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User currently offlineDXing From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Posted (5 years 4 months 3 weeks 2 days 3 hours ago) and read 3146 times:

Michael Steele didn't take long to run into the ditch.

http://news.yahoo.com/s/politico/20090302/pl_politico/19498

“Rush Limbaugh is an entertainer,” Steele said. “Rush Limbaugh, his whole thing is entertainment. Yes it’s incendiary, yes it’s ugly.”

Well that's a good way to piss off 20 million listners. The RNC has yet to figure out how to get back to power.

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User currently offlineConfuscius From United States of America, joined Aug 2001, 3829 posts, RR: 1
Reply 1, posted (5 years 4 months 3 weeks 2 days 3 hours ago) and read 3135 times:



Quoting DXing (Thread starter):
“Rush Limbaugh is an entertainer,” Steele said. “Rush Limbaugh, his whole thing is entertainment. Yes it’s incendiary, yes it’s ugly.”

Listen to him apologize to the false prophet's radio show tomorrow.



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User currently offlineMt99 From United States of America, joined May 1999, 6568 posts, RR: 6
Reply 2, posted (5 years 4 months 3 weeks 2 days 3 hours ago) and read 3129 times:
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Quoting DXing (Thread starter):
Well that's a good way to piss off 20 million listners. The RNC has yet to figure out how to get back to power.

Funny.. a few months one of those talking heads in CNN was saying that the demise of the GOP will come from internal divisions of people who are at the far right (Limbaugh + Coulter) fans, and moderates that are willing to at least listing to the other side.

I guess he was right.



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User currently offlineCasInterest From United States of America, joined Feb 2005, 4460 posts, RR: 2
Reply 3, posted (5 years 4 months 3 weeks 2 days 2 hours ago) and read 3098 times:

The Republican Party needs to disband.

Reform into the Fiscal Conservative Party and the Social Conservative party.
The Social Conservatives (Governement Regulating Morality) Agenda runs right against a fiscal conservative goverment,



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User currently offlineMt99 From United States of America, joined May 1999, 6568 posts, RR: 6
Reply 4, posted (5 years 4 months 3 weeks 2 days 2 hours ago) and read 3095 times:
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Quoting CasInterest (Reply 3):
The Social Conservatives (Governement Regulating Morality)

Like the Taliban? Or Saudi Arabia?



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User currently offlineCasInterest From United States of America, joined Feb 2005, 4460 posts, RR: 2
Reply 5, posted (5 years 4 months 3 weeks 2 days 1 hour ago) and read 3066 times:



Quoting Mt99 (Reply 4):
Like the Taliban? Or Saudi Arabia?

I was making no claim as to their success. However do you see a difference between the Religious Right and the taliban when it comes to imposing their religion onto politics?



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User currently offlineMt99 From United States of America, joined May 1999, 6568 posts, RR: 6
Reply 6, posted (5 years 4 months 3 weeks 2 days 1 hour ago) and read 3058 times:
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Quoting CasInterest (Reply 5):
However do you see a difference between the Religious Right and the taliban when it comes to imposing their religion onto politics?

"Sen. Dave Schultheis said he planned to vote against a bill to require HIV tests for pregnant women because the disease “stems from sexual promiscuity” and he didn’t think the Legislature should “remove the negative consequences that take place from poor behavior and unacceptable behavior."

http://coloradoindependent.com/22701...nt-moms-rewards-sexual-promiscuity

Sure it not stoning someone to death, or cutting someone arm..



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User currently onlineTugger From United States of America, joined Apr 2006, 5414 posts, RR: 8
Reply 7, posted (5 years 4 months 3 weeks 2 days 1 hour ago) and read 3038 times:



Quoting DXing (Thread starter):
“Rush Limbaugh is an entertainer,” Steele said. “Rush Limbaugh, his whole thing is entertainment. Yes it’s incendiary, yes it’s ugly.”

Steele is right though, 100% and if people within the Republican party are not allowed to speak up and state obvious truths then the "party" is doomed.

Other posters have mentioned it and it seems nothing but inflammatory and trite but there is a kernel of truth, some people's reaction to Steele's comments have been similar to the religious agenda organizations out there, in those groups if you speak different than the "moral leadership" you are assaulted and silenced. I can not believe that any fellow Republican's would support any attacks on Steele for what he said. What the hell does the party stand for?

I for one wish the excessively verbose and incendiary Limbaugh would stop and speak to the heart of the Republican party which is limited government, fiscal responsibility (NOT social conservatism), individual rights, constitutional adherence, etc.

Tugg



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User currently offlineNIKV69 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 8, posted (5 years 4 months 3 weeks 2 days 1 hour ago) and read 3020 times:

I first thought Steele was a good pick for RNC chair but man he dropped this ball. Rush gave a great speech and energized the party the other day. Steele should just keep his mouth shut.

Quoting Tugger (Reply 7):
I for one wish the excessively verbose and incendiary Limbaugh would stop and speak to the heart of the Republican party which is limited government, fiscal responsibility (NOT social conservatism), individual rights, constitutional adherence, etc

What did Rush say that was icendiary? Find me a part of his speech that crossed the line. Everything he said was spot on. This president has no idea what he is doing, and uses the teleprompter and prewritten speeches and Bush bashing to try to get by but at the end of the day he is a liar and is the second coming of Jimmy Carter which is the reason the market is going down the crapper and why if someone doesn't speak up we are really doomed. The time for word is long gone, and instead of governing and leading he is still throwing out the talking points and trying to spend his way out of a mess he has no idea how to handle.


User currently offlineBN747 From United States of America, joined Mar 2002, 5613 posts, RR: 51
Reply 9, posted (5 years 4 months 3 weeks 2 days 1 hour ago) and read 3018 times:



Quoting Tugger (Reply 7):
I for one wish the excessively verbose and incendiary Limbaugh would stop and speak to the heart of the Republican party which is limited government, fiscal responsibility (NOT social conservatism), individual rights, constitutional adherence, etc.

TOO LATE for that....this clown has 'unofficially' been dubbed the head of the RNC...and he ain't lettin' go.

Boy, have the RNC painted themselves into a messy corner with these two opposing freight trains! Steele MUST acquiesce to Lardbaugh or shut and go sit in a corner (thereby making his selection as RNC head, a futile exercise, aka ..a joke) ...no script writer could have come up with a better story line.


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User currently offlineN867DA From United States of America, joined May 2008, 1001 posts, RR: 0
Reply 10, posted (5 years 4 months 3 weeks 2 days ago) and read 2989 times:



Quoting DXing (Thread starter):
“Rush Limbaugh is an entertainer,” Steele said. “Rush Limbaugh, his whole thing is entertainment. Yes it’s incendiary, yes it’s ugly.”

Well, this proves it: honesty is the best policy!  Silly



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User currently offlineER757 From Cayman Islands, joined May 2005, 2489 posts, RR: 7
Reply 11, posted (5 years 4 months 3 weeks 2 days ago) and read 2971 times:



Quoting DXing (Thread starter):
Michael Steele didn't take long to run into the ditch.

I'm not really sure why you said this. What Steele said is true - Limbaugh is primarily an entertainer. He has a radio show and part of having a radio show is to draw ratings. In order to do so, you have to be interesting - or in other words "entertaining." Why else would anyone tune in? If Rush wanted to be more than an entertainer, then he should seek office. Since he isn't doing so, then he must be content doing his show, having a bunch of people tune in to hear him and call in to chew the fat and collect his massive paycheck. I certianly don't blame him for it, I wouldn't run for office if I were him either. He's making waaaaay too much money to give it up.


User currently offlineAGM100 From United States of America, joined Dec 2003, 5407 posts, RR: 16
Reply 12, posted (5 years 4 months 3 weeks 2 days ago) and read 2955 times:

Why do we assume the same confusion and loss of central principles that effect a good portion of the country do not effect "republicans" ?

A dramatically bad omen for the GOP is the impending split between principles and the lust for voters. There will be a wing of the GOP who want to side with the Dems in certain ways in order to pick off some voters in 2010. The only way back is to inspire the silent majority and run opposite of the socialist platform. And I am not that confident that this will even work ... once the Democrats clear total amnesty for illegals (2011 ?) they will pick up millions and millions of new followers.



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User currently onlineTugger From United States of America, joined Apr 2006, 5414 posts, RR: 8
Reply 13, posted (5 years 4 months 3 weeks 1 day 23 hours ago) and read 2947 times:



Quoting NIKV69 (Reply 8):
What did Rush say that was icendiary? Find me a part of his speech that crossed the line.

We area talking about Mr. Limbaugh and his show which is quite often incendiary. And there is good reason it is, he is media, it is his job to get his show listened to by as many people as possible and a good way to do that is to get it talked about by the target audience.

Quoting AGM100 (Reply 12):
Why do we assume the same confusion and loss of central principles that effect a good portion of the country do not effect "republicans" ?

I am not confused, I haven't lost my principles. The Republican party started to lose it when they went religious. It's one thing to be conservative, it's another to base party principles on religious values. Religion is personal, not political.

Tugg



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User currently offlineSeb146 From United States of America, joined Nov 1999, 11516 posts, RR: 15
Reply 14, posted (5 years 4 months 3 weeks 1 day 23 hours ago) and read 2936 times:



Quoting NIKV69 (Reply 8):
Rush gave a great speech and energized the party the other day. Steele should just keep his mouth shut.

But, Rush is not the head of the Republican party, is he? Rush and other similar "conservative" commentators are part of the problem with the Republican party. They demand nothing less that total control from their minions/followers/listeners. If they do not recieve total control (support) from their minions/followers/listeners, they are shunned; called "liberals" which, because of them, has come to mean Democrats, Socialist, Communist, Fashist (sp), AND Devil worshippers all rolled into one. As a Democrat, I did not always agree with Howard Dean, but, at least he had the right idea: Let's get behind the most powerful person in our party and support them, then, when we have the power, we can make the changes we want instead of all the in-fighting and back biting before we get anyone in power.

Quoting CasInterest (Reply 3):
the Social Conservative party

Oh, heavens no! That would never do! That makes them sound like Democrats/Socialists/Communists/children of the Devil! How dare you...



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User currently offlineFlyPNS1 From United States of America, joined Nov 1999, 6575 posts, RR: 24
Reply 15, posted (5 years 4 months 3 weeks 1 day 23 hours ago) and read 2923 times:



Quoting NIKV69 (Reply 8):
Rush gave a great speech and energized the party the other day.

But that's exactly the problem. The Republican party is relying on an entertainer to be the figurehead of the party.

Quoting AGM100 (Reply 12):
Why do we assume the same confusion and loss of central principles that effect a good portion of the country do not effect "republicans" ?

I don't think a good portion of America has lost its principles. But over time, core principles change and the Republican party hasn't changed.

Quoting AGM100 (Reply 12):
The only way back is to inspire the silent majority and run opposite of the socialist platform.

But how are you going to inspire people with a "do nothing" agenda? The Republican agenda is for government to do nothing and ignore problems with the hope that magically the problems will solve themselves. Not too inspiring.


User currently offlineNIKV69 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 16, posted (5 years 4 months 3 weeks 1 day 23 hours ago) and read 2910 times:



Quoting Tugger (Reply 13):
We area talking about Mr. Limbaugh and his show which is quite often incendiary.

You did a nice dodge but I will ask you again. What part of his speech was icendiary? He said we should keep what we earn and not hate people that are successful. Something our president is totally against. What is wrong with that? Why is opposing view points when it comes to a Dem always icendiary? Why don't we call out members of Hollywood like Rosie? She said basically that Bush planted bombs is WT7 to make it come down how come nobody called her out or called those remarks icendiary? It's complete lunacy.

Quoting Seb146 (Reply 14):
But, Rush is not the head of the Republican party, is he? Rush and other similar "conservative" commentators are part of the problem with the Republican party. They demand nothing less that total control from their minions/followers/listeners

This is major Bravo Sierra. Rush doesn't demand anything and he has built his faithful listener base by being honest and telling it like it is. Something the left doesn't want to be allowed. I agree with Rush and do hope Obama fails. I don't want the Jimmy Carter era again. I don't want big government and 40% plus of my salary to be taken to give to someone cheap healthcare to try to keep some lame campaign promise. I want what Reagan did, which is something Obama tries to say he wants with words but when it's time to put into practice it turns into Jimmy Carter. There is only person who wants total control and you call him President.


User currently offlineCharles79 From Puerto Rico, joined Mar 2007, 1330 posts, RR: 6
Reply 17, posted (5 years 4 months 3 weeks 1 day 23 hours ago) and read 2908 times:

I'm not sure what to make of this...perhaps the Republican members of the forum can help. What exactly SHOULD the direction of the Republican party be? More to the point, does the Republican base agree with the current direction of the party? Is that base shrinking perhaps, or shifting attitudes? Is it possible that perhaps a good number of "Republicans" are actually opening up to more Socialist ideals or at least willing to try something different? I ask these questions because there seems to be a disconnect between what these radio hosts say and how the Republican followers vote. If you look at Reagan, Bush II, and most recently McCain it seems like they don't follow the fiscal conservatism that is supposed to be the bedrock of the party. Why is that? Is it perhaps that the Limbaugh listeners are in reality a minority within the party?

As for the RNC Chairman...well, I suppose he's not a fan of Mr. Limbaugh's show!


User currently offlineSeb146 From United States of America, joined Nov 1999, 11516 posts, RR: 15
Reply 18, posted (5 years 4 months 3 weeks 1 day 22 hours ago) and read 2891 times:



Quoting NIKV69 (Reply 16):
Rush doesn't demand anything and he has built his faithful listener base by being honest and telling it like it is. Something the left doesn't want to be allowed.

Bait and switch. When these "conservative" commentators are backed into a corner, they simply remind everyone of the Fairness Doctrine. Only two Dems, that I know of, have brought it up. Otherwise, it has been all "conservative" commentators running with this "story." Like with guns; Only "conservative" commentators bring up the whole "they are going to take your gun away!" argument against voting Democrat. Has that happened?

It still cracks me up that these Rush "zombies" boil down their whole argument to "Rush said...." instead of "I believe..."

Quoting NIKV69 (Reply 16):
I don't want big government and 40% plus of my salary to be taken to give to someone cheap healthcare to try to keep some lame campaign promise.

So, you would rather have people die or file bankrupcy because they get cancer or ALS? This is "compassionate conservatism?" This is what gets me: these "conservative" commentators are supposed to be Christian, but no way in hell is anyone gonna make them pay for other people to have even minimal health care. Is that really what Jesus would do?

Quoting NIKV69 (Reply 16):
I want what Reagan did, which is something Obama tries to say he wants with words but when it's time to put into practice it turns into Jimmy Carter. There is only person who wants total control and you call him President.

Carter, I guess, didn't work. Regan just set us on a path of greed and "me first, f*ck everyone else." This is what I am talking about: These "conservative" commentators are only willing to do what they want and anyone else with any other idea can go take a long walk off a short pier. They only want the government to follow their path. There is no way any other path (read: Democrat) could ever work in a million years even if that path is different than all of the above because their people are the people of Jimmy Carter. They all boil it down to one person. Whereas, the "other side" can boil it down to many people: Rove, Regan, Cheney, Bush I & II, Libby, Santorum, O'Reilly, Rush, Coulter, Hannity, Boenher, Rumsfeld....



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User currently offlineDXing From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 19, posted (5 years 4 months 3 weeks 1 day 22 hours ago) and read 2875 times:



Quoting CasInterest (Reply 3):
The Republican Party needs to disband.

Reform into the Fiscal Conservative Party and the Social Conservative party.

It may well come to that.

Quoting ER757 (Reply 11):
I'm not really sure why you said this. What Steele said is true - Limbaugh is primarily an entertainer.

With 20 million listners. If he wants to disagree with him, in private would be a better way to handle it.

Quoting FlyPNS1 (Reply 15):
But that's exactly the problem. The Republican party is relying on an entertainer to be the figurehead of the party.

Because no one in elected office seems to willing to stand up and be a lightening rod the way Limbaugh is. With good reason, soon as the liberal press gets ahold of someone standing up to the President, the mud starts flying and doesn't stop.

Quoting Charles79 (Reply 17):
What exactly SHOULD the direction of the Republican party be? More to the point, does the Republican base agree with the current direction of the party?

I think Gov. Jindal summed it up nicely the other night. At some point the GOP needs to get back to being the limited government/less regulation/less taxes party that got them elected with such huge numbers in 1980,84, and 94. No before someone on the left wants to jump all over the fact that President Bush and the Congresses from 00-06 spent heftily, that has already been acknowledged and addressed as wrong and a major part of the party that needs to change. Just trying to outspend the democratic party didn't work and won't work.

Quoting Seb146 (Reply 18):
So, you would rather have people die or file bankrupcy because they get cancer or ALS?

First off, people are going to die of certain cancers and ALS no matter what sort of health insurance is available until cures are found. That being said, I would love to see the copy of this paper you evidently were given at birth that says your life will be compeletely trouble free and that the rest of the population owes it to you to see that it is that way.


User currently offlineER757 From Cayman Islands, joined May 2005, 2489 posts, RR: 7
Reply 20, posted (5 years 4 months 3 weeks 1 day 22 hours ago) and read 2859 times:



Quoting DXing (Reply 19):
Quoting ER757 (Reply 11):
I'm not really sure why you said this. What Steele said is true - Limbaugh is primarily an entertainer.

With 20 million listners. If he wants to disagree with him, in private would be a better way to handle it.

So Rush can publicly disagree with Steele, but Steele has to voice his disagreement privately?
Hmmmmm
And Rush has 20 million listeners. There are over 100 million voters in the USA so I'd say Rush's base is a distinct minority. So if Steele dares disagree with Limbaugh, he's still only alienating 20% of potential voters.

Quoting NIKV69 (Reply 16):
Why don't we call out members of Hollywood like Rosie? She said basically that Bush planted bombs is WT7 to make it come down how come nobody called her out or called those remarks icendiary? It's complete lunacy.

It is lunacy and many people did call her out for that - and rightfully so. I think her opinions have now been relegated to the wacko bin by most.

Quoting NIKV69 (Reply 16):
I agree with Rush and do hope Obama fails

See, now this I just don't get. I didn't vote for Obama, I don't agree with a lot of what he's said but to hope for failure means to hope for the country to go through four more years of downturn, job losses, foreclosures etc. Why would someone who loves their country want to see it suffer through an extended period of turmoil? I don't want to lose my job, but if Obama "fails" as completely as Rush (and you) hope - it is a real possibility not only for me but for millions of others - whether they voted Democrat, Republican, or not at all. Personally I think that statement by Limbaugh is one of the most selfish and un-patriotic things he could have said. In so many words, he's said he hopes for America's downfall.


User currently offlineCO777ER From United States of America, joined Jun 2005, 691 posts, RR: 0
Reply 21, posted (5 years 4 months 3 weeks 1 day 22 hours ago) and read 2847 times:



Quoting ER757 (Reply 20):
he's still only alienating 20% of potential voters.

Re-think your logic on that one.


User currently offlineMdsh00 From United States of America, joined May 2004, 4124 posts, RR: 8
Reply 22, posted (5 years 4 months 3 weeks 1 day 22 hours ago) and read 2847 times:



Quoting DXing (Reply 19):
Because no one in elected office seems to willing to stand up and be a lightening rod the way Limbaugh is. With good reason, soon as the liberal press gets ahold of someone standing up to the President, the mud starts flying and doesn't stop.

BS. Rush can be a "lightning rod" because he is not an elected official. He has no special interests or constituents or anyone to answer to other than his sponsors. At the end of the day, Rush only cares for Rush. He is an entertainer. By making incendiary statements, he gets press (while calling them all the "liberal media") which equals curious listeners, and scores of arguments like this one. It's his and many others' M.O. And yes, he is being selfish and hypocritical. For someone who called Bush's critics "unpatriotic" and "unAmerican" for "attacking a sitting president," he sure doesn't seem to do as he says. But that's fine, because he's an entertain. Him getting people riled up and listening to his daily blowhard rants is what keeps the money flowing for him and his sponsors.

I seriously doubt he does all of this for the love of his county.



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User currently offlineAaron747 From Japan, joined Aug 2003, 8021 posts, RR: 26
Reply 23, posted (5 years 4 months 3 weeks 1 day 21 hours ago) and read 2835 times:

Limbaugh said, his voice rising. “It’s time, Mr. Steele, for you to go behind the scenes and start doing the work that you were elected to do instead of trying to be some talking head media star, which you’re having a tough time pulling off.”

This statement only proves my earlier point in previous threads: Limbaugh is far more invested in himself than the actual good of the conservative movement, much less the country. What a great way to keep the ratings high - defend yourself against all attackers near and far with straight-talk bravado! Bravo Rush! Apologies from anyone who dares pull you down from your exalted media-star status.  Yeah sure

A person of integrity would quit feeding this fire on the airwaves for the good of conservatism but he clearly thrives on it. Keynote speaker? His ego is at a high point these days, for damn sure.



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User currently offlineMt99 From United States of America, joined May 1999, 6568 posts, RR: 6
Reply 24, posted (5 years 4 months 3 weeks 1 day 21 hours ago) and read 2811 times:
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""My intent was not to go after Rush - I have enormous respect for Rush Limbaugh," Steele (pictured here in a photo by Brendan Smialowski/Getty Images) said in an interview. "I was maybe a little bit inarticulate. ... There was no attempt on my part to diminish his voice or his leadership.''"

""I went back at that tape and I realized words that I said weren't what I was thinking," Steele told Politico. "It was one of those things where I thinking I was saying one thing, and it came out differently. What I was trying to say was a lot of people ... want to make Rush the scapegoat, the bogeyman, and he's not."

http://www.swamppolitics.com/news/po...ops_steele_limbaugh_not_bogey.html

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25 Tsaord : Then why doesn't Rush run for public office? It seems all his big butt does is now talk about what the GOP isn't doing. If he is so powerful through
26 BN747 : WOW...not even 24 hours and he's on his knees kissing Lardbaugh giant caboose....we'll for all his huff and puff, Steele has shown who his true maste
27 AGM100 : Its a good point ... people want to know what their government is going to do for them.. rather than .... you know the rest. A increasingly dependent
28 Mirrodie : Again, I'll ask, since you are in to blame Obama for the next four years, what are YOUR credentials to handle the country? Funny, but I didn't envy B
29 Mdsh00 : Steele's apology to Rush proves that what Rahm Emanuel said about Rush and the GOP is all true: "Limbaugh called for President Obama to fail. That's
30 BN747 : Precisely, entertainers, just like, Tom Cruise, Bill Maher, Charlie Sheen, Tim Robbins, Barbara Streisand..are ENTERTAINERS... Rush is also...an Ente
31 DXing : In this latest episode Rush was responding to a statement by Steele so I think you have things a little backward. Split them in half, which the last
32 DocLightning : Steele is saying that Rush is an obnoxious jerk. He is neither a conservative nor does he have any valid political ideology. He's just an obnoxious, l
33 BN747 : You make an interesting point, yet it bothers me people try to play both sides as they're equally destruction to the good of society. So I ask, can y
34 D L X : Man, this is bull. Steele NAILED IT earlier, and now is kissing that fat asses' ring. The Republican party is doomed to be a regional party, and poss
35 Cairo : The 20 milliion listeners are for the most part die-hard Republicans anyway, much like the viewers of Fox News. Strong audiences in rural red states
36 Tugger : Doge? I did not dodge a darn thing, I stated what was going on. As to his "icendiary" (use spell check) speech, this is incendiary: " He said we shou
37 Seb146 : Just because he has 20 million listeners does not mean all 20 million will vote his way. I listen to Rush and no way in HELL would I ever vote the wa
38 Charles79 : Fair enough. I just wonder if with the out of control spending we have right now the GOP could sneak up and grab some middle of the road voters IF th
39 Cairo : Yes! I would very much like to vote for a politician that was serious about limiting the size of government, reducing debt and in general getting gov
40 Tugger : There are quite a few stories out there now about the "Limbaugh strategy" by Democrats. The brilliance of it is that they can hang Rush's incendiary r
41 Seb146 : IMO, two reasons. 1. He would have to invest his own money, which he would never ever do. There would be no return on that investment, unlike getting
42 DXing : And fallacy is continuing to repeat an incorrect statment. Perhaps you should go back and re-read or re-listen to what he said. So do I, especially i
43 D L X : Those are valid reasons, but I think the BIGGEST reason is that he would actually have to face a debate with the other side. If you notice, he NEVER
44 Seb146 : He also speaks louder when someone disagrees with him and controls the microphone. In a debate, he would have to yeild that control, which, I don't t
45 DXing : That's not true. At various times he has done talking head shows and while I would agree the intelligence displayed on some of those shows is questio
46 DocLightning : That and I wonder... Do you remember that before the World Wrestling Federation came out and admitted that the fights were fake/staged/choreographed
47 AGM100 : Your right ... but if they morph to just get voters with liberal ideas then whats the point.? We will eventually just end up with one big democraticl
48 Seb146 : And that is another point: there are adults who believe the whole WWF/WWE thing is real. I am sure Rush has his own personal beliefs. I am sure he be
49 Mirrodie : Amen to that. Rahm Emmanuel and the DNC didn't need to do a thing. You know, its really sad watching the Rush really hurting the GOP. Get rid of Rush
50 IAirAllie : I don't see anything in there that stop pregnant women from getting HIV tests if they choose to have one. I don't think that should be required. I sh
51 Santosdumont : I think there's something to be said for the libertarian segment of the electorate. There are plenty of atheist Republicans who no doubt are tired of
52 Mt99 : Thats all fine and dandy. The HIV test requirement is not what the horrifying thing is. The horrifying thing is is his reasoning, which is: if you ge
53 D L X : He engages in dialogue with people who disagree with him? Honestly, I'll believe it when I see it. If you have a link to a youtube or anything, I'd a
54 Tugger : No. To be replaced by a system that opens all the systems up to competition between each other. That way a veteran can go to a military base hospital
55 Seb146 : Who is supposed to pay for required tests? They can be added to the cost of physical tests. But, getting an HIV test will help doctors decide how bes
56 Mdsh00 : Here's the thing. It isn't really designed for the benefit of the mother. Anybody has the right to refuse an HIV test. Problem in pregnant women is t
57 Post contains links DXing : http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3VbPJ7gg6Qo http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yyU7Cs9eVrE And they are far and few inbetween since to protect his brand h
58 Usair320 : I'm one of those Moderates. I denounced the far right Rush/ Coulter types during the Clinton impeachment trial. It's almost as if reasonable Moderate
59 Mt99 : Uhh.. No one told you? Sorry to break this to you buddy.. " target=_blank>http://www.swamppolitics.com/news/po....html
60 Post contains links and images Dreadnought : That's what he spends 99.9% of his time doing. Have you never listened to his program? You don't keep up with current events, do you? Let me enlighte
61 D L X : You do realize that it says the opposite of what you just wrote, right?
62 Falcon84 : Oh, it does my heart good to see so many true-blue Republicans bowing at the feet of Rush LImbaugh, and critisizing anyone who dares say anything bad
63 Dreadnought : You making that up? a) encourage and promote diversity = stamp down on nationally syndicated shows. b) Nothing... shall be construed to limit the aut
64 Falcon84 : Hardly. Democrats didn't even really begin to sour on Bush until the war in Iraq commenced. The GOP blowhards and their followers have waited a whole
65 D L X : of OWNERSHIP. In other words, prevent ClearChannel from preventing smaller groups with worse finances from being priced out of the market. That could
66 Post contains links Dreadnought : BS. Don't you recall how liberals bitched about GWB having stolen the election, that he was illegitemate, and so on? Why is that hypocrisy? He is pop
67 D L X : First off, "liberals" are not a monolithic group anymore than conservatives are. I don't put you and George Will in the same boat. Second, perhaps yo
68 Dreadnought : Read the poll I quoted in reply 60.
69 Post contains images Dougloid : Jeez. I thought that being in the doghouse for a month that things might have changed around here. Major Strasser has been shot. Round up the usual su
70 D L X : So, you're retracting your statement that being angry about the manner in which Bush took office is the same as hoping he'd fail?
71 Doona : Just out of curiosity, how is this name pronounced? Cheers Mats
72 Dreadnought : No, why? While I might have polls to show it (probably because no polls thought to ask the question), I recall many people vocally hoping he fall on
73 Baroque : I, for one, would need to see the previous ?nine questions. I had never seen a survey with what you present as the question being asked. I would have
74 Dougloid : Get yer mind out of the gutter there. I had the same thought.
75 Seb146 : Yes, I have listened to his program. He sickens me. He spends so much time telling everyone why liberals are evil. He spends so much time telling his
76 Dreadnought : I have never heard him say those things. He calls them misguided idiots, but he does not use religious terms - in fact I'm not certain he's religious
77 Seb146 : Huh? I don't understand how or why we were supposed to support an invasion of a country that had nothing to do with anything. Tell me again how Sadda
78 Dreadnought : There were 12 years of reasons. Look it up. Nobody said he did. Fine. But once the war began, they should have supported every effort to win the war
79 DXing : You seem to be overlooking a couple of things. To get to the Supreme Court the democratic party run county election boards first had to use ballots t
80 D L X : Oh look! DXing learned how to use smileys! How cute. But you completely missed the point: Gore's voters had a legitimate, reasonable reason to complai
81 DXing : 1st, yes I did mistype, it was Gore vs. Harris in the Florida Supreme Court, not the United States Supreme Court. However, none of what you wrote exp
82 D L X : Thank you for owning up to it. Classy. Dude, you don't get it. As I said upfront, we need not rehash this over-discussed argument about the recount a
83 Seb146 : So, go against anything we believe in just because it is the thing to do or because the president supports it? Except Bush, Cheney, Rumsfeld, and rig
84 Dreadnought : When your troops are in harm's way, you don't encourage the enemy by showing fractures within your own country. You leave that until the next electio
85 Seb146 : So, I don't get something. Right wing pundits are all over the airwaves, telling everyone how horrible the left is. Always Pelosi, Reid, and Clinton
86 DXing : When that one woman is supposed to defending the Constitution, not bending it to her will, yes it is an outrage. When did they do that. Exactly, a so
87 Post contains links Tugger : Oh dear! In an interview he gave with GQ: http://men.style.com/gq/blogs/gqeditors/2009/03/the-reconstruct.html You know the more I hear this kind of s
88 Post contains links Seb146 : Boy, you know how to phrase a question to make yourself come out on top, don't you? From the administration? Yes. There were those organizing the inv
89 Tsaord : No confidence vote. Wasn't long before he would be ran out. That party is not race diversity friendly
90 DXing : I will ask again where is the quote that administration officials "insisted" that Saddam had conspired with AQ to commit the 9/11 attack? Does not ma
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