Beaucaire From Syria, joined Sep 2003, 5252 posts, RR: 25 Posted (4 years 9 months 3 weeks 4 days 13 hours ago) and read 2650 times:
..and then they attacked Gaza - and a draft agreement that would have basically needed just some minor changes was "caduc"..
Erdogan had lengthy three-way indirect talks between Olmert and Assad just hours befor the initial attacks came.He was not informed by the Israeli side about the forthcomming raids.
An interesting article by Haaretz that could be part of the history-book's tales on how opportunities are missed..and that sheds some light on his behaviour in Davos,when he abandoned the panel discussion with Perez.. http://www.haaretz.com/hasen/spages/1063805.html
NAV20 From Australia, joined Nov 2003, 9728 posts, RR: 37 Reply 3, posted (4 years 9 months 3 weeks 4 days 12 hours ago) and read 2624 times:
Quoting SOBHI51 (Reply 2): If there is a peace accord then it should be returned to Syria.Simple.
Not 'simple' any more, SOBH151. I only found out recently (thanks to the Internet) that the Israeli Government didn't just 'occupy' the Golan Heights - they knocked down all the buildings, 're-subdivided' all the land, and then sold it (technically, ground-leased it) to Israeli settlers.
They've done exactly the same thing in all the other 'territories' occupied during the 1967 War, and in land seized since.
So any 'deal' with Syria will involve massive compensation payments both to the 'settlers' who were leased land that didn't belong to Israel, AND the Syrians who were driven out and dispossessed, and had their houses knocked down.......
I honestly can't see any Israeli government, however 'peace-minded' it may claim to be, facing up to a multi-million-dollar bill like that. To say nothing of turning the Israeli Army loose on all those militant 'settlers' who've paid good money for the land they occupy........
I expect any new Israeli government to go on doing what ALL Israeli governments have been doing for decades. Just 'play for time'.......
"Once you have flown, you will walk the earth with your eyes turned skywards.." - Leonardo da Vinci
SOBHI51 From Saudi Arabia, joined Jun 2003, 3153 posts, RR: 17 Reply 4, posted (4 years 9 months 3 weeks 4 days 11 hours ago) and read 2600 times:
Well NAV20 then the Israeli government should pay for there mistakes.They sold a land that they do not own.As for playing foe time, what's new.They did that with Egypt in the case of Taba and they lost in int'l court.If Israel really wants peace then she have to find a way.
I am against any terrorist acts committed under the name of Islam
Radiopolitic From Canada, joined Jan 2009, 111 posts, RR: 0 Reply 5, posted (4 years 9 months 3 weeks 4 days 10 hours ago) and read 2573 times:
Quoting Beaucaire (Thread starter): and that sheds some light on his behaviour in Davos,when he abandoned the panel discussion with Perez..
While this may have played a part in his actions at Davos. He may have used this to bolster his domestic popularity, which had fallen in recent months, in light of coming municipal elections. It has definitely worked.
Bashar Assad is new !
His father was a blockhead but Bashar might actually manage to drive Syria out of it's corner and bring it back into the list of "normal" countries.If you don't see that things are changing in Damascus - you are either blindfolded or don't want to see.
Syria will have it's stock exchange-unthinkable under the old Assad !
Relations with Lebanon become less tense -unthinkable under his father!
The USA will send an ambassador again to Syria ..
But there is abviously relativaly biased information about Syria available in Israel,since not to many Israelis visit Syria.
The problems are with the information Israelis who did "visit" Syria lately brought back.
One more thing you forgot to mention is that in the old Assad days it was unthinkable that Hezbollah would make a joke out of Syria, that they will do what ever they want.
Basically, Nasrallah does to young Assad what his father did to him.
Quoting SOBHI51 (Reply 10): But i am talking about the Golan heights and what legal rights does the government of Israel have to sell lands that she does not own.
The Golan Heights is our now (if you like it or not, it is a fact). The Druze in the Golan can elect and can be elected (and one of them was elected for the Knesset this week. Do you want to guess in which party? The answer will probably shock you). Yet, I want to remind you that there is no big difference between the situation in the Golan Heights and what was in Sinai or the Gaza Strip and we completely withdrew from both of them so there are no real problems if we decide to withdraw from the Golan (well, there are but we can overcome them).
SOBHI51 From Saudi Arabia, joined Jun 2003, 3153 posts, RR: 17 Reply 12, posted (4 years 9 months 3 weeks 4 days 4 hours ago) and read 2446 times:
Quoting Avi (Reply 11): The Golan Heights is our now (if you like it or not, it is a fact).
Quoting Avi (Reply 11): so there are no real problems if we decide to withdraw from the Golan (well, there are but we can overcome them).
OK.So you control the Golan Heights after you occupied it in the 67 war.Fine.Now if there is a peace accord you should return it to Syria as you did with the Sinai and Egypt.We are in agreement on those 2 points.Now what to do about the settlers is Israel problem and not Syria.Do we agree on that?
I am against any terrorist acts committed under the name of Islam
Avi From Israel, joined Sep 2001, 933 posts, RR: 6 Reply 13, posted (4 years 9 months 3 weeks 4 days 2 hours ago) and read 2427 times:
Quoting SOBHI51 (Reply 12): Now what to do about the settlers is Israel problem and not Syria.Do we agree on that?
Who ever said it should be / will be Syria problem?
When Israel withdrew from Sinai, it evacuates the settlers. We didn't leave them there.
When Israel withdrew from the GS, it evacuates the settlers. We didn't leave them there.
Why do you even ask?
NIKV69 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR: Reply 16, posted (4 years 9 months 3 weeks 4 days ago) and read 2401 times:
Quoting Avi (Reply 7): What about the Arab countries paying for them mistakes (or do you think they are all "angels")?
What it boils down too is the Arab countries can't control or don't want to control the radical part of their population that can't stop lobbing bombs or strapping bombs to 12 year old girls. No talking is ever going to help. We are just going to waste more time with Obama and Iran now when we should just let Isreal do what has to be done. Everybody is to blame, nobody is to blame etc. Bottom line is the violence will not stop till someone is gone. If Netanyahu gets power he will get real heavy. Maybe it's time.
Beaucaire From Syria, joined Sep 2003, 5252 posts, RR: 25 Reply 23, posted (4 years 9 months 3 weeks 3 days 18 hours ago) and read 2341 times:
The forthcomming visit of John Kerry to the region-including Syria- will shed some light on the Obam administrations intentions to move along in the ME peace-project.
Kerry has been visiting Damascus already in 2006 -a visit much critizised by the Bush admin. when it happened.
Truth is that there remain open questions with regards to the Hariri investigation .I still believe rugue elements within the Syrian security apparatus have been involved but not neccessarily with the consent of Assad.The attack could not have been executed without help from within the Lebanese army neither..
Kerry has the blessing of Clinton and Obama for his trip-unilike the visit of Nancy Pelosi two years ago.We should knwo relatively soon when the new US Ambassador will move into Damascus.The question of Golan will be a topic and the current admin in Washington is clearly favourable to a direct talk scenario between Jerusalem and Damascus.Even Nethanyahu knows that .