, they're a Panasonic product - http://www.panasonic.com/business/toughbook/toughbook-products.asp

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User currently offlineKBFIspotter From United States of America, joined May 2005, 729 posts, RR: 1
Reply 21, posted (6 years 4 weeks 1 day 11 hours ago) and read 2240 times:



Quoting Dl757md (Reply 1):
Toughbook CF-18

That is what we use.

Quoting Boeing767mech (Reply 2):
I have used it while my hands where covered in skydrol. It didn't seem to bother it to much after we wipe the computer off.

I have seen one get a can of oil (either Skydrol or Mobile 1, I cannot remember what it was) spilled on it, and still work great... Apperently, when management was looking into them, a Panasonic rep came to the office with some and just threw them around, stomped on them, ect. and they still work fine. That says a lot about them I think...

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User currently offlineStarlionblue From Greenland, joined Feb 2004, 17044 posts, RR: 67
Reply 22, posted (6 years 4 weeks 1 day 11 hours ago) and read 2233 times:



Quoting Gigneil (Reply 20):
And almost never accurate for big companies like that. Dell, Panasonic, Apple, HP - all charge tax because they have business entities in every state.

Quite. That totally slipped my mind.  Wink



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User currently offlineHAWK21M From India, joined Jan 2001, 31684 posts, RR: 56
Reply 23, posted (6 years 4 weeks 1 day 10 hours ago) and read 2227 times:



Quoting KBFIspotter (Reply 21):
I have seen one get a can of oil (either Skydrol or Mobile 1, I cannot remember what it was) spilled on it, and still work great...

If it can handle Skydrol,then its got to be really tough & amazing.
regds
MEL



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User currently offlineRwessel From United States of America, joined Jan 2007, 2353 posts, RR: 2
Reply 24, posted (6 years 4 weeks 21 hours ago) and read 2189 times:
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Quoting Starlionblue (Reply 13):
Just remember that in the US there is no sales tax if you order online. (Yes yes I know that isn't 100% accurate...) I

Actually, every state, and some smaller taxing bodies, in the U.S. with a sales tax assesses a "Use Tax" on out of state purchases (of sales tax eligible items) on which no sales tax is collected by the seller. The amount is invariably identical. The buyer is obligated to pay the Use Tax.

That many (perhaps most) buyers fail to pay the tax they owe, is an enforcement issue, but the tax exists nonetheless.


25 HAWK21M : Wouldn't that be tough to avoid? regds MEL.
26 Post contains links Rwessel : Not sure I understand the question. If the seller and buyer were both in state A, the seller would typically be obligated by state A to collect sales
27 HAWK21M : Do you have a system of filing ones IT returns every year as is out here. regds MEL
28 Fridgmus : We use the Toughbook CF-30. With all the dust over here they work well. We use them in the rain sometimes as well. Never had a problem. I don't know w
29 HAWK21M : How about impact damage? regds MEL....
30 Fridgmus : Hi MEL, We have dropped a few on to the ground (dirt/gravel) from about 4 feet up. It's only happened a few times and one of them twice. They hit the
31 HAWK21M : I would think from a trestle 15ft drop functioning will be the ultimate test. regds MEL
32 Post contains links BristolFlyer : How about one of these? Computer 'review' starts a few seconds in. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=I3IDKPVPdu4
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