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Compromise Stimulus Bill Reached.... $780billion  
User currently offlineTugger From United States of America, joined Apr 2006, 5675 posts, RR: 10
Posted (5 years 8 months 2 weeks 5 days 20 hours ago) and read 3264 times:

Though this is still tentative as various parties still have to agree to it , it appears that compromise was able to be achieved. And one that is significantly lower than the $900+billion that had been expected/feared.

Quote:
Democratic and Republican senators have reached a tentative agreement for a $780 billion stimulus package, according to two Democratic sources and a GOP negotiator.

http://www.cnn.com/2009/POLITICS/02/06/stimulus/index.html

There is a lot more to come of this story obviously but this is good news if it holds (obviously depending on what is actually in the bill but then I am counting on key Republicans and certain Democrats to make sure it is.... OK it doesn't sound good does it?  Silly ).

Tugg


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User currently offlineDXing From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 1, posted (5 years 8 months 2 weeks 5 days 19 hours ago) and read 3256 times:

Sounds to me like Voinivich just gave up. I don't see in the story where he plans to vote for anything. Meanwhile:

"This is not some abstract debate. It is an urgent and growing crisis," President Obama said at a White House ceremony unveiling a new economic advisory board. "If we drag our feet and fail to act, this crisis will turn into a catastrophe."

Can someone explain to me how if we don't get a bill this weekend it's going to make a wit of difference? If a bill is passed tonight, which it won't, will the umemployment numbers magically fall in March? I'd rather take a few weeks and get it right than rush through something like they did the TARP bill and end up with a mess. I hope the GOP Senators stand as firm as their House conterparts did in saying we won't pass something full of pork and promises just to say we did something.


User currently offlineDreadnought From United States of America, joined Feb 2008, 8866 posts, RR: 24
Reply 2, posted (5 years 8 months 2 weeks 5 days 19 hours ago) and read 3231 times:

Still too big and pork-laden. This entire bill should contain only things that can be completed within 1 year, plus tax relief. The total should not be more than about $400 million. If in jan-2010 there is justification for more short- term stimulus, it can be discussed then.

The GOP should stick to it's guns and oppose this boondoggle.



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User currently offlineMham001 From United States of America, joined Feb 2005, 3681 posts, RR: 3
Reply 3, posted (5 years 8 months 2 weeks 5 days 18 hours ago) and read 3219 times:

Yes, Im sure we will continue to hear that it must be passed TODAY or the sky will fall. Obama loses all credibility with that one. Nothing wrong with letting everybody read it and think about it over the weekend...unless its really about ramming their pet projects through under the guise of "creating jobs".

Rushing is exactly what happened the last time (thanks pelosi) and nobody thought to make a provision that the banks would have to account for the money. No more stupid mistakes like that one.


User currently offlineNIKV69 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 4, posted (5 years 8 months 2 weeks 5 days 17 hours ago) and read 3202 times:



Quoting DXing (Reply 1):
Can someone explain to me how if we don't get a bill this weekend it's going to make a wit of difference? If a bill is passed tonight

Even if the vote passes it doesn't go to Obama yet. It goes to committee and then back to the house and then through the senate again.

Quoting DXing (Reply 1):
will the umemployment numbers magically fall in March? I'd rather take a few weeks and get it right than rush through something like they did the TARP bill and end up with a mess. I hope the GOP Senators stand as firm as their House conterparts did in saying we won't pass something full of pork and promises just to say we did something.

Well said, This bill IMO will slightly help if help at all. The real difference is getting the original TARP money that was given to the banks to begin to be lent again and of course for Obama to shut his mouth. What he has done with his scare mongering has been deplorable and very unpresidential to say the least. I am glad Lindsey Graham called him out viciously yesterday and he was spot on. Obama didn't lead through this process, he attempted to scare. At this point I would have rather elected Ben Stein to the white house because he seems to have a better grasp on the economy than Obama does. OH WAIT did you see his newest economic adviser? That idiot from GE, yea he has done wonders with that company lately and does business with Iran. Stand up guy. Good lord all of you that voted for Obama will be held to task if he continues along the path he has so far because it is totally embarassing and is not going to improve us here or abroad I can tell you that.

Quoting Dreadnought (Reply 2):
Still too big and pork-laden. This entire bill should contain only things that can be completed within 1 year, plus tax relief. The total should not be more than about $400 million. If in jan-2010 there is justification for more short- term stimulus, it can be discussed then.

The GOP should stick to it's guns and oppose this boondoggle.

Yea I know but they are dragging Ted out of bed and that left leaning Republican from Maine and the other one will vote for it so it may be moot now.

Quoting Mham001 (Reply 3):
Yes, Im sure we will continue to hear that it must be passed TODAY or the sky will fall. Obama loses all credibility with that one. Nothing wrong with letting everybody read it and think about it over the weekend...unless its really about ramming their pet projects through under the guise of "creating jobs

Obama is losing much more credibility, didn't he say no more lobbyists? Well this gem from GE who is a new advisor is a huge lobbyist. Well done Obama, change we can believe in. As long as it doesn't have to be put into practice.


User currently offlineKC135TopBoom From United States of America, joined Jan 2005, 12158 posts, RR: 51
Reply 5, posted (5 years 8 months 2 weeks 5 days 17 hours ago) and read 3181 times:

With this bill pared down to "only" $780B, we are still screwed. The news media (Fox News on right now) is saying this bill has 40% of it as "tax cuts". But, no one can say what those tax cuts are. The other 60% of the bill is spending.

Congress has yet to tell us how they plan to pay for this bill. Will they borrow more money from China, Saudia Arabia, and Japan? At what interest rate? Just on this bill, a 4% interest is $31.2B per year. What does that do to the loan interest rate for the rest of us (that is if we can get loans)? Are they simply going to print the money? That will really devalue the dollar even more, and cause inflation, which we cannot afford right now.

Quoting Mham001 (Reply 3):
Rushing is exactly what happened the last time (thanks pelosi) and nobody thought to make a provision that the banks would have to account for the money. No more stupid mistakes like that one.

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Quoting Dreadnought (Reply 2):
Still too big and pork-laden. This entire bill should contain only things that can be completed within 1 year, plus tax relief.



Quoting Dreadnought (Reply 2):
The GOP should stick to it's guns and oppose this boondoggle.

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User currently offlineVonRichtofen From Canada, joined Nov 2000, 4629 posts, RR: 36
Reply 6, posted (5 years 8 months 2 weeks 5 days 10 hours ago) and read 3118 times:

I wonder if the "buy American" clause is still in it. If it is and it passes we could a NAFTA trade war.


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User currently offlineElite From Hong Kong, joined Jun 2006, 2872 posts, RR: 10
Reply 7, posted (5 years 8 months 2 weeks 5 days 10 hours ago) and read 3113 times:

$88 million for building Milwaukee public schools, when attendance has been dropping solidly and 15 schools are currently vacant. The true definition of pork-barrel legislation.

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn...le/2009/02/05/AR2009020502766.html


User currently offlineN328KF From United States of America, joined May 2004, 6491 posts, RR: 3
Reply 8, posted (5 years 8 months 2 weeks 5 days 8 hours ago) and read 3099 times:

Looks like some traitors gave in and switched sides on the bill. I liked the McCain version.


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User currently offlineWindy95 From United States of America, joined Dec 2008, 2739 posts, RR: 8
Reply 9, posted (5 years 8 months 2 weeks 5 days 6 hours ago) and read 3066 times:



Quoting VonRichtofen (Reply 6):
I wonder if the "buy American" clause is still in it. If it is and it passes we could a NAFTA trade war.

From what I have read there will not be anything that affects any current trade agreement.

Quoting NIKV69 (Reply 4):
Obama is losing much more credibility, didn't he say no more lobbyists? Well this gem from GE who is a new advisor is a huge lobbyist. Well done Obama, change we can believe in. As long as it doesn't have to be put into practice.

His daily doom and gloom speeches are becoming very annoying. And as for his transparency well the long line of lobbyist and tax cheats coming in the front door is very disapointing.



OMG-Obama Must Go
User currently offlineElite From Hong Kong, joined Jun 2006, 2872 posts, RR: 10
Reply 10, posted (5 years 8 months 2 weeks 5 days 5 hours ago) and read 3063 times:



Quoting N328KF (Reply 8):
Looks like some traitors gave in and switched sides on the bill.

11 House Democrats opposed the bill since the first vote, I believe.


User currently offlineDXing From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 11, posted (5 years 8 months 2 weeks 5 days 3 hours ago) and read 3042 times:



Quoting N328KF (Reply 8):
Looks like some traitors gave in and switched sides on the bill. I liked the McCain version.

The same 3 that always eventually do on financial matters. They still have a chance to redeem themselves and vote no on the full vote.


User currently offlineMadameConcorde From San Marino, joined Feb 2007, 10905 posts, RR: 37
Reply 12, posted (5 years 8 months 2 weeks 5 days 2 hours ago) and read 3027 times:

Holy cow!
Where the heck are they going to find the money for this new "stimulus package"?
Are they going to ask the Fed to run the $$$$$ printing machines?
How many years will it take the US tax payers to pay it all back, this one plus the others, plus the "stimulus packages" to come...

Not everyone agrees that this is the right way to go.

http://finance.yahoo.com/tech-ticker...rs=^dji,^gspc,QQQQ,SPY,DIA,TLT,UDN

Peter Schiff: Stimulus Bill Will Lead to "Unmitigated Disaster"

The fiscal stimulus bill being debated in Congress not only won't help the economy, it will make the recession much worse, says Peter Schiff, president of Euro Pacific Capital.

Schiff scoffs at the notion the economic decline is starting to level off and concedes no government action means a "terrible" recession. But the path of increased government intervention will lead to "unmitigated disaster," says Schiff, who gained notoriety in 2007-08 for his prescient calls on the housing bubble and U.S. stocks.

 Yeah sure



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User currently offlineNIKV69 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 13, posted (5 years 8 months 2 weeks 5 days 1 hour ago) and read 3015 times:



Quoting Elite (Reply 10):
11 House Democrats opposed the bill since the first vote, I believe.

I was almost floored when Feinsten got up there and said she was very unhappy with it. That was amazing.

Quoting Windy95 (Reply 9):
His daily doom and gloom speeches are becoming very annoying. And as for his transparency well the long line of lobbyist and tax cheats coming in the front door is very disapointing

Got to tell you I am still shocked he brought that loon from GE on board. I wouldn't let that guy balance my checkbook and he is a huge lobbyist. I guess Obama gives his voters very little credit because he is taking them for fools. He pounded the word "change" into the ground and into their brainwashed heads and he is just doing the polar opposite in practice. Sad.

Quoting MadameConcorde (Reply 12):
Not everyone agrees that this is the right way to go.

Many think this is a mistake, Ben Stein too.

Quoting MadameConcorde (Reply 12):
Schiff scoffs at the notion the economic decline is starting to level off and concedes no government action means a "terrible" recession. But the path of increased government intervention will lead to "unmitigated disaster," says Schiff, who gained notoriety in 2007-08 for his prescient calls on the housing bubble and U.S. stocks.

A big part of the problem is Obama. He has to stop scaring the shit out of people. Confidence is a huge part of this and if shuts his mouth and gets these banks who screwed us by taking the TARP money and sitting on it to begin lending across the board it will get people buying, businesses operating. Then by slashing taxes accross the board we would begin to improve. I am shocked he has put all his chips in two weeks into his presidency and if this goes bad he can plan on going back to Illinois to hang out with Blago.


User currently offlineMadameConcorde From San Marino, joined Feb 2007, 10905 posts, RR: 37
Reply 14, posted (5 years 8 months 2 weeks 5 days 1 hour ago) and read 3006 times:



Quoting NIKV69 (Reply 13):
A big part of the problem is Obama.

I thought he was seen as the new Messiah who would bring solutions to all of the current problems in the US?

He sure had a huge crowd of worshippers at his inauguration.



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User currently offlineMariner From New Zealand, joined Nov 2001, 25419 posts, RR: 86
Reply 15, posted (5 years 8 months 2 weeks 5 days ago) and read 3002 times:
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If I were a Republican House member, I'd start hedging my bets.

If - as seems likely - the bill goes through, it isn't going to be pretty if that House member has to go back to his district, tell them it is all pork - but that they're not getting any.

I'd start acting a bit bipartisan, if I were a Republican House member, and fight for as much as I could get for my district.

What goes around comes around.

Quoting MadameConcorde (Reply 14):
I thought he was seen as the new Messiah who would bring solutions to all of the current problems in the US?

Obviously, you haven't listened to him.

mariner



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User currently offlineMadameConcorde From San Marino, joined Feb 2007, 10905 posts, RR: 37
Reply 16, posted (5 years 8 months 2 weeks 5 days ago) and read 2998 times:



Quoting Mariner (Reply 15):
Quoting MadameConcorde (Reply 14):
I thought he was seen as the new Messiah who would bring solutions to all of the current problems in the US?

Obviously, you haven't listened to him.

Well... Mr President Obama better not start doing the wrong things right when he begins his term. Then we will be left to wonder what the rest of his 4 years term will be like... especially with all the important issues that are awaiting him whether about the U.S. and global scale.  Confused



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User currently offlineMariner From New Zealand, joined Nov 2001, 25419 posts, RR: 86
Reply 17, posted (5 years 8 months 2 weeks 5 days ago) and read 2993 times:
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Quoting MadameConcorde (Reply 16):
Well... Mr President Obama better not start doing the wrong things right when he begins his term.

That's quite different from calling him, sneeringly, a "messiah" - and I don't see tnat's he's done too much wrong.

 confused 

mariner



aeternum nauta
User currently offlineDXing From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 18, posted (5 years 8 months 2 weeks 4 days 21 hours ago) and read 2962 times:



Quoting Mariner (Reply 15):
If - as seems likely - the bill goes through, it isn't going to be pretty if that House member has to go back to his district, tell them it is all pork - but that they're not getting any.

I'd rather get nothing than support this piece of socialism.

Quoting Mariner (Reply 15):
I'd start acting a bit bipartisan,

At last count there were now 49 democrats in the House that don't like the Senate version of the bill since it is even more expensive than the one they passed!

Quoting Mariner (Reply 17):
and I don't see tnat's he's done too much wrong.

I don't see that he's done much of anything other than play Larry the cable guy and siit down at 1600 yelling "Get Er Done"!!!! He certainly hasn't provided any sort of leadership nor been an intergral part of the negotiations. So far it's been the politics of the old where the President lets the old bulls on the hill dictate what will be in the bill and what won't.


User currently offlineMariner From New Zealand, joined Nov 2001, 25419 posts, RR: 86
Reply 19, posted (5 years 8 months 2 weeks 4 days 20 hours ago) and read 2944 times:
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Quoting DXing (Reply 18):
I'd rather get nothing than support this piece of socialism.

Your choice. I can't imagine that some of the newly unemployed are as ideologically pure as you, but anything's possible.

Quoting DXing (Reply 18):
At last count there were now 49 democrats in the House that don't like the Senate version of the bill since it is even more expensive than the one they passed!

That isn't why they don't like it.

Quoting DXing (Reply 18):
don't see that he's done much of anything other than play Larry the cable guy and siit down at 1600 yelling "Get Er Done"!!!!

I am not falling over in shock that you think that.

mariner



aeternum nauta
User currently offlineKC135TopBoom From United States of America, joined Jan 2005, 12158 posts, RR: 51
Reply 20, posted (5 years 8 months 2 weeks 4 days 20 hours ago) and read 2943 times:



Quoting NIKV69 (Reply 13):
I guess Obama gives his voters very little credit because he is taking them for fools. He pounded the word "change" into the ground and into their brainwashed heads and he is just doing the polar opposite in practice.

We are getting changed, that is for sure. Even McCain isn't looking so bad now......

Quoting MadameConcorde (Reply 12):
Not everyone agrees that this is the right way to go.



Quoting NIKV69 (Reply 13):
Many think this is a mistake, Ben Stein too.



Quoting NIKV69 (Reply 13):
if this goes bad he can plan on going back to Illinois to hang out with Blago.

Even the US Government thinks this stimulus bill is a big mistake. The Congressional Budget Office (CBO) estimates this senate plan could reduce the GDP by 0.1% to 0.3% by 2019. The house version of the bill would be about the same amount.

http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/...a-stimulus-harmful-over-long-haul/

Quoting Mariner (Reply 15):
Quoting MadameConcorde (Reply 14):
I thought he was seen as the new Messiah who would bring solutions to all of the current problems in the US?

Obviously, you haven't listened to him.

Yes we can (have).

Quoting Mariner (Reply 17):
I don't see tnat's he's done too much wrong.

Looking at the US from NZ, you wouldn't see to much. Try watching from Texas. It is eye opening.

Quoting Mariner (Reply 15):
If I were a Republican House member, I'd start hedging my bets.

If - as seems likely - the bill goes through, it isn't going to be pretty if that House member has to go back to his district, tell them it is all pork - but that they're not getting any.

I'd start acting a bit bipartisan, if I were a Republican House member, and fight for as much as I could get for my district.

Obviously you don't know much about US politics. Republicans are mostly conservitives, and work for reduced taxes for their districts. It is usually the Democrats that bring the new post office building to their district.


User currently offlineMariner From New Zealand, joined Nov 2001, 25419 posts, RR: 86
Reply 21, posted (5 years 8 months 2 weeks 4 days 19 hours ago) and read 2938 times:
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Quoting KC135TopBoom (Reply 20):
Even McCain isn't looking so bad now......

I'll be very interested to see if he ever explains his flip-flop on, say, rural broadband.

Quoting KC135TopBoom (Reply 20):
Looking at the US from NZ, you wouldn't see to much. Try watching from Texas. It is eye opening.

I am always amused by that assumption. Every dime I earn, I earn in the US. Every dime of tax I pay, I pay in the US.

Quoting KC135TopBoom (Reply 20):
Obviously you don't know much about US politics. Republicans are mostly conservitives, and work for reduced taxes for their districts. It is usually the Democrats that bring the new post office building to their district.

I'm not the one who suggested the idea, but a rather respected (at least by many) political commentator in the United States.

But are you suggesting that Republican Congress people have never brought home the pork?

 confused 

mariner



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User currently offlineDXing From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 22, posted (5 years 8 months 2 weeks 4 days 18 hours ago) and read 2932 times:



Quoting Mariner (Reply 19):
I can't imagine that some of the newly unemployed are as ideologically pure as you, but anything's possible.

Depending on where you live, a part time job most likely would earn you more than an unemployment check for an average income. I don't know that I would want to trust my vehicle and my life to a bridge that had either been built, or repaired, by an unemployed financial sector person with no previous construction experience. At least the several million dollar water park, in Florida of all places, that was part of the original Senate bill has been tossed out. This isn't really a piece of legislation, it's a piece of work. Shoddily done and rammed down the citizens throats without adequate explanation as to its varied contents.


User currently offlineMariner From New Zealand, joined Nov 2001, 25419 posts, RR: 86
Reply 23, posted (5 years 8 months 2 weeks 4 days 18 hours ago) and read 2923 times:
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Quoting DXing (Reply 22):
Depending on where you live, a part time job most likely would earn you more than an unemployment check for an average income.

I'm pleased to see your concern for the 600,000 who lost their jobs in January.

Quoting DXing (Reply 22):
I don't know that I would want to trust my vehicle and my life to a bridge that had either been built, or repaired, by an unemployed financial sector person with no previous construction experience.

Have any financial sector people been employed to build bridges?

Quoting DXing (Reply 22):
At least the several million dollar water park, in Florida of all places, that was part of the original Senate bill has been tossed out.

A lot of stuff has been tossed out in the Senate, including one element of core (Democratic) belief, which is partly why some of the House members are unhappy. See above, post #21.

Quoting DXing (Reply 22):
Shoddily done and rammed down the citizens throats without adequate explanation as to its varied contents.

I would never try to persuade you from your opinion. I don't have so long left to live.

mariner



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User currently offlineDXing From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 24, posted (5 years 8 months 2 weeks 4 days 17 hours ago) and read 2921 times:



Quoting Mariner (Reply 23):
I'm pleased to see your concern for the 600,000 who lost their jobs in January.

Recessions come and go. All the clamor that this is a dire event and if something isn't done by the end of this weekend catastrophe awaits is just the usual liberal "crisis" mode which they feel is the only way in which to get things done. For a party that has complained about the use of fear as a political tool they certainly have no qualms about using the tactic for themselves.

Quoting Mariner (Reply 23):
Have any financial sector people been employed to build bridges?

The stimulus package has yet to pass doesn't it? But as several of our other forum members have argued, better a financial worker trying to weld/shovel/pave than collecting an unemployment check.


25 Mariner : I assume that building bridges requires at least some staff - in the accounts department, say - who have some knowledge of finance. But that's just m
26 DXing : And just how many of them do you think they'll need? I'd be willing to be the accounting staff at the construction company is probably able to handle
27 FlyPNS1 : Why then are most of the welfare states (states that take more from the federal gov't than they pay in) states with Republican majorities? Agreed. Th
28 Seb146 : I find it very interesting that the ones that are arguing so hard against this stimulus bill are the same ones that lowered taxes and spent obscene am
29 Mariner : I dunno, I've never built a bridge. But I think your image of accountants wielding pick-axes is very 1920's. I am told that building bridges - these
30 DXing : Proof? It's not infrastructure spending that is at the core of the problem many GOP members have with the bill. It's things like payoffs to ACORN and
31 Seb146 : The way it was explained to me is: States would get a set amount. From that amount, each state would decide how much would go towards things like tra
32 Tugger : The biggest difference this time is how interconnected the worlds financial system is now and how dependent the USA is on foreign markets, investment
33 Post contains links FlyPNS1 : Mostly, they are states that have been Republican for a long time. Most of them are relatively poor states with smaller populations, but they are the
34 DXing : As I have argued and been told I don't know what I'm talking about by another member who seems to think it is all done manually. Just as there are de
35 Mariner : Then I have no what your point was when you said to me: Whatever debates or disagreements you have with other members are between you and those other
36 FlyPNS1 : Welfare comes in many forms. For example, agricultural subsidies are a form of welfare and factor into this analysis. But regardless of how the money
37 DXing : According the myth as now being put forth, we have an infrastructure that is set to completely collapse any day now if we don't do something about it
38 Mariner : I still have no idea what that has to do with anything I have said. I have not advocated the idea of accountants doing manual labor, I have said exac
39 DXing : And we have been in agreement all along. As I have explained several times now.... Yet you seem to keep picking on that one comment. Then, as you can
40 Mariner : Not the way I read it (see your posts #22 and #26), but if you agree now, great. mariner
41 Seb146 : IIRC, about the only thing Republicans disagreed with Bush on, to some extent, was his version of a stimulus. Even that was not completely opposed by
42 AGM100 : Vote No ... and make it a Democratic tiger trap. But it does not matter , people like me and other business people will keep fighting and the economy
43 DXing : Saying that "Republicans disagreed" carries the same weight as saying that "Democrats agree" with President Obama. There were 11 in the House that di
44 Slider : Wait a sec... I thought we all chose HOPE and CHANGE and not panic, chaos and malaise... Am I wrong? Paging Jimmy Carter. I'm waiting for Obama to as
45 FlyPNS1 : You can nitpick all you want, but the reality is that the "fiscal conservative" is largely a myth. It's a lot of talk that has NEVER been acted upon,
46 DXing : Absolutely. The continued "all is lost" if we don't sign on to a stimulus bill is beginning to sound a little suspicious as well. I'm waiting for the
47 Post contains links Mariner : Oh, I dunno. Rupert Murdoch is hardly pro-Obama - he owns Fox News - and he says the economy is worse than we thought: http://www.examiner.com/x-2546
48 DXing : The fiscal conservative is a small minority. That is the true problem. Correct. we've never cut taxes have we? Those are not fiscal conservatives. Wh
49 Mariner : I don't see that makes it "good." mariner
50 Post contains links DXing : Did I say it was good? But a "catastrophe"? http://people-press.org/report/490/obama-stimulus "Overwhelming majorities view Obama as a strong leader
51 Mariner : I don't see any evidence that it has bottomed yet, just as I would imagine Rupert Murdoch is using rather more than US unemployment numbers to arrive
52 Windy95 : But it does not make it a catastrophe and the pork bill is not an emergency. His first two weeks have been filled with the end of the world stories.
53 DXing : Shrug if you wish but too many people if the guy at the top is preaching gloom, then they have no reason to feel any better. President Clinton entere
54 Mariner : For many, many people, it is already a catastrophe. Even Fox News admits that unemployment is already nudging 1982 and I don't see any evidence that
55 DXing : Well their information is pretty fouled up. In 1982 unemployment hit 10.2% and interest rates were much much higher than they are now. I was just com
56 Mariner : I remember the President promising he would tell the American people what they need to hear, not just what they want to hear. mariner
57 Post contains links KC135TopBoom : No, I'm not suggesting that, as many republicans have "brought home the pork". We got rid of them for wasting those tax dollars, too. Jobs are cyclic
58 DXing : And that show's a true lack of leadership. To reiterate day after day that there is no hope and things are only going to get worse, is a poor way to
59 Mariner : Yet, oddly, a number of people now complain about the prosperity of many of the Clinton years. More seriously, yes, they are cyclic when - eventually
60 Mt99 : House of cards.. where are those jobs now? What use are "temporary jobs"? For example... How fast were jobs being lost then? How many jobs have been
61 Alessandro : Just 220 days of debt (780/220=3,5 billion, the average debt every day), so no big problem, add up more as long as you can.
62 Post contains links DXing : You mean like the government ones? Check for yourself, at just about the same rate from November 1982 to November 1983 as compared to January 2007 to
63 AGM100 : Its decent point , for me I will take defense spending any day. At least it creates good paying jobs , and technological advances. I would rather hav
64 Mariner : Once again, I am really confused - in a post about temporary jobs you quoted me: And I don't know why you quoted me. I have nothing against "temporary
65 Mt99 : How good are you with spreadsheets? I am trying to upload some graphs for you. the graphs shows that apart from 2 months the monthly rate of change i
66 FlyPNS1 : So the gov't should be in the business of subsidizing companies to create jobs? Sounds like socialism. And don't tell RNC Chairman Steele who said "t
67 AGM100 : We are talking about private companies , bidding and winning projects. Not bureaucracies on the federal payroll... Uhhh of course , and this happens
68 DLPMMM : Those that don't remember history are doomed to repeat it. I might start looking for my old platform shoes, liesure suits, and ruffled shirts, because
69 FlyPNS1 : We're not 3rd world yet, but if we continue to ignore problems we will find ourselves there. I know Republicans would rather ignore domestic issues a
70 JCS17 : At this point, it's fine. Whatever. It's become such a joke, I support it. The bill is so unpopular that my friends who work for the GOP (and were nea
71 Baroque : What problems FlyPNS1? There are no problems, why you have just emerged into the sunny uplands after 8 years of the best administration ever. I learn
72 Slider : Don't forget that Sen. Tom Harkin is now calling for the return of the "Fairness Doctrine" as well.. so not only is the Federal government going to t
73 AGM100 : Hold one ... We want real growth to drive infrastructure spending in balance. Not Washington bureaucrats deciding what infrastructure is needed. OH M
74 Mariner : I have to confess I am baffled by the idea that President Obama caused this global economic crisis in just three weeks. And since it seems likely tha
75 Mt99 : Chicago Style is great. Look at what Major Daley has done! Look how great life in Chicago is Is this the same guy that everyone was cheering when he
76 DXing : Considering the majorities the democratic party now has in the Senate and House passage was never questioned. GOP support was, is, and will be. Right
77 Mariner : Given the Republican chest-thumping in the House ("we Tarzan") I questioned it passing in the Senate. Three's enough. mariner
78 Confuscius : I believe 42% is now tax breaks CHICAGO: The City That Works
79 Post contains links Dreadnought : Remember these words from Nancy Pelosi a few years back? Pelosi: %u201C[I would like] to come as close as you can in the political reality to a bipart
80 Mt99 : What happened to the evil liberal media?
81 Seb146 : Kinda like a gathering, I recall, of Dems about Iraq a few years back. Not a true hearing. No one was sworn in. It was simply a gathering of people t
82 Post contains links MadameConcorde : Martin Wolf started off his Financial Times column today (February 11) with the bold question: “Has Barack Obama’s presidency already failed?”[1
83 Post contains links Mariner : And Fidel Castro doesn't like the plan either: http://www.politico.com/news/stories/0209/18754.html “Even if Kant, Plato and Aristotle were resurre
84 Mt99 : Stock were doing great when the Banks were houses of cards. What is your point>?
85 Post contains links Sv7887 : Here's another whopper in this worthless bill: "One new bureaucracy, the National Coordinator of Health Information Technology, will monitor treatment
86 Mt99 : Isnt that what HMOs' do?
87 Dreadnought : Can you imagine if the Republicans had put this bill out? The media would be shaking with calls of genocide. Just to make sure that everyone understa
88 Confuscius : Yep, that's where accountants make medical decisions.
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