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17/02 Kosovo Will Celebrate Its First Birthday  
User currently offlineFatmirJusufi From Albania, joined Jan 2009, 2441 posts, RR: 7
Posted (5 years 9 months 2 weeks 1 day 12 hours ago) and read 4138 times:

Hi all,

Almost a year passed since Kosovo declared independence from Serbia. On February 17th, our new born state will celebrate its first birthday.

Facts
Formally Recognized by 54 UN countries
(Formally recognized by 22 European Union (EU) Member States)

More
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FaD77...rl=http://www.kosovothanksyou.com/

Fatmir


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User currently offlineRussianJet From Belgium, joined Jul 2007, 7714 posts, RR: 21
Reply 1, posted (5 years 9 months 2 weeks 1 day 11 hours ago) and read 4123 times:



Quoting FatmirJusufi (Thread starter):
Formally Recognized by 54 UN countries

Interesting, I honestly thought it was more. That is only a little more than one quarter of all UN countries.



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User currently offlineOA260 From Ireland, joined Nov 2006, 27248 posts, RR: 60
Reply 2, posted (5 years 9 months 2 weeks 1 day 11 hours ago) and read 4120 times:

This article is due to be released on Tuesday .

Kosovo: One year on

Tuesday, 17 Feb 2009 00:00

Kosovo celebrates its first birthday today. But independence has not proved a miracle cure for this international headache. If anything, the situation is now worse.

Economic woes are making the current situation on the ground especially pronounced. Unemployment is hovering just short of the 50 per cent mark, shockingly high for any western European country. Crime levels remain high. Infrastructure is yet to recover.

Global failure

Serbia, having kicked out its nationalist government last year, has not financed separatist movements as many feared. But on the wider diplomatic scene this is a rare positive. The overall picture in terms of international politics is far more divided.

http://www.inthenews.co.uk/news/feat...th/kosovo-one-year-on-$1268967.htm


User currently offlineFatmirJusufi From Albania, joined Jan 2009, 2441 posts, RR: 7
Reply 3, posted (5 years 9 months 2 weeks 1 day 8 hours ago) and read 4096 times:



Quoting RussianJet (Reply 1):
Interesting, I honestly thought it was more. That is only a little more than one quarter of all UN countries.

These things gets more time. Waiting for more recognitions these days-weeks-months...
Step-by-step.

Quoting OA260 (Reply 2):
Kosovo celebrates its first birthday today. But independence has not proved a miracle cure for this international headache.

Also we didn't expect any huge miracle after independence declared. Independence it's not kinda Abracadabra thing (everything would be fine after declaration)!
We're working hard to get things in line. Still new born country but with a lot of opportunities.

Fatmir



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User currently offlineAlexEU From Serbia, joined Oct 2007, 1819 posts, RR: 2
Reply 4, posted (5 years 9 months 2 weeks 1 day 6 hours ago) and read 4082 times:

Hi,
There is a chance that Serbian parliament will hold meeting in Kosovska Mitrovica on 17th february.

Regards


User currently offlineSlz396 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 5, posted (5 years 9 months 2 weeks 20 hours ago) and read 4054 times:



Quoting FatmirJusufi (Thread starter):
Formally Recognized by 54 UN countries



Quoting RussianJet (Reply 1):
Interesting, I honestly thought it was more. That is only a little more than one quarter of all UN countries.

Disappointingly low indeed...

Basically it means the Kosovo is recognized as an independent state by the inner circle of those NATO countries pushing for its independance and their closest allied countries, who'd love to join the NATO club too. Apart from them however, not much neutral countries have taken the step to recognize the region as independent...

Quoting FatmirJusufi (Reply 3):
These things gets more time. Waiting for more recognitions these days-weeks-months...

In fact, the number of likely new recognitions of Kosovo is very low, despite there still being a large pool to tap from and apart from the initial few weeks right after Kosovo declared itself independant, the time lapse between recognitions is pretty high: 2 clear indications Kosovo's independence is seen as an abnormality by the international community.

With Kosovo being off the international agenda for so long already, the pressure on other countries to recognize the brake away region has reduced tremendously over the past few months and time definitely is not playing in the hands of Kosovo on this, so it increasingly looks like Kosovo will just stay the pseudo-state it currently is with the number of recognitions dispappointingly low and nowhere near reaching an acceptable level for a state which could be considered 'for real' by neutral observers.

Even Israel is far more widely recognized than Kosovo, yet Israel is about as thin as you can spread it to be considered anything other but an imagined country rather than a real country, present on the global scene.


User currently offlineSlz396 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 6, posted (5 years 9 months 2 weeks 20 hours ago) and read 4049 times:



Quoting FatmirJusufi (Thread starter):
Formally Recognized by 54 UN countries

The number looks more impressive than it really is...

Have a look at this map, showing which countries have recognized Kosovo's independance:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:CountriesRecognizingKosovo.svg

Predominantly NATO countries with their natural and historic allies (e.g. Sweden or Australia), their dependencies (e.g. Afganistan, South Korea), and an occasional odd state (e.g. Senegal).

But other than that... nobody.


User currently offlineRussianJet From Belgium, joined Jul 2007, 7714 posts, RR: 21
Reply 7, posted (5 years 9 months 2 weeks 20 hours ago) and read 4043 times:



Quoting Slz396 (Reply 5):
Disappointingly low indeed...

I wouldn't say 'disappointingly'.

Quoting Slz396 (Reply 5):
clear indications Kosovo's independence is seen as an abnormality by the international community.

Certainly true, despite all the hype to the contrary.



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User currently offlineFatmirJusufi From Albania, joined Jan 2009, 2441 posts, RR: 7
Reply 8, posted (5 years 9 months 2 weeks 19 hours ago) and read 4036 times:



Quoting AlexEU (Reply 4):
Hi,
There is a chance that Serbian parliament will hold meeting in Kosovska Mitrovica on 17th february.

I have read this already on headlines.
Albanian source only http://www.telegrafi.com/?id=2&a=3500

Quoting Slz396 (Reply 5):
Apart from them however, not much neutral countries have taken the step to recognize the region as independent...

Which other neutral countries?

1. Countries that will recognize the Republic of Kosova soon
(Directly or Indirectly announced by respective governments or diplomats)
Bangladesh Announcement
Egypt, Arab Rep. Announcement
Haiti Announcement
Jordan
Kuwait
New Zealand Announcement
Oman Announcement
Pakistan Announcement
Qatar Announcement
Saudi Arabia Announcement
Timor-Leste Announcement
Yemen, Rep. Announcement

Source: www.kosovothanksyou.com

Quoting Slz396 (Reply 5):
Disappointingly low indeed...

I do think it's not too low. Disappointingly not.

Fatmir



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User currently offlineSlz396 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 9, posted (5 years 9 months 2 weeks 17 hours ago) and read 4020 times:



Quoting FatmirJusufi (Reply 8):
Which other neutral countries?

Countries that are known to have an opinion of their own rather than just copy-paste their foreign policy from the text book of their sponsor (whoever that is), maybe?

I mean, do you think it is just coincidence the only 2 Asian countries to recognize Kosovo are South Korea and Japan, 2 countries whose territorial integrety and independance is guaranteed by the US army???

Or that the only central-Asian country to recognize Kosovo so far is Afganistan?

It would be a boost if for instance South Africa, India, Brasil or China would recognize your independance, as these countries are widely seen are regional (super)powers and considered to be totally outside of the sferes of influence of either side on this matter, but so far Kosovo predominantly seems to collect recognitions from states that have very strong bilateral ties with NATO, be it through political, economical or military alliances with NATO countries or by the military presence of US troops on their soil safeguarding their very own existance.... Not the kind of 'neutral' states which coild give credibility to a claim of being a truely independant nation, more an indication Kosovo is still just a NATO protectorate.

Heck, if you can't even win formal recognition of all EU countries one year after proclaiming it, you know you're a very dubious legal case, really...


User currently offlineRussianJet From Belgium, joined Jul 2007, 7714 posts, RR: 21
Reply 10, posted (5 years 9 months 2 weeks 16 hours ago) and read 4010 times:



Quoting Slz396 (Reply 9):
Heck, if you can't even win formal recognition of all EU countries one year after proclaiming it, you know you're a very dubious legal case, really...

An excellent summary of the situation. It is clear that supprt is limited for Kosovan independence.



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User currently offlineIliriBDL From Germany, joined May 2007, 1205 posts, RR: 14
Reply 11, posted (5 years 9 months 2 weeks 16 hours ago) and read 4003 times:



Quoting RussianJet (Reply 10):
An excellent summary of the situation. It is clear that supprt is limited for Kosovan independence.

No it's not limitied. 54 countries, in which you have 90% of Europe, the US + Great Britain and their sister countries like Canada, Australia, etc. Then include Japan, Turkey, on and on. That is one powerful group of friends to have IMO. (unless you hate the west and you can't admit that they're powerful)


The only reason the rest of the world hasn't recognized is because of the damn Russian diplomacy who has brought only pain and destruction for as long as that country has excited. They are working day and night to stop more recognitions from happening, probably even offering weapons / help / other things in return for that. (i'm damn sure of this)


As for the birthday, yesterday I had my birthday, tomorrow my countrys, it's a great month for me.  Smile

HAPPY BIRTHDAY KOSOVA!!! URIME DITELINDJA!!!



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User currently offlineFatmirJusufi From Albania, joined Jan 2009, 2441 posts, RR: 7
Reply 12, posted (5 years 9 months 2 weeks 14 hours ago) and read 3992 times:

Here are some pics that I took today during a city strolling.

http://i41.tinypic.com/rlwefk.jpg

http://i44.tinypic.com/2r4lqg5.jpg

http://i44.tinypic.com/2hqx72t.jpg

http://i40.tinypic.com/dvoh9l.jpg

Fatmir



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User currently offlineIliriBDL From Germany, joined May 2007, 1205 posts, RR: 14
Reply 13, posted (5 years 9 months 2 weeks 14 hours ago) and read 3986 times:

Looks beautiful Fatmir. Keep taking more pics tonight and then all day tomorrow, and please post them in this thread.  Smile


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User currently offlineFatmirJusufi From Albania, joined Jan 2009, 2441 posts, RR: 7
Reply 14, posted (5 years 9 months 2 weeks 14 hours ago) and read 3984 times:



Quoting IliriBDL (Reply 13):
Looks beautiful Fatmir. Keep taking more pics tonight and then all day tomorrow, and please post them in this thread.

Ilir, I will try to do my best. These pics I made with my brother's cellphone camera.
I plan to get tomorrow my camcorder and make some recordings. I think I'm gonna take pics also.  Smile

Little cold outside though.  cold 

Fatmir



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User currently offlineIliriBDL From Germany, joined May 2007, 1205 posts, RR: 14
Reply 15, posted (5 years 9 months 2 weeks 14 hours ago) and read 3977 times:



Quoting FatmirJusufi (Reply 14):
Ilir, I will try to do my best. These pics I made with my brother's cellphone camera.
I plan to get tomorrow my camcorder and make some recordings. I think I'm gonna take pics also. Smile

Little cold outside though. cold

Same time last year my parents were there to celebrate it. (me and my brother couldn't go because of school and work, sucks lol)

They said it was freezing during the night before and the day of the declaration.

And thanks again for the pics.  Wink



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User currently offlineFatmirJusufi From Albania, joined Jan 2009, 2441 posts, RR: 7
Reply 16, posted (5 years 9 months 2 weeks 13 hours ago) and read 3968 times:

According to weather reports temperatures tomorrow are going to be from -6C min - 2C max.

Quoting IliriBDL (Reply 15):
They said it was freezing during the night before and the day of the declaration.

I remember. It was cold like hell.  cold 
Anyway couldn't stopped thousands of people celebrating in the streets.

Quoting IliriBDL (Reply 15):
And thanks again for the pics. Wink

You're welcome, Ilir.  Smile

Fatmir



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User currently offlineAlexEU From Serbia, joined Oct 2007, 1819 posts, RR: 2
Reply 17, posted (5 years 9 months 2 weeks 13 hours ago) and read 3961 times:



Quoting IliriBDL (Reply 11):
The only reason the rest of the world hasn't recognized is because of the damn Russian diplomacy who has brought only pain and destruction for as long as that country has excited. They are working day and night to stop more recognitions from happening, probably even offering weapons / help / other things in return for that. (i'm damn sure of this)

Nobody cares about Russian diplomacy. The reason why other countries didn't recognize Kosovo is because it is against int'l law whether you like it or not.

Quoting IliriBDL (Reply 11):
As for the birthday, yesterday I had my birthday, tomorrow my countrys, it's a great month for me. Smile

Happy Birthday! Your birthday is on the same day as the national day of Serbia.

Quoting FatmirJusufi (Reply 12):
Here are some pics that I took today during a city strolling.

Nice pics! Keep them coming. I would like to see how does Pristina look these days.


User currently offlineOA260 From Ireland, joined Nov 2006, 27248 posts, RR: 60
Reply 18, posted (5 years 9 months 2 weeks 13 hours ago) and read 3960 times:



Quoting AlexEU (Reply 17):
Your birthday is on the same day as the national day of Serbia.

Yes Sretenje - Dan državnosti

----

Happy Birthday IIliri


User currently offlineIliriBDL From Germany, joined May 2007, 1205 posts, RR: 14
Reply 19, posted (5 years 9 months 2 weeks 13 hours ago) and read 3948 times:

Quoting AlexEU (Reply 17):
Happy Birthday! Your birthday is on the same day as the national day of Serbia.

Thank you Aleks,  , didn't know about Serbia's day, thanks for that as well.  

Quoting OA260 (Reply 18):
Happy Birthday IIliri

Thanks my friend.  Smile

[Edited 2009-02-16 09:47:08]


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User currently offlineRussianJet From Belgium, joined Jul 2007, 7714 posts, RR: 21
Reply 20, posted (5 years 9 months 2 weeks 12 hours ago) and read 3944 times:



Quoting AlexEU (Reply 17):
Nobody cares about Russian diplomacy. The reason why other countries didn't recognize Kosovo is because it is against int'l law whether you like it or not

So true - since when did the rest of the world not do something just because Russia didn't like it?



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User currently offlineFatmirJusufi From Albania, joined Jan 2009, 2441 posts, RR: 7
Reply 21, posted (5 years 9 months 2 weeks 12 hours ago) and read 3936 times:



Quoting AlexEU (Reply 17):
Nice pics! Keep them coming. I would like to see how does Pristina look these days.

I'll try, Alex. These photos were taken at Mother Teresa's Boulevard.

Ilir I forgot to congratulate you. Urime ditëlindja - Happy birthday.  Smile

Fatmir



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User currently offlineME AVN FAN From Switzerland, joined May 2002, 13920 posts, RR: 25
Reply 22, posted (5 years 9 months 2 weeks 12 hours ago) and read 3935 times:



Quoting OA260 (Reply 2):
But independence has not proved a miracle cure for this international headache. If anything, the situation is now worse.

-
While the situation is hardly worse, progress of course is as slow as progress usually is. Miracle cures are never to be expected

Quoting Slz396 (Reply 5):
Disappointingly low indeed...

Basically it means the Kosovo is recognized as an independent state by the inner circle of those NATO countries pushing for its independance and their closest allied countries

-
Wrong. One of the first countries to recognize the Kosovo was Switzerland, which is NOT to join NATO. Also other neutral countries did recognize the Kosovo who also are NOT to join NATO. What of course IS a hindrance is the opposition of Russia. But, as soon as more Arab countries do really recognize Kosovo, things will improve.

Quoting Slz396 (Reply 5):
Even Israel is far more widely recognized than Kosovo

-
"even Israel" ????? Sorry, first of all, Israel was established in 1948, 61 years ago, and for six decades could rely on a powerful lobby. So that your comparison is a bit weird.


User currently offlineFatmirJusufi From Albania, joined Jan 2009, 2441 posts, RR: 7
Reply 23, posted (5 years 9 months 2 weeks 11 hours ago) and read 3931 times:



Quoting ME AVN FAN (Reply 22):
But, as soon as more Arab countries do really recognize Kosovo, things will improve.

I do believe and hope that Arab countries will recognize soon our country. We have some hopeful signals from Saudi Arabia, Egypt, Oman, Yemen, Qatar, Jordan and Kuwait.
Also I want to incl. Muslim countries such as Bangladesh and Pakistan.

Fatmir



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User currently offlineME AVN FAN From Switzerland, joined May 2002, 13920 posts, RR: 25
Reply 24, posted (5 years 9 months 2 weeks 11 hours ago) and read 3915 times:



Quoting FatmirJusufi (Reply 23):
hopeful signals from Saudi Arabia, Egypt, Oman, Yemen, Qatar, Jordan and Kuwait.

-
to send out "hopeful signals" has always been a "quality" of Arab countries ! Whenever the KSA is the country with the money, your diplomacy should concentrate onto Egypt. Because as soon as you have the recognition of Egypt, many doors will be open. Do not forget that Egypt is THE heavyweight in the Arab World.


25 RussianJet : 28% of all UN nations is limited by anyone's definition. You correctly state that most of Europe close friends are the bulk of those that have recogn
26 Post contains links and images FatmirJusufi : More photos. I forgot to upload these. Fatmir
27 OA260 : No Cyrillic on those signs ,,, tut tut tut
28 AlexEU : Egypt openly supports Serbian position and actively lobbies for other Arab countries not to recognize Kosovo. Tomorrow will be the real fiesta! Swiss
29 Post contains links FatmirJusufi : I was just comparing this two articles, ten year difference http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/middle_east/332586.stm http://egyptianchronicles.blogspot.com/
30 Post contains links FatmirJusufi : They didn't have Cyrillic fonts on Photoshop. Just kidding. It's the same... important thing: it's in Serbian. Also Serb peoples don't use too much C
31 AlexEU : " target=_blank>http://egyptianchronicles.blogspot.c....html What Islamists don't realize is that most Albanians are rather American or European mind
32 FatmirJusufi : Many people mistakes differences between religion and nationality. We should distinguish these two things. Albanians incl. Albanians in Kosovo, Alban
33 OA260 : Not unless they have a good pair of binoculars which you can see from across the other side of the bridge lol...
34 ME AVN FAN : - No, the diplomatic influence of Russia is quite considerable. The Kosovo independence is not more against "international law" then the one of Slove
35 RussianJet : He clearly didn't say that. When it suits people maybe, otherwise it's normally a case of ignoring their opposition various issues and making out lik
36 Post contains links and images AlexEU : And yes, independence of Slovenia, Croatia etc. were against int'l law. They separated unilaterally, but at least Yugoslavia was a federation. But th
37 ME AVN FAN : - > "don't" ? I would say "do not yet", which is THE difference. More will follow. > India for example will not recognize Kosovo as this would anger
38 RussianJet : Semantical arguments aside, the fact is they currently do not. Whether they will or not at some point in the future is not the point I was making. As
39 FatmirJusufi : Tonight it's already a year after declaration. You thought we would be recognized from all UN countries... Nah! We are satisfied from these recognize
40 Kiqaboy : Back from the Northern Mitrovica. I has the hole day up there and it was realy cool there people were wondering around jsut as an usual day, i did som
41 ME AVN FAN : - No, it does NOT "dictate", but many countries regard their relations with Russia as being very important and do not want to alienate the Russians "
42 Post contains links FatmirJusufi : I like to see these pics. I hope also. I don't really know if these days we will get recognized by an Arab country. I wish to happen... BTW, Maldives
43 RussianJet : Nope, absolutely not - and I don't think you will be in ten years time either.
44 FatmirJusufi : We don't need to get recognized from all countries entering in UN. Just to remember you. Wait till our next anniversary. Fatmir
45 OA260 : To be honest I dont think much will have changed. The situation on the ground will be the same, a handful of non important countries will have recogn
46 AlexEU : Russia couldn't stop '99 NATO aggression on Yugoslavia. Don't forget! Are you working for a TV station? That's a good news, but I hope that we will n
47 RussianJet : Not all of course, but a decent proportioni would be good in order to be taken seriously. I agree.
48 OA260 : LOL.... It might be the Former Maldive Republic of Atlantis by then It wont be and for one pure reason that the EU knows Serbia will rather halt EU m
49 RussianJet : Possibly, but let's not take anything away from the Maldives recognition - hey, you never know, maybe Nauru will be the next ones to formally recogni
50 OA260 : Or maybe even my Dads home country Guyana , although they dont recognise anything unless you pay them in $$$ for it .
51 FatmirJusufi : I have read in newspapers that Maldivian people are gathering funds to buy new home land! (somewhere around South-East Asia) Let's get first their re
52 Kiqaboy : Yes AlexEu and i got hired by an Dubai video production to make an Documentary, it is supposed to help Kosova in the Muslim world countries which have
53 Lufthansa411 : I think you both will find the main reason that many countries are not recognizing Kosovo is because they have their own "rebel" population to deal w
54 AlexEU : Guyana is a pretty weird country (in geographical terms), its a curiousity indeed! Nauru already recognized you few months ago D Kosovaris prefer Mon
55 Post contains images RussianJet : Darn, how could I have missed that one? More to the point, who persuaded both of its inhabitants to do so? [Edited 2009-02-18 02:06:14]
56 OA260 : They flipped a coin. Maldives
57 FatmirJusufi : Both of them. Others prefer going in Turkey also.
58 Sabenapilot : An interesting question would be how do Kosovaris visit any of the countries which haven't recognized them? And with that I don't mean Spain or Greec
59 Post contains links and images FatmirJusufi : Have Georgia, Thailand, Morocco and Iraq recognized us yet? Nope. Can we travel there? Yep. How it's possible? See below. Georgia Thailand Morocco Ira
60 RussianJet : A nation not recognising another 'country' is not necessarily a barrier to people from that place travelling to that nation. For example, people from
61 AlexEU : It's a shame to see a Georgian visa in Kosovo passport. I think they should first allow Abkhazians and South Ossetians to enter their country. Btw, If
62 RussianJet : Indeed, but by legitimising Kosovo in any way Georgia only serves to weaken her position in respect of Abkhazia and South Ossetia.
63 IliriBDL : That's what they say, but they will only stop you if you get a hardcore border patrol dude who hates everything Albanian and therefore turn you aroun
64 OA260 : Very true . Georgia does not have any high ground anyway. Its a bit of a mess but thats a totally different thread.
65 IliriBDL : They used cyrillic on the passport. Happy? lol
66 OA260 : Funny they use it on a passport and not on a major independance advertising board In a true and fair system all signs would be in all languages in al
67 Post contains images FatmirJusufi : Here's Rruga/Street/Ulica Bill Clinton Happy? Fatmir
68 IliriBDL : lol the advertising board was done by Thaci apparently, can't expect that much from him. (I don't like him or his party to tell you the truth, I perso
69 FatmirJusufi : I don't think so! He's not such a great designer making that wonderful ad board! Maybe it was only his idea... Fatmir
70 RussianJet : Where is ул. ?
71 IliriBDL : It doesn't have to be in cyrillic, Serbians can perfectly understand the version we're speaking right now. Now if that is stopping Russia and Serbia
72 RussianJet : I'm sure they can, and I'm sure they can understand what the Albanian abbreviation for street is in the context it is displayed, but that's not the p
73 IliriBDL : Haha, it'll happen my friend. How long? Anywhere from 2 to 10 years is my guess.
74 ME AVN FAN : - The countries who already DID recognize Kosovo are NOT "non important". And I can only say about the importance of any particular country AFTER the
75 AlexEU : It was an agression whether you like it or not, and nothing justifice it. Milosevic was a dictatore, but I would rather live 30 years under his rule,
76 FatmirJusufi : I like that name. Sounds cool. Fatmir
77 OA260 : What a Ethnic Albanian name LOL.... I know its tacky when you have to name streets after foreign presidents. Its also divisive. Bill Clinton was the
78 ME AVN FAN : - it was action against the aggression against the Kosovaris, and so, at least as such, WAS justified. That the bombardments were done rather excessi
79 OA260 : But where there are two different communities in a country that reports to protect the rights and views of the minority then it is advisable to steer
80 IliriBDL : Phillip, the Kosovo Serbs still think that no Albanian citizens were killed during the war and that no massacres happened. There is no talking to them
81 ME AVN FAN : - By such criterias you some time in the future will oppose a Hacim Thaci Boulevard
82 OA260 : Not true , none of my friends in Belgrade or from Kosovo say anything like that. They fully admit what happened and regret it. It was done by a dicta
83 RussianJet : I don't think that is true, and doesn't represent the views of those with Serbian connecitions I know. Seems to be a very counter-productive thing to
84 IliriBDL : That's why I said the Serbs from Kosovo, because the Serbs from Belgrade are 90% moderate and agree that Kosovo needs to be independent. It's the res
85 RussianJet : Nope, it just seems that way the way the last hundred or so years have worked out. It might be nice and convenient to try and dismiss people's impres
86 OA260 : They dont actually. They still think Kosovo should be part of Serbia but they dont agree with the deaths that happened on all sides. Dont forget it w
87 Asturias : Nor could it be considering the EU as such has no real policy on Kosovo, and certainly does not recognize Kosovo as a country. Some EU members do, ot
88 Post contains links AlexEU : In Belgrade we have G. Washington street, T. Roosevelt, Kennedy... The whole multiethnic Kosovo (Bush, Ahtisaari, Obama) is just a propaganda. It can
89 RussianJet : Maybe one day, but NATO is already a ridiculous relic of the past and the EU may well become so if everyone gets to join eventually, so don't get too
90 Post contains links OA260 : But we were all conned into being told by the USA / Some of the EU and NATO that : 1: Kosovo would NOT set a precident for other Independance claims
91 OA260 : Iceland is looking for a loan from Kosovo LOL... LOL... I hear Iraq is in accession talks and Iran is in this years Eurovision .
92 RussianJet : Precisely. I look forward to Morocco's application.
93 OA260 : They actually were to be in the Eurovision lol.. but they said they were intending to show adverts during Israels song and thus broke EBU law and wer
94 AlexEU : ''Axis of evil'' Where are North Korea and Syria when we need them! I hope that you country is not supporting Serbian case because of Catalonia and B
95 RussianJet : Probably busy planning their EU accession bids.
96 OA260 : # You should set up a website Alex. '' Serbia Thanks you '' lol...
97 RussianJet : Excellent plan. Count on my support.
98 IliriBDL : Yep and the point is you don't understand our side. All you believe is, what the Serbian govt will say in the case of Kosovo and you've already made
99 IliriBDL : But deep down in your heart Aleks you know that Spain has not recognized yet just because of Catalonia and Basque, they have no interest in Serbia, s
100 RussianJet : It's a deal.
101 OA260 : Thats not true and you know it . Good because KLA terrorists murdered and tortured also. Sorry thousands of Albanians making money in Greece and thei
102 Asturias : Don't be naive enough to think Kosovo will be allowed to become an apple of discord among the established EU nations. That's just to prevent you from
103 Post contains links OA260 : Knock knock IIiri.... The EU and the UK made statements to that effect last week that Serbias recognitian on Kosovo is not at all a pre condition to
104 Post contains links OA260 : European Parliament deputy Doris Pack tells Balkan Insight . Kosovo for its part should not get ahead of itself with only one year of independence und
105 Post contains links IliriBDL : First of all KLA is not a terrorist organization, second of all KLA as a whole didn't torture anyone and didn't operate on the rules of destroying th
106 RussianJet : Oh yes it most certainly is, and always was - in the most direct sense of the world. Some of the international community may have chose to justify it
107 Asturias : It's not an apple, it's an apple of discord. It's part of the European heritage to recognize that phrase, though that is hardly high on your list of
108 FatmirJusufi : Hashim Thaci. Yeah, it's true. Yesterday I saw TV program. As I saw Serbs in Belgrade doesn't care too much about Kosovo. Chameria as well. It's not
109 OA260 : Myth . KLA were no different from ETA or the IRA. Myth I know people that do and I have seen many reports incl. on CNN/Sky News/BBC and Al Jazeera th
110 AlexEU : Yes, and you went there to protect yourself from double war (UCK-Yugoslavia plus NATO bombing). A lot of children developed cancer in Kosovo because
111 OA260 : Hmm but wait and see how they will turn on them when they dont get their own way.
112 FatmirJusufi : Alex, who started war first on February 28th, 1999 in Llaushë killing and massacring innocent people. Then on March 5th, 1999 in Prekaz. Who started
113 OA260 : Albania was occupied by Italian forces in April 1939. Greece was attacked by Italy in November 1940, but a bloody stalemate resulted that ultimately r
114 AlexEU : Over a million Serbs left their home also in order to find a better life in diaspora (Germany, USA, Austria, Switzerland, Australia...) Indeed. And e
115 Post contains links FatmirJusufi : How do you mean 'occupied by Albania'? Almost all Jews living within Albanian borders during the German occupation– those of Albanian origin and re
116 FatmirJusufi : I forgot to add: Albanian Partisans Legalitet (organization based in North Albania) vs Kingdom of Italy Nazi Germany In other hand stood 'Balli Kombë
117 FatmirJusufi : Kosovo-Serbs?
118 OA260 : It is interesting to note that the EU has ordered Kosovo to withdraw school books preaching hate and warped history from ALL schools in Kosovo Albania
119 FatmirJusufi : I don't if there's any available history book in my roof(during my studies in elementary and high school). Then I would like to show you there's no h
120 Post contains links FatmirJusufi : Maldives recognized us officially. Hooray! English http://www.foreign.gov.mv/v3/?p=news&view=sep&nid=3042 Albanian http://www.gazetaexpress.com/index.
121 OA260 : Its well reported. Even in the Balkan press. When do the weekly A380 flights start between PRN and Maldives??
122 RussianJet : Weekly? I would have thought thrice daily, with a stop-over in Nauru on the way (a silly routing I know, but since when did any of this make sense?)
123 FatmirJusufi : Have your gratefully daily flights to MLE by your own airports then we can talk about PRN. Fatmir
124 RussianJet : Which airports might those be? I believe there are flights from LHR.
125 FatmirJusufi : Am I talking with an Englishman?
126 RussianJet : I'm afraid so, Sir. Pay no heed to the flag.
127 FatmirJusufi : I thought I will get an answer like this.
128 AlexEU : The best thing for Kosovo is independence without recognition. Such as Taiwan. That way both Serbs and Albanians will be satisfied. No, I meant all Se
129 Post contains links FatmirJusufi : Actually I have UNMIK one... until it expires on May. As I know we don't need visas getting travel to: Albania FYROM Turkey Montenegro (Available wit
130 ME AVN FAN : - IF propaganda, then rather dull propaganda ! The Kosovo Republic from its basic concept is ethnically defined, and in reality practically cannot re
131 Kiqaboy : AlexEu I was so busy with work today but now im free and i read the hole thread, sorry to say but you are totally wrong about NATO and the things you
132 Post contains links Kiqaboy : BTW this is a great video and once again thanks a lot to our friend that has given us the big help to bring freedom here so that the word Genocide wou
133 FatmirJusufi : Independence without recognition. You really made me laugh. Recognitions are continuing. Currently it's already 55 UN countries. You meant only Serbs
134 OA260 : Yes both sides are guilty of that. Serbs killed Albanians and Albanians killed Serbs . That is the truth.
135 ME AVN FAN : - this is something I fail to understand. I could understand that Poland wanted to join NATO, but I find it a bit difficult to understand why almost
136 AlexEU : And if you want to travel to mainland Serbia what procedures you have to go through since we don't recognize your passport? Well, that's just my opin
137 FatmirJusufi : Hmm, no idea! Maybe we don't have any single possibility getting there! You're welcome in PRN, Alex. Fatmir
138 IliriBDL : I can travel to Serbia with the American passport. lol But yeah we should go forward with those meets in the next year or so.
139 OA260 : Non Rev to FRA with the LH A380 then connect ? There is a company doing a tour of the Airbus factory with the tour of the LH A380 being built. Id lov
140 FatmirJusufi : Do you plan coming in PRN this summer, Ilir? Fatmir
141 IliriBDL : I'd love to tour the Airbus factory. And that's the way to do it with the LH A380. (best airline and best plane lol) I doubt it, maybe late summer, l
142 OA260 : Well for me it will be a much better chance for me to cash in my Star miles for J class on LH unlike the crooks that are SQ. JFK will suit me also fo
143 IliriBDL : double post lol, just delete it[Edited 2009-02-20 14:13:40]
144 IliriBDL : Yeah with the dollar being so weak. lol Not sure man, I'll check it out though.
145 FatmirJusufi : Sure!
146 AlexEU : And you're welcome 2 BEG ! I'd rather fly an old classic beauty such as Lockheed Constellation in Switzerland or Air Events flights with Il-18 in Mol
147 RussianJet : Thanks for the extensive info, but I was talking about the EU.
148 FatmirJusufi : Who's going to make the first move? I don't know if our passports (even UNMIK ones) are recognized there? Fatmir
149 IliriBDL : We should meet at a neutral country like Montenegro or Macedonia first. haha
150 FatmirJusufi : Great idea, indeed! Or in Albania, though. Fatmir
151 OA260 : Good you can all get cheap flights to SKG
152 FatmirJusufi : From SKP?
153 ME AVN FAN : - which reminds me of an interview of the "Spiegel" with statesman Vaclav Havel, who when asked about the separation of Czechia and Slovakia said tha
154 AlexEU : That's where I am planing to go in april for few days off... Cheapest flights with JU from BEG I found on JU website is 150 euro, which is somehow ch
155 FatmirJusufi : It's a bit expensive. Taking train, it's not too bad choice. Same here. Never been there. I have also been in Durrës, Tirana and other cities. Saran
156 OA260 : Thats not bad. The train is along time but Id love to do it some day just to see the land. Me also . Although Id like to see Budva one day. I remembe
157 ME AVN FAN : - As Israel DEFACTO indeed IS a European country (Arab ? no / Asian ? hardly) its place in the longer run IS in the EU, and on the basis of what I he
158 FatmirJusufi : OK, let's make a meeting in TIA. Which year? I guess before 2003... Fatmir
159 OA260 : Would be a nice trip. I saw some cool fares though to PRN from UK . We have staff offers at work Via our staff travel dept and I was really surprised
160 Kiqaboy : well I think that we should arrange a meting no mater were TIA is just great there is a good night life going on there and a nice city to visit, and a
161 ME AVN FAN : - I see incredibly low fares ZRH-PRN advertised by Kosovaris travel agencies in ZRH all the time. Suggest you all join the next A-Net ZRH meet.
162 OA260 : LOL... Well I certainly wont be doing a Trip report on that one I will meet you guys after that stuff. But thats a Swiss meet !! We want a Balkan mee
163 FatmirJusufi : Kiqa is great idea. Sure we can arrange one. When will take place next A.net meet in ZRH? I think I could join after I don't have any problem getting
164 Kiqaboy : ME AVN FAN when is the ZHR meeting cause right now i have an Shengen visa that is valid until august the 11 i think, and if it is summer the prices ar
165 Post contains images FatmirJusufi : Last summer 12 EUR one way flight PRN-ZRH.  EDIT: But during summer peak... really hot prices! It's great deal if you make a flight when Kosovo-Alba
166 ME AVN FAN : - it is a meet in Switzerland, but the participants are from all over Europe usually. And in the restaurants the personnel speaks Albanian or Serbian
167 FatmirJusufi : I hope if will take place in June. Then I'll look possibilities... Sorry ME AVN FAN, maybe I got misunderstand. I was twice in Switzerland, not on an
168 AlexEU : Hi all, JU canceled their flights to TIA, and I am not sure if they will recontinue the service in summer. As Fatmir said I am also not standing good
169 OA260 : Yes I know for sure they used ZRH as I remember looking into that and asked my friend Dejan what flights the DC-10 was on. It was quite erratic and s
170 FatmirJusufi : For me stands only TGD. Need Schengen visas for SKG or BUD. Yep... there are buses also. But as you said take more time! More prefer traveling with p
171 OA260 : They are a real pain to get. Greece used to give visas for tourism very easily but then the EU has clamped down and made it alot harder to get. Some
172 IliriBDL : Doing the meeting in ZRH would be great. (much easier to get there from the states than the balkans lol)
173 Kiqaboy : Guys if ZHR meeting is not possible than just lave it we can make an meeting in one of these neighbor countries it is possible cost les and we do not
174 FatmirJusufi : Kiqa, it's great idea indeed. Alex, as Kiqa said we can take you (not only you, I think there's in BEG are other A.net fellows as well) in Merdare, o
175 TowerEye : What are the security issues of traveling throughout Serbian south province? Is it safe? Could one walk the streets freely? Speek it's native language
176 ME AVN FAN : - arriving at and departing from the same place as those from/to Belgrade. The place therefore has become nicknamed "Balkan-Platz" many years ago !
177 FatmirJusufi : It's a state called Kosovo. Sure! Everyone. Believe me... you can speak your own language without a single hesitation! Sure you can drive your car in
178 OA260 : Kosovo Telecom Still Uses Serbia Prefix, Free Kosovo is still using Serbia’s +381 international dialling code for its land lines, despite having no
179 Post contains links TowerEye : No, it is Serbian south province of Kosovo. http://www.un.org/Depts/Cartographic/map/profile/serbia.pdf Thank you for other info. I would like to vis
180 Post contains links OA260 : The EU decided not to change their maps also . http://europa.eu/abc/maps/index_en.htm I guess whilst there is no 100% consensus on Kosovo it will rema
181 FatmirJusufi : TowerEye, wake up. It's just a dream. I bet! 0% chance... E.g. In Gjilan, a south-eastern city of Kosovo, all Serbs drive their cars still with GL re
182 ME AVN FAN : - There is no such "province" anymore. You should become updated to realities of present times.
183 OA260 : Well there is according to countries that have not recognised Kosovo as an Independant nation so until such time as there is full or near to full maj
184 OA260 : It must also be noted that just half the number of countries that Prime Minister Hashim Thaci had predicted a year ago have recognised Kosovo.
185 ME AVN FAN : Rubbish, it is not disputed, and would not even be so by only a dozen countries officially recognizing the new country. You can of course raise the l
186 ME AVN FAN : - Mr Thaci simply overestimated the importance of the Balkans in the world in general and of his country in particular. The countries from whom he ex
187 Post contains links and images OA260 : Of course it is. Just because YOU think that its not is not the reality in the UN and with the majority of countries around the globe. How you can sa
188 FatmirJusufi : It's 21 other Arab countries excl. UAE (already recognized us).
189 OA260 : Asia / South America / Central America / Africa ?? Thats a huge amount of the globe .
190 Post contains links FatmirJusufi : I have just found an interesting event. Check it out http://www.flyingforkosovo.com/
191 OA260 : I cant see what he can do where your leaders have failed.
192 AlexEU : Nice idea for the Balkan meet, but we could wait at least of the summer. TIA or TGD are good ideas, but anybody is welcome in BEG also (I know that Ko
193 FatmirJusufi : Sure we are humans! You are wrong. Everyone should give his contribute for more recognitions. Artists, athletes, everyone...and pilots as well. Haha.
194 IliriBDL : Doesn't matter if you recognize or not, we are independent and there is nothing changing that in the next 100 billion years. (until every albanian al
195 ME AVN FAN : - Your idea that those who have not yet recognized the Kosovo Republic dispute it is baseless. For such a small country, to have got the official rec
196 OA260 : Your arguement is baseless and I suggest you might like to do some more research as your knowledge of the Balkans is lacking to say the least. Go rea
197 OA260 : I thought you were Kosovans Good to know its working LOL.... When you gonna get your own international telephone code??
198 IliriBDL : His knowledge of the Balkans is great, I wish there were more people on earth like him, who won't buy the Russian/Serbian propaganda. What crime stat
199 OA260 : Just because he agrees with you makes him an expert... Yeah sure lol... Keep drinking the Kool aid. I dont think so . What rubbish. I walk around Ath
200 OA260 : The rise in juvenile crime is also alarming but I guess with the average salary of just € 200 per month and more than half of the people live in pov
201 Post contains links FatmirJusufi : Of course. The latest example. Arta Dobroshi, our actress was part of Berlinale 2009 jury. Great news to promote our new country. Aghh... don't start
202 OA260 : Its fact. Do you dispute EU figures? Do you not recognise them? What parts of EU law and organisations does Kosovo recognise and what parts do they n
203 FatmirJusufi : Same here! What's the problem? Remind us. Fatmir
204 OA260 : You either know or you dont? Whats the website you use to look at your crime statistics?
205 ME AVN FAN : - I did and they indeed are relatively bad. But if you base your personal ways when travelling on crime statistics you had to stay in the hotel many
206 FatmirJusufi : Every country has crimes as well as Kosovo. It's not as you pretend. You imagine me living everyday with fear as I go buying 1kg apple at shop then ba
207 Post contains links TowerEye : Well, 72% of the UN member states around the world have an opinion that YOU are living in a dream. And what is worst, your dream has changed lives of
208 ME AVN FAN : - uuuuh; and according to those statistics, 150 grams of this kilo is stolen from you, and you have a wound from having been shot somehow ?!
209 TowerEye : I didn't want to point out the basic crime rates. There is crime in every country, especially in regions like Kosovo. I was wondering about ethnic re
210 FatmirJusufi : Be patient. Wait till next year... and then will see the charts. " target=_blank>http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=krPOT...9ZkPU Who was doing analyses?
211 FatmirJusufi : As I said above. You DON'T have to worry about that. If you want to prove... just pay a bus ticket BEG - PRN and become an eyewitness about our daily
212 TowerEye : Be patient = waiting for "reality" to become real?
213 Post contains links OA260 : Rates of 'hate crimes' against minorities were most pronounced in France, Denmark, the UK and the Benelux countries, with the lowest levels in Italy,
214 Post contains links OA260 : Hague prosecution to investigate alleged organ harvesting in Albania 03/10/2008 TIRANA, Albania -- A delegation of prosecutors from the UN war crimes
215 ME AVN FAN : - No doubt about this, but "hate crimes" in fact are only a small part of overall crime. This does not make it any better, it just means that the lik
216 Post contains links OA260 : Mind you there is something that unites both :: KOSOVSKA MITROVICA: Unlike politicians still at loggerheads over Kosovo, the Balkan territory’s Alb
217 Kiqaboy : It is just mater of time and Republic of Kosova will be an country with an seat in the UN. That thing is done in the withe house(USA) with its allies.
218 FatmirJusufi : Unfortunately, smuggling network. Again I must point out... there's no ethnic crime here anymore. Any of you feel free visiting Kosovo's cities. Grea
219 AlexEU : Kosovo is part of Portugal These Kosovo a.net topics are the longest, we could write a book about Kosovo-a.net relations.
220 OA260 : I dont doubt that . Most people in the Balkans are and especially the younger generations. The EU money ( 2.3 Billions Since 1999 ) goes into Kosovo
221 FatmirJusufi : 220 replies. As it seems we should split by parts. Just for fun. And the Oscar goes to... Fatmir
222 OA260 : Sure could but it also shows that we can say what we like ( within reason of course ) and there are few if zero deletions in all of this thread so it
223 FatmirJusufi : Most famous, John Ashley KEK (Kosovo Energy Corporation) manager.
224 OA260 : Thats the problem with these operations you will always get those who want to line their own pockets rather than help the people and solve the issue
225 FatmirJusufi : Anyway this happened two or three years ago. Now we got almost all competences in KEK, Police, Customs etc. Our locals are breeeding their pockets no
226 Kiqaboy : hahahaha Yep AlexEu we are just blaming each other we should forget these and really plan the A.net meeting in Balkans.
227 OA260 : I dont know her ancestory . I only know as far back when she and her family were exiled during the military coup in Greece. I like her though and she
228 Post contains links FatmirJusufi : 228 replies already. I'm to going to create a new thread named: Balkans relations. See you there fellows. http://www.airliners.net/aviation-fo...ms/no
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