RGElectra80 From United States of America, joined Dec 2008, 361 posts, RR: 0
Reply 1, posted (5 years 6 months 1 week 5 days 20 hours ago) and read 7284 times:
The short and sweet version, without getting into the confusing system of the Bowl Championship Series (BCS) which is what really counts to determine a national champion is something like this: bowl games have deals (called tie-ins) with each Division I conference. Each one of these games has a selection committee to select the two teams within those tie-ins. The Capital One Bowl, for instance, pits their 2nd Big 10 pick against their SEC's 2nd pick.
What is important to note in this simple explanation is that the #2 is NOT the team that finished second in the Big 10 or SEC, but rather the 2nd team out of a list these committees compile.
The full system is rather complicated and makes the UEFA coefficient system look like middle school math.
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DeltAirlines From United States of America, joined May 1999, 8892 posts, RR: 12
Reply 3, posted (5 years 6 months 1 week 5 days 19 hours ago) and read 7274 times:
To speak a bit to the ACC (which is the conference I am most familiar with):
For the 2008 Season, the ACC entered into bowl contracts with 9 bowl games - Orange (Miami), Peach (Atlanta), Gator (Jacksonville), Champs (Orlando), Music City (Nashville), Car Care (Charlotte), Emerald (San Francisco), Smurf Turf Bowl (Boise) and Eagle Bank (Washington DC). These are contracts where the ACC will send a team to each of these bowls (should not enough teams had been eligible, the last bowl would have not gotten an ACC team).
Some stipulations in here:
(1) The winner of the ACC Championship Game would go to the Orange Bowl (the BCS-designated bowl for the ACC Champion) - the only exception to that would be should the ACC-CG winner have gone to the National Championship game. If that scenario happened, the Orange Bowl could pick any team it wanted under the BCS rules.
(2) The loser of the ACC Championship Game cannot fall further than Nashville. Thus, they cannot play in Charlotte, San Francisco, Boise or Washington DC.
(3) The bowls will select in the aforementioned order. The lone exception to this is Nashville/Charlotte/San Francisco, which work together to select bowls (tied for 5/6/7 in order essentially, but Nashville is considered the 5 and stipulation (2) applies).
(4) Bowls can select any bowl-eligible team that has a winning record in eligible games (meaning only one 1-AA game counts as a win). They select in the aforementioned order. The caveat to this is that a bowl cannot choose a team that is more than one game ahead of another in league standings (ie a 3-5 ACC record team cannot be chosen ahead of a team with a 5-3 ACC record, but can be chosen ahead of a team with a 4-4 ACC record).
Let's look at this year's ACC standings, prior to bowl games and the ACC Championship Game:
Boston College 5-3 9-3
Florida State 5-3 8-4 (for bowl-eligibility purposes, they were 7-4 overall due to 2 I-AA wins)
Maryland 4-4 7-5
Wake Forest 4-4 7-5
Clemson 4-4 7-5 (for bowl-eligibility purposes, they were 6-5 overall due to 2 I-AA wins)
North Carolina State 4-4 6-6
Virginia Tech (21) 5-3 8-4
Georgia Tech (14) 5-3 9-3
North Carolina 4-4 8-4
Miami (FL) 4-4 7-5
Virginia 3-5 5-7
Duke 1-7 4-8
As you can see, 10 ACC teams were bowl eligible. All were 5-3 or 4-4; thus, any team could have gone to any bowl. Here are where the stipulations come in:
Virginia Tech had to go to the Orange Bowl as the winner of the ACC. No ifs, ands or buts.
Boston College, as the loser of the ACC Championship Game, had to go to Atlanta, Jacksonville, Orlando or Nashville. They could not go to Charlotte, Boise, San Fran or DC.
NC State had to be picked last, as they were 6-6 this year. It is an NCAA rule that teams with winning records get priority over those with .500 records.
Once those were put down, it fell into place like this:
Orange - VaTech due to rules.
Peach - picked GaTech, due to local fanbase which means seats sold.
Gator - picked Clemson, due to Clemson having a large fanbase willing to travel and FSU already played in Jacksonville (against Alabama) this year.
Champs - picked FSU, due to proximity, causing more FSU fans to come.
Music City - picked BC because they had to since BC could fall no lower than this.
Charlotte - picked UNC because of local fan base to sell seats
San Francisco - picked Miami, most likely because they had the most reputation of three remaining teams.
Boise - picked UMd since UMd couldn't play in Washington due to timing of that bowl (UMd had exams that day, which affected student-athletes; ACC stepped in here to not let UMd go here)
Washington - sadly, Wake was the only team left.
NC State had to settle as an at-large bowl bid. The PapaJohns.com bowl offered them a spot against a Big East team (Rutgers) and the Wuffies accepted this bid (one of the better options for them, playing against a BCS conference team in a decent bowl than playing in some bleh bowl like the Motor City Bowl).
Quoting Silverfox (Thread starter): I think the Rose Bowl is the Big 110 with a West Coast conference ,but then i get a bit confused with new bowls arriving each year.
That's pretty much true. The winners of the Big We Can't Count to Eleven (er...I mean Big Ten) and the Pac 10 get invitations to the Rose Bowl. The only thing that can stop this is should one (or both) of those teams be selected for the National Championship. In that case, the Rose Bowl can choose an at-large team to fill this (these) spot(s). This was the case last year, when Ohio State was eligible for the Rose Bowl as the winner of the Big Ten, but was chosen for the National Championship Game. The Rose Bowl got was able to an at-large bid, and they stupidly decided to take an undeserving Illinois team for the sake of tradition, instead of choosing a more deserving team such as Florida or Arizona State (both of whom were well ahead of the Illini in the last BCS poll; sadly Mizzou could not go since only 2 teams are allowed to go to the BCS from each conference, and the Big XII had Oklahoma and Kansas go). If only the Rose Bowl, Big Televen and Pac-10 would get off their high horse and allow for a playoff to happen...