Sleekjet From United States of America, joined Jul 2001, 2045 posts, RR: 23 Posted (4 years 10 months 4 weeks 1 day 20 hours ago) and read 22070 times:
I'm studying the choices...Ford, Chevy, Toyota, and Dodge. I'm leaning toward Dodge and their made-over Ram for 2009. Do any of you have a 2009 Ram or any of the others for '09? Would you buy the truck again?
ZBBYLW From Canada, joined Nov 2006, 1942 posts, RR: 7 Reply 1, posted (4 years 10 months 4 weeks 1 day 20 hours ago) and read 22061 times:
While I do not personally own the trucks I do have some expierence with some of them. Most of them are city driven and not used as they should be. The F150 the guy is happy with the interior, good for hauling around the family, makes him feel safe. The Dodge Ram 1500, my sisters BF has one, he has decked it out with rims, DVD players and the like, he likes it - I think its kinda childish. The Toyota, my friend has a Tundra and loves it. He beats it up drives it off road and drives it hard and swears buy it.
I will never buy a dodge product. Our family test drove a ram a few years ago and it STALLED in the parking lot of the dealership.
But right now if I were buying a truck. Id either buy a Ford F-150, there is a reason its still the #1 selling truck in america. We had a '97 that lasted forever and now have a -250, and they are both solid, well built trucks. Id also consider a Chevy Silverado. Another solid truck and has a very good warranty.
Doors open, right hand side, next stop is Springfield.
Ihadapheo From United States of America, joined Sep 2001, 6027 posts, RR: 56 Reply 5, posted (4 years 10 months 4 weeks 1 day 20 hours ago) and read 22034 times:
I had the chance to drive a '09 F150 (one of the MDs at work has one and let me drive it for a short spin around the hospital area streets). from my brief trip I would say that It is a nice truck. The doc says he likes it so. Sorry for he lack of an in depth review but this is the best I can add to the discussion
Cptkrell From United States of America, joined Sep 2001, 2855 posts, RR: 13 Reply 7, posted (4 years 10 months 4 weeks 1 day 19 hours ago) and read 21972 times:
Well, as an ex-GMer, I'm going to be prejudiced but not anecdotal towards the Silverado I own ( '06 4X4 1500 long bed w/ tow, off-road, etc).
Currently 58,157 miles (2,180.6 engine hours) now. I've abused this truck in the hills, through the weeds and creeks, pulled a couple of Fords out of the ditch, towed my trailer w/ tractor loaded and done a myriad of excursions that probably very few of you will and it has not let me down. The '09s are even better being re-engineered/designed and I've had a few hours in same whilst my '06 was loaned out. The only problem I've had w/ my truck was R&Ring a new transfer case when almost new...a warranty-covered defect that had me back on the road in a day. The amenities work great; air pumps cold in 100+F in about two minutes and the heat/defrrost crankshot in about three minutes on a 10-20F morning (good thermostat!). 65-70 MPH on the interstate gets me 20-22 MPG (no tow load), "hottting" it a little or in town gets about 15-17 MPG, and this is with a 4:10 rear axle ratio (in non-tow mode). Were I to do it again, I'd order a 3:73 axle because the little "Corvette" V-8 has plenty of torque.
Now, for the anecdotal scenarios. My son-in-law has a small-block V-8 Ford F150 (2005 model) that performs like a pig and he gets 2 to 3 mpg less than I do in same driving conditions (plus he doesn't use it off-road and it rattles to beat hell...ugh).
Good buddy that works with me is on his second new Dodge, a 2007 3500 Diesel Ram (the first one burned up because an engine compartment fire) and he's ready to test the Chevys and Fords because the current turbo Cummings "ain't got it".
Granted, these are reviews for light truck-trucks, not pussy-cruiser wanna-be trucks, but I thought I'd chime in. Although I'd like to see you check out the Chev/GMC brands to help me keep at least another 48 hours of my retirement from going down the crapper, I believe ALL the new US trucks (and, BTW, GM brands, Ford, Dodge, ARE all, all-new for '08/'09) are of great quality and I think they deserve your test-drive(s). If you want a one or two year old model...go Chevy or GMC for sure.
If you want a new truck, now is the time to buy! Dealers are starving and as an example, I saw an ad on TV for new Dodge Rams at 50% off MSRP on vehicles in stock.
P.S. Not to bash our overseas competetor nameplates, but I know more than a couple guys around here that aren't too happy with their Nissan et al vehicles for performance/quality reasons. regards...jack
MCOflyer From United States of America, joined Jun 2006, 8600 posts, RR: 13 Reply 8, posted (4 years 10 months 4 weeks 1 day 18 hours ago) and read 21963 times:
Explains why nissan is having dodge replace their titan with a ram.
My dad has an 05 ram and its better than a Tundra, and a titan combined. Tundras are wayy to freaking expensive. Saw one out the door for 50k. Titans; see above. The F150 is a good, durable, and reliable truck. I almost bought one when I bought my old suv.
Jutes85 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR: Reply 10, posted (4 years 10 months 4 weeks 1 day 15 hours ago) and read 21856 times:
Unless I'm hauling around alot of crap daily, an F-150 or Ram is overkill. Those trucks have gotten huge over the years. The only truck that I'd look into is either the Tacoma or Frontier if I don't live on a farm and drive it to work everyday.
This is an honest question: do you really need a truck? I mean, REALLY? Or do you just want one?
If yes, then read no further. All power to you...
Otherwise...and this is just my humble opinion, if you're gonna get one just as a status symbol (like 90% of all people who get trucks nowadays ) and rarely ever haul stuff in the back or take it off road, then you're wasting your money, And no, I'm not a tree-hugging eco-freak. People driving the damned Prius use them as status symbols as well, failing to realize they do poorly as efficient and "eco-friendly" vehicles they're all hyped up to be in the long run.
All I'm saying is, your money could be much better spent in a decent sedan or coupe.
Then again, if you have money to waste, then all power to you as well.
BristolFlyer From United Kingdom, joined May 2004, 2233 posts, RR: 0 Reply 13, posted (4 years 10 months 4 weeks 1 day 15 hours ago) and read 21839 times:
You haven't given us much info about what you need (especially about the size).
But here's how I see it, FWIW I have owned Ford F150, Chevy 3/4 ton, GMC 1/2 ton and now Tacoma.
Ford and Chevy are good as work trucks. Pretty reliable, easy to maintain and parts are cheap and readily available.
Dodge are nasty trucks. Build quality is the worst of all those in this list. They're mainly used as mall crawlers as people like to deck them out with nasty aftermarket accessories. I have hardly ever seen them on construction sites - a testament to their lack of ruggedness. There's a reason why they were discounted 50% last year. The one slavation with Dodge are the Cummins engine which is good.
Toyota are great quailty - Tacoma especially. It's not as powerful/big as the big 3's half tons, but if you don't need the extra capacity and you can afford the extra $$$ up front, do it. You'll get it back in the end - the depreciation is the best in class. You won't want to sell it though - they last forever.
Superfly From Thailand, joined May 2000, 39408 posts, RR: 76 Reply 15, posted (4 years 10 months 4 weeks 1 day 11 hours ago) and read 21797 times:
Quoting DXing (Reply 11): Ford absolutely ruined the front of that truck. It looks more like the National Lampoons family truckster every year.
Trucks are supposed to be ugly.
Quoting FLY2HMO (Reply 12): This is an honest question: do you really need a truck? I mean, REALLY? Or do you just want one?
Sleekjet doesn't owe any of us a reason for buying a truck.
From what I remember, it looks like he lives on a ranch in rural Texas from one of the self pictures threads in the past. A pick up truck is a necessity in that environment.
Falstaff From United States of America, joined Jun 2006, 5877 posts, RR: 28 Reply 16, posted (4 years 10 months 4 weeks 1 day 7 hours ago) and read 21771 times:
Quoting Superfly (Reply 15): Sleekjet doesn't owe any of us a reason for buying a truck.
I like all three choices for an American full size truck. I like GM trucks, but I do like that F-150. I would drive all three and see what you like best. If I still didn't know I would flip a coin.
Save a few bucks and buy a clean 1973-1987 GM truck. If you can find a non rusty one you have a truck that will last forever and is super cheap and easy to fix. My 84 has ??? miles on it and I painted over the rust with a brush, but it runs and drives like new. I would drive it anywhere.
A buddy of mine has a "1976" Chevy truck and it is his daily driver. he puts about 30,000 miles a year on it. His 76 is made from parts of a 76, 79,78,82, and a 85 Chevy Caprice. The frame and cab are a 76 so that is where the "1976" comes from. It is all painted one color (done the right way, not a brush like me) and looks good.
PC12Fan From United States of America, joined Jan 2007, 2327 posts, RR: 5 Reply 20, posted (4 years 10 months 4 weeks 1 day 5 hours ago) and read 21709 times:
Quoting Cadet57 (Reply 4): The 09 ram is freakin fugly. And they're turning the interior into a car with every model year. Leather and wifi in a truck isnt practical. Why not just buy a nice SUV if you want that stuff?
They're pleasing multiple markets. If you don't like it, don't but it. Don't know about you, but I know I wouldn't want to haul bags of manure or a catch of fish in the back of an SUV.
One of the greatest work trucks ever, but it is too much vehicle for most that even want a pickup.
I personally admire Dodge's thinking on the 09' 1500 Ram. Gambling with coil suspension in the rear, and from some reviews I have read it may be paying off. Very good off road qualities. Sure, handling suffers with a heavy load, but the market Dodge is aiming at seldomly if even ever, would load down the vehicle to it's max capacity. Yet, it is great for every day driving.
Just when I think you've said the stupidest thing ever, you keep talkin'!
Dougloid From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR: Reply 21, posted (4 years 10 months 4 weeks 1 day 4 hours ago) and read 21693 times:
Quoting BristolFlyer (Reply 13): Toyota are great quailty - Tacoma especially. It's not as powerful/big as the big 3's half tons, but if you don't need the extra capacity and you can afford the extra $$$ up front, do it. You'll get it back in the end - the depreciation is the best in class. You won't want to sell it though - they last forever.
The frame rustout comes at no extra charge. Now that's smart thinking, moving you forward.
Treebeard787 From United States of America, joined Jul 2005, 585 posts, RR: 1 Reply 22, posted (4 years 10 months 4 weeks 1 day 4 hours ago) and read 21679 times:
Quoting Dougloid (Reply 21): The frame rustout comes at no extra charge. Now that's smart thinking, moving you forward.
Oh cut it out, Did you see that most of those complaints were about older trucks? The newest Tacoma complained about is an 05 and in reality the actual number of trucks that will have problems is probably not all that high compared to the number of Toyotas that will last forever, Now I drive an 09 Tacoma and I love driving it and yes I have hauled stuff with it. I wouldn't be to quick to criticize the Toyota trucks, My brother also has an 08 tacoma and hasn't had any issues with it and my dad used to have a 2000 Tundra for awhile with no issues.
Now I'm not saying that there aren't better vehicles then a Toyota I'm just saying that I wouldn't be so quick to criticize them, As Toyota makes very high quality vehicles.
Now Sleekjet, I think what truck you get is dependent on where you will use it and for what purpose you will need it for. If you won't have to haul to many very heavy loads then I would lean towards the Tacoma, However if you need something bigger then that I would without hesitation look at the F150 or Tundra. In the end it will be ultimately up to you to chose what you want and need.
That said, it can be very difficult to judge new designs. I happen to be a fan of vehicles with well designed engines that pass the test of time and move on into classic status. The Chevy 350 (5.7L) was one of those but it is no longer available in anything newer than 10 years old. I've been in the market for a used truck in the $5,000 range and found there are two clear winners in trucks 5-8 years old.
Ford F150 has a 5.4L that is very efficient and seems to be living a long life. Best in its class for mileage. Chevy has a 5.3L that everybody raves about. My internet questions and surveys show relatively little praise for Tundras as well as Dodge gas engined.
I am a Ford fan, and have driven a Ranger for over 15 years but considering that Chevy tends to have better interiors, I will probably make the switch to a 2000-2004 Silverado.
25 Cadet57: Sure, as long as their frames dont rust out. Funny, ive never heard of a massive recall of fords or chevys or dodges because after a few years their
26 BristolFlyer: Laughing at your own 'jokes'. Meh. Err, I'm not sure it was 'massive'. And in any case, Ford/Chev/Dodge don't bother recalling their trucks over a fe
27 Cadet57: Yup, just keep replaying that stereotype over and over and over....
28 Srbmod: Word is that the 2500/3500 restyle for '10 won't be using coil suspension, and will be styled slightly differently than the 1500. There are also rumo
29 Dougloid: As well they should have. Fact is, it never should have happened in the first place. Oh, I'm sorry. But then.... A little biased, are we? How many tr
30 A332: I would recommend Ford & GM trucks as your best bet. Steer clear of Dodge. All of the people that I know that have owned a Dodge pickup truck have com
31 Falstaff: I guess the massive amount of GM and Ford trucks from the 1950s on up that are still on the road don't impress you. Even in the rust belt the amount
32 Jpax: I was also interested to read more about this rust recall. A quick Google search shows anywhere from 850,000 to over a million were bought back, and