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U.S. Rejected Israeli Raid On Iranian Nuclear Site  
User currently offlineMortyman From Norway, joined Aug 2006, 4055 posts, RR: 1
Posted (5 years 10 months 3 weeks 1 day 6 hours ago) and read 1879 times:

US, says hell no !


U.S. Rejected Aid for Israeli Raid on Iranian Nuclear Site


http://www.nytimes.com/2009/01/11/washington/11iran.html



Intersting article...

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User currently offlineCO7e7 From United States of America, joined Dec 2004, 2849 posts, RR: 2
Reply 1, posted (5 years 10 months 3 weeks 1 day 5 hours ago) and read 1848 times:

It's a good thing the US gov't was wise enough to stop this from happening.

If Israel or even the US make the mistake of attacking Iran... it's going to be UGLY for everyone involved especially Israel. They'll simply be opening a can of warms.

Fighting Iran is different than fighting Hamas and Hizbollah.


User currently offlineNIKV69 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 2, posted (5 years 10 months 3 weeks 1 day 5 hours ago) and read 1848 times:

Makes sense. The US won't have any problem going into Iran but not until they cross the llne.

User currently offlineCO7e7 From United States of America, joined Dec 2004, 2849 posts, RR: 2
Reply 3, posted (5 years 10 months 3 weeks 1 day 5 hours ago) and read 1841 times:



Quoting NIKV69 (Reply 2):
The US won't have any problem going into Iran

I respectfully disagree with your statement. While the US has a solid military, going into Iran will not be as easy as you think... Not to mention that with 2 wars still going on, maybe you should consider that our troops can use a little break from combat. Some soldiers have served over 5 tours of duty since 2001.... I think we can / need sometime off.

Instead of fighting wars overseas... maybe we should fight some problems we have at home (such as the economy)

CO7e7


User currently offlineSTT757 From United States of America, joined Mar 2000, 16892 posts, RR: 51
Reply 4, posted (5 years 10 months 3 weeks 1 day 5 hours ago) and read 1840 times:



Quoting Mortyman (Thread starter):
US, says hell no !

The "Hell No" quote was specifically in regards to Israel's request for Iraq overflights, the US has fought really hard and spent a tremendous amount of blood and treasure getting Iraq to where it is today. Bush no doubt is going to go down as one of the worst President's in US history, that said though you have to give him credit for the surge when everyone was adamantly opposed. The surge turned Iraq around, and literally snatched victory from the jaws of defeat.

The US controls Iraqi airspace, allowing Israel to overfly Iraq to attack Iran would have caused a tremendous uproar, especially in Iraq with it's huge Shia population. Also Israel just doesn't have the capabilities to really effectively knock out Iran's program.

The secret US program to infiltrate and wreak havoc on Iran's Nuclear program does sound intriguing, as pointed out in the article it must be something substantial as it has Israel convinced enough to suspend (at least temporarily) their attack plans.



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User currently offlineNIKV69 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 5, posted (5 years 10 months 3 weeks 1 day 4 hours ago) and read 1824 times:



Quoting CO7e7 (Reply 1):
They'll simply be opening a can of warms.

Iran opened that can a long time ago.

Quoting CO7e7 (Reply 3):
I respectfully disagree with your statement. While the US has a solid military, going into Iran will not be as easy as you think... Not to mention that with 2 wars still going on, maybe you should consider that our troops can use a little break from combat. Some soldiers have served over 5 tours of duty since 2001.... I think we can / need sometime off.

Instead of fighting wars overseas... maybe we should fight some problems we have at home (such as the economy)

Come on we don't need the CNN soundbyte board here as well do we? Our economy and the fact Iran wants to reduce Isreal to dust is two totally different things. Obama has already been on record saying Iran will not be allowed to develop nuclear weapons so if they push us what are we going to do? I think the fact that Isreal has decided it is time to fight and not sit back anymore has told us all that if Iran doesn't wise up it will be on. If Iran steps over the line we will have no choice. You forget that these radicals want people dead and will not stop. So we can't make excuses that are soldiers are tired or our economy stinks. Isreal has taken the lead in the fight for their right to live. This is hardball, not softball.


User currently offlineOA260 From Ireland, joined Nov 2006, 27255 posts, RR: 60
Reply 6, posted (5 years 10 months 3 weeks 1 day 4 hours ago) and read 1810 times:



Quoting CO7e7 (Reply 3):
I respectfully disagree with your statement. While the US has a solid military, going into Iran will not be as easy as you think..

Quite true. Iraq will look like a walk in the park if the USA goes into Iran. It would be another Vietnam. Thousands of American troops would come back with the flag draped over them.

Is this a sacrifice the American people are willing to make?


User currently offlineCO7e7 From United States of America, joined Dec 2004, 2849 posts, RR: 2
Reply 7, posted (5 years 10 months 3 weeks 1 day 4 hours ago) and read 1802 times:



Quoting NIKV69 (Reply 5):
Iran opened that can a long time ago.

When was that?

Quoting NIKV69 (Reply 5):
Our economy and the fact Iran wants to reduce Isreal to dust is two totally different things.

If Iran wants to reduce Israel to dust, why is it America's problem? Why doen't Israel defend itself without the US support for ONCE in their lifetime?


User currently offlineSTT757 From United States of America, joined Mar 2000, 16892 posts, RR: 51
Reply 8, posted (5 years 10 months 3 weeks 1 day 4 hours ago) and read 1791 times:



Quoting NIKV69 (Reply 5):
Our economy and the fact Iran wants to reduce Isreal to dust is two totally different things.

Actually they are related, I guess you didn't notice that gas prices have spiked back up due to the Israeli incursions into Gaza. Start another war in that region and oil prices will make $4.00 a gallon look cheap, the spike in oil prices over the last 18-24 months was the spark that ignited the economic crisis we find ourselves in. It directly lead to the housing crisis which lead to the foreclosure crisis which caused the credit crisis etc..

You start a third war and you will literally plunge our economy into not a Recession but a Depression, Iran, Venezuela and even Russia to some extent realize which is why they feel emboldened and are goading us to do something stupid.

There will be time to address these issues, but not now. Finish up in Iraq, get Afghanistan under control and bring the US economy back onto solid ground. If the Obama administration is smart (which I have faith they are) they will be able to hurt Iran, Russia and Venezuela much more than combat would. Get us off their oil, find alternatives. Killing Iran, Russia and Venezuela's Golden goose would do more than killing their soldiers would, and if we're smart we can profit greatly from these new energy technologies.



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User currently offlineDfwRevolution From United States of America, joined Jan 2010, 997 posts, RR: 51
Reply 9, posted (5 years 10 months 3 weeks 1 day 4 hours ago) and read 1779 times:



Quoting OA260 (Reply 6):
Quite true. Iraq will look like a walk in the park if the USA goes into Iran. It would be another Vietnam. Thousands of American troops would come back with the flag draped over them.

Is this a sacrifice the American people are willing to make?

Crippling Iran's nuclear capability would not require a ground invasion or occupation. If the U.S. or Israel were to do anything, it would be to hammer Iran from the air. Yes, it could be costly. As costly as a mushroom cloud over Tel Aviv?

Quoting CO7e7 (Reply 3):
Instead of fighting wars overseas... maybe we should fight some problems we have at home (such as the economy)

That doesn't mean we can bury our heads in the sand and hope that belligerent regimes don't obtain nuclear weapons.


User currently offlineCO7e7 From United States of America, joined Dec 2004, 2849 posts, RR: 2
Reply 10, posted (5 years 10 months 3 weeks 1 day 4 hours ago) and read 1772 times:



Quoting STT757 (Reply 8):

 checkmark  Very well said....

Quoting STT757 (Reply 8):
You start a third war and you will literally plunge our economy into not a Recession but a Depression

Some people think going to war is a fairly inexpensive deal... It's not, it never has been and never will be.

In 2008 2 million Americans lost their jobs. This makes the economy the # 1 issue going into 2009 with the new administration. Unless Iran attacks the US, we should NOT go to war with them... especially if it's for the sake of bailing out Israel.

Just my opinion....


User currently offlineMadameConcorde From San Marino, joined Feb 2007, 10925 posts, RR: 37
Reply 11, posted (5 years 10 months 3 weeks 1 day 3 hours ago) and read 1759 times:



Quoting Mortyman (Thread starter):
US, says hell no !

U.S. Rejected Aid for Israeli Raid on Iranian Nuclear Site

The W. Bush administration will be out very soon.
I wonder if the new Obama administration will change this and decide to launch an attack on Iran at some point or other.

Change you can believe in?  Confused



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User currently offlineCO7e7 From United States of America, joined Dec 2004, 2849 posts, RR: 2
Reply 12, posted (5 years 10 months 3 weeks 1 day 3 hours ago) and read 1757 times:



Quoting DfwRevolution (Reply 9):
That doesn't mean we can bury our heads in the sand and hope that belligerent regimes don't obtain nuclear weapons

I understand that, and I agree with it... However, we DO NOT need to go to a 3rd war to stop this.

Why can't someone else deal with it? Why not try diplomacy? Why is it that our country has to be the world police??

We have sacrificed a lot of young American men and women for the sake of the world... maybe it's time for someone else to man up.


User currently offlineOA260 From Ireland, joined Nov 2006, 27255 posts, RR: 60
Reply 13, posted (5 years 10 months 3 weeks 1 day 3 hours ago) and read 1746 times:



Quoting DfwRevolution (Reply 9):
Yes, it could be costly. As costly as a mushroom cloud over Tel Aviv?

The repercussions could be as bad if not worse . It could cause a World War like never seen before.


User currently offlineJutes85 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 14, posted (5 years 10 months 3 weeks 1 day 3 hours ago) and read 1729 times:



Quoting CO7e7 (Reply 12):
Why can't someone else deal with it? Why not try diplomacy?

Israel has offered to deal with it but the US denied them this right. Diplomacy isn't working and the loony tunes in Iran are continuing their quest to get a nuclear weapon. They only want one.

Quoting CO7e7 (Reply 12):
We have sacrificed a lot of young American men and women for the sake of the world... maybe it's time for someone else to man up.

Sake of the world? Hmm, lets see, Afganistan was a US lead coalition which have seen deaths not just on the US side. Invading Iraq was your own fault and did the world no favours whatsoever. No other country wants a billion dollar defence budget, we have other problems to deal with. If you want to be the police of the world, then so be it, but be prepared to be on the front lines of any major conflict in the future. You don't put so much money into developing weapons and aircraft to let them sit in the desert and rot.

The only thing Iran has going for them is numbers in troops. It's a long march to Israel and Irans aircraft and pilots aren't exactly a match for the IAF.


User currently offlineLeezyjet From United Kingdom, joined Oct 2001, 4042 posts, RR: 53
Reply 15, posted (5 years 10 months 3 weeks 1 day 3 hours ago) and read 1721 times:



Quoting NIKV69 (Reply 5):
You forget that these radicals want people dead and will not stop.

And when was the last time Iran invaded anywhere and killed thousands of citizens - can the US say the same ?. Your judging a whole nation as a bunch of Radicals, based on what, some report you once saw on the news. Had it ever crossed your mind that Iran and it's citizens might actually be a peace loving country, just run by someone with a big mouth, a bit like the US is some respects one could say....and it is always those that shout the loudest that get heard and reported.

Quoting DfwRevolution (Reply 9):
Yes, it could be costly. As costly as a mushroom cloud over Tel Aviv?

I don't even think the Iranians would be stupid enough to try that. All any country with Nukes wants is to be able to defend themselves incase they are attacked by another county with Nukes - why should Iran be any different - but the best thing would be for all countries with them to agree to destroy them all - as studies have shown, nobody can win a Nuclear war, so why not put the money to better uses istead ?.

Quoting CO7e7 (Reply 12):
Why not try diplomacy?

Exactly, diplomacy is THE only way to resolve problems, get both sides talking and reach a compromise that is acceptable for both sides. As the British Government found out with the NI situation, trying to be big and macho and saying that you will never negotiate with terrorists just doesn't work - 40 odd years of terrorism came to an end in a few years of talks and now both sides are happy and NI is at last a peaceful place - so much so that the British Army have almost totally withdrawn. The US could learn alot from that and try talking with Iran and even Al Q'uida and work to resolve the problems in a peaceful way - I'm no peace loving hippy BTW but there has to be a better way than blowing the crap out of each other - who really wins then ?.

 Smile



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User currently offlineNIKV69 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 16, posted (5 years 10 months 3 weeks 1 day 3 hours ago) and read 1718 times:



Quoting OA260 (Reply 6):
Is this a sacrifice the American people are willing to make?

Maybe should you ask the Jewish Americans how they feel.

Quoting CO7e7 (Reply 7):
When was that?

Many times, maybe when the President said something along the lines of wiping them off the map, which is a sentiment not exclusive to Iran.

Quoting CO7e7 (Reply 7):
If Iran wants to reduce Israel to dust, why is it America's problem? Why doen't Israel defend itself without the US support for ONCE in their lifetime?

Isreal is an ally and would probably not have any issue going in without us but if we have to disarm Iran in a hurry which benefits many it would be better to do it quickly.

Quoting DfwRevolution (Reply 9):
Crippling Iran's nuclear capability would not require a ground invasion or occupation. If the U.S. or Israel were to do anything, it would be to hammer Iran from the air. Yes, it could be costly. As costly as a mushroom cloud over Tel Aviv?

 checkmark 

Quoting DfwRevolution (Reply 9):
That doesn't mean we can bury our heads in the sand and hope that belligerent regimes don't obtain nuclear weapons.

LOL, belligerent is being generous.

Quoting MadameConcorde (Reply 11):
The W. Bush administration will be out very soon.
I wonder if the new Obama administration will change this and decide to launch an attack on Iran at some point or other.

Change you can believe in?

You know that "change we can believe in" is a campaign slogan right? Obama just said that to get the votes needed to win at any cost. Which he accomplished. Now that he is in over his head he has to do something prudent which is why he said Iran will not be allowed to develop nuclear arms. Kind of sounds familiar doesn't it? The countries are going to test him as soon as he gets into office. He better lose the rhetoric and grow a pair. You can see Isreal didn't wait to see what he would do.

Quoting CO7e7 (Reply 12):
I understand that, and I agree with it... However, we DO NOT need to go to a 3rd war to stop this.

Where have you been the last 30 years? Radical Islam doesn't understand anything but force. They don't want to talk they want Allah and Islam to be the only belief in the world. They want Isreal gone, dead whatever and they are never going to think any differently so what do you suggest?

Quoting CO7e7 (Reply 12):
Why not try diplomacy

Won't work.

Quoting CO7e7 (Reply 12):
Why is it that our country has to be the world police??

We have sacrificed a lot of young American men and women for the sake of the world... maybe it's time for someone else to man up.

Should we have just stayed out of WWII as well and let Hitler and Japan just run amuck? Why did we fight in that war? Who else is going to man up?


User currently offlineDfwRevolution From United States of America, joined Jan 2010, 997 posts, RR: 51
Reply 17, posted (5 years 10 months 3 weeks 1 day 3 hours ago) and read 1717 times:



Quoting CO7e7 (Reply 12):
Why can't someone else deal with it? Why not try diplomacy? Why is it that our country has to be the world police??

1. Very few nations are even capable of striking Iran effectively.
2. Of course diplomatic negotiations have been attempted. Iran refuses to negotiate with the nature of their nuclear programs.
3. We're not the world police, we just have more interests and more enemies than most due to our status as a superpower. There are plenty of conflicts where the U.S. hasn't intervened with military force.

Quoting CO7e7 (Reply 12):
We have sacrificed a lot of young American men and women for the sake of the world... maybe it's time for someone else to man up.

I agree, but this is a classic example of free riding. If Nation A knows that Nation B is capable (and thus likely) to take action unilaterally, the incentive to work together is diminished.

Quoting OA260 (Reply 13):
The repercussions could be as bad if not worse . It could cause a World War like never seen before.

A situation which (although highly unlikely) could also happen if we do nothing and Iran starts a conflict. The question is: if confrontation is inevitable, would you rather confront a nuclear Iran or a non-nuclear Iran. Iran has repeatedly refused to negotiate on their nuclear programs and they openly support the obliteration of a certain neighboring state. The latter is not just "rhetoric" since they provide assistance to the groups who are attacking Israel right now.


User currently offlineOA260 From Ireland, joined Nov 2006, 27255 posts, RR: 60
Reply 18, posted (5 years 10 months 3 weeks 1 day 2 hours ago) and read 1704 times:



Quoting NIKV69 (Reply 16):
Maybe should you ask the Jewish Americans how they feel.

Is America just Jewish ? What about Catholic Americans/Sikh Americans/Muslim Americans/
Hispanic Americans/Asian Americans and so on . America is not just one community you know . All these communities have an equal say in policy and make sacrifices.

Quoting DfwRevolution (Reply 17):
would you rather confront a nuclear Iran or a non-nuclear Iran.

Well I dont want to see Iran get nuclear weapons but Id prefer a majority vote of International countries rather than an Iraq situation. Id rather other countries stand up and be counted so that Iran could see how many countries were opposed to them then they couldnt blame just a few countries.

The whole Nuclear issue seems to be absent from the news these days for obvious reasons but there does not seem to be much diplomatic pressure by the international community so far.

One thing for sure it will be interesting to see how Obama handles this.


User currently offlineCO7e7 From United States of America, joined Dec 2004, 2849 posts, RR: 2
Reply 19, posted (5 years 10 months 3 weeks 1 day 2 hours ago) and read 1701 times:



Quoting Jutes85 (Reply 14):
Israel has offered to deal with it but the US denied them this right

Becuase it involves IAF flying over Iraqi airspace (or some other middle eastern country)... now the problem is, who has the authority to allow this to happen? The US or Iraq?
Iraq is now trying to work things out with Iran, so I don't think the Iraqis are going to allow the Israelis to use their airspace to attack Iran.
On the other hand, if the US allows Israel to use Iraqi airspace, then the whole argument of Iraq becoming a soverign independant state because nothing but BS.

Quoting NIKV69 (Reply 16):
Maybe should you ask the Jewish Americans how they feel

Why?? Jewish Americans are 2.5% of the US population... what about the opinion of the other 97.5% ??

Quoting NIKV69 (Reply 16):
maybe when the President said something along the lines of wiping them off the map,

He does not have the balls to do that. Seeing that Israel has arabs living in it and arab countries surrounding it. He won't be killing Israeli... but "fellow muslims".. if that means anything to him...

Quoting NIKV69 (Reply 16):
Isreal is an ally and would probably not have any issue going in without us but if we have to disarm Iran in a hurry which benefits many it would be better to do it quickly.

Yes they would. Israel was unable to defeat Hizbolla, and now after 16 days of fighting Hamas, they were unable to stop the rockets on Sdirot and other southern towns...

You really think Israel can take on Iran without US support?

Quoting NIKV69 (Reply 16):
Who else is going to man up?

That's the milion dollar question!


User currently offlineNIKV69 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 20, posted (5 years 10 months 3 weeks 1 day 2 hours ago) and read 1685 times:



Quoting CO7e7 (Reply 20):
Why?? Jewish Americans are 2.5% of the US population... what about the opinion of the other 97.5% ??

Source? That figure seems a little off.

Quoting CO7e7 (Reply 20):
He does not have the balls to do that. Seeing that Israel has arabs living in it and arab countries surrounding it. He won't be killing Israeli... but "fellow muslims".. if that means anything to him...

You know this how?

Quoting CO7e7 (Reply 20):
Yes they would. Israel was unable to defeat Hizbolla, and now after 16 days of fighting Hamas, they were unable to stop the rockets on Sdirot and other southern towns...

You really think Israel can take on Iran without US support?

Not a question about that. These aren't homemade rockets shot out of someone's backyard. Once nuclear weapons are involved it becomes everyone's problem.

Quoting CO7e7 (Reply 20):
That's the Million dollar question.

Not really. Obama knows if Isreal wants or help or not if Iran needs some sort of armed conflict either in the air or ground we will lend a hand.


User currently offlineCO7e7 From United States of America, joined Dec 2004, 2849 posts, RR: 2
Reply 21, posted (5 years 10 months 3 weeks 1 day 2 hours ago) and read 1675 times:



Quoting NIKV69 (Reply 21):
Source? That figure seems a little off.

Jewish Virtual Library... It's actually 2.2%
http://www.jewishvirtuallibrary.org/jsource/US-Israel/usjewpop.html

Quoting NIKV69 (Reply 21):
You know this how?

Let's just say from personal experience.. I was born and raised in Israel and I lived there for about 25 years and I still have family in Jerusalem and Tel-Aviv. But again, that's my personal observation/opinion... I could be wrong.


User currently offlineQANTAS077 From Australia, joined Jan 2004, 5861 posts, RR: 39
Reply 22, posted (5 years 10 months 3 weeks 1 day 2 hours ago) and read 1675 times:

Quoting NIKV69 (Reply 5):
This is hardball, not softball.

this just illustrates why Bin Laden loves people like you, so much!

encourage your govt to start another war in the middle east and see what happens...

Quoting NIKV69 (Reply 16):
Many times, maybe when the President said something along the lines of wiping them off the map, which is a sentiment not exclusive to Iran.

no, he said the wipe the regime off the map, the Iranian President has NO power at all, its just talk.

[Edited 2009-01-11 13:09:30]


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User currently offlineOA260 From Ireland, joined Nov 2006, 27255 posts, RR: 60
Reply 23, posted (5 years 10 months 3 weeks 1 day 2 hours ago) and read 1658 times:



Quoting CO7e7 (Reply 21):
Jewish Virtual Library... It's actually 2.2%

Thanks for the clarification. Its alot less than I thought. Someone was certainly excluding quite alot of other ethnic groups  Wink


User currently offlineJutes85 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 24, posted (5 years 10 months 3 weeks 1 day 1 hour ago) and read 1644 times:



Quoting CO7e7 (Reply 19):
You really think Israel can take on Iran without US support?

Without using nuclear weapons, yes. I don't think that Iran has the balls to face Israel one vs one in a modern military war. If Israel were to attack Iran's nuclear installations, Iran would undoubtedly back down, just like Iraq did. They know they can't get it's army within 1000km's of the Israeli border and fighting Israel in the sky would be a turkey shoot. This is all assuming that the US does nothing and backs off militarily because most of the AA fighting would be over Iraq.


25 KiwiRob : You've got to be kidding, the only reason why Iran wants nukes is because Israel has them, now if the world forced Israel to disarm and Iran kept it
26 CO7e7 : How do you know that? Have you seen the Iranians at war? I haven't so I don't know. If Israel were to attack Iran, do you trust that Jordan, Egypt, L
27 Jutes85 : They won't have to. If Iran wants to invade Israel they will have to do it by foot..that is a long hike through the desert. Only thing that I'm uncer
28 CO7e7 : That makes sense.
29 Moose135 : That's exactly what we did until December 7, 1941. Until US territory was attacked, we supported our allies with weapons and materials, but we did no
30 Cairo : Great Question !!! In practical terms, this scenario would do nothing to the US. Why is a basic question not asked more often, "Why is America even i
31 Seb146 : Hear hear! It really bothers me when I hear news reports about "Iran said..." and "The United States said..." Don't speak for me. What Bush and his c
32 Aaron747 : Israel betrayed our mutual interests when they refused to put a stop to the settlement issue once and for all, and they betrayed it further when they
33 DfwRevolution : 1. Talk about the pot calling the kettle black. 2. That may be a (singular) reason, but not the only (solitary) reason. And ask yourself why Iran wan
34 Viaggiare : The Iranians are less interested in building a nuclear weapon than in having the United States (and Israel) believe they are building one. Israel has
35 NIKV69 : Fact is you have no idea what he is capable of but what is known is he like Hamas and Hezbollah is that they want Isreal not to exist. Monty we are n
36 CO7e7 : Like you know what he's capable of !! How many people have the rockets killed? Give me a number.
37 Post contains links NAV20 : This keeps coming up. Despite the fact that it is pure rhetoric. I could find you numbers of extreme Zionists who still reckon that 'Israel' should s
38 Cairo : It's not selfish to suggest opinions should only be given as much weight as the number of people who hold that opinion. It's democratic, that's all I
39 Elite : What right? Israel asked for permission, the United States denied. There is no violation of any rights whatsoever... The U.S. will not always support
40 Ipodguy7 : Why> Why? Why would the US say no to attacking a known enemy's nuclear site!? If I was in Israel's place I would be bombing the h3ll out of Iran and G
41 Elite : Then thank God you are not in charge Israeli's attacks. Firstly, Israel asked permission from the United States - and the United States refused. Atta
42 STT757 : Because we got rid of Saddam for them at tremendous cost of blood and treasure on our own, and all the gains so hard won by US troops making tremendo
43 Ihadapheo : doing so would toss away any thing influence we have gained in the area out the window and fan the flames of fanaticism on all side of this? The answ
44 CO7e7 : Interesting... Bomb Iran's nuclear sites in order to stop the alleged flow of "AK-47s" to Gaza!! How do you know that Iran is supporting Hamas? I'm r
45 Post contains links Baroque : Source? You are ptretty keen to ask for sources. Just to help you: http://www.ahmadinejad.ir/ His current blog contains no mention of maps. His websi
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