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Crazy Goal By Tavares At World Juniors  
User currently offlineJFK69 From United States of America, joined Jun 2006, 1419 posts, RR: 1
Posted (5 years 10 months 4 days 19 hours ago) and read 1607 times:

For all you hockey fans.

John Tavares, who will be either the first or second pick this year, had an incredible goal at the World Juniors.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9X1uqDn9g94&NR=1

Hope the Isles keep sucking so they can get him.

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User currently offlineGQfluffy From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 1, posted (5 years 10 months 4 days 19 hours ago) and read 1603 times:

Bah. So he can go to a team where his talents would be wasted? Forget that...send him somewhere where he'll succeed. That's a great goal and all, but what are his stats? Just because of one decent goal doesn't make him a superstar unless he's got the numbers to back it up.

User currently offlineRGElectra80 From United States of America, joined Dec 2008, 362 posts, RR: 0
Reply 2, posted (5 years 10 months 4 days 19 hours ago) and read 1592 times:



Quoting GQfluffy (Reply 1):

In four seasons with the Oshawa Generals, Tavares has played in 246 games while posting 407 points. Granted, players who post gaudy numbers at the Junior level are a dime a dozen, scouts have been raving about him for the last 3 or 4 years, the OHL even made an exception on their age requirement to allow him to play in Juniors, which IIRC was a first.

Basically, a lot of people have been salivating for the day that Tavares joins the NHL.



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User currently offlineWunalaYann From Australia, joined Mar 2005, 2839 posts, RR: 25
Reply 3, posted (5 years 10 months 4 days 18 hours ago) and read 1584 times:



Quoting RGElectra80 (Reply 2):
Basically, a lot of people have been salivating for the day that Tavares joins the NHL.

And you can already hear the topic title at the draft - Crosby or Daigle?

Crosby thrived under immense pressure and scrutiny, on what was a decidedly crappy team (05-06 Pens).

Daigle had three or four so-so years on a crappy team (93-96 Sens) and then started bouncing from team to team and never scored 40 goals, let alone 100 points.

I believe the NHL is no place for a teenager and am very wary of super high expectations on young shoulders. But it is a business, it's all about the $$$.

 Smile


User currently offlineSrbmod From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 4, posted (5 years 10 months 4 days 17 hours ago) and read 1564 times:



Quoting JFK69 (Thread starter):
Hope the Isles keep sucking so they can get him.

Sorry, but the Isles are so snake bit that they could finish with the worst record in the NHL and still lose the draft lottery.......

Maybe they'll get the second pick and the Thrashers will have picked Victor Hedman over Tavares (The most recent International Scouting Service Top 30 2009 Prospect rankings has Hedman #1 and Tavares #2).

http://www.hockeysfuture.com/article.../iss_top302009_prospects_december/


User currently offlineJFK69 From United States of America, joined Jun 2006, 1419 posts, RR: 1
Reply 5, posted (5 years 10 months 4 days 17 hours ago) and read 1554 times:



Quoting GQfluffy (Reply 1):
So he can go to a team where his talents would be wasted?



Quoting Srbmod (Reply 4):
Sorry, but the Isles are so snake bit that they could finish with the worst record in the NHL and still lose the draft lottery.......

Agreed that with my teams luck we will find a way to lose the 1 pick and somehow trade down to 19th and take a 30 yr old rookie........

His taken won't be wasted cause this will get players to come to the Island. The Isles had 13 picks in this past years draft and I think they have 10 in the upcoming draft. The writing is on the wall for them that they have to build from within......now the snakebit comes out again.............

Quoting Srbmod (Reply 4):
Maybe they'll get the second pick and the Thrashers will have picked Victor Hedman over Tavares (The most recent International Scouting Service Top 30 2009 Prospect rankings has Hedman #1 and Tavares #2).

I LOVE Hedman.....I think he is the real deal...Got that Pronger, Lidstrom mix...Possible secomd coming of Potvin. But here is my only issue. I think the Islanders would have to take Tavares for the PR. They need a superstar who has been touted since he was 14...They need that sniper to make the front page. I am afraid that if they pick Hedman, who is an outstanding player, but who only die hards have heard of there will be a small riot.

Quoting GQfluffy (Reply 1):
That's a great goal and all, but what are his stats? Just because of one decent goal doesn't make him a superstar unless he's got the numbers to back it up

I know you are a true hockey fan....so seriously? What statement is that?


User currently offlineWunalaYann From Australia, joined Mar 2005, 2839 posts, RR: 25
Reply 6, posted (5 years 10 months 4 days 16 hours ago) and read 1551 times:



Quoting JFK69 (Reply 5):
The Isles had 13 picks in this past years draft and I think they have 10 in the upcoming draft. The writing is on the wall for them that they have to build from within......now the snakebit comes out again.............

This sounds eerily similar to a Milbury spiel from 1997 or 1999...  biggrin 

Has anyone amongst you Isles supporters ever thought of actually suing Milbury for running your franchise into the ground?

Let us see:

1) Virtually traded Luongo for DiPietro.

2) Gloriously mishandled Bertuzzi, McCabe, Berard and Salo who ended up traded and making a good (if not great) career elsewhere.

3) Traded Chara for Yashin.

4) Completely stuffed up the development of what should have been the foundations of the franchise in Connolly, Kudroc and Mezei.

5) THAT DiPietro contract.

6) Traded Brewer for Hamrlik.

7) Fired Butch Goring.

The seven capital sins, if you ask me.  Smile


User currently offlineSrbmod From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 7, posted (5 years 10 months 4 days 16 hours ago) and read 1545 times:



Quoting WunalaYann (Reply 6):
5) THAT DiPietro contract.

While the length is idiotic, they've got him locked in at $4.5 million a season, which could be bargain if he stays healthy and makes it to 2021 (By then, there could be backups making more than him....). If he has nagging injury issues like this season, it definitely will be a bad move.


User currently offlineWunalaYann From Australia, joined Mar 2005, 2839 posts, RR: 25
Reply 8, posted (5 years 10 months 4 days 16 hours ago) and read 1535 times:



Quoting Srbmod (Reply 7):

Well I think it all comes down to the length of it, regardless of the actual amount.

As for head-banging contract amounts, the Yashin one definitely ranks right up there.

In all, I am still wondering how Milbury ever became a manager in the first place, let alone one who lasted nearly 10 years.

Mind you, Don Waddell is really starting to give Milbury a run for his money considering the number of poor draft choices and trades since 1999.

Quoting GQfluffy (Reply 1):
unless he's got the numbers to back it up.

For what it is worth, Daigle posted awesome numbers in junior. I guess it goes both ways.  Smile


User currently offlineSrbmod From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 9, posted (5 years 10 months 4 days 16 hours ago) and read 1533 times:



Quoting WunalaYann (Reply 8):
Mind you, Don Waddell is really starting to give Milbury a run for his money considering the number of poor draft choices and trades since 1999.

The fans are starting to chant "Fire Waddell" now at games. They're being drowned out by the drum that our mascot bangs on, but their numbers are increasing. I've gone to one game all season, and it's the only one I intend to go to all season. I'll start driving 45 minutes to go see our ECHL team instead if things don't change before next season.


User currently offlineWunalaYann From Australia, joined Mar 2005, 2839 posts, RR: 25
Reply 10, posted (5 years 10 months 4 days 16 hours ago) and read 1532 times:



Quoting Srbmod (Reply 9):

A mascot cannot sustainably distract people from what they actually see on the ice. Which is not much, in the case of Atlanta.

Heatly, Kovalchuk and Coburn. That's pretty much the extent of Waddell's contribution, in one way or another, to the team. The jury is still out on Lehtonen.

Good luck, mate.


User currently offlineJFK69 From United States of America, joined Jun 2006, 1419 posts, RR: 1
Reply 11, posted (5 years 10 months 4 days 14 hours ago) and read 1519 times:



Quoting WunalaYann (Reply 6):
1) Virtually traded Luongo for DiPietro

Pathetic....

Quoting WunalaYann (Reply 6):
3) Traded Chara for Yashin

Awful....

Quoting WunalaYann (Reply 6):
7) Fired Butch Goring.

Disgraceful....

Quoting WunalaYann (Reply 6):
5) THAT DiPietro contract.

As was stated before, still too early to tell but it could go bust or bargain. We shall see. One thing that people forget though is, if We keep luongo, then we still have the #1 pick which gives us Heatley or Gaborik.....So it REALLY SUCKS!!.

I am truly convinced that Milbury had compromising pictures of Charles Wang (Isles Owner) in order to keep his job as long as he did. There is no other explanation.

Funny story though, during the lockout, Milbury made the commitment to contact every season ticket holder and apologize on behalf of the organization. When I first heard about it I knew it could be trouble when he would speak to some fans. I finally got my call at work one day and I thought it was cool what he was doing and we spoke about the kids in the system.

A few days later he calls my boss.......He picks up the phone and says "Mike Milbury..........You killed my franchise and broke my heart.....I hope you get hit by a car and suffer like Long Island has......Goodbye" And that was it.....priceless!

Quoting WunalaYann (Reply 10):
Kovalchuk

Not a bad contribution.


User currently offlineSrbmod From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 12, posted (5 years 10 months 4 days 14 hours ago) and read 1510 times:



Quoting JFK69 (Reply 11):
Quoting WunalaYann (Reply 10):
Kovalchuk

Not a bad contribution.

Depends on whether he can be re-signed. He's a UFA after next season, and the sharks are already circling, waiting to see if Waddell will make a deal. Gaborik for Kovalchuk seems to be the rumor de jour lately. Why would we trade Kovalchuk for a guy we'd have to try to re-sign this off season? We're definitely not going to be able to pull off the kind of mugging we gave the Pens in the Hossa deal (Two decent players, their top prospect, and a 1st round pick [Who is doing pretty decent for a freshman at Michigan State.] for essentially the rights to Pascal Dupuis.).

Getting someone like Tavares would be a great thing for the Thrashers and I'd love to see him centering Kovalchuk for years to come. If he's as good as hyped and Angelo Esposito (who is doing quite well for the Montreal Juniors of the QMJHL even before leaving for the World Juniors [15 G, 12 A in 21 games]) comes into his own and shows that his drop in the 2007 Draft was a fluke (he was originally penciled in as one of the top picks). Bryan Little (Our first round pick in 2006) has definitely stepped in since settling in Atlanta (He's got more goals than Kovalchuk)., and some of his fellow 2006 draftees are right on the cusp of making the team perhaps next season. Things may be looking up, but getting someone like Tavares would really help the club.


User currently offlineWunalaYann From Australia, joined Mar 2005, 2839 posts, RR: 25
Reply 13, posted (5 years 10 months 4 days 13 hours ago) and read 1497 times:



Quoting JFK69 (Reply 11):
One thing that people forget though is, if We keep luongo, then we still have the #1 pick which gives us Heatley or Gaborik.....So it REALLY SUCKS!!.

Oh yes. Minnesota and Atlanta must have sent Milbury and his family a brand new car and probably a numbered account in Switzerland that gets replenished on a daily basis.  Smile

I still think the way he treated Goring and the Salo/Bert/Berard/McCabe combo ranks very high on the list of ultimate classlessness and stupidity. I am a Habs fan but I remember getting very excited during the 99-00 season about the prospects in the Isles system, and the way Goring managed to keep the team playing up-tempo and motivated throughout a losing season.

And then this Milbury bastard fires Goring halfway through the 00-01 season because his big, moronic signings don't pan out. Gutless.

Quoting JFK69 (Reply 11):
Not a bad contribution.

That was my point. The Heatly/Kovalchuk/Coburn picks were really good. But if the franchise cannot sign them or get someone valuable in return, I guess it is not too good.

Quoting Srbmod (Reply 12):
Getting someone like Tavares would be a great thing for the Thrashers and I'd love to see him centering Kovalchuk for years to come. If he's as good as hyped and Angelo Esposito (who is doing quite well for the Montreal Juniors of the QMJHL even before leaving for the World Juniors [15 G, 12 A in 21 games]) comes into his own and shows that his drop in the 2007 Draft was a fluke (he was originally penciled in as one of the top picks). Bryan Little (Our first round pick in 2006) has definitely stepped in since settling in Atlanta (He's got more goals than Kovalchuk)., and some of his fellow 2006 draftees are right on the cusp of making the team perhaps next season. Things may be looking up, but getting someone like Tavares would really help the club.

I hope the Patrick Stefan lesson was well learnt in Atlanta. Rushing a highly touted 18-year-old to the NHL just because he is highly touted and the team has nothing else to give its fans is the surest way to wreck a future great player.

I see nothing wrong with taking the time to let the kids develop at lower levels. But that probably means another two years of not-so-good results. Can Waddell wait that long? Better yet, would he still have his job in 2010 should the Thrashers miss the playoffs again?


User currently offlineZBBYLW From Canada, joined Nov 2006, 1987 posts, RR: 6
Reply 14, posted (5 years 10 months 4 days 12 hours ago) and read 1487 times:



Quoting WunalaYann (Reply 3):
I believe the NHL is no place for a teenager and am very wary of super high expectations on young shoulders. But it is a business, it's all about the $$$.

Well a buddy of mine who I used to play with (Colton Gillies) just got in the NHL - he is 19 and doing a good job keeping up to speed with everyone. It might not be for everyone but some people can cut it.



Keep the shinny side up!
User currently offlineCPDC10-30 From United Kingdom, joined Feb 2000, 4791 posts, RR: 23
Reply 15, posted (5 years 10 months 4 days 5 hours ago) and read 1459 times:



Quoting WunalaYann (Reply 6):
3) Traded Chara for Yashin.

Actually, it was even worse. Chara AND Spezza for Yashin  Confused

I think that trade was even more lopsided than the Doug Gilmour trade to Toronto.


User currently offlineJFK69 From United States of America, joined Jun 2006, 1419 posts, RR: 1
Reply 16, posted (5 years 10 months 4 days 3 hours ago) and read 1438 times:



Quoting ZBBYLW (Reply 14):
Well a buddy of mine who I used to play with (Colton Gillies) just got in the NHL - he is 19 and doing a good job keeping up to speed with everyone. It might not be for everyone but some people can cut it.

Anyone with the name Gillies belongs in the NHL...(Clarks cousin)!

Quoting CPDC10-30 (Reply 15):
Actually, it was even worse. Chara AND Spezza for Yashin

I think that trade was even more lopsided than the Doug Gilmour trade to Toronto.

Agreed, we keep forgetting about Spezza in that deal. And Pyatt went wtih Connoly to the Sabres for Peca...what a waste.

Quoting WunalaYann (Reply 13):
I hope the Patrick Stefan lesson was well learnt in Atlanta. Rushing a highly touted 18-year-old to the NHL just because he is highly touted and the team has nothing else to give its fans is the surest way to wreck a future great player.

I think we are all seeing it with Stamkos in TB right now. The kid obviously has potential and will put up some good numbers one day, but Melose was right. The kid needs to be sent down and given some more development. Stop rushing the name just cause you think you can.


User currently offlineSrbmod From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 17, posted (5 years 10 months 3 days 21 hours ago) and read 1397 times:



Quoting WunalaYann (Reply 13):

Oh yes. Minnesota and Atlanta must have sent Milbury and his family a brand new car and probably a numbered account in Switzerland that gets replenished on a daily basis.

At that time, Waddell thought we didn't need a big time goalie since we had Damian Rhodes and Norm "Fatboy" Maracle on the roster. Hindsight being 20/20, we passed on some decent goalies, like Ryan Miller in 1999. Then again, our blueline was so porous, they would have made Patrick Roy or Martin Broduer look like scrubs.

Quoting WunalaYann (Reply 13):
I hope the Patrick Stefan lesson was well learnt in Atlanta. Rushing a highly touted 18-year-old to the NHL just because he is highly touted and the team has nothing else to give its fans is the surest way to wreck a future great player.

He was drafted solely off his two seasons playing in the IHL with the Long Beach Ice Dogs, and those numbers weren't that impressive. Most teams weren't interested in him because of concussion issues. He's now going into the sports agent business. Waddell was interested in the Sedins, and since they desired to play together, he couldn't cobble together a deal to get the #2 pick since they really didn't have any assets worth trading and had already dealt away some of the better players they picked up in the expansion draft.

Quoting JFK69 (Reply 16):
I think we are all seeing it with Stamkos in TB right now. The kid obviously has potential and will put up some good numbers one day, but Melose was right. The kid needs to be sent down and given some more development. Stop rushing the name just cause you think you can.

Zach Bogosian was put on our opening day roster mainly so the team payroll would be above the salary floor. He's looked out of place at times and despite being activated from IR last week, he's been a healthy scratch the three games the Thrashers have played since he was activated. The Thrashers still have two games left in him before they either return him to the Petes of the OHL (He's too young to be sent to the minors, as the AHL and ECHL have minimum ages of 20.) or he remains on the roster for the rest of the season. They'll probably stretch those last two games out as long as they can. Bogo would definitely benefit by being returned to Peterborough to finish out his eligibility and then perhaps a season in the minors split between the ECHL and the AHL.


User currently offlineWunalaYann From Australia, joined Mar 2005, 2839 posts, RR: 25
Reply 18, posted (5 years 10 months 3 days 18 hours ago) and read 1389 times:



Quoting ZBBYLW (Reply 14):
It might not be for everyone but some people can cut it.

Agreed. Although I was looking at it from a physical development standpoint, not so much speed or skill. There seems to be a consensus among physicians to say that men grow up (and left and right) until age 20, sometimes 21, and that it is detrimental to lift weights before that. When we saw Joe Thornton grow from 195 lbs in '97 to 225 lbs a year later, we knew there was something wrong there. 30 pounds of muscle in one year on a 19-year-old, that is quite scare.

Congrats to your mate, though!

And then:

Quoting Srbmod (Reply 17):
the AHL and ECHL have minimum ages of 20.

I think this is the key - how can we explain such a discrepancy? Basically it is ok for an 18-year-old to go out and face Dion Phaneuf bodychecks, but not the much lesser ones thrown by minor leaguers. I think the minors have it right.

Anyway.

Quoting JFK69 (Reply 16):
Agreed, we keep forgetting about Spezza in that deal. And Pyatt went wtih Connoly to the Sabres for Peca...what a waste.

Indeed. You could have had the same Heatley/Spezza combo playing on the Island now, backed up by Chara. Or you can replace Heatley by Gaborik. Either way, a pretty decent offence. Madness.

Quoting Srbmod (Reply 17):
Most teams weren't interested in him because of concussion issues.

Which makes you wonder Waddell did not take a more careful approach, e.g. giving Stefan another year in the minors, just to see if he could complete a full season.


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