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Obama's Address To Congress  
User currently offlineStasisLAX From United States of America, joined Jul 2007, 3280 posts, RR: 6
Posted (5 years 6 months 5 days 11 hours ago) and read 2136 times:

First off, Captain Sully Sullenberger, hero of the US Airways flight that landed on the Hudson River last month, was just introduced and given a huge round of applause. He's been to the President's inauguration, Vanity Fair's Oscar party and now this. He's having quite a month.

Here's the full text of the President's speech: http://latimesblogs.latimes.com/wash...ngton/2009/02/obama-text-spee.html

Let the pollitical and economic debates begin!

[Edited 2009-02-24 18:39:49]


"Those who would give up essential liberty to purchase temporary safety deserve neither liberty nor safety!" B.Franklin
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User currently offlineKlaus From Germany, joined Jul 2001, 21442 posts, RR: 54
Reply 1, posted (5 years 6 months 5 days 10 hours ago) and read 2126 times:

"...and I believe the nation that invented the automobile can not walk away from it!"

We won't! Big grin


User currently offlineStasisLAX From United States of America, joined Jul 2007, 3280 posts, RR: 6
Reply 2, posted (5 years 6 months 5 days 10 hours ago) and read 2124 times:

"That is why I’m bringing together businesses and workers, doctors and health care providers, Democrats and Republicans to begin work on this issue next week. I suffer no illusions that this will be an easy process. It will be hard. But I also know that nearly a century after Teddy Roosevelt first called for reform, the cost of our health care has weighed down our economy and the conscience of our nation long enough.

So let there be no doubt: health care reform cannot wait, it must not wait, and it will not wait another year."

You rock, Mr. President  bigthumbsup 



"Those who would give up essential liberty to purchase temporary safety deserve neither liberty nor safety!" B.Franklin
User currently offlinePilotNTrng From United States of America, joined Dec 2003, 897 posts, RR: 3
Reply 3, posted (5 years 6 months 5 days 10 hours ago) and read 2114 times:

Is there an A.Net smily face for a shovel and rubber boots? It's getting thicker each second he speaks.


Booooo Lois, Yaaaa Beer!!!
User currently offlineStasisLAX From United States of America, joined Jul 2007, 3280 posts, RR: 6
Reply 4, posted (5 years 6 months 5 days 10 hours ago) and read 2096 times:



Quoting Klaus (Reply 1):
We won't!

The President needs a history lesson, I agree.

The automobile was NOT invented here in the U.S. It was invented in Germany by Karl Benz. The President should have said something along the lines of “The nation that perfected the mass production of the automobile making cars available to average citizens” since Henry Ford would definitely gets credit for that achievement....



"Those who would give up essential liberty to purchase temporary safety deserve neither liberty nor safety!" B.Franklin
User currently offlineKlaus From Germany, joined Jul 2001, 21442 posts, RR: 54
Reply 5, posted (5 years 6 months 5 days 10 hours ago) and read 2090 times:

From my outside view a very good speech, setting exactly the right priorities as far as I can tell. Not that it'll be a walk in the park or without contention.

User currently offlineRCoulter From United States of America, joined Apr 2007, 545 posts, RR: 0
Reply 6, posted (5 years 6 months 5 days 10 hours ago) and read 2090 times:

The only thing I didn't like was the "...and reform our defense budget so that we're not paying for Cold War-era weapons systems we don't use." in the defense part of the speech. To me that would mean the Raptor...

[Edited 2009-02-24 19:39:28]

User currently offlineDragon-wings From United States of America, joined Apr 2001, 3982 posts, RR: 0
Reply 7, posted (5 years 6 months 5 days 10 hours ago) and read 2092 times:

I always get a kick out of watching these speaches and seeing how many times they stand and applause the president. (and seeing how some of the room stands and some don't)


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User currently offlineKlaus From Germany, joined Jul 2001, 21442 posts, RR: 54
Reply 8, posted (5 years 6 months 5 days 10 hours ago) and read 2084 times:



Quoting StasisLAX (Reply 4):
The automobile was NOT invented here in the U.S. It was invented in Germany by Karl Benz. The President should have said something along the lines of “The nation that perfected the mass production of the automobile making cars available to average citizens” since Henry Ford would definitely gets credit for that achievement....

Indeed. It's really just splitting hairs, but it was a funny moment nevertheless. Obama can sleep well in that regard at least.


User currently offlineANITIX87 From United States of America, joined Mar 2005, 3303 posts, RR: 13
Reply 9, posted (5 years 6 months 5 days 10 hours ago) and read 2063 times:
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Quoting StasisLAX (Thread starter):
He's been to the President's inauguration, Vanity Fair's Oscar party and now this. He's having quite a month.

Don't forget the Superbowl!

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User currently offlineAGM100 From United States of America, joined Dec 2003, 5407 posts, RR: 16
Reply 10, posted (5 years 6 months 5 days 9 hours ago) and read 2055 times:

Brilliant , but wrong . He is good though , wow the guy is just on fire and pushing a mighty agenda in his first term... over reaching big time. Sad.

Great delivery , great inspirational speaker .



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User currently offlineKen777 From United States of America, joined Mar 2004, 8222 posts, RR: 8
Reply 11, posted (5 years 6 months 5 days 9 hours ago) and read 2036 times:



Quoting Klaus (Reply 1):
We won't! 

Maybe he could have said "affordable car" no way can my wallet handle a MB.

Overall a good speech - at least the parts I paid attention to. Obama has been very good in communicating since the primaries and is only getting better. It also helps that he's a very bright guy and is bringing in some bright people to help him.

Obama's Q&A session with the governors, economists, etc yesterday showed he is informed and thoughtful on his feet - tonight was just an addition to the reputation.

I actually believe that if there is not too much resistance from the opposition Obama and this country might actually improve a lot over the next 12 - 24 months.


User currently offlineCharles79 From Puerto Rico, joined Mar 2007, 1331 posts, RR: 6
Reply 12, posted (5 years 6 months 5 days 9 hours ago) and read 2031 times:



Quoting Klaus (Reply 1):
"...and I believe the nation that invented the automobile can not walk away from it!"

We won't!

Brilliant, Klaus, Brilliant!!!

Quoting RCoulter (Reply 6):
The only thing I didn't like was the "...and reform our defense budget so that we're not paying for Cold War-era weapons systems we don't use." in the defense part of the speech. To me that would mean the Raptor...

But he's right though...the Raptor, though capable as it may be, it's an overkill when you look at the kind of battles we've had and foresee in the future. I spent 4 years in the Air Force developing new weapons systems and even though my exposure was limited to about a half dozen programs ALL of them were filled with excessive requirements sterming from the Cold War era. You end up worse off because not only you spend 3, 4, even 5 times as much as you should but you also face long delays due to the complexity of the new systems. Believe me, you can cut spending in new defense programs by a third and still have a very well equipped military.

Quoting AGM100 (Reply 10):
Brilliant , but wrong .

I wouldn't dismiss all of it as wrong though...

Quoting AGM100 (Reply 10):
wow the guy is just on fire and pushing a mighty agenda in his first term... over reaching big time. Sad.

That I agree with. Unfortunately he feels like he has to deliver what he feels the previous administration didn't. Let's face it, we spent very little in domestic infrastructure, health care, and research the past 8 years so the nation is in dire need of a facelift. Unfortunately someone forgot to tell Obama that not everything has to be done at the same time within his first 2 months.

Quoting Klaus (Reply 5):
From my outside view a very good speech, setting exactly the right priorities as far as I can tell. Not that it'll be a walk in the park or without contention.

The greatness of the speech aside, it will indeed be a very steep mountain to climb for him and his administration. AGM has it right, too overreaching in his first term, though most of it badly needed. Prioritization will be the driving force for his first term.


User currently offlineMdsh00 From United States of America, joined May 2004, 4124 posts, RR: 8
Reply 13, posted (5 years 6 months 5 days 9 hours ago) and read 2020 times:



Quoting AGM100 (Reply 10):

The way I look at it is that he is just trying to "show his cards" from the beginning. I don't think (at least I hope) that he will try to tackle all these issues early in this term, but just to state his ambitions.



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User currently offlineWarRI1 From United States of America, joined Sep 2007, 8872 posts, RR: 10
Reply 14, posted (5 years 6 months 5 days 9 hours ago) and read 2011 times:

I liked the part about "no one under 250K will pay a dime more in taxes. I guess all you A Netters out there over 250K watchout! Rightfully so by the way. I also loved the line about removing tax breaks and incentives for corporations to ship jobs overseas. All in all, a great speech for the worker and average American. Hope for fairness finally, seriously lacking for eight agonizing years. You could almost see the republicans trying not to grimace on camera. Laughable.  bigthumbsup   bigthumbsup   bigthumbsup 


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User currently offlineKen777 From United States of America, joined Mar 2004, 8222 posts, RR: 8
Reply 15, posted (5 years 6 months 5 days 7 hours ago) and read 1965 times:



Quoting Charles79 (Reply 12):
Unfortunately someone forgot to tell Obama that not everything has to be done at the same time within his first 2 months.

I think that Obama was well aware of the need to put everything on the table tonight that he he wants to achieve. In less than 12 months all members of the House and a third of the Senate will be gearing up for re-election. For them getting re-elected will be more important than taking care of our problems.

There are a lot of jobs to get done, but we're paying 435 members of the house good salaries (and $1 Million+ for staff) to get that job done.

Same in the Senate. 100 people plus large salaries. No excuse for either the House or Senate to not get on with the job.


User currently offlineNIKV69 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 16, posted (5 years 6 months 5 days 7 hours ago) and read 1954 times:



Quoting Klaus (Reply 1):
and I believe the nation that invented the automobile can not walk away from it!"

Great then get Germany to send GM money. As far as I care that company can die.

Quoting StasisLAX (Reply 2):
So let there be no doubt: health care reform cannot wait, it must not wait, and it will not wait another year."

Neither can I to wait to hear who is going to pay for it. Oh wait that's right the rich people when he raises their taxes. This ought to be good.

Quoting StasisLAX (Reply 4):
The President needs a history lesson, I agree.

No just the speech writer.

Quoting WarRI1 (Reply 14):
I also loved the line about removing tax breaks and incentives for corporations to ship jobs overseas.

You forget is was the high taxes that caused them to ship them overseas?


All in all more fluff and not much else. The part where he tried to say we invented the auto and said we won't turn our backs on them must have made the UAW feel great. I guess since we invented flight we will start bailing out the airlines next? Still going to be great in 3 months to see what Obama does when GM comes back to congress saying they need emergency money or the whole country will collapse if GM does. Give me a break and declare already.


User currently offlineTugger From United States of America, joined Apr 2006, 5506 posts, RR: 8
Reply 17, posted (5 years 6 months 5 days 6 hours ago) and read 1946 times:



Quoting Klaus (Reply 1):
We won't!

Yeah, I grimaced when I heard that, too easy to get right.

Quoting Dragon-wings (Reply 7):
I always get a kick out of watching these speaches and seeing how many times they stand and applause the president. (and seeing how some of the room stands and some don't)

The interesting thing was to hear how many times everyone in the room applauded or stood and did so. An good orator with an inspirational speach will do that.

Quoting NIKV69 (Reply 16):
Neither can I to wait to hear who is going to pay for it. Oh wait that's right the rich people when he raises their taxes. This ought to be good.

Actually everyone will, not just the wealthy. And if we let taxes return to what Reagan and Bush 1 set in motion, the country's funding will likely balance back out again like it did back then.

Quoting NIKV69 (Reply 16):
You forget is was the high taxes that caused them to ship them overseas?

No it doesn't, at least not exclusively. Most companies have no problem having expenses meet income and pay little taxes. In fact for as high as our corporate rate is, most companies pay similar or less taxes as those in other countries. I do think the USA should lower the corporate tax rate and also close loopholes, keep it simple.

As to health care, we can save a lot of money if we reduce the number of systems we have and just open all to use by everyone, and this can be done with private companies and non profits. In the USA we have Medicare, VA, military, private, public clinics and state based systems, add to that the various control and payment systems and you see the inefficiencies immediately. It's crazy to have so much duplication and overlap and not have a superior heath system to other countries.

Tugg



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User currently offlineStasisLAX From United States of America, joined Jul 2007, 3280 posts, RR: 6
Reply 18, posted (5 years 6 months 5 days 6 hours ago) and read 1931 times:

Quoting NIKV69 (Reply 16):
You forget is was the high taxes that caused them to ship them overseas?

With due respect, you're wrong.

In 2002, I did part of the business case analysis for a major U.S. insurer that was moving several contact centers from the U.S. to Bangalore, India. The reason that the company wanted to move their call-center and claims operations to India? Cheap labor and massive incentives from the Indian state of Karnataka's government.

Did the executives care that they were going to put 800 Americans in Philadelphia and Minneapolis out of work, many who had been effective employees of the company for 15 to 20 years? Did they care about the communities that they were negatively impacting by terminating so many loyal employees? Not one damn bit!

"We're increasing shareholder value", the executives said. They were liars - they were increasing the value of their own stock option plans because none of them stayed with the company more than a few years - revolving door senior management. Don't happily drink the Kool-Aid on this topic. This offshoring of American jobs is 95 percent about executive greed.

[Edited 2009-02-24 23:24:38]

[Edited 2009-02-24 23:26:48]


"Those who would give up essential liberty to purchase temporary safety deserve neither liberty nor safety!" B.Franklin
User currently offlineNIKV69 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 19, posted (5 years 6 months 5 days 5 hours ago) and read 1908 times:



Quoting Tugger (Reply 17):
Actually everyone will, not just the wealthy. And if we let taxes return to what Reagan and Bush 1 set in motion, the country's funding will likely balance back out again like it did back then.

For that to happen our taxes have to go up a lot. Obama has already said he isn't raising our taxes only the top 2% of wage earners. So the question remains where is the money coming from and the answer would be our taxes going up at least 8%. When what he should do instead of letting the Bush cuts expire is ease the tax burden on businesses and give them credits when they give their employees health care. A nationilized system is doomed to fail.


User currently offlineJohnboy From United States of America, joined Aug 1999, 2585 posts, RR: 7
Reply 20, posted (5 years 6 months 5 days 4 hours ago) and read 1903 times:

I'm still pinching myself that we have a vibrant, intellectually-curious, well-spoken, center-left President instead of one who, on his best day, was someone with whom you might want to play quarter bounce.

User currently offlineMadameConcorde From San Marino, joined Feb 2007, 10893 posts, RR: 37
Reply 21, posted (5 years 6 months 5 days 3 hours ago) and read 1890 times:



Quoting NIKV69 (Reply 19):
So the question remains where is the money coming from

This is the same question I have been asking myself.

How is U.S. President Obama going to make miracles in the current global economic situation? Is he going to find more billions and trillions out of nowhere for more bailouts?

Who is going to pay for all this in the end?
Are he and his team going to bankrupt the place?

It all seems very mysterious to me. He gives a speech to Congress and the markets go up. The idea would be to reform the whole financial system but they are not going to do it.

George Soros, the man who funded Obama's presidential campaign, seems to think different.

http://www.bloomberg.com/apps/news?p...601087&sid=a60APVwmz01g&refer=home

Feb. 23 (Bloomberg) -- Billionaire investor George Soros said the current economic upheaval has its roots in the financial deregulation of the 1980s and signals the end of a free-market model that has since dominated capitalist countries.

 Wow!



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User currently offlineLTBEWR From United States of America, joined Jan 2004, 13078 posts, RR: 12
Reply 22, posted (5 years 6 months 5 days 1 hour ago) and read 1861 times:

To me Pres. Obama achieved the goals of his speech last night: to set the agenda for his administration, especially for the next year and beyond. Yes, some of what he promoted may not make it, but at least he seems to understand that the American and worldwide public wants major changes and needs to act together to achieve major policy changes.

User currently offlineRayChuang From United States of America, joined Jun 2000, 8003 posts, RR: 5
Reply 23, posted (5 years 6 months 5 days 1 hour ago) and read 1839 times:

I actually enjoyed the speech, because when President Obama speaks from prepared text he has the commanding voice of a good minister. It's certainly WAY better than former President Clinton, who had a bad habit of droning on and on and you wonder half the audience is looking at their watches waiting for the speech to end or are nodding off.  zzz 

User currently offlineBaroque From Australia, joined Apr 2006, 15380 posts, RR: 59
Reply 24, posted (5 years 6 months 4 days 23 hours ago) and read 1828 times:



Quoting Klaus (Reply 5):
From my outside view a very good speech, setting exactly the right priorities as far as I can tell. Not that it'll be a walk in the park or without contention.

Pretty well received here too from the general comment. But there was one comment that caused a bit of a reaction:

Quoting Charles79 (Reply 12):
Quoting Klaus (Reply 1):
"...and I believe the nation that invented the automobile can not walk away from it!"

We won't!

Brilliant, Klaus, Brilliant!!!

Indeed, brilliant comeback. Obama will have to be a bit more careful to now that we have found that the Chinese invented most things that are important apart from zero, as he will need to negotiate a bit harder with the Chinese than the Germans and their sense of humour may not be as finely developed as the German sense of humour.  angel   angel  (Anyone thinking that is intended to be sarcastic needs to read replies 53and 54 in Hottest Hoax Ever http://www.airliners.net/aviation-fo...ms/non_aviation/read.main/2047900/ )


25 Post contains images Klaus : The tanker renewal will probably be on the line as well, at least the size of the project. "We" have been doing that for many years already — Opel
26 Charles79 : In all of my MBA classes the primary reason cited for jobs going overseas was the cheap labor found abroad. We could have 0% taxes and the companies
27 Mt99 : $3/day labor is far more profitable than 0% taxes. Plus, make your company headquarters a PO Box in the Bahamas, and watch the money roll in
28 AGM100 : You will soon find out why you are so wrong and mis guided. 2 years from now ... 250K will be the equivalent of about 30k in buying power. Then all t
29 Ken777 : Wouldn't going back to Reagan's tax levels would mean an increase for those making less than $250K as well as those making above? Reducing the tax ra
30 Baroque : Shakes a sympathetic head with disbelief that Americans seem to think this is an acceptable system. Hope things are OK Ken for both you and your wife
31 Tugger : Oh yes, it would mean that. But I keep looking back and noting that we were actually paying for what we were getting and the money never got complete
32 NIKV69 : True but GM is too far gone at this point. They need a major overhaul and cuts and job losses to even hope to recover in 2-4 years but thanks to the
33 AGM100 : I am sympathetic as well... but our system requires that you do some homework and review your policies in advance of getting sick. Then guess what ..
34 Klaus : I think they are not actually doing that badly in that regard. In the end there will have to be some reconstruction of a functioning healthcare infra
35 Mt99 : Its called being competitive... i can pay $3/hour to get 100 B quality widgets, or i can pay $50/hour to get 100 A+ Quality widgets And that is why:
36 AGM100 : In a free market this is always the case ... he who improves survives. President Obama believes that this is the job for government. The more we rely
37 Ken777 : Thank you for he best wishes - we're both in remission and/or cancer clear, especially the wife who, by the way is an Aussie from Perth. The question
38 Mt99 : Risk takers got us in the current mess. I am glad you appreciate the maverick-ness of risk takers, but don't complain when that risk does not pay off
39 AGM100 : No complaints here ... but we have morphed into a quasi free market with government involvement. Its cool , we will see how it plays out. When insura
40 Klaus : Or so the oversimplified ideology says which has gotten you into your current mess in the first place. In reality when it's about public infrastructu
41 Charles79 : Why is it that you, Klaus, can see that yet 90% of the Americans can't? On the one hand we have those who are dressed in red who want government out
42 Post contains links Klaus : Distance often helps with perspective...! (And, of course, I could still be wrong.) I always find it highly amusing that the Republicans have adopted
43 AGM100 : If you call the worlds largest economy .. more rich people , more houses , more cars , more money spent helping the global poor , more money pumped i
44 Klaus : I'm not calling the USA a failed state, I'm calling the uncritical "market knows best!" concept a failed policy in light of recent events.
45 Charles79 : I see your point AGM but we must admit that right in this very instance the opposite doesn't seem to be working that well, or is it? But I share your
46 WarRI1 : I must say that as the economy has tanked and and since Obama was elected, I have detected a softening of the rhetoric from our right leaning friends,
47 Post contains links WunalaYann : Aren't you pushing it a bit here? And until you can provide economic data to back up your claim, it will be just another baseless statement. And beca
48 Baroque : Well waking up is, of course, difficult at my time of life. Nevertheless in response to your kind suggestion I will struggle to do that as well as wa
49 WarRI1 : Now on that, I can agree with you. Now on that, I can agree with you. We know it is cheap labor, pure and simple. Now on that, I can agree with you.
50 AGM100 : Charles I understand the role of governemnt and it is very important to the cohesion of our union. But what we see here is a President who beleives t
51 Klaus : Then you haven't listened to what he really said. Your own ideology is the only thing that's really on the verge of collapse, and rightly so!
52 AGM100 : Its not collapsing it is being overrun by a short sighted ... trickleuppers and power grabbers. I guess we will see what happens in the next 2 years
53 WarRI1 : Well, we tried Trickle Down, not too good was it? For most no, yes for some. Let us at least try a fairness theory. I think that a tax increase for t
54 Baroque : Difficult to say this, yes you will because many of you are far too smart not to do so - read many of the other posts. As Klaus says in Reply 51, the
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