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U.S. Postal Service May Drop Saturday Service  
User currently offlineDiamond From United States of America, joined Apr 2004, 3279 posts, RR: 63
Posted (5 years 8 months 3 weeks 4 days 10 hours ago) and read 3030 times:

Things are tough everywhere, it seems.

The post office is considering a reduction to a 5-day work week, which would eliminate some or all mail delivery on Saturdays.

Federal law has required that the USPS make Saturday deliveries available to all addresses since 1983.

Though this wouldn't have a big personal impact, it still is a grim reminder of the state of things at the moment.

http://money.cnn.com/2009/01/28/news/economy/postal_service/index.htm


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User currently offlineDoona From Sweden, joined Feb 2005, 3771 posts, RR: 13
Reply 1, posted (5 years 8 months 3 weeks 4 days 9 hours ago) and read 2979 times:



Quoting Diamond (Thread starter):
The post office is considering a reduction to a 5-day work week, which would eliminate some or all mail delivery on Saturdays.

Welcome to the rest of the world. Or at least Sweden. We don't have an actual post office any more. The postal service still exists, but they don't handle customers directly. And no service on Saturdays either. Not that that bothers me, I'd be pissed as hell if I got bills on my days off.
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User currently onlineNIKV69 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 2, posted (5 years 8 months 3 weeks 4 days 9 hours ago) and read 2976 times:

They way I read it didn't say Saturday. It just said they are looking for a 5 day week schedule and that their surveys lean more toward eliminating Tuesday delivery.

User currently offlineMOBflyer From United States of America, joined Sep 2007, 1209 posts, RR: 4
Reply 3, posted (5 years 8 months 3 weeks 4 days 7 hours ago) and read 2937 times:



Quoting NIKV69 (Reply 2):
They way I read it didn't say Saturday. It just said they are looking for a 5 day week schedule and that their surveys lean more toward eliminating Tuesday delivery.

Indeed. The idea is to discontinue service on the day with the least volume.


User currently offlineJFKMan From United States of America, joined Mar 2007, 598 posts, RR: 1
Reply 4, posted (5 years 8 months 3 weeks 4 days 7 hours ago) and read 2928 times:

Good one more day without bills!


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User currently offlinePhotopilot From Canada, joined Jul 2002, 2767 posts, RR: 18
Reply 5, posted (5 years 8 months 3 weeks 4 days 6 hours ago) and read 2888 times:

Oh heck, in Canada we get mail delivery Monday thru Friday and that's fine by me. The sortation plants work on weekends but general business and customer delivery is M-F only.

Oh, and Canada Post has had an operating PROFIT for the last 15 years. No federal funds, no bailout money, just hard work and dedicated employees. Imagine that!


User currently offlineLTBEWR From United States of America, joined Jan 2004, 13138 posts, RR: 15
Reply 6, posted (5 years 8 months 3 weeks 4 days 6 hours ago) and read 2888 times:

The USPS has seen for the first time in many years an overall and significant decline in most mail services and expects even less in the future. The use of e-mail and other internet communications, electronic billing and payment instead of getting bills and sending checks, less advertising (junk) mail have all been factors in that decline.
As to suspending a day, there may have to be a number of comprimises as to the designated day. If there is a 3 day - Monday holiday weekend, they you would have to have service on Tuesdays of such weeks. Businesses will not like the lost day as payment checks will be delayed by one more day getting to them. If you get selective by areas not to get 6 day service vs. 5 day, like inner-city areas and some rural areas, then you will get an earfull from the citizens. Of course, the day major government payments by check are expected to be recieved be delivered that day.
To me it is easier just to keep it at 6 days a week.


User currently offlineLH423 From Canada, joined Jul 1999, 6501 posts, RR: 54
Reply 7, posted (5 years 8 months 3 weeks 4 days 5 hours ago) and read 2855 times:



Quoting Doona (Reply 1):
Welcome to the rest of the world. Or at least Sweden. We don't have an actual post office any more. The postal service still exists, but they don't handle customers directly. And no service on Saturdays either. Not that that bothers me, I'd be pissed as hell if I got bills on my days off.

Same as in Canada. No Saturday service and for the most part customer contact has been farmed out to other businesses, like pharmacies and department stores. My only complaint with that is that there's often misinformation. For instance, I had to mail something and I looked at the Canada Post website for the hours of one location. It said open until 19:00 but when I got there at around 18:30 the post office desk was closed because they don't keep it open past last pick-up at 17:30 on Fridays. However, as far as I can tell that's not Canada Post's fault but more communication between the two would be nice.

Quoting Photopilot (Reply 5):
Oh, and Canada Post has had an operating PROFIT for the last 15 years. No federal funds, no bailout money, just hard work and dedicated employees. Imagine that!

Maybe so, but the USPS knocks the socks of Canada Post in terms of price and efficiency.

LH423



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User currently offlinePhotopilot From Canada, joined Jul 2002, 2767 posts, RR: 18
Reply 8, posted (5 years 8 months 3 weeks 4 days 4 hours ago) and read 2815 times:



Quoting LH423 (Reply 7):
Maybe so, but the USPS knocks the socks of Canada Post in terms of price and efficiency.

Hmmmm...... let's see if this makes sense. You lower the price of your postage until you're LOOSING Billions of dollars a year and somehow feel that is better than charging a realistic price for service and showing a profit. Ya, ok, that makes a lot of sense....NOT!!!!
So what you're REALLY saying is that you prefer a Government Subsidized Postal Rate to actually standing on your own feet. Gee, do the taxpayers know that?

As to efficiency, Well an efficient business makes money, an inefficient business looses money and depends on Gov't handouts/bailouts/subsidizes.


User currently offlineElite From Hong Kong, joined Jun 2006, 2872 posts, RR: 10
Reply 9, posted (5 years 8 months 3 weeks 4 days 4 hours ago) and read 2800 times:

This was expected, I suppose. The rise of the Internet led to the decline of the old, traditional mail. Now we have e-mail, instant messaging, and we can do a lot of things online that used to be done via mail. Most of the mails we receive nowadays are junk (advertisements), government related or school/work related. We rarely get any personalized mail anyways except for the occasional Christmas or birthday card.

Here in Hong Kong, we have a highly efficient, 6 day postal service but I don't really see the need for it to happen. 5 days would be fine for me at the moment. Dropping Tuesday or some other day of the week besides Saturday and Monday would be fine because then you don't have to go a stretch of 2 days per week without mail.


User currently offlineMoose135 From United States of America, joined Oct 2004, 2342 posts, RR: 10
Reply 10, posted (5 years 8 months 3 weeks 4 days 3 hours ago) and read 2798 times:



Quoting Photopilot (Reply 8):
As to efficiency, Well an efficient business makes money, an inefficient business looses money and depends on Gov't handouts/bailouts/subsidizes.

The US Government hasn't subsidized the USPS since 1982 - it is funded entirely by postage fees.



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User currently offlineArmitageShanks From UK - England, joined Dec 2003, 3630 posts, RR: 15
Reply 11, posted (5 years 8 months 3 weeks 4 days 3 hours ago) and read 2762 times:

The postal service sucks anyway. Their packages are always late and its terrible at fast shipping. Using private companies to send things is so much better than a government entity.

Good riddance is what I say. Teeeee Heeeeeee.


User currently offlineLAXintl From United States of America, joined May 2000, 25719 posts, RR: 50
Reply 12, posted (5 years 8 months 3 weeks 4 days 1 hour ago) and read 2735 times:

As mentioned, the continued proliferation of the internet and efficiency of logistics companies like UPS and Fedex I can certainly understand why mail volume is declining.

Personally I mail maybe 1 item a month, and dont receive much personal mail either. As much as possible things are digital(including publications) and all my bills.

Frankly, I cant wait for the day there is no USPS as it has become a model of nothing but shameful poor government service.



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User currently offlineSeb146 From United States of America, joined Nov 1999, 11718 posts, RR: 15
Reply 13, posted (5 years 8 months 3 weeks 3 days 16 hours ago) and read 2690 times:



Quoting Diamond (Thread starter):
The post office is considering a reduction to a 5-day work week, which would eliminate some or all mail delivery on Saturdays.

I had heard the "slowest" day for USPS is Tuesday. Not delivering on Tuesday would make more sense than not delivering on Saturday. But, breaking up the "down" days would not make sense, either. Given that nearly all of my interaction is on the internet, it seems like a good idea to not deliver on one day.



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User currently offlinePHLBOS From United States of America, joined Mar 2004, 7533 posts, RR: 24
Reply 14, posted (5 years 8 months 3 weeks 3 days 11 hours ago) and read 2658 times:



Quoting LTBEWR (Reply 6):
The USPS has seen for the first time in many years an overall and significant decline in most mail services and expects even less in the future. The use of e-mail and other internet communications, electronic billing and payment instead of getting bills and sending checks, less advertising (junk) mail have all been factors in that decline.
As to suspending a day, there may have to be a number of comprimises as to the designated day. If there is a 3 day - Monday holiday weekend, they you would have to have service on Tuesdays of such weeks. Businesses will not like the lost day as payment checks will be delayed by one more day getting to them. If you get selective by areas not to get 6 day service vs. 5 day, like inner-city areas and some rural areas, then you will get an earfull from the citizens. Of course, the day major government payments by check are expected to be recieved be delivered that day.
To me it is easier just to keep it at 6 days a week.

 checkmark  The 3-day Monday holiday weekend was the first thing that came to mind if Tuesday was indeed going to be the eliminated delivery day. There are presently 5 Mondays that are Federal holidays (MLK Day, President's Day, Memorial Day, Labor Day & Columbus Day). In Massachusetts, there's a 6th Monday holiday called Patriot's Day (3rd Monday in April) which is also when the Boston Marathon is run.

Side note: it seems to me that more often than not, I receive my income tax refund checks in the mail on Saturdays.

Another tid-bit: For those that may not know; once upon a time, the mail was delivered twice a day.



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User currently offlineStarbuk7 From United States of America, joined Apr 2008, 599 posts, RR: 5
Reply 15, posted (5 years 8 months 2 weeks 5 days 11 hours ago) and read 2497 times:

Going to five days a week would be fine by me. I receive and pay most of my bills on line with web bill pay.

I can see why their is less usage of the postal system with Internet bill pay, Internet banking, and the email system there are less letters and bills running through the system, and if they would cut out the junk mail, I wouldn't be receiving that much mail anyway.


User currently offlineLAXintl From United States of America, joined May 2000, 25719 posts, RR: 50
Reply 16, posted (5 years 8 months 6 days 15 hours ago) and read 2235 times:

Well last week USPS announced another 2-cent increase in First Class mail to $0.44 effective May 2009.

Anyone want to bet that 2009 mail volume will be even lower then 2008?

These guys will drive themselves out of business.

[Edited 2009-02-16 09:20:56]


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User currently onlineNIKV69 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 17, posted (5 years 8 months 6 days 14 hours ago) and read 2214 times:



Quoting Diamond (Thread starter):
it still is a grim reminder of the state of things at the moment.

This has nothing to do with the current economic situation. The internet and UPS has been killing the USPS for years now. They have struggled to keep money coming in with jacking up postage by huge amounts last few years. Fact of the matter is with email and other outlets to ship they really need to cut back. This is actually a good first step. Won't effect things much and will save them a ton of money.


User currently offlineFxramper From United States of America, joined Dec 2005, 7307 posts, RR: 85
Reply 18, posted (5 years 8 months 6 days 13 hours ago) and read 2186 times:
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Quoting LAXintl (Reply 16):

The postal guys we've chatted with indicated that if USPS goes to a 5 day delivery, the Tuesday service would be cancelled before Saturday. Tuesday is the lowest volume day of the week for USPS and there is still a premium service offered Saturday.



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User currently offlineN328KF From United States of America, joined May 2004, 6491 posts, RR: 3
Reply 19, posted (5 years 8 months 6 days 12 hours ago) and read 2183 times:



Quoting LAXintl (Reply 16):
Anyone want to bet that 2009 mail volume will be even lower then 2008?

These guys will drive themselves out of business.

What are you talking about? The USPS has raised stamp rates with inflation every 2-3 years for the past few decades.

Furthermore, the USPS has a stated goal of operating in alternating deficit:surplus cycles.



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User currently offlineOA260 From Ireland, joined Nov 2006, 27100 posts, RR: 60
Reply 20, posted (5 years 8 months 6 days 10 hours ago) and read 2150 times:



Quoting LAXintl (Reply 16):
First Class mail to $0.44

Wish it was that cheap here !! You guys dont know when your well off. Just like the Petrol/Gas prices .

Here we have never had a Saturday service. The last Sunday before Christmas we get a special delivery but thats just once a year. Its normally only Mon-Fri and I get my mail around 2pm.


User currently offlineLAXintl From United States of America, joined May 2000, 25719 posts, RR: 50
Reply 21, posted (5 years 8 months 6 days 10 hours ago) and read 2137 times:



Quoting N328KF (Reply 19):
What are you talking about? The USPS has raised stamp rates with inflation every 2-3 years for the past few decades.

Right - the more rates go up, the more incentive for people to move further away from making use of USPS.

A vicious cycle, and not in sync with commercial supply-demand realities.



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User currently offlineCadet57 From United States of America, joined Jul 2005, 9085 posts, RR: 30
Reply 22, posted (5 years 8 months 6 days 9 hours ago) and read 2118 times:



Quoting LAXintl (Reply 21):
Right - the more rates go up, the more incentive for people to move further away from making use of USPS.

Why? When I can pay 44 cents to mail a letter from here to CA, what else are my options? 4-5 bucks for a fed ex envelope? No, the post office isnt going anywhere.



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User currently offlineLAXintl From United States of America, joined May 2000, 25719 posts, RR: 50
Reply 23, posted (5 years 8 months 6 days 8 hours ago) and read 2104 times:



Quoting Cadet57 (Reply 22):
Why?

Because a normal business would not be raising rates into a declining market. One would look at other things such as driving more efficiency out of the operation, reducing cost and even lowering rates hopping to arrest the decline in business.

Anyhow today you have plenty of options instead of a $0.44 letter. Scan documents, email, online bill pay etc. If I mail more then 1 document a month that much.

Quoting Cadet57 (Reply 22):
No, the post office isnt going anywhere.

Even the Postal General see's a grim future. He is estimating 2009 mail volume to be down about 15biliion pieces in addition to the the 9 billion piece decline in 2008.

Just like newspaper business, the postal service is a dying breed. I don't see anything it does that cant be replaced by more efficinetly and cheaper by technology, or private industry.



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User currently onlineNIKV69 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 24, posted (5 years 8 months 6 days 7 hours ago) and read 2083 times:



Quoting Fxramper (Reply 18):
The postal guys we've chatted with indicated that if USPS goes to a 5 day delivery, the Tuesday service would be cancelled before Saturday. Tuesday is the lowest volume day of the week for USPS and there is still a premium service offered Saturday

That is a crappy thing to do to your employees, why not give them two days off in a row instead of a Sunday and then a Tuesday? Besides Tuesday is the lowest volume because of the current system. If you do away with Saturday that will all correct.

Quoting LAXintl (Reply 21):
Right - the more rates go up, the more incentive for people to move further away from making use of USPS.

Not only that but the USPS can't compete with UPS service wise. UPS just kills them. The tracking, service etc of UPS is far superior.


25 N328KF : $0.44 vs. $5.00+. Sometimes, it's not worth the extra money.
26 FlyPNS1 : Do you really think that if the USPS lowered rates it would increase business? Of course not. People are moving to electronic and lower rates won't s
27 LAXintl : Absolutely, and clearly indicated by the petitions for comment USPS received regarding its proposed rate change. Besides you or me dropping a letter
28 57AZ : Cutting the delivery days will not entirely eliminate services such as Priority or Express Mail. You can bet that whatever day gets cut, the Priority
29 N174UA : That's fine - all I get on Tuesdays is junk mail anyway. High volume of junk mail, but junk nonetheless. I agree. Privatize it. If they make it, fine
30 Post contains links FXramper : It's my understanding USPS revenues are stronger from the premium services offered on Saturday. FX handles the majority of USPS priority and 1st clas
31 StasisLAX : I get email delivered direct to my laptop 24/7/365 - it's encrypted and secure. I have absolutely no need for snail-mail delivered through the USPS,
32 MD-90 : Eliminate the USPS' monopoly on first class mail. Eliminate the USPS monopoly on mailbox access. It wouldn't surprise me if in ten years you could sig
33 Cusaeng : You can deliver your letters your self. let us know how far you get on your $0.44 Train ticket
34 FlyPNS1 : But if you look over time, the rate increases that USPS has pushed through are in line with long-term inflation and in line with the rate increases p
35 LAXintl : I do it for a lot less than $0.44. As I mentioned previously, if I happen to send one letter a month, that is much. Nearly 100% of my correspondence,
36 Cadet57 : You pay for internet, dont you?
37 FlyPNS1 : But this isn't a conventional 101 situation. USPS is losing customers due to a technological shift that has destroyed their business model. USPS coul
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