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Nancy Pelosi And This "stimulus"  
User currently offlineMOBflyer From United States of America, joined Sep 2007, 1209 posts, RR: 4
Posted (5 years 7 months 2 weeks 8 hours ago) and read 2924 times:

Apparently, 500 million of the 140 million American jobs are at risk if this joke of a "stimulus plan" doesn't pass quickly:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=x8hMJVXt09E&feature=related

And also - millions for family planning and birth control are legitimate expenditures in the name of stimulating the economy:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=omxQuDtF1ZM&NR=1

Give me a break people! This lady is a liberal wack-job - who now has a friend in the White House. This is what we have to face for the next two years!

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User currently offlineNIKV69 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 1, posted (5 years 7 months 2 weeks 7 hours ago) and read 2909 times:



Quoting MOBflyer (Thread starter):
Give me a break people! This lady is a liberal wack-job

You just figured that out now?

Quoting MOBflyer (Thread starter):
who now has a friend in the White House.

Hmmm, not so sure about that.

Quoting MOBflyer (Thread starter):
This is what we have to face for the next two years!

Patience grasshopper, just let the DNC hang themselves. They are off to a good start.


User currently offlineMOBflyer From United States of America, joined Sep 2007, 1209 posts, RR: 4
Reply 2, posted (5 years 7 months 2 weeks 7 hours ago) and read 2899 times:



Quoting NIKV69 (Reply 1):
You just figured that out now?

I've known it, but I have never had such blatent evidence of complete mental retardation.

Quoting NIKV69 (Reply 1):
Hmmm, not so sure about that.

They are much friendlier with each other than W and Pelosi were. Moreso than having a friend though - her party has control of both chambers and the executive branch.

I'm further right than left (in case you couldn't tell) but I do believe that divided government is best government over all.


User currently offlinePPVRA From Brazil, joined Nov 2004, 8964 posts, RR: 39
Reply 3, posted (5 years 7 months 2 weeks 6 hours ago) and read 2891 times:



Quoting MOBflyer (Thread starter):
This lady is a liberal wack-job

Let's try to build some consensus and not use the typical labels. . . call her a wackjob, but no more labels. I'm sure there are plenty of democrats scratching their heads with at least some of the things being said by their own representatives.



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User currently offlineNIKV69 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 4, posted (5 years 7 months 2 weeks 6 hours ago) and read 2889 times:



Quoting MOBflyer (Reply 2):
I'm further right than left (in case you couldn't tell) but I do believe that divided government is best government over all.

Oh your sig let that cat out of the bag right quick.  biggrin 

Quoting MOBflyer (Reply 2):
I've known it, but I have never had such blatent evidence of complete mental retardation.

You been listening to Michael Savage I believe he used something close to that term the other night to describe liberalism.


User currently offlineDreadnought From United States of America, joined Feb 2008, 8840 posts, RR: 24
Reply 5, posted (5 years 7 months 2 weeks 5 hours ago) and read 2841 times:



Quoting MOBflyer (Thread starter):
Apparently, 500 million of the 140 million American jobs are at risk if this joke of a "stimulus plan" doesn't pass quickly:

Years ago, a congressman said "A billion here, a billion there, pretty soon you are talking about real money." I think that we can swap out the word "billion" for "trillion" now.

This is what scares me. Her scales have gone up by a factor of a thousand, but so have the public's. Remember Clinton's huge stimulus bill in 1993? It was $35 billion. The suppliment Bush asked for in 2003 to pay for the war, and over which there was great wailing and gnashing of teeth? $70 billion. We just spent $700 billion a few months ago, and now we are looking at nearly a trillion more, and Democrats are still saying "it needs to be bigger". The $819 billion boondoggle that came out of the House has now grown by $100 billion.

I applaud the House GOP for standing firm, and hope the Senate will do the same. A proper stimulus bill should ONLY contain things that can be spent/completed within 6-12 months, and must not require future commitments (i.e. no new programs - they belong in seperate, more usual bills). Do that (at about 25% of the cost) and I won't mind the GOP signing on.



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User currently offlineMham001 From United States of America, joined Feb 2005, 3643 posts, RR: 5
Reply 6, posted (5 years 7 months 2 weeks 4 hours ago) and read 2835 times:

Actually Obama pretty much snubbed Pelosi when he said the bill needs work. She has to be fuming right now as thin skinned as she is.

User currently offlineLAXintl From United States of America, joined May 2000, 25358 posts, RR: 49
Reply 7, posted (5 years 7 months 2 weeks ago) and read 2739 times:



Quoting MOBflyer (Thread starter):
Give me a break people! This lady is a liberal wack-job - who now has a friend in the White House.

Ya her an her genius buddy Harry Reid.

As a California resident I apologize for sending her to Washington.



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User currently offlineNIKV69 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 8, posted (5 years 7 months 1 week 6 days 18 hours ago) and read 2711 times:



Quoting LAXintl (Reply 15):
As a California resident I apologize for sending her to Washington.

No need to, many know that SFO isn't even close to how CA is as whole state. I do feel for you to have to say you are from her state but don't worry her time is coming.


User currently offlineMayor From United States of America, joined Mar 2008, 10425 posts, RR: 14
Reply 9, posted (5 years 7 months 1 week 5 days 14 hours ago) and read 2523 times:

Wasn't it Pelosi that wanted to start taxing Social Security benefits and using it to help the illegal aliens in this country?

I can see the headlines, now........."Speaker of the House beaten by Mob of Geratrics!"  Wink



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User currently offlineLuckyone From United States of America, joined Aug 2008, 2172 posts, RR: 0
Reply 10, posted (5 years 7 months 1 week 4 days 6 hours ago) and read 2453 times:



Quoting MOBflyer (Reply 2):
her party has control of both chambers

While they have a majority in both houses, they do not have a filibuster-proof Senate, a very good thing regardless of who's in office, so I don't know if I would call it complete control.  Smile


User currently offlineMayor From United States of America, joined Mar 2008, 10425 posts, RR: 14
Reply 11, posted (5 years 7 months 1 week 1 day 4 hours ago) and read 2353 times:

Actually, I think the only "stimulus" that Speaker Pelosi needs is electro-shock therapy.


"A committee is a group of the unprepared, appointed by the unwilling, to do the unnecessary"----Fred Allen
User currently offlineWindy95 From United States of America, joined Dec 2008, 2724 posts, RR: 8
Reply 12, posted (5 years 7 months 1 week 1 day 3 hours ago) and read 2335 times:



Quoting Mham001 (Reply 6):
Actually Obama pretty much snubbed Pelosi when he said the bill needs work. She has to be fuming right now as thin skinned as she is.

But he did say it was his package a few times. Pelosi and Reid are the ones who made this and someday Obama is going to wish he is not linked to these two.



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User currently offlineWunalaYann From Australia, joined Mar 2005, 2839 posts, RR: 25
Reply 13, posted (5 years 7 months 1 week 1 day 1 hour ago) and read 2309 times:



Quoting PPVRA (Reply 3):
Let's try to build some consensus and not use the typical labels. . . call her a wackjob, but no more labels.

Thank you for a breath of fresh air!

Again, The Economist agrees with you and provides a long-overdue perspective on the use of the term "liberal".

 Smile

Now if we can move on from the name-calling and focus on the issues... Oh wait, no chance of that, this is A.net after all...  Sad


User currently offlineBaroque From Australia, joined Apr 2006, 15380 posts, RR: 59
Reply 14, posted (5 years 7 months 1 week 18 hours ago) and read 2254 times:

Presumably as N P is all sorts of bad things there is nothing to this graph?

http://speaker.gov/img/jobsrecessionsSM.jpg

This chart compares the job loss so far in this recession to job losses in the 1990-1991 recession and the 2001 recession – showing how dramatic and unprecedented the job loss over the last 13 months has been. Over the last 13 months, our economy has lost a total of 3.6 million jobs – and continuing job losses in the next few months are predicted.

By comparison, we lost a total of 1.6 million jobs in the 1990-1991 recession, before the economy began turning around and jobs began increasing; and we lost a total of 2.7 million jobs in the 2001 recession, before the economy began turning around and jobs began increasing.


Just as well she is a "a liberal wack-job" or that would be serious.


User currently offlineElite From Hong Kong, joined Jun 2006, 2798 posts, RR: 10
Reply 15, posted (5 years 7 months 1 week 18 hours ago) and read 2250 times:



Quoting MOBflyer (Reply 2):
I'm further right than left (in case you couldn't tell) but I do believe that divided government is best government over all.

From what I have learned, it is just a myth that people believe divided government functions better than unified government. There are conservative Democrats and liberal Republicans, and history can show that Presidents with a unified government don't find it any easier, while some Presidents with a divided government have an easier time with Congress.


User currently offlineMOBflyer From United States of America, joined Sep 2007, 1209 posts, RR: 4
Reply 16, posted (5 years 7 months 1 week 18 hours ago) and read 2246 times:



Quoting Baroque (Reply 16):
Just as well she is a "a liberal wack-job" or that would be serious.

No one said the recession is not serious. But that very chart shows us how much of an idiot she is: it says we've lost $3.5 million jobs so far.... thats 0.7% of the amount she said we stand to lose, despite the fact that we have only 300 million americans, and far fewer jobs than that.....

but yeah, a loss of 500 milion jobs, that possible  Sad

So I say it again: Nancy Pelosi is a fear mongering liberal wack job!


User currently offlineCairo From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 17, posted (5 years 7 months 1 week 16 hours ago) and read 2220 times:



Quoting MOBflyer (Thread starter):
This lady is a liberal wack-job - who now has a friend in the White House.



Quoting PPVRA (Reply 3):
but no more labels.

Labels and the team identity / sports team mentality are only convenient for those who don't want to think too much. Many people will vote for their favorite political party and attack the other party year in and year out because it is easier than thinking.

If the Republicans had won in 2008, they would be working on a stimulus bill, and all the same arguments from each side we hear today we would still be hearing - except out of the opposite political mouths.

Quoting Luckyone (Reply 10):
they do not have a filibuster-proof Senate,

The Senate is vastly un-Democratic and should be eliminated or severely reformed.

Mighty North Dakota with its 600k residents has equal say to California with 37,000,000 residents = meaning ND has 60 times the representation in the Senate on a per-constitutent basis as California.

Of course, this arrangement favors rural America with few large cities = Republicans.

Quoting MOBflyer (Reply 18):
So I say it again: Nancy Pelosi is a fear mongering liberal wack job!

I agree that they have no clue as to whether this will work or not, this is just a big guess on their part - but since all they care about is keeping their jobs they do have some incentive to make it work.

Interesting you should call her fear mongering because now maybe it gives you a sense of what your political opposites felt about Bush and Cheney's constant attempts to instill the fear of terror, "radical Muslims", etc...

Cairo


User currently offlineJ_Hallgren From United States of America, joined Jun 2000, 1507 posts, RR: 0
Reply 18, posted (5 years 7 months 1 week 14 hours ago) and read 2172 times:



Quoting MOBflyer (Reply 18):
The Senate is vastly un-Democratic and should be eliminated or severely reformed.

Mighty North Dakota with its 600k residents has equal say to California with 37,000,000 residents = meaning ND has 60 times the representation in the Senate on a per-constitutent basis as California.

Of course, this arrangement favors rural America with few large cities = Republicans.

Eliminate/reformed? No, in fact that's exactly the reason why the Senate exists! To provide a check/balance to the House! They are based on population and Senate is based on each state having same input...remember that USA is NOT a democracy, but a representative republic so there is a big difference, and the system works quite well...besides if if favors Repub's, why are the Dem's now in total control? Huh?



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User currently offlineWunalaYann From Australia, joined Mar 2005, 2839 posts, RR: 25
Reply 19, posted (5 years 7 months 1 week 9 hours ago) and read 2127 times:



Quoting J_Hallgren (Reply 21):
remember that USA is NOT a democracy, but a representative republic so there is a big difference

Indeed. Which kind of flies in the face of the previous administration's alleged desire to spread "democracy" in the Middle East...  Smile


User currently offlineMt99 From United States of America, joined May 1999, 6594 posts, RR: 6
Reply 20, posted (5 years 7 months 1 week 9 hours ago) and read 2126 times:
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Quoting Dreadnought (Reply 5):
I applaud the House GOP for standing firm,

Give me a break. Politically opposing this is the best thing the GOP can do. I bet even if it would get Rush Limbaugh's blessing the GOP would still find it politically beneficial to oppose it why?

1. If it fails to live to expectations: Which will undoubtedly happen ( i mean seriously, who is ever 100% happy with anything?) They have ammo for the future.

2. If it helps somewhat: They can claim it was because of the changes that they fought so hard for...

They is no political loss for the GOP to oppose it. They would be stupid.. Well they were a bit, when they praised Obama for meeting with them earlier.

Quoting Dreadnought (Reply 5):
The suppliment Bush asked for in 2003 to pay for the war, and over which there was great wailing and gnashing of teeth? $70 billion.

And how much has that $70 billion turned into?



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User currently offlineCairo From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 21, posted (5 years 7 months 1 week 5 hours ago) and read 2083 times:



Quoting J_Hallgren (Reply 21):
They are based on population and Senate is based on each state having same input

Wow, thanks for the civics lesson - but do you think maybe we can raise the discussion beyond what is taught to 3rd graders?

Quoting J_Hallgren (Reply 21):
besides if if favors Repub's, why are the Dem's now in total control? Huh?

Because even though the Senate favors Republicans by giving 2 senators to each state, Republicans are so unpopular that even this advantage is not enough to get them a majority.

The Republicans won NO major city in 2008, not even those in red states like Texas...the only places Republicans win is in rural areas with no cities = the unpopulated middle and western states like the Dakotas whose 2 senators are a freakish insult to Californians, Texans and New Yorkers and a joke to a nation loudly proclaiming its democracy to the world...

Cairo


User currently offlineFL787 From United States of America, joined Aug 2007, 1541 posts, RR: 12
Reply 22, posted (5 years 7 months 1 week 5 hours ago) and read 2080 times:



Quoting Cairo (Reply 24):
The Republicans won NO major city in 2008, not even those in red states like Texas...the only places Republicans win is in rural areas with no cities = the unpopulated middle and western states like the Dakotas whose 2 senators are a freakish insult to Californians, Texans and New Yorkers and a joke to a nation loudly proclaiming its democracy to the world...

Last I checked if the major cities outnumbered the suburbs and rural cities a democrat would have won. But the cities aren't a majority so it sounds like democracy to me.



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User currently offlineCairo From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 23, posted (5 years 7 months 1 week 3 hours ago) and read 2014 times:

Boeing, while it would be fun to address every thing you say, can you help me with one thing first? What exactly is it about a US Senate elected by popular vote that scares you? What is so bad that you fear would happen?

Cairo


User currently offlineBoeing4ever From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 24, posted (5 years 7 months 1 week 2 hours ago) and read 1991 times:



Quoting Cairo (Reply 30):
Boeing, while it would be fun to address every thing you say, can you help me with one thing first? What exactly is it about a US Senate elected by popular vote that scares you? What is so bad that you fear would happen?

Gee, I don't know...how about that we already have that in the House of Representatives. How about the loss of the check and balances built in by our Founding Fathers with the main purpose of preventing clusters of population from dominating the whole political landscape with those outside those population centers consistently under-represented.

I have no problems with Senators being elected by popular vote...as that is how you phrased your question. The the Senate was designed so all 50 states had two senators. If you want a legislative house that assigns representatives based on population, you have the House of Representatives.

With both of these houses in existence, you cannot claim the existance of either a tyranny of the majority, or of the minority. That was the whole purpose of a bicameral legislature.

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25 Cairo : Boeing, around 80% of America lives in the cities and this is growing. Let's say it gets to 95 or even 99.99% of the population living in the cities,
26 Boeing4ever : How many times am I going to have to repeat this? The House of Representatives already covers this. I'm sorry, but the Senate is fair. And that's tha
27 Baroque : I got caught up in the white screen of death syndrome trying to reply, but nevertheless: I don't suppose that a loss of 500 million jobs is possible.
28 Dreadnought : Actually, the number is closer to 58%, counting cities of greater than 200K population. You can't compare living in Bismark SD with New York. The pro
29 Luckyone : The Senate was devised as a balance to the House of Reps. to ensure that small states did not get trampled by big states. It's a way to ensure that p
30 Mayor : Oooh, another Republican conspiracy, huh? Ya know, it's not like there WERE political parties in this country when the constitution was written, let
31 Post contains links Cairo : I use US census to determine rural v. urban - it's about 80% urban. Yes, you can compare smaller cities with New York - because they generally vote s
32 Luckyone : No, we are saying that they should be coutned as equal and the Senate is a measure to ensure that. And the United States is NOT a democracy. The Unit
33 Cairo : The needless pedantic recitation of things you learned at the lowest level of school is really irrelevant, and it doesn't matter how many times you r
34 Mayor : You keep saying that, but how are they "undemocratically elected" if they are elected by popular vote? Not really, because I'm an independent. You on
35 Mayor : So did the majority of our politicians. Your continued replies on here could possibly label you as an elitist. You find something in the democracy th
36 Cairo : Fundamentally a democracy gives equal voting power to every citizen - the Senate is undemocratically elected because 600k voters in North Dakota get
37 Cairo : EXACTLY! Proves my point perfectly. See how narrow the election is... if true democracy were brought to the Senate you would have nothing to fear, it
38 MOBflyer : The legislative branch's two bodies, the House of Representitives and the Senate, are of different contsitiuencies. The House of Represenatives, as i
39 Mayor : I think what you mean is "undemocratically REPRESENTED", not elected. The elections are decided by popular vote, within their districts and within th
40 Cairo : Why is an non-living thing respresented in government? As I think Boeing pointed out, the view of your kind is that even a state with one person, or
41 Seb146 : Not really. Take Oregon, since that is the state I live in. We have 5 representatives and two Senators. Greg Walden represents eastern and central Or
42 Luckyone : No, they don't, because we have the.... drumroll please..... HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES. The root word "represent" is even in the title! Some of the st
43 Cairo : Everyone is equally represented in the house of representatives, right? Everyone is not equally represented in the Senate - rural voters are much mor
44 MOBflyer : Actually, its 684,280. Which is right in line with the target of 646,952. There are 3.8 million people in Oregon. While his area is the least densely
45 Luckyone : No doubt you're aware a half and a half make one. No doubt you're also aware that the other half and a half make one, so the score is tied at one, wh
46 Seb146 : Okay... I didn't think Bend/Redmond was included in his district. But, look at what is "urban" and what is "rural." Urban on that side of the mountai
47 Baroque : Er tell me, was this thread about the stimulus or is stimulus a code for the way the Senators are elected? Interesting that some are suggesting that c
48 Par13del : Thread changed topic, but a good one any way, so I'll add my take. The Senate was created to ensure the union which became the United States of Americ
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