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The Republican Party Died On The Week Of Lincoln  
User currently offlineCometII From United States of America, joined Dec 1999, 302 posts, RR: 0
Posted (5 years 7 months 1 week 14 hours ago) and read 4724 times:

The republican party has officially died in my eyes and the views of many.

They are a joke.

Not one republican in the house had the patriotism to vote for the Stimulus bill. While it can be argued they did so based on principle, the last 8 years of these same characters proves it was not. They did NOTHING, and I mean nothing, from January 20th 2001, to January 19, 2009 to stop their own president from doubling the national debt from 5 to 10 trillion. Did nothing to stop the pork-barrel spending, did nothing to cut bloated programs.

Can I repeat that? Nothing. Nichts. Nada. Zippo.

Now they claim to 'stand on principle'. Well, to me they are traitors.

They spent this nation into oblivion in the last eight years, and now they oppose THE ONE spending package that targets 99% of the population of this nation and not their 1% billionaire friends. They are bereft of morals.

Maybe so that the Rush Limbaugh crowd gets it, lets use a 4th grade example to show what the republicans have done: They lived in a beautiful house, for several years, burning up the water bill. Taking crazy 2 hour showers, leaving the water on while cooking and brushing their teeth, watering the lawn 4 times a day, changing the water on the pool every two weeks. On and on... wasting precious water and racking up a huge water bill.

Then one day, the house catches fire. Neighbors try to help by watering the house till the firefighters arrive, but now they suddenly catch 'waste' guilt and tell you "Hey, don't use too much water at all, we got to save water and money... I will only let you use a couple of buckets." The fire spreads beyond control and the house burns down before the firefighters can do much about it.

That's the republicans. The wasted it all, and then when burned it down.

I hope they all get voted out of office. It's time for a new party that truly focuses on conservative economics, and while we're at it stays out of EVERYONE's bedroom.
Let this ''republican party'', the one that doubles the debt every time they gain power (Reagan, W) on showering the richest one percent, on waging war and on nosing in and judging citizen morality as if they were without sin, DIE.

...Or at least be relegated to South Carolina, Alabama, Tennessee and Oklahoma. That's what they have become, not even a southern party. A rural, southern, white male over 50, AM radio listening, big spending, morally judging, always say NO, party.

With that kind of demographic, they won't be winning many more elections. I mean, any.

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User currently offlineMt99 From United States of America, joined May 1999, 6594 posts, RR: 6
Reply 1, posted (5 years 7 months 1 week 14 hours ago) and read 4700 times:
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Politically opposing this is the best thing the GOP can do. I bet even if it would get Rush Limbaugh's blessing the GOP would still find it politically beneficial to oppose it why?

1. If it fails to live to expectations: Which will undoubtedly happen ( i mean seriously, who is ever 100% happy with anything?) They have ammo for the future.

2. If it helps somewhat: They can claim it was because of the changes that they fought so hard for...

They is no political loss for the GOP to oppose it. They would be stupid.. Well they were a bit, when they praised Obama for meeting with them earlier.



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User currently offlineMaverickM11 From United States of America, joined Apr 2000, 17501 posts, RR: 45
Reply 2, posted (5 years 7 months 1 week 14 hours ago) and read 4697 times:



Quoting CometII (Thread starter):
Not one republican in the house had the patriotism to vote for the Stimulus bill.

Wait, if you're handed a pile of sh!t and you don't accept it it's because you're not bipartisan?

Quoting CometII (Thread starter):
They did NOTHING, and I mean nothing, from January 20th 2001, to January 19, 2009 to stop their own president from doubling the national debt from 5 to 10 trillion. Did nothing to stop the pork-barrel spending, did nothing to cut bloated programs.

I'd argue then that they're back, not dead Wink



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User currently offlineMt99 From United States of America, joined May 1999, 6594 posts, RR: 6
Reply 3, posted (5 years 7 months 1 week 14 hours ago) and read 4690 times:
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Quoting MaverickM11 (Reply 2):

Wait, if you're handed a pile of sh!t and you don't accept it it's because you're not bipartisan?

cough Iraq cough...

Not to mention: Terrorist Lover and Anti-American..



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User currently offlineCometII From United States of America, joined Dec 1999, 302 posts, RR: 0
Reply 4, posted (5 years 7 months 1 week 13 hours ago) and read 4685 times:



Quoting Mt99 (Reply 1):
If it fails to live to expectations: Which will undoubtedly happen ( i mean seriously, who is ever 100% happy with anything?) They have ammo for the future.

And you believe the American people are that stupid as to not see this obvious ploy? What will they run on when/if this package fails?? Under what slogan ''Hey, we balanced the budget under Bush" ... ???

Quoting MaverickM11 (Reply 2):
I'd argue then that they're back, not dead

It's time for a new conservative party, like I said, no more chances for these tumbleweed politicos. Again, they did nothing to stop Bush from NOT stopping one single lowly piece of spending, and now they oppose this bill because it's politically convenient. No more tumbleweed congressmen that vote solely on what letter the current administration has, enough is enough.


User currently offlineMariner From New Zealand, joined Nov 2001, 25256 posts, RR: 85
Reply 5, posted (5 years 7 months 1 week 13 hours ago) and read 4665 times:
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There's some good comes out of it.

Senator Gregg's comment that President Obama was never going to get any Republican support, taken together with the House vote, should put an end to this "bipartisan" dream.

mariner



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User currently offlineMaverickM11 From United States of America, joined Apr 2000, 17501 posts, RR: 45
Reply 6, posted (5 years 7 months 1 week 13 hours ago) and read 4657 times:



Quoting Mt99 (Reply 3):
cough Iraq cough...

Not to mention: Terrorist Lover and Anti-American..

Like I said....

Quoting MaverickM11 (Reply 2):
I'd argue then that they're back, not dead




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User currently offlineJakeOrion From United States of America, joined Oct 2005, 1253 posts, RR: 2
Reply 7, posted (5 years 7 months 1 week 12 hours ago) and read 4617 times:

Well this thread will start to get real interesting...

Can't stand the fact if:

a) this "stimulus" fails the Democrats will have no way to pin this on Republicans

or

b) it succeeds and Democrats will get all the credit.



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User currently offlineUAXDXer From United States of America, joined Jul 2004, 765 posts, RR: 3
Reply 8, posted (5 years 7 months 1 week 12 hours ago) and read 4604 times:



Quoting JakeOrion (Reply 7):
Well this thread will start to get real interesting...

Can't stand the fact if:

a) this "stimulus" fails the Democrats will have no way to pin this on Republicans

or

b) it succeeds and Democrats will get all the credit.

This will be the make or break for the Dems.

Quoting CometII (Thread starter):
The republican party has officially died in my eyes and the views of many.

They are a joke.

Had the shoe been on the other foot the result would've been the same. The fact is... this "Bail Out" is full of Pork, it will only create temporary work and not jobs. Now that Palosi has gotten this bill passed she is taking a tax funded "Pork" trip to Italy.



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User currently offlineMt99 From United States of America, joined May 1999, 6594 posts, RR: 6
Reply 9, posted (5 years 7 months 1 week 12 hours ago) and read 4603 times:
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Quoting JakeOrion (Reply 7):
a) this "stimulus" fails the Democrats will have no way to pin this on Republicans

Exactly. That is why they republicans will be stupid to vote for it.

Quoting JakeOrion (Reply 7):
b) it succeeds and Democrats will get all the credit.

Define "succeeds"?

In other words, the Republicans are betting (politically speaking) on the failure (or perceived failure) of the plan. Like I said, with a plan so vast you are always going to find something wrong. And you can bet the the Republicans are going to harp on it every single chance they get.

Why do you think they kept talking about the measly $200 Mllion to Hollywood? Because it sounds good and attract attention.

Unless its a resounding success - then the Republicans will benefit from opposing this. And what are the chances of it being a resounding success?

Politics Politics Politics



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User currently offlineMaverickM11 From United States of America, joined Apr 2000, 17501 posts, RR: 45
Reply 10, posted (5 years 7 months 1 week 12 hours ago) and read 4595 times:



Quoting Mt99 (Reply 9):
And you can bet the the Republicans are going to harp on it every single chance they get.

What goes around comes around...

Quoting Mt99 (Reply 3):
cough Iraq cough...




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User currently offlineMt99 From United States of America, joined May 1999, 6594 posts, RR: 6
Reply 11, posted (5 years 7 months 1 week 12 hours ago) and read 4591 times:
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Quoting MaverickM11 (Reply 10):
Quoting Mt99 (Reply 9):
And you can bet the the Republicans are going to harp on it every single chance they get.

What goes around comes around...

Quoting Mt99 (Reply 3):
cough Iraq cough...


Absolutely. I see that, you see that.. but most people here seem to see the world in absolutes and they cannot appreciate the need for middle ground, and the need for real compromise.

Now that i think about it for a second more, for Iraq the Dem had to vote in favor because of the "must support our troops" mentality, and it would be political suicide to be too vocal and too facetious about it (like Reps are being this time around). The deck is stacked in favor of Reps.

So tell me why on earth would they even remotely consider voting for the "stimulus" package? Its a win-win for the Reps.

[Edited 2009-02-13 14:05:19]


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User currently offlineMD-90 From United States of America, joined Jan 2000, 8507 posts, RR: 12
Reply 12, posted (5 years 7 months 1 week 12 hours ago) and read 4577 times:



Quoting CometII (Thread starter):
Now they claim to 'stand on principle'. Well, to me they are traitors.

They spent this nation into oblivion in the last eight years, and now they oppose THE ONE spending package that targets 99% of the population of this nation and not their 1% billionaire friends. They are bereft of morals.

So you're not aware that the "stimulus" package really is nothing of the sort? That it only adds to the government's already massive debt and will devalue our federal reserve notes and make us all poorer?


User currently offlineLOT767-300ER From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 13, posted (5 years 7 months 1 week 12 hours ago) and read 4570 times:

Someone tell me why the Democrats are passing the biggest spending bill in US History in less than 48 hours from post date to pass date?

How is anyone supposed to even review this thing or see what is in it? I thought OBama said everything will be reviewed and post->pass will be 5 days minimum.


User currently offlineMt99 From United States of America, joined May 1999, 6594 posts, RR: 6
Reply 14, posted (5 years 7 months 1 week 12 hours ago) and read 4570 times:
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Quoting MD-90 (Reply 12):

So you're not aware that the "stimulus" package really is nothing of the sort? That it only adds to the government's already massive debt and will devalue our federal reserve notes and make us all poorer?

So - Whats ur plan then?



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User currently offlineMaverickM11 From United States of America, joined Apr 2000, 17501 posts, RR: 45
Reply 15, posted (5 years 7 months 1 week 11 hours ago) and read 4567 times:



Quoting Mt99 (Reply 11):
So tell me why on earth would they even remotely consider voting for the "stimulus" package? Its a win-win for the Reps.

Right...so what's the value in being "bipartisan" for the sake of being bipartisan when the cost is so monumental? I think I'd do the same thing.



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User currently offlineMt99 From United States of America, joined May 1999, 6594 posts, RR: 6
Reply 16, posted (5 years 7 months 1 week 11 hours ago) and read 4564 times:
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Quoting MaverickM11 (Reply 15):

Right...so what's the value in being "bipartisan" for the sake of being bipartisan when the cost is so monumental? I think I'd do the same thing.

No value at all. But it sure shows where their selfish priorities lie.



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User currently offlineAGM100 From United States of America, joined Dec 2003, 5407 posts, RR: 16
Reply 17, posted (5 years 7 months 1 week 11 hours ago) and read 4560 times:

President Obama and Pelosi over shot on this Bill, but they did it on purpose. If they would have targeted infrastructure and a housing fix instead of adding approx 350 billion in left wing nightmares it would have sailed through. But they wanted it to pay back there political operatives and the GOP stood.

The GOP screwed themselves when they voted for the first bail out . They should have fought President Bush on that .. and made it his problem. We are actively looking for those members to be thrown out of office in 2010 , anyone who voted for the original bail out is a target now.

This bail out will fail, because frankly the Dems want us poor and reliant on there generosity. This is where many of us fail to understand the agenda .. they want big government (or bigger) . The one thing standing in their way are independent upper middle class republicans and blue dogs. So , they need us brought down to size so to speak. We will see what happens , but things are changing fast.



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User currently offlineDreadnought From United States of America, joined Feb 2008, 8841 posts, RR: 24
Reply 18, posted (5 years 7 months 1 week 11 hours ago) and read 4560 times:



Quoting Mt99 (Reply 14):
So - Whats ur plan then?

The republicans in Congress had an alternative plan but were not allowed to present it. Some bi-partisanship.

Personally, my plan would be extraordinarily simple.

1) Permenant elimination of the Capital Gains Tax
2) Permenant reduction of the corporate tax rate to a flat 15%
3) Keep Personal Income tax as they are (keep Bush Tax cuts), but add a new, higher tax tier as of $1 million, and another above $10 million. I hate how people making $250K are treated the same as multimilionnaires.
4) Elimination of PR deductions for the entertainment industry (that will raise billions upon billions).

And finally, along with an extention for jobless benefits (necessary at the moment, unfortunately) I would reinforce the provisions of the Welfare Reform of 1996, which this stimulus bill is quietly reversing.



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User currently offlineMt99 From United States of America, joined May 1999, 6594 posts, RR: 6
Reply 19, posted (5 years 7 months 1 week 11 hours ago) and read 4552 times:
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Quoting AGM100 (Reply 17):

This bail out will fail, because frankly the Dems want us poor and reliant on there generosity. This is where many of us fail to understand the agenda .. they want big government (or bigger) . The one thing standing in their way are independent upper middle class republicans and blue dogs

Umm.. The Aluminum Foil hats are in Aisle 5...

Why do some people have this "Us against the world" mentality? Karl Rove understood these people very very well and played them like a fiddle.



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User currently offlineMariner From New Zealand, joined Nov 2001, 25256 posts, RR: 85
Reply 20, posted (5 years 7 months 1 week 11 hours ago) and read 4547 times:
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Quoting Dreadnought (Reply 18):
The republicans in Congress had an alternative plan but were not allowed to present it. Some bi-partisanship.

I'm not clear why a Democratic government should enact a Republican agenda.  confused 

Similarly, I am not sure why Senator McCain thought rural broadband was "essential" under President Bush, but "pork" under President Obama.  confused 

mariner



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User currently offlineMt99 From United States of America, joined May 1999, 6594 posts, RR: 6
Reply 21, posted (5 years 7 months 1 week 11 hours ago) and read 4544 times:
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Quoting Dreadnought (Reply 18):

1) Permenant elimination of the Capital Gains Tax
2) Permenant reduction of the corporate tax rate to a flat 15%
3) Keep Personal Income tax as they are (keep Bush Tax cuts), but add a new, higher tax tier as of $1 million, and another above $10 million. I hate how people making $250K are treated the same as multimilionnaires.

Tax cuts only then?

Tax cuts cost money too, you do realize that right?

You can can keep the personal tax cuts, but that only counts if you have job. What the use in getting $300 more a month in tax breaks if your job is not secure?

I though you were for the "hard working" people? Wouldn't you rather have a good job and earn your money, rather than you have handouts - that's what tax cuts are really.

I would feel more comfortable knowing that i have a secure job, to buy a new car - rather than get $3000 tax credit, because i wouldn't know if i will have a job 3months from now.

That is why i think that government funded infrastructure projects are the way to go

Quoting Dreadnought (Reply 18):
4) Elimination of PR deductions for the entertainment industry (that will raise billions upon billions).

Hmm.. give me some numbers here.. lets see your billions upon billions.. Is the NFL, NASCAR and NBA included in this industry?



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User currently offlineAGM100 From United States of America, joined Dec 2003, 5407 posts, RR: 16
Reply 22, posted (5 years 7 months 1 week 11 hours ago) and read 4536 times:



Quoting Dreadnought (Reply 18):
extraordinarily simple



Quoting Mt99 (Reply 19):
Umm.. The Aluminum Foil hats are in Aisle 5...

Funny , but if you think the left wingers running things want independent people like me out here making money and supporting fiscally conservative representatives then go on. Ram Emanuel is going to say the same thing you are .. that we are some fringe group. The one sure way to get rid of me ,, is to make it harder for me to make money. Remember we are only in the first month of the new regime... we still have phase 2,3,4..... to go.

Its OK , for me personal I have now taking proper protective steps .. but many have not. Either way I am good , I am positioned for both ways the economy goes ..at least the best I can be.



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User currently offlineConfuscius From United States of America, joined Aug 2001, 3863 posts, RR: 1
Reply 23, posted (5 years 7 months 1 week 11 hours ago) and read 4520 times:



Quoting Mt99 (Reply 21):
Quoting Dreadnought (Reply 18):

1) Permenant elimination of the Capital Gains Tax
2) Permenant reduction of the corporate tax rate to a flat 15%
3) Keep Personal Income tax as they are (keep Bush Tax cuts), but add a new, higher tax tier as of $1 million, and another above $10 million. I hate how people making $250K are treated the same as multimilionnaires.

Tax cuts only then?

Déjà vu all over again.



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User currently offlineDreadnought From United States of America, joined Feb 2008, 8841 posts, RR: 24
Reply 24, posted (5 years 7 months 1 week 11 hours ago) and read 4516 times:



Quoting Mt99 (Reply 21):
Tax cuts cost money too, you do realize that right?

Think about it. Don't you realize how warped your thinking has become, if you are thinking this way? Taxes are what costs money. The government exists to serve us, not the other way around.

Quoting Mt99 (Reply 21):
You can can keep the personal tax cuts, but that only counts if you have job. What the use in getting $300 more a month in tax breaks if your job is not secure?

Notice where I put the tax cuts. Capital gains (to increase the incentive for people to invest more), lowering of the corporate tax, (easing pressure on the bottom line and allowing companies to employ more people). All the jobs in the country are paid for by business, including (via trickle-down) all the jobs in the public sector. Business is the goose that lays the golden egg. Considering that we have some of the highest corporate tax rates in the world when you include state taxes, I think we can be pretty confident that business, employment and the stock market (i.e. all of you with 401ks and IRAs) will do very well.

Quoting Mt99 (Reply 21):
I would feel more comfortable knowing that i have a secure job, to buy a new car - rather than get $3000 tax credit, because i wouldn't know if i will have a job 3months from now.

Hence the desire to encourage businesses to employ by lifting some of the financial burden they carry. You do realize that all the layoffs that have been happening have been due to the need to defend the bottom line - Net Profit After Tax.

Quoting Mt99 (Reply 21):
Hmm.. give me some numbers here.. lets see your billions upon billions.. Is the NFL, NASCAR and NBA included in this industry?

I was mainly thinking of actors and musicians. You realize that every time Briteney goes out for another beaver-shot at Planet Hollywood with all the Paparazi there, the limo, the clothes, the hair stylist, everything is tax deductable as a PR expense. If she invites some magazine to shoot pictures of her home, or even if she is interviewed in her home, she can write off the landscapers, the housekeepers and other home costs to PR expense. they can do this because they are not salaried employees, (like in the old days with the big studios), but independant contractors.

Look at all the hollywood stars who make $20 million or more per movie. Then add all the musicians. Basically you can take all the people that appear in the tabloids. I think you will very quickly get into the billions.



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25 DfwRevolution : It's the difference between an emergency stimulus bill in a time of crisis and an elective spending bill during normalcy. What would have been the re
26 Mariner : Sorry, I'm still not seeing it. Democrats have different priorities from Republicans and will approach things differently. Isn't that why we have two
27 GuitrThree : Umm. No sir. Let me explain to you what the real joke of this is. The real "joke" is each and every person who voted "yes" for this bill. Now, before
28 DfwRevolution : Count me as one of them. The economy is certainly bad, but we're not (necessarily) approaching a Great Depression event. As it stands, I would say ou
29 Mt99 : Go ask any CEO right now what would they rather have: 1) 15% flat Tax or 2) Certainty that their company will be in business 3 year from now because
30 OA412 : It's funny how quickly all of you seem to have forgotten that it was a Republican administration that began this whole stimulus nonsense.
31 Mariner : That may be true, but most Senators I have heard seem to think drastic action is needed - it is the form of that drastic action that is the sticking
32 OA412 : Yeah that's it, all us pinko commie Democrats want you to live in abject poverty suckling off the government's teet. I find it hard to believe that s
33 LTBEWR : The Republican party is far from dead, but indeed they need to develop a broader base or they will divide and die. They must start to move away from t
34 PPVRA : Other way around IMO. Many companies don't even pay out dividends, especially smaller, growing companies. This will not affect them in any beneficial
35 PPVRA : How long till the ~$800bi stimulus check disappears? What then, are we gonna go the Zimbabwe way?
36 Mham001 : I only have time to read the original post, but it was republicans who were taking heat for holding up the the bank bill in November that is now widel
37 Post contains links Confuscius : New tactic for the GOP: GOP Rep: We Might Need A Taliban-Like "Insurgency" In an interview with National Journal's Hotline, Republican Rep. Pete Sessi
38 Mt99 : Are you familiar with the Multiplier Effect? Go ask a man that got laid off this week if he wants a 10% tax cut or his job back? I firmly believe tha
39 PPVRA : There are many multipliers. Most interesting of all IMO is the "money multiplier" effect. I assume you are talking about Spending multipliers, though
40 Mt99 : Of course. Did the New Deal cause stagflation? Uh huh.. so my company has no clients and no projects.. and i get a tax cut? to do what? buy new furni
41 Dreadnought : I agree there is a crisis. But you don't respond to a heart attack by going shopping followed by a spot of clubbing. This bill contains tax breaks th
42 Post contains links Mariner : Okay, but I have heard quite different perceptions of it from different economists, both on the right and the left. More disturbing, to me, are the r
43 PNQIAD : So Republican sponsored tax cuts promote economic activity but Democratic tax breaks do not??
44 DocLightning : Back up. If it fails, there is no more U.S.A. The country runs out of money, we have no way to pay our debts. No way to run infrastructure. Not sure
45 GuitrThree : Well. Not really. My my, how we conveniently forget history. Maybe during this downturn, the Republicans were first who offered a stimulus package, b
46 Post contains links Yellowstone : Can't emphasize this statement enough. Take a look at this letter from the Congressional Budget Office to Senator Gregg (R-NH): http://www.cbo.gov/do
47 Mt99 : How much you figure the multiplier for "some construction" crews is?
48 Post contains links Aaron747 : To the OP: What is wrong with opposing a bill of massive expense that has only a 50% chance of doing anything close to what it purports to do? How is
49 Seb146 : I don't understand something about these tin hat wearing, kool-ade drinking people: They are the only ones who shout loudest about the "fairness doct
50 Mt99 : Where do you people get your numbers? Can you prove it has a 50/50 chance? What is your basis? Well we have been told that questioning The President
51 Post contains links PPVRA : Directly no, but such policies continued over the course of the century which led to it. You don't need to provide people with money for them to crea
52 PPVRA : The term "stagflation" was coined in 1965, in Britain, 8 years before the Iran oil crisis.
53 Post contains links Mt99 : So your point about stagflation was? While i appreciate the time you took. you dont have to explain to me how "wealth" is created. I have taken enoug
54 Aaron747 : I'm using Obama's comments as my basis. He said himself there's no guarantee any of this will work - that sounds like at least 50/50 to me. I'm quest
55 Mt99 : I hope you are not a doctor ("you have a 50/50 chance of living, although there is only a 25% chance of that") - extra point to who identifies that q
56 PPVRA : That stimulus policies can lead to it. First people need to get off under so much debt. Be it through bankruptcy or whatever. It's painful without a
57 Mt99 : So we agree then? So you build your own Dams and highways?
58 Greaser : Tax cuts are not necessarily inducive to higher production. The fact is that while present consumption does increase, savings takes most of the tax c
59 Aaron747 : I stand by 50/50 purely on the basis that it will either work, or it won't. My formal education is in economics, and unfortunately as a consequence o
60 PPVRA : No. I meant private enterprise. An equal cut in spending must be passed as well. The way things are going there is already a loss in confidence and n
61 Mt99 : So you understand then that the So private enterprise build, fund and the allow citizens to benefits from Dams, Highways and bridges? Wow.
62 PPVRA : Are you trying to say that citizens wouldn't benefit from dams, highways, and bridges if they were built and funded by private enterprise? I'd like t
63 Petertenthije : A bridge or a road can be build and funded by commercial companies, since those would be potentially profitable. The company can charge a toll for pe
64 PPVRA : You can have insurance companies running New Orlean's levees. They have a very large amount of reason ($$$$$) in the city to make sure those levees a
65 DocLightning : "Massive error in judgement" sounds like an understatement. But I don't think that any language has the words to express what it really was. Words li
66 MD-90 : It's a sad, sad, world when people think that tax cuts are "hand outs!" For starters, eliminate the federal income tax and reduce spending until ther
67 Seb146 : You know what is funny about this latest stimulus? There are tax cuts, which the Republicans said they wanted. They got it and they still voted in lo
68 Mt99 : I though we agreed on that corporate taxes does not How long would that take? Have you read the thread? They are. When the option is actual WORK. Its
69 Yellowstone : If I'm an insurance company, it's a lot easier for me to just decide not to sell flood insurance to New Orleanians, rather than trying to protect the
70 Windy95 : How much of this pile of garbage is actually spening for infrastructure that you keep talking about? How many of the working guys will it give jobs b
71 PPVRA : They still sell insurance to them. It's a lot easier if I can get the government to do all the work on the levees, but if they can't do it properly a
72 Seb146 : Not to worry. The insurance companies that sold flood insurance to those in NO already decided all those homes were damaged by wind, so the flood ins
73 MD-90 : If Ron Paul had been elected president I'd say it'd would've taken about a month. Maybe two at the most.
74 Baroque : Now now Yellowstone, it is not polite to introduce actual numbers to prove a point. I wonder if anyone is game to argue with what they show. One thin
75 Ual777 : You really need to read up on the lending crisis and who tried to stop sub-prime lending. (Hint: you won't find a 'D' next to their name on t.v.) The
76 Confuscius : Ditto. Says the fat guy on radio. Don't blasphemy the fat radio guy. You mean reform as in less regulation.
77 Mt99 : Maybe. But direct expenditure spurs even more much much quicker. I have asked 3 time already and no one can dispute this: Ask a hard working man from
78 Mt99 : Where have you been the last 8 years?
79 Confuscius : You know what's worse than a tax and spend liberal? A tax cut and spend conservative.
80 Greaser : in the 2007 budget, income tax accounted for 1.1 trillion dollars. If you took the entire Defense budget and Medicare and Medicaid, that would add up
81 UAL777 : Im not a "Rush" listener. Its the truth though. Look in the news for yourself and follow the money. No. I mean smart regulation. I mean regulation th
82 Mike89406 : One of the most vivid memories I have of my Macroeconomics class I took in college was when my professor mentioned "when you put a bunch of Economists
83 Post contains links Baroque : Not only that, we need to keep ignoring the hard numbers from Yellowstone in Reply 46 as we keep chanting "tax cuts, tax cuts tax cuts". One stat tha
84 Post contains links Lufthansa411 : In my view, the government needs a full audit. Go through everything, EVERYTHING, down to the box of paperclips. See what cost saving devices could be
85 Mt99 : Prove it. How does $50 more a paycheck better than a stable job for the foreseeable future? What will make you more likely to buy a car? $50 per payc
86 PPVRA : If you use a Keynesian model to prove Keynesian theory then it's gonna work. Unfortunately, digging a ditch and covering it up again yields no output
87 Baroque : What has that got to do with loss aversion? The stimulus is supposed to include items that do not correspond with Keynesian holes. IIRC JMK was not r
88 Mt99 : But the stimulus is not going to be used for digging ditches and then covering them up. It should be used to fund real projects that will be useful t
89 WarRI1 : As I have been told so many times before, I am not an economic student. I would like to know what economic theory is used when someone digs a ditch,
90 Post contains links PPVRA : Just for curiosity purposes: Well, if you are too afraid to spend the money then it'll go to savings, where it'll be loaned out to someone else to sp
91 Post contains links Confuscius : Wasn't the last president to increase taxes also had budget surpluses, $230 billion as of year 2000. Perhaps just a coincidence? Those were the days..
92 AGM100 : BS or not it is going to happen. Now that is BS ... so how do they get this wonderfully nimble government who is able to effect these grand changes y
93 Seb146 : Like creationism and abstinance-only sex ed?
94 Post contains links Baroque : I know that - I quoted it myself a couple of weeks ago in a different thread. 1. As Mt99 correctly points out, it you do that stupid as it is, there
95 AGM100 : No... it should not be taught at all. That is how it should be ... I realize its never going to happen . But I am one who does not want a central gov
96 Mariner : And if the parents fail? Obviously no one, no parent or school, taught the 13 year old English father about either abstinence or condoms. Sadly. mari
97 UAL777 : Its not all about the worker. Helping the employer maintain a payroll will do more than throwing money toward every pet democratic project there is.
98 AGM100 : Well I for one don't want my tax dollars picking up the pieces for them . What do you suggest ? That if the kids don't use condoms and a pregnancy oc
99 Mariner : No, but the British taxpayer is going to be paying for that child anyway. I want all children to receive decent sex education and preferably at schoo
100 AGM100 : Your right , so what is the answer ? Make us all clones of the state guidelines ? Make us all equal in order to leave no one behind ? Can we achieve
101 Mt99 : How much is it then? How many more jobs? How long will it take? So the plan will be a success? or are you saying that there will be a roaring recover
102 AGM100 : One other point on this topic. No one should be rejoicing about the destruction of anyone of our political parties. As a republican , I understand the
103 Mariner : I don't know anyone who actually wants that. Maybe a few old-time communists or some devout religionists, but they are the exception and certainly no
104 Mt99 : We were also (technically) out of balance for the past 8 years. And who was complaining then? You sound like such a pinko communist.
105 AGM100 : Well you could go back and read every other thread here on Anet .. start back on January 20th 2001 and go though Jan 20th 2009 that should cover it.
106 Lufthansa411 : If we want our children to be competitive on the world stage, we need to, just like a business, raise our standards in line with the competition. It
107 Bhill : DfwRevolution.... "And since the private sector is vastly more efficient at creating wealth than the government, that's probably where it should stay
108 UAL777 : Do I have a crystal ball in front of me? Why oh why must you make me find the numbers...hang on....we would need the country to lose roughly an addit
109 WarRI1 : Nicely said and so true it is sad. Greed knows no bounds, as we have all found out. Just look at the cooked books.
110 Mt99 : What happened to the crystal ball you used for these statements? Did it run out of batteries?
111 AGM100 : My post was in response to the issue of teaching some social issues in public school. ( Creationism and family planning) . Not really sure what you a
112 PPVRA : No, it'll help with growth once we hit bottom. It might raise the bottom a little so it could shorten the fall a bit, but not solve it. Reduction in
113 Post contains links Mariner : So you agree with Senator McCain about rural broadband: http://thinkprogress.org/2009/01/25/mccain-broadband/ McCain: "Some of the stimulus in this p
114 PPVRA : Oh don't side me with them. I'm against any stimulus, and from what I've heard the Republicans aren't against stimulus, just against Obama's stimulus
115 Baroque : We in Aus will plead collectively guilty there, his batteries are fine, but the smoke from our "climate change induced bush fires" have fogged the vi
116 WunalaYann : I actually disagree because your statement implies that we ever had said $35t. The unravelling of the previous seven years is starting to show that m
117 Baroque : Ah well, a nice point we did not "have" it but overall we behaved as if we did. And now we are by and large behaving as if we have lost it, which not
118 Mariner : I agree with that. I think if the President has adopted every single Republican idea, they would still have boted against. But I am confused: It prov
119 Lufthansa411 : It's the economists paradigm. Which came first supply or demand. I disagree. This is the time to invest in things that take time to achieve. I would
120 UAL777 : Cute. Funny how you don't respond when I provide facts to back up my argument, yet pick out single lines and respond with sarcasm. So is it still the
121 Post contains links Mt99 : OK this is scary. You wanted 600,000 job losses per month.. Maybe you do have a crystal ball! Lets roll with your numbers and facts... Add 5 seconds
122 Windy95 : Not when you are already 10 Trillion in Debt. Climb out of the whole first and in the mean time make things last Bingo. But my plan would have them d
123 Derico : Under rational circumstances that would be true. If one day I decide to paint a white piece of paper purple with a crayon and people start calling me
124 UAL777 : You are just not seeing the point. The country would have to lose 600,000 more jobs every month until September to reach the unemployment levels seen
125 Post contains links Mariner : Let us all hope you are right. But from Bloomberg today: http://www.bloomberg.com/apps/news?p...601087&sid=a7de7X5lFGY8&refer=home Bloomberg: "U.S. s
126 Mt99 : Of course i see the point.. i was just proving to you that the rate that you implied as being improvable is what is actually happening. The last thin
127 UAL777 : No, not thanks to the stimulus package. I never said I don't worry, but whipping people into a panic with lies and preying on their lack of macroecon
128 D L X : YAWN!!!! I come on here thinking I might actually hear something new, but ALL I've heard from the conservatives on this board is a freakin' regurgitat
129 Seb146 : Yes, but when people are losing their jobs and have no prospect of ANY job, not even at McDonalds, this is going to be with us a while. Tax cuts are
130 UAL777 : I don't know how it is in other states but every fast-food place I drive by has a "Hiring" sign. I am not all about tax cuts, tax cuts, tax cuts, but
131 WarRI1 : I must wholeheartedly agree with you, it is simply amazing, like a broken record. What is the term? "Parroting" the same old line. After eight years
132 PPVRA : Gotta have both. Human nature creates plenty of demand, though, regardless of the economy. If we demanded less during bad economic times it wouldn't
133 AGM100 : Don't forget 7 year of strong growth , avg 4.6 % un unemployment , largest ever tax receipts by a government of any kind and huge market growth. Like
134 WarRI1 : It is all numbers, hard to dispute, but meanwhile look at the end result, economic chaos. It seemed to work, but obviously something was rotten in De
135 Seb146 : Can an average family survive on minimum wage for only 20 hours a week (if they are lucky to start with that many hours)? Yes! They gave Bush a blank
136 AGM100 : Well go back and read the budgets , you will be surprised I think. Looks much like the budgets under Clinton .. smart. Don't make it sound like Presi
137 WarRI1 : In R.I. highest unemploymet, or close. I hang around in a Dunkin Donuts in the afternoon, wealthiest community in R.I. per income. The owner, who I h
138 Mariner : I didn't think that, I have a fairly thick skin. But I'll throw in my two cents anyway. For much of the year, I live in a remote rural area - the woo
139 Mt99 : If it was all that wonderful how come we are were we are today? The Bonanza under Bush has proved to be full of hot air.
140 WarRI1 : Now that is the unvarnished truth, not common in the Bush years. the bonanza that never was for certain levels of income earners, a humongous bonanza
141 D L X : Let me know which reply you are referring to.
142 Seb146 : If that were true, we would not have hundreds of billions (nearing trillions) of dollars of debt. I would say it has more to do with expanding govern
143 AGM100 : So what were we supposed to do ..go find poor people and show them how to start a business and work their way up ? I still don't get the whole point
144 Mariner : My profession is full of risks - and great rewards - and yes, I expect that some part of the taxes I pay go the general good. Yes. I don't have any t
145 WarRI1 : Obviously, you miss the point, it is one thing for you to succeed, by hard work, it is quite another to succeed by politics, cronyism, curruption. No
146 Ual777 : Theres quite a few actually. What is the "Bonanza under Bush?"
147 Seb146 : But, there came a time when company bosses were rewarded and told it was okay to let go of these Joe Six Pack types and ship their jobs overseas. One
148 Post contains images Mt99 : Its like a bad porn movie. All fluff, the good parts are fake and everyone gets screwed in the end  [Edited 2009-02-18 17:56:48]
149 AGM100 : I agree , and we do . If you look at the budgets from the Bush years the spending is not much different the Clinton years. Defense went up and home l
150 WarRI1 : Why do you not say it like it is? Wait a minute! you just did.
151 Baroque : By and large it was not mis-management, it was criminal malfeasance or whatever you guys call it! Actually, they managed "it" very well. Managed to s
152 Seb146 : But, now that people are willing to work for less in this country, maybe some of those companies can bring back jobs. How can making shoes at 5 cents
153 WarRI1 : I do not think the people willingly, want to work for less. The world economy helps the pocketbooks of the wealthy, by using cheap labor. Do not hold
154 Post contains links Mt99 : Dead last week.. "Off tha Hook" along with "one armed midgets" this week CNN — Republican National Committee Chairman Michael Steele says his party
155 Seb146 : People are also willing to put a roof over their head and food on their table. Which is why Wal-Mart is so popular. How many times have we said "don'
156 WarRI1 : I read labels like a religion, I preach to my family and friends, I have been doing this for the better part of 30 years. It has been all for naught
157 WarRI1 : They certainly are. To go along with your ideas, read the thread (Country of Origin Labeling) It seems that our fine Republican friends on here did n
158 WarRI1 : I would suggest, that one might read the replies on here and one might just come to a conclusion as to "Where do these people come from"
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