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User currently offlineMortyman From Norway, joined Aug 2006, 3805 posts, RR: 1
Posted (5 years 4 months 1 week 5 days 15 hours ago) and read 2775 times:

An Israeli author and political scientist, calls Norwegians " a barbaric and non inteligent people with a sickening urge to go against world opinion... "


Manfred Gerstenfeld spoke out in heavy terms today in an interview with Norwegian television against the Norwegian oposition..


He called Norway the most antisemitic nation in Europe.

The critisism comes in connection with the fact that Norway, from march will take over and lead the Task Force Holocaust, a position that the Israeli akademic means that Norway should'nt have had.


- Norway has been in the forfront of oposition against Israel with clear signs of antisemitism.

He says that the main problem for Norway is that there is'nt an oposition in Norway that can say clearly that this is shameful for the Norwegian society,....


He finds it especially shocking that Norway has a finance minister that has rallied against the war in Gaza.

- It's antisemitic pioneering, says the Israeli akademic


- It is'nt a coinsidence that the only contribution to international political science is the name " Quisling ", he says


http://www.dagbladet.no/2009/03/01/n...heter/antisemittisme/tv_2/5096280/

http://www.tv2nyhetene.no/utenriks/article2599956.ece

http://www.vg.no/nyheter/utenriks/midtosten/artikkel.php?artid=537269


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All I can say is when we got friends like this, who needs enemies....  

I must say I disagree with his comments. Norway is more balanced in it's critisism of the parties in the conflict, that is all. Most Norwegians don't beleave that the one side is better than the other in the conflict. That they both have alot to answer for.

[Edited 2009-03-01 15:59:25]

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User currently offlineDc863 From Denmark, joined Jun 1999, 1558 posts, RR: 2
Reply 1, posted (5 years 4 months 1 week 5 days 15 hours ago) and read 2755 times:

I had a very cute beautiful friend (blonde, blue eyes and very ahem........busty) from Norway during my time at art school in Savannah Georgia.

I've heard jokes from people from Norway, Sweden, and Denmark about who is more intelligent, stupid, beautiful, ugly etc etc.

I've never noticed any great amount of anti semitism from anyone from Norway or even my brother in law who is Danish.


User currently offlineGDB From United Kingdom, joined May 2001, 13149 posts, RR: 78
Reply 2, posted (5 years 4 months 1 week 5 days 15 hours ago) and read 2735 times:

Don't be too concerned, after all, the more extreme opinion does throw up this fig-leaf of calling anyone, anywhere, who questions Israel as 'anti-semitic'.
Clearly as children they were not told the story of the Boy Who Cried Wolf .

A colleague who once worked with me at BA married a Norwegian girl, now is happily settled in Oslo.
What he tells me does not chime with this dickhead.
(Someone should tell him the Viking era ended centuries ago).


User currently onlineSOBHI51 From Saudi Arabia, joined Jun 2003, 3407 posts, RR: 17
Reply 3, posted (5 years 4 months 1 week 5 days 14 hours ago) and read 2694 times:
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Quoting Mortyman (Thread starter):
Most Norwegians don't beleave that the one side is better than the other in the conflict. That they both have alot to answer for

Well and here is the big mistake. If you are not with Israel then you are anti Semite. Staying fair and not taking sides will not do.



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User currently offlineDocLightning From United States of America, joined Nov 2005, 19275 posts, RR: 58
Reply 4, posted (5 years 4 months 1 week 5 days 13 hours ago) and read 2666 times:

Didn't you get the memo?

Any and all criticism of Israel and/or its policies are blatant anti-semitism and inherent collusion with Nazism, Holocaust denial, and murder of puppies and bunny-rabbits.

I swear, it's true!

Now, excuse me while I go get my tongue surgically disimpacted from my cheek.


User currently offlineNorthstarBoy From United States of America, joined Jun 2005, 1824 posts, RR: 0
Reply 5, posted (5 years 4 months 1 week 5 days 12 hours ago) and read 2649 times:
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Clearly he didn't read his history.....something about Hitler demanding Jews in Norway to wear stars of David and the king of Norway responding that all citizens, jewish and non-jewish will wear them in that case, sounds really anti-semitic to me. Then again wasn't it Rabin who assasinated a norwegian official? Pot....kettle calling.....


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User currently offlineCairo From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 6, posted (5 years 4 months 1 week 5 days 12 hours ago) and read 2642 times:

A common and comforting coping mechanism is to believe that people don't like you because of who you are as opposed to what you do.

It's similar to Americans believing they are terrorist targets because they are free and wealthy as opposed to because of what they do in the ME.

Cairo


User currently offlineDtwclipper From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 7, posted (5 years 4 months 1 week 5 days 12 hours ago) and read 2629 times:



Quoting NorthstarBoy (Reply 5):
Clearly he didn't read his history.....something about Hitler demanding Jews in Norway to wear stars of David and the king of Norway responding that all citizens, jewish and non-jewish will wear them in that case, sounds really anti-semitic to me

Clearly a history lesson is needed:

The Jewish community grew slowly until World War II and bolstered by refugees in the late 1930s, peaked at about 2,100. During the Nazi rule under the Nazi occupation of Norway, nearly all Jews were either deported to death camps or fled to Sweden and beyond.

During the war, civilian Norwegian police (politiet) in many cases helped the German occupiers in the apprehension of those Jews who failed to escape in time. Records show that during the Holocaust, 758 Norwegian Jews were murdered by the Nazis—mostly in Auschwitz. Many of the Jews who fled during the war did not return, and in 1946, there were only 559 Jews in Norway

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Holocaust_in_Norway


Perhaps he has a point.

Norway - a paradigm for antisemitism, by Manfred Gerstenfeld
‘I would like to take the opportunity to remember all the billions of fleas and lice that lost their lives in German gas chambers, without having done anything wrong other than settling on persons of Jewish background.”

This is what Norwegian comedian Otto Jespersen said on Thursday 27 November on the country’s largest commercial TV station. Much worse, however, is that the director of the station defended this expression of “satire.”

A week later Jespersen, in his weekly TV appearance, gave a “satiric” monologue of mixed anti-Semitic and anti-Israeli remarks. He concluded by wishing the Jews a happy Christmas. But then as an afterthought, he said this was not proper as the Jews had murdered Jesus. Two years ago the same comedian burned pages from the Tanach in front of a TV camera, but this was no reason to terminate his employment. Jespersen explained that he wouldn’t burn the Koran if he wanted to live longer than a week.

LAST WEEK, on four consecutive days, there were anti-Israeli articles in Norway’s second-largest daily Aftenposten. The first called for a general boycott of Israel. The second promoted an academic boycott, falsely accusing Israeli physicians of participating in torture and the Israeli Medical Association of remaining silent about it. Any honest debater would have reported that Israeli hospitals routinely treat Palestinian children, some of whom express joy when suicide bombers kill Israelis. One wonders whether any other country would allow this.
http://www.eiscablog.eu/norway-a-par...ntisemitism-by-manfred-gerstenfeld


User currently onlineFlighty From United States of America, joined Apr 2007, 8372 posts, RR: 3
Reply 8, posted (5 years 4 months 1 week 5 days 11 hours ago) and read 2607 times:

It seems there is only one ethnic prejudice element in the story, that a man from Israel believes that Norwegians are a "barbaric and non intelligent people." It is sad that people have ethnic hatreds like that.

Would it be equally scandalous to accuse Israeli academics of being anti-Norwegian? I believe it would. And here we have one unit of evidence to suggest that very thing.

Quoting DocLightning (Reply 4):
Any and all criticism of Israel and/or its policies are blatant anti-semitism and inherent collusion with Nazism, Holocaust denial, and murder of puppies and bunny-rabbits.

It seems that way.


User currently offlineUN_B732 From United States of America, joined Jul 2001, 4289 posts, RR: 4
Reply 9, posted (5 years 4 months 1 week 5 days 11 hours ago) and read 2601 times:

Since when does disagreeing with Israel's military actions = antisemitism, and justify stereotyping an entire nation?

-a



What now?
User currently offlineYyz717 From Canada, joined Sep 2001, 16239 posts, RR: 56
Reply 10, posted (5 years 4 months 1 week 5 days 10 hours ago) and read 2564 times:



Quoting Mortyman (Thread starter):
An Israeli author and political scientist, calls Norwegians " a barbaric and non inteligent people with a sickening urge to go against world opinion... "

Norway has one of the world's highest per capita income's, and has one of the best human rights records in the world. If this makes Norwegians "barbaric and non intelligent", then I shudder to think what Manfred Gerstenfeld must think of his fellow Israeli's using the same logic.



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User currently offlinePyrex From Portugal, joined Aug 2005, 3906 posts, RR: 28
Reply 11, posted (5 years 4 months 1 week 5 days 9 hours ago) and read 2548 times:



Quoting DocLightning (Reply 4):
Any and all criticism of Israel and/or its policies are blatant anti-semitism and inherent collusion with Nazism, Holocaust denial, and murder of puppies and bunny-rabbits.

What about the clubbing of baby seals?

Seriously, this is what he can come up with? "Barbaric and non-intelligent"? I have seen better comebacks in kindergarten playgrounds by kids 5 minutes after they have been shoved face first into the sandbox.



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User currently offlineDocLightning From United States of America, joined Nov 2005, 19275 posts, RR: 58
Reply 12, posted (5 years 4 months 1 week 5 days 7 hours ago) and read 2507 times:



Quoting Pyrex (Reply 11):

What about the clubbing of baby seals?

I forgot about that...

I'm sorry, but I'm glad that I've sworn off Judaism as my religion. The state of Israel has given us all a bad name.

"Never again" so you throw people in ghettos and start bombing them. It just smacks of a slightly version of what the Nazis did to us.


User currently offlineKiwiRob From New Zealand, joined Jun 2005, 7036 posts, RR: 3
Reply 13, posted (5 years 4 months 1 week 5 days 6 hours ago) and read 2482 times:



Quoting Yyz717 (Reply 10):
Norway has one of the world's highest per capita income's, and has one of the best human rights records in the world. If this makes Norwegians "barbaric and non intelligent", then I shudder to think what Manfred Gerstenfeld must think of his fellow Israeli's using the same logic.

The only blot on Norway's human rights record is the terrible treatment of the children of German military personal after WW2, these kids were often institutionalised, treated like dirt, had difficulty getting education and jobs. Apart from that and the terrible roads I can't think of anything the Norwegians do wrong.


User currently offlineDocLightning From United States of America, joined Nov 2005, 19275 posts, RR: 58
Reply 14, posted (5 years 4 months 1 week 4 days 23 hours ago) and read 2391 times:



Quoting KiwiRob (Reply 13):
Apart from that and the terrible roads I can't think of anything the Norwegians do wrong.

Apparently you've never had Norwegian food.  duck 


User currently offlineBaroque From Australia, joined Apr 2006, 15380 posts, RR: 59
Reply 15, posted (5 years 4 months 1 week 4 days 23 hours ago) and read 2370 times:



Quoting DocLightning (Reply 12):
Quoting Pyrex (Reply 11):

What about the clubbing of baby seals?

I forgot about that...

They probably stab bulls to death too, and what they do with those lovely lovely reindeer is beyond imagination.


User currently offlinePyrex From Portugal, joined Aug 2005, 3906 posts, RR: 28
Reply 16, posted (5 years 4 months 1 week 4 days 23 hours ago) and read 2356 times:



Quoting KiwiRob (Reply 13):
Apart from that and the terrible roads I can't think of anything the Norwegians do wrong.

Well, if a New Zealander says the roads in Norway are bad then they must be downright suicidal. NZ is a great country but when I was there I was never sure if the roads were actually meant to take you from A to B or just another part of the whole "adventure tourism" thingy New Zealand has going for itself.



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User currently offlineSAS A340 From Sweden, joined Jul 2000, 774 posts, RR: 0
Reply 17, posted (5 years 4 months 1 week 4 days 22 hours ago) and read 2317 times:



Quoting Pyrex (Reply 16):
Well, if a New Zealander says the roads in Norway are bad then they must be downright suicidal. NZ is a great country but when I was there I was never sure if the roads were actually meant to take you from A to B or just another part of the whole "adventure tourism" thingy New Zealand has going for itself.

Norway have terrible roads,iv'e been on them several times,here are some info regarding this

Low nr = Low/bad quality.

Pos 1. France (6.7)
Pos 7. Denmark (6.2)
Pos 18. Sweden (5.6)
Pos 32. Thailand (5.0)
Pos 44. Botswana (4.5)
Pos 48. Norway (4.1)
Pos 50. New zealand (4.1)

List: http://www.aftenposten.no/nyheter/iriks/article2953194.ece



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User currently offlineScooter01 From Norway, joined Nov 2006, 1199 posts, RR: 8
Reply 18, posted (5 years 4 months 1 week 4 days 21 hours ago) and read 2293 times:
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Quoting SAS A340 (Reply 17):
Norway have terrible roads,iv'e been on them several times,

When a Swede that cannot even properly use (navigate on) a keyboard claims this, it may only mean that he's gotten too soft in his driving habits and that the Swedish roads gets too much unneeded maintenance.

-Just kidding, I've driven from Oslo to Stockholm quite a few times, and it's amazing how the road-standard changes to the better on the Swedish side on the E18.

Can we now get back to topic?

Scooter01



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User currently offlineRussianJet From Belgium, joined Jul 2007, 7687 posts, RR: 21
Reply 19, posted (5 years 4 months 1 week 4 days 20 hours ago) and read 2264 times:
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The usual rubbish - if you criticise Israel or Israeli actions then you are anti-semitic.  sarcastic 

Take the most extreme idiots in Norway as an example and I'm sure you'll find some anti-semitic views or similarly idiotic racist opinions, but then that is true of pretty much any country.



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User currently offlineKiwiRob From New Zealand, joined Jun 2005, 7036 posts, RR: 3
Reply 20, posted (5 years 4 months 1 week 4 days 17 hours ago) and read 2228 times:



Quoting DocLightning (Reply 14):
Apparently you've never had Norwegian food.

There is nothing wrong with Norwegian food if you stay away from lutefisk, you should only eat lutefisk if drunk.

Quoting Baroque (Reply 15):
They probably stab bulls to death too, and what they do with those lovely lovely reindeer is beyond imagination.

I've never heard of Norwegian clubbing baby seals, whale is pretty good, although it is terrible if over cooked

Quoting Pyrex (Reply 16):
Well, if a New Zealander says the roads in Norway are bad then they must be downright suicidal. NZ is a great country but when I was there I was never sure if the roads were actually meant to take you from A to B or just another part of the whole "adventure tourism" thingy New Zealand has going for itself.

I was back home in NZ over Christmas, boy was I impressed, the roads in NZ are so much better than the crap in Norway it almost made me homesick. The 80kph open road limit is a joke and so is the complete lack of safe places to pass, I wonder why the Norwegian roadbuilders never thought about putting in passing lanes.

With all the money floating around in Norway it's a shame the govt doesn't use it on the crumbling infrastucture.


User currently offlineOHLHD From Finland, joined Dec 2004, 3962 posts, RR: 25
Reply 21, posted (5 years 4 months 1 week 4 days 7 hours ago) and read 2164 times:



Quoting Mortyman (Thread starter):
An Israeli author and political scientist, calls Norwegians " a barbaric and non inteligent people with a sickening urge to go against world opinion... "

The title says it all. Yet another "expert"! That guys like him are even wondering themselves that there are people that can´t stand Israelis. It is a shame that people like him are allowed to publicize such things.

Quoting DocLightning (Reply 14):
Apparently you've never had Norwegian food.

Do not say that! I never had bad food there.


User currently offlineMetroliner From United Kingdom, joined Jan 2007, 1067 posts, RR: 1
Reply 22, posted (5 years 4 months 1 week 4 days 3 hours ago) and read 2133 times:



Quoting GDB (Reply 2):
(Someone should tell him the Viking era ended centuries ago).

Somehow I'm less scared of Viking Berserkers as a Dark Ages British peasant than I would be as a civilian in Gaza, facing Apache gunships and dum-dums day-to-day.

Barbarism in Norway? Pot - kettle - black.



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User currently offlineBaroque From Australia, joined Apr 2006, 15380 posts, RR: 59
Reply 23, posted (5 years 4 months 1 week 4 days 1 hour ago) and read 2111 times:



Quoting Metroliner (Reply 22):
Quoting GDB (Reply 2):
(Someone should tell him the Viking era ended centuries ago).

Somehow I'm less scared of Viking Berserkers as a Dark Ages British peasant than I would be as a civilian in Gaza, facing Apache gunships and dum-dums day-to-day.

Barbarism in Norway? Pot - kettle - black.

Fair point. And in any event, we see every day in the paper what a nice sweet chappie Hagar is. Pity the Vikings never went after Levantine castles and their IGG.


User currently offlineKiwiRob From New Zealand, joined Jun 2005, 7036 posts, RR: 3
Reply 24, posted (5 years 4 months 1 week 4 days ago) and read 2095 times:



Quoting Metroliner (Reply 22):
Somehow I'm less scared of Viking Berserkers as a Dark Ages British peasant than I would be as a civilian in Gaza, facing Apache gunships and dum-dums day-to-day.

I don't know about that, I would be a lot more scared of a giant blond viking wielding an axe hacking me to death than a jewish dude in a helicopter gunship blowing me to smithereens without me even knowing it had happened.


25 Kaitak : " target=_blank>http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Holocau...orway It is fair to say that Norway's history under the Nazis is not something the country loo
26 Post contains links KiwiRob : I'm not Norwegian, I do live in Norway, I find the above article you have referenced insulting, what is doesn't mention is the 1000 or so jews saved
27 Post contains links Kaitak : I'm sorry if I caused offence; it was not my intention to do so; beklager. I have a great deal of respect for Norway, as should be evident from the l
28 Eric : I think KiwiRob refers to what you quoted by DtwClipper, who was the one who had qouted the Wikiartivle
29 Post contains links AverageUser : That should teach the Norwegian government for issuing press releases like these: http://www.norway.org.ps/Press+Relea...ck+on+UN+building+and+hospita
30 Baroque : The review might be more convincing if it started "Gerstenfeld argues that" and THEN tried to show if it was convincing or not. Putting convincing at
31 DocLightning : I hear it gets lonely way up north... Scotsmen and their sheep, Norwegians and their reindeer...
32 Baroque : Certainly seems likely, although round here the focus is on our NZ cousins. I notice, however, that the Hagar strip stays away from such activities -
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