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Mac Users: Do You Use Anti-virus?  
User currently offlineElite From Hong Kong, joined Jun 2006, 2803 posts, RR: 10
Posted (5 years 8 months 1 week 5 days 22 hours ago) and read 2194 times:

I've been using my iMac since May and I've had no virus problems, but instead of assuming that my mighty Mac is invincible  Wink I decided to look for an anti-virus for it... but didn't know which one to go with.

So, fellow Mac users - which one are you using, if you are using one?

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User currently offlineJogales From United States of America, joined Aug 2005, 437 posts, RR: 0
Reply 1, posted (5 years 8 months 1 week 5 days 22 hours ago) and read 2184 times:

Been a mac user all my life and I've never used an anti virus program. Never had a virus either.

Josh



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User currently offlineCadet57 From United States of America, joined Jul 2005, 9085 posts, RR: 30
Reply 2, posted (5 years 8 months 1 week 5 days 22 hours ago) and read 2182 times:



Quoting Elite (Thread starter):
Do You Use Anti-virus?  

Nope.



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User currently offlineLTU932 From Germany, joined Jan 2006, 13864 posts, RR: 50
Reply 3, posted (5 years 8 months 1 week 5 days 22 hours ago) and read 2178 times:



Quoting Elite (Thread starter):
Mac Users: Do You Use Anti-virus?

No.


User currently offlineElite From Hong Kong, joined Jun 2006, 2803 posts, RR: 10
Reply 4, posted (5 years 8 months 1 week 5 days 22 hours ago) and read 2174 times:

I guess we are all strong believers in the "Macs don't get viruses" theory then, aren't we?  Big grin

User currently offlineMariner From New Zealand, joined Nov 2001, 25274 posts, RR: 85
Reply 5, posted (5 years 8 months 1 week 5 days 21 hours ago) and read 2137 times:
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I've used Mac's since 1981, and I've never had a problem.

mariner



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User currently offlineKlaus From Germany, joined Jul 2001, 21467 posts, RR: 53
Reply 6, posted (5 years 8 months 1 week 5 days 21 hours ago) and read 2137 times:



Quoting Elite (Reply 4):
I guess we are all strong believers in the "Macs don't get viruses" theory then, aren't we?

In my case more in "OS X Macs have not so far gotten any viruses", which is a bit more cautious.

(There actually have been a handful of viruses for the "classic" MacOS quite a few years ago, but these have never gained that much distribution and they are no longer "compatible" with the new MacOS X.)


The point is that "antivirus" software is always a tradeoff: In order to work, it automatically incurs not just performance penalties but it also increases the exposure to several kinds of risks (bugs in the software itself which may cause damage, vulnerability of the antivirus software itself for external attacks).

So unless there is a compelling reason to tun one I will abstain.

It would be optimal if a combination of the pretty good inherent security of MacOS X (in part due to not being Windows with its horrendous mistakes like Active X and others), careful behaviour of most Mac users and Apple's quick responses to emerging vulnerabilities could keep this kind of software obsolete; But unfortunately neither front is completely impenetrable. Windows is just a much easier and larger target right now.

At this point I generally recommend Mac users to be cautious and circumspect in what they do and how they do it, keep an eye open for implausible things happening or being requested and being especially wary of requests for the admin password without a really good reason.

Disabling the option to 'open "safe" files after downloading' in Safari is a good idea; Being cautious about what sofware from which sources will be run or not is an essential necessity.

Currently there are no self-propagating viruses for MacOS X as far as I'm aware; There are a small number of trojans (software which tries to lure you into installing it with admin privileges) and of course regular internet fraud and phishing remain potential threats.

But for a cautious user there doesn't seem to be a need for a specialized "antivirus" software at this point. This may change at some point, but through seven years there has not been a known attack, so such a program would not really help against anything but the disadvantages would be there nevertheless.


User currently offlineKlaus From Germany, joined Jul 2001, 21467 posts, RR: 53
Reply 7, posted (5 years 8 months 1 week 5 days 20 hours ago) and read 2132 times:



Quoting Mariner (Reply 5):
I've used Mac's since 1981, and I've never had a problem.

Not a mean feat – Macs have been in production only since 1984...!  cool 


User currently onlineGoldenshield From United States of America, joined Jan 2001, 6037 posts, RR: 14
Reply 8, posted (5 years 8 months 1 week 5 days 20 hours ago) and read 2129 times:



Quoting Klaus (Reply 7):
Not a mean feat – Macs have been in production only since 1984...!   

I guess it's not as bad as this guy on a VB.net forum I browse, who said he recently switched from programming Apple IIe's with Apple Basic, and made the astronomically HUGE jump up to VB.net



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User currently offlineMariner From New Zealand, joined Nov 2001, 25274 posts, RR: 85
Reply 9, posted (5 years 8 months 1 week 5 days 20 hours ago) and read 2120 times:
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Quoting Klaus (Reply 7):
Not a mean feat %u2013 Macs have been in production only since 1984...!

Quite a feat indeed.  Smile

The brain said 1984. The fingers typed 1981. My bad.

mariner



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User currently offlineHawaiian717 From United States of America, joined May 1999, 3195 posts, RR: 7
Reply 10, posted (5 years 8 months 1 week 5 days 19 hours ago) and read 2106 times:

I wouldn't pay for it. The free ClamXav is what I recommend.

http://www.clamxav.com/


User currently offlineKlaus From Germany, joined Jul 2001, 21467 posts, RR: 53
Reply 11, posted (5 years 8 months 1 week 5 days 12 hours ago) and read 2049 times:



Quoting Mariner (Reply 9):
Quite a feat indeed.

Well, some people have always been ahead of their times! I wouldn't have put it past you...

Quoting Mariner (Reply 9):
The brain said 1984. The fingers typed 1981. My bad.

That's okay too! Big grin


User currently offlineElite From Hong Kong, joined Jun 2006, 2803 posts, RR: 10
Reply 12, posted (5 years 8 months 1 week 5 days 12 hours ago) and read 2046 times:

Thanks for the advice Klaus, and of course all the other members who chipped in. I have come to the conclusion that the mighty Mac is still invincible Big grin and I won't worry about it until problems actually arise.

User currently offlineKlaus From Germany, joined Jul 2001, 21467 posts, RR: 53
Reply 13, posted (5 years 8 months 1 week 5 days 12 hours ago) and read 2045 times:



Quoting Elite (Reply 12):
Thanks for the advice Klaus, and of course all the other members who chipped in. I have come to the conclusion that the mighty Mac is still invincible  and I won't worry about it until problems actually arise.

I wouldn't say "invincible" so much as "not conquered at least yet"... Just keep your eyes open!  Big grin


User currently offlineAverageUser From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 14, posted (5 years 8 months 1 week 5 days 12 hours ago) and read 2036 times:



Quoting Klaus (Reply 6):
(in part due to not being Windows with its horrendous mistakes like Active X and others),

I wish you took some tile and actually explained this deficiency to common users instead of the usual rant against MS. That might give the readers an appreciation that you know what you're writing about in the Windows department.


User currently offlineKlaus From Germany, joined Jul 2001, 21467 posts, RR: 53
Reply 15, posted (5 years 8 months 1 week 5 days 10 hours ago) and read 2023 times:

Windows had been written in the time before MS finally clued up to what the Internet really was and what it would mean with respect to security. Active X was conceived as a way to "expand functionality" by letting a web site take control of one's computer, and that it did – just not limited to Microsoft's system updates, but quickly adopted by malware spreaders as one of the main avenues to grow malware from the occasional exploit basically created for "fun" and ego to the multi-billion criminal industry we know today.

Active X was in some ways intended as an MS-owned, NDA-controlled proprietary competition to Java, tied into Windows as tightly as possible, just without bothering to invest as much conceptual effort into it as it would have required, especially since Active X can interfere with the system to a deeper degree than Java does.

Just one of many areas where a priority on the fight for market dominance combined with sloppy design and implementation has had severe consequences for the users.

[Edited 2009-01-12 06:18:39]

User currently offlineAjd1992 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 16, posted (5 years 8 months 1 week 5 days 8 hours ago) and read 1997 times:

I don't, I just have the firewall turned on.

I've never had a virus on my Macbook. At least, not on the Leopard partition... I have on the Winblows one.

 Sad

Saying that, I will definitely look into that free OSX anti-virus Hawaiian posted. Can never be too careful  Wink


User currently offlineRabenschlag From Germany, joined Oct 2000, 1007 posts, RR: 0
Reply 17, posted (5 years 8 months 1 week 5 days 7 hours ago) and read 1979 times:

I run the Sophos Antivirus that my employer provides. I did not think about it too much, I just put it on. Maybe I should consider removing it?

User currently offlineAero145 From Iceland, joined Jan 2005, 3071 posts, RR: 18
Reply 18, posted (5 years 8 months 1 week 5 days 7 hours ago) and read 1979 times:

Our houses have always been full of Macs, and only once there was a virusproblem (maybe not a real virus, but a problem), and that was when an “infected” file from a computer with Windows 2k was sent over to a Mac with the original Mac OS o.s. It was a long time ago, and at the moment there are three Macs in the haus, each one without problems.

As I babble in German:
Mac für den Gewinn! Big grin

Greetings,
DAE


User currently offlineKlaus From Germany, joined Jul 2001, 21467 posts, RR: 53
Reply 19, posted (5 years 8 months 1 week 5 days 7 hours ago) and read 1973 times:



Quoting Aero145 (Reply 18):
Our houses have always been full of Macs, and only once there was a virusproblem (maybe not a real virus, but a problem), and that was when an “infected” file from a computer with Windows 2k was sent over to a Mac with the original Mac OS o.s.

The main function of Mac "antivirus" software is to filter communication for Windows-based malware which wouldn't be capable of affecting the Mac itself. It's probably been just that.


User currently offlineAero145 From Iceland, joined Jan 2005, 3071 posts, RR: 18
Reply 20, posted (5 years 8 months 1 week 5 days 6 hours ago) and read 1960 times:



Quoting Klaus (Reply 19):
The main function of Mac "antivirus" software is to filter communication for Windows-based malware which wouldn't be capable of affecting the Mac itself. It's probably been just that.

Ach so. I still think it’s not worth to buy antivirus software - we’ll just trust our “luck”.  Silly

Tschüü,
DAE


User currently offlineRara From Germany, joined Jan 2007, 2091 posts, RR: 2
Reply 21, posted (5 years 8 months 1 week 5 days 6 hours ago) and read 1954 times:

For a bit of perspective from a Windows user, I also don't run a virus scanner, and I never had a virus.


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User currently offlineKlaus From Germany, joined Jul 2001, 21467 posts, RR: 53
Reply 22, posted (5 years 8 months 1 week 5 days 6 hours ago) and read 1949 times:



Quoting Aero145 (Reply 20):
Ach so. I still think it’s not worth to buy antivirus software - we’ll just trust our “luck”.

No need to get reckless – But generally being careful seems to be best right now. When actually dangerous malware should emerge one day, special software may become useful. But that day has not come yet, from all appearances.


User currently offlineAero145 From Iceland, joined Jan 2005, 3071 posts, RR: 18
Reply 23, posted (5 years 8 months 1 week 5 days 6 hours ago) and read 1943 times:



Quoting Klaus (Reply 22):
No need to get reckless – But generally being careful seems to be best right now. When actually dangerous malware should emerge one day, special software may become useful. But that day has not come yet, from all appearances.

Not reckless by any means - just don’t find it worthwhile to waste money on a software that will not be really useful. At least, if something pops up, I hope it won’t be on of your Macs and that it’ll be something very tiny and egal.


User currently offlineKlaus From Germany, joined Jul 2001, 21467 posts, RR: 53
Reply 24, posted (5 years 8 months 1 week 5 days 6 hours ago) and read 1942 times:



Quoting Rara (Reply 21):
For a bit of perspective from a Windows user, I also don't run a virus scanner, and I never had a virus.

That, unfortunately, is a much different situation, since there is a large number of self-propagating malware threats around for Windows, but none of these for the Mac thus far.

Whether you can safely go without additional protection under Windows depends on many factors, among them the browser and the mail program you're using, your system version and update status plus various settings and behaviours beyond that.

Given the situation under Windows, I would at least recommend occasional scans for malware. Otherwise you might well have one of the many malware bots or rootkits on your machine, busily distributing spam and malware without you being even aware of it.


25 Klaus : I generally agrree with you on that. The thing is that even if one day a credible threat should emerge, an existing "protection" application will usu
26 Aero145 : Hey. I escaped problems (as in PC - my PC was the first and last PC in our home!) just by switching to Mac. Problems solved, and more so. If I’ll s
27 DfwRevolution : I haven't used anti-virus or malware software on my Mac and I've owned it for about 2.5 years. My credit card number was recently stolen, so I took th
28 Mirrodie : I'd tend to agree with respect to MS. Seems my current McAfee protection software along with others really slows down the functioning of my computer.
29 Klaus : You're welcome! I hope you'll enjoy your new toy!
30 Elite : Looks like I wasn't the only one that consulted Klaus before buying a Mac!! You should apply for a part time marketing job with them. Hm, that's risk
31 LTU932 : What I could need is maybe a job at Gravis (the biggest Apple retailer in Germany). Given that I work multi-platform with Windows and Mac, plus have
32 Elite : Should I select the "Allow only essential services" option under Firewall? Because right now my setting is "Allow all incoming connections".
33 ANCsupercub : i don't.... i haven't had any problems
34 Hawaiian717 : You're not the first person I've seen state this, and I don't understand it. If you don't run a virus scanner, how do you know you don't have a virus
35 LTU932 : Which firewall? In Windows, I simply let everything as it is (default settings) and I still don't have any problems. In any case, just be careful. Fo
36 Theredbaron : NO. I have never had a virus in the 23 years I have been a MAc User.
37 Bill142 : I haven't had any problems with viruses or spyware etc. But just because there risk is lower, does not mean it should be ignored. Macs are still susce
38 Post contains links Vhqpa : I only recently made the switch from PC to Mac after loosing a few PC's to Malware/Viruses I'd rather play it safe. At the moment I'm running a 2 mont
39 Aero145 : Well, if I didn’t know better, Macs can’t have viruses. I saw an explanation for it once, but I can’t find it anymore. I remember also that I r
40 Rutankrd : I have be using Mac Os10 since 10.1.2 right through to 10.5.6. Have never run any anti virus , however do have port monitoring programme called little
41 FlyKev : No anti virus on this iMac. Not invincible, but at the moment, the lack of viruses for mac, and to get one, you would really have to be wanting one se
42 Ikramerica : I've found the anti-virus stuff to be a PITA, myself. It bogs down the system, and creates instability, and never has a scan ever found anything! And
43 AverageUser : That's correct. You might also know that the default security settings for running ActiveX components are pretty tight in MS Explorer. An ActiveX Con
44 Bill142 : Rubbish. If some nerd wanted to write malicious code for Macs they could. If they weren't susceptible to attacks, why does Apple release security pat
45 Rutankrd : Bill142 LEAP-A is not strictly a virus or worm Its a Trojan Horse and as i said there have been some of them Also Apple release dozens of security pat
46 AverageUser : Does anyone else see a contradiction here? If having patches applicable is a certain sign of a "by-design" insusceptibility then the various MS OSs a
47 Post contains links Klaus : I would agree with most of your statements, but this one I must disagree with. I'd rather say that MacOS X is not as susceptible to virus proliferati
48 Rutankrd : AverageUser. No contradiction the patches are for vulnerabilities in the OS to buffer overrruns and software compatibliities. Hell you don't want a bu
49 Rutankrd : Klaus OK i agree to add --- as. Truth be told when talking of Security there is always the "Known unknown and unknown unknown" factors. And we both se
50 Post contains images Klaus : I didn't hink we really disagreed on that point, just the way you worded it above. I guess I'll still have to live with Donald Rumsfeld popping up in
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