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Am General/Hummer To Build Next-Gen Taxicabs  
User currently offlineStasisLAX From United States of America, joined Jul 2007, 3280 posts, RR: 6
Posted (5 years 5 months 2 weeks 5 days 19 hours ago) and read 12233 times:

According to LeftLaneNews.com, AM General (the parent of Hummer) has plans to keep its workforce busy and its business viable if GM goes bankrupt. The company plans to build taxi cabs. And while its styling is far from beautiful, the Ford Crown Vic is no supermodel either.

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AM General "Standard" Taxicab (prototype)


"With the Hummer brand set to be phased out or sold by the end of the month, AM General – producer of the Hummer H2 – is looking for other options to keep its Mishawaka, Indiana plant up and running. The first product likely to fill the H2’s void will be VPG’s ‘Standard Taxi’, which our spies caught out testing today.

After showing early concepts and prototypes as early as 2007, VPG has refined the design of their upcoming Taxi – giving the vehicle a softer and friendlier look.

Working with the General Motors Powertrain folks, as well as Clean Energy Fuels Corporation (for the CNG version) – and with assembly scheduled to start by 2010 at AM General’s Mishawaka, Indiana facility, it appears that the “Standard Taxi” is planning to finish what the (old Checker Marathon) started.

The rear-wheel drive Standard Taxi will be powered by GM’s 4.3-liter V6 that will be “calibrated to taxi-duty cycle” and weighs in at an SUV-like 4,500lbs. And with Ford’s Panther platform set to ride off into the sunset... the Standard Taxi could find itself the new leader of the livery industry."

Source and more photos: http://www.leftlanenews.com/vpg-standard-taxi.html


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User currently offlineMCOflyer From United States of America, joined Jun 2006, 8670 posts, RR: 15
Reply 1, posted (5 years 5 months 2 weeks 5 days 19 hours ago) and read 12225 times:

Sounds like a winner if the taxi companies like it as a replacement for their crown vics and explorers. it does look rather odd.

KH



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User currently offlineSpringbok747 From Australia, joined Nov 2004, 4387 posts, RR: 10
Reply 2, posted (5 years 5 months 2 weeks 5 days 19 hours ago) and read 12223 times:



Quoting StasisLAX (Thread starter):
The rear-wheel drive Standard Taxi will be powered by GM’s 4.3-liter V6 that will be “calibrated to taxi-duty cycle” and weighs in at an SUV-like 4,500lbs.

Why the hell would a city-taxi need to be so heavy and have a V6 which guzzles gas? Can't they build something smaller? Looks really ugly also.



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User currently offlineIH8BY From United Kingdom, joined Jun 2005, 1142 posts, RR: 3
Reply 3, posted (5 years 5 months 2 weeks 5 days 19 hours ago) and read 12217 times:

If you're going to resort to something like that, you might as well adopt the tried-and-tested London Taxi design. Rather more attractive, superbly practical... oh, and it's quite clear that it works.


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User currently offlineMham001 From United States of America, joined Feb 2005, 3605 posts, RR: 3
Reply 4, posted (5 years 5 months 2 weeks 5 days 19 hours ago) and read 12214 times:

It does seem heavy but it is expected to carry a fair amount of weight. A hybrid system would seem ideal for a city cab but at least they are offering a natural gas option. This should help in the push towards using our own resouces for our transportation. Now, if Obama and Congress would mandate that all new government vehicles run on CNG...

User currently offlineStasisLAX From United States of America, joined Jul 2007, 3280 posts, RR: 6
Reply 5, posted (5 years 5 months 2 weeks 5 days 19 hours ago) and read 12207 times:



Quoting Springbok747 (Reply 2):
Why the hell would a city-taxi need to be so heavy and have a V6 which guzzles gas?

There's also going to be a CNG version.



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User currently offlineSuperfly From Thailand, joined May 2000, 39834 posts, RR: 74
Reply 6, posted (5 years 5 months 2 weeks 5 days 19 hours ago) and read 12191 times:

Quoting StasisLAX (Thread starter):
Ford Crown Vic is no supermodel either.

Those are fighting words!   

I happen to like the Crown Victoria styling though the Mercury Grand Marquis styling details are better.

Quoting Springbok747 (Reply 2):
Why the hell would a city-taxi need to be so heavy and have a V6 which guzzles gas?

Most taxis here have a V8.
The Ford Crown Victoria is powered by a very efficient 4.6 liter gas V8.

Quoting StasisLAX (Thread starter):
AM General – producer of the Hummer H2 – is looking for other options to keep its Mishawaka, Indiana plant up and running.

Glad to hear they are thinking of ways to come up with a new and very useful vehicle and keep people employed. This is a smart move considering the Ford Panther platform will sadly go out of production in 2010. The Saint Thomas, Ontario plant will close next year and discontinue the Crown Victoria/Grand Marquis/Town Car.

[Edited 2009-03-06 16:46:41]

[Edited 2009-03-06 16:47:32]


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User currently offlineBMI727 From United States of America, joined Feb 2009, 15730 posts, RR: 26
Reply 7, posted (5 years 5 months 2 weeks 5 days 18 hours ago) and read 12151 times:

Wow this is going back to the future. Here is the story which I found interesting.
In the 1940s, Willys came out with the original jeep. Later they built civilian versions and fleet use versions. All of those US Mail vehicles were built by this company. Eventually Willy's became part of American Motors Corporation (AMC). Then Chrysler bought AMC and the branch that made the military and fleet vehicles was spun off and sold to LTV while Chrysler kept the civilian Jeep brand and still has it to this day. The spun off division called AM General continued to make military vehicles (including the Humvee) and other government vehicles. Later General Motors contacted them and purchased the Hummer name and contracted AM General to build the H1, H2 and H3 while AM General continued production for the government. Now it sounds like the General is done with Hummer and AM General is going back to their roots as a fleet vehicle manufacturer. Sorry if this was long and boring, but I thought that it was interesting.



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User currently offlineLTBEWR From United States of America, joined Jan 2004, 13073 posts, RR: 12
Reply 8, posted (5 years 5 months 2 weeks 5 days 18 hours ago) and read 12127 times:

Most of the new 'yellow' cabs in NY City are hibreds from Nissan, Toyota (Camry), Ford (Escape) and Chevy (Mailbu). The high idle-stuck in traffic rates, caps on use of tunnels with propane/CNG in the NY City area, and much better mileage of about 2 times over Crown Vic's, a critical factor when most cabs are owned or day leased where the driver has to pay for all gas have cause their populary to soar. Diesel engines are virtually banned for cab use in NY City after terrible issues with them in cabs back in the 1980's.
This proposed cab seems to look like a lot like a oversized Honda Element. It's too bad they didn't go for a hybred design. Problem is that will cab drivers buy such a unique vehicle, probalby more expensive to buy or operate than those vehicles used for cabs in NY City.


User currently offlineBMI727 From United States of America, joined Feb 2009, 15730 posts, RR: 26
Reply 9, posted (5 years 5 months 2 weeks 5 days 17 hours ago) and read 12118 times:



Quoting LTBEWR (Reply 8):
Diesel engines are virtually banned for cab use in NY City after terrible issues with them in cabs back in the 1980's.

That's a shame because the diesel engines of the 80s and now are like night and day.



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User currently offlineMoose135 From United States of America, joined Oct 2004, 2312 posts, RR: 10
Reply 10, posted (5 years 5 months 2 weeks 5 days 17 hours ago) and read 12110 times:

My money says they won't last as long as NYC taxis as the old Checkers did!


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User currently offlineDreadnought From United States of America, joined Feb 2008, 8827 posts, RR: 24
Reply 11, posted (5 years 5 months 2 weeks 5 days 17 hours ago) and read 12107 times:



Quoting Springbok747 (Reply 2):
Why the hell would a city-taxi need to be so heavy and have a V6 which guzzles gas? Can't they build something smaller? Looks really ugly also.

They should acquire the licence to build London Taxis in the US.



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User currently offlineStasisLAX From United States of America, joined Jul 2007, 3280 posts, RR: 6
Reply 12, posted (5 years 5 months 2 weeks 5 days 16 hours ago) and read 12086 times:



Quoting Moose135 (Reply 10):
My money says they won't last as long as NYC taxis as the old Checkers did!

That's AM General's idea - they want to make a purpose-built vehicle to replace the old-style Checker taxi with updated technology. The whole idea with taxis is that they take a trememdous beating and be able to last for many years, while being very cheap to maintain.



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User currently offlineSuperfly From Thailand, joined May 2000, 39834 posts, RR: 74
Reply 13, posted (5 years 5 months 2 weeks 5 days 14 hours ago) and read 12046 times:



Quoting BMI727 (Reply 7):
Wow this is going back to the future. Here is the story which I found interesting.
In the 1940s, Willys came out with the original jeep. Later they built civilian versions and fleet use versions. All of those US Mail vehicles were built by this company. Eventually Willy's became part of American Motors Corporation (AMC). Then Chrysler bought AMC and the branch that made the military and fleet vehicles was spun off and sold to LTV while Chrysler kept the civilian Jeep brand and still has it to this day. The spun off division called AM General continued to make military vehicles (including the Humvee) and other government vehicles. Later General Motors contacted them and purchased the Hummer name and contracted AM General to build the H1, H2 and H3 while AM General continued production for the government. Now it sounds like the General is done with Hummer and AM General is going back to their roots as a fleet vehicle manufacturer. Sorry if this was long and boring, but I thought that it was interesting.

No call talk could be long & boring.
That was a great summary actually of the industry.

Quoting BMI727 (Reply 9):
Quoting LTBEWR (Reply 8):
Diesel engines are virtually banned for cab use in NY City after terrible issues with them in cabs back in the 1980's.

That's a shame because the diesel engines of the 80s and now are like night and day.

Here they using those gas/diesel conversion Chevrolet Caprice as a taxi?
Which models did they use in the 1980s?
If that was the case, that is a terrible example of a diesel engine.



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User currently offlineFlyingSicilian From Italy, joined Mar 2009, 1322 posts, RR: 0
Reply 14, posted (5 years 5 months 2 weeks 5 days 14 hours ago) and read 12034 times:

The Ford Crown Vic is a SI covermodel compared to this, my two cents.
Blah on styling.

I'd heard a rumour Ford was going to a offer a wheelbase plug in the new Taurus for both Cop cars and cabs (similar to the plug offered in the Crown Victoria). Anyone heard news on that?



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User currently offlineBMI727 From United States of America, joined Feb 2009, 15730 posts, RR: 26
Reply 15, posted (5 years 5 months 2 weeks 5 days 13 hours ago) and read 12012 times:



Quoting FlyingSicilian (Reply 14):
I'd heard a rumour Ford was going to a offer a wheelbase plug in the new Taurus for both Cop cars and cabs (similar to the plug offered in the Crown Victoria). Anyone heard news on that

No actually. My first thought would be that the Taurus would be okay for taxis but poor for police use. It is unibody so it is more difficult to repair and I doubt that the car is robust enough in general. I think that the police departments have a pretty good alternative in the Dodge Charger and Chevy Impala.



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User currently offlineSuperfly From Thailand, joined May 2000, 39834 posts, RR: 74
Reply 16, posted (5 years 5 months 2 weeks 5 days 12 hours ago) and read 11999 times:



Quoting BMI727 (Reply 15):
Chevy Impala.

Chevrolet Impala has the same shortcomings of a Ford Taurus.
They are both front-wheel drive.



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User currently offlineKiwiRob From New Zealand, joined Jun 2005, 7251 posts, RR: 5
Reply 17, posted (5 years 5 months 2 weeks 5 days 11 hours ago) and read 11991 times:



Quoting Superfly (Reply 6):
The Ford Crown Victoria is powered by a very efficient 4.6 liter gas V8.

Very efficient compared to what? It's a big heavy car with a petrol V8, this is not a fuel efficient vehicle.


User currently offlineSuperfly From Thailand, joined May 2000, 39834 posts, RR: 74
Reply 18, posted (5 years 5 months 2 weeks 5 days 11 hours ago) and read 11979 times:



Quoting KiwiRob (Reply 17):
Very efficient compared to what?

Efficient compared to other 6-passenger vehicles. Very reliable, tested and proven powertrain, parts are cheap due to shared parts with other Ford vehicles. All are a huge plus with taxi companies. Sure there are more efficient vehicles in terms of fuel economy but very expensive to maintain and repair and don't last as long.
They can take lots of abuse as these are still the car of choice among police departments. Also a plus with taxi fleets.
Finally, the Ford 4.6 liter V8 is probably the most fuel efficient V8 gas engine on the market.
It gets the same if not better mileage as a V6 and even some turbocharged 4-bangers.
17/25.
Not a gas sipper but not a gas-guzzler either.



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User currently offlineAlessandro From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 19, posted (5 years 5 months 2 weeks 5 days 8 hours ago) and read 11954 times:



Quoting Dreadnought (Reply 11):


They should acquire the licence to build London Taxis in the US.



Turns on a dime, economical (between 25 and 28 mpg in town) seats five passengers comfortably, wheelchair-friendly, and designed to last 600,000 miles. No other car in the world can match it.

Yes, RWD and I think they got Italian commonrail diesel engine?


User currently offlineAlessandro From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 20, posted (5 years 5 months 2 weeks 5 days 8 hours ago) and read 11952 times:

Here the Toyota Prius is quite popular as cab, bigger cabs are often Mercedes, Citroën, SAAB and Volvo.

User currently offlineBaroque From Australia, joined Apr 2006, 15380 posts, RR: 59
Reply 21, posted (5 years 5 months 2 weeks 5 days 5 hours ago) and read 11931 times:



Quoting Dreadnought (Reply 11):
They should acquire the licence to build London Taxis in the US.

To judge from your picture, they have in many respects just copied one, but as Alessandro writes they forgot to ask about the engine!


User currently offlineKiwiRob From New Zealand, joined Jun 2005, 7251 posts, RR: 5
Reply 22, posted (5 years 5 months 2 weeks 5 days 1 hour ago) and read 11888 times:



Quoting Baroque (Reply 21):
To judge from your picture, they have in many respects just copied one, but as Alessandro writes they forgot to ask about the engine!

It looks like an update of the unloved and short lived Metrocab.


User currently offlinePPVRA From Brazil, joined Nov 2004, 8957 posts, RR: 40
Reply 23, posted (5 years 5 months 2 weeks 5 days ago) and read 11880 times:



Quoting Baroque (Reply 21):
To judge from your picture, they have in many respects just copied one

That's what I was thinking too. Very similar overall, and IMHO it needs to be larger to have a chance in the U.S. market.

Quoting Superfly (Reply 6):
Glad to hear they are thinking of ways to come up with a new and very useful vehicle and keep people employed.

 checkmark  It seems to me like an overall great idea. I hope they are successful.

Atlanta taxi cabs look to be in desperate need of replacement.



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User currently onlineFlighty From United States of America, joined Apr 2007, 8474 posts, RR: 2
Reply 24, posted (5 years 5 months 2 weeks 4 days 23 hours ago) and read 11848 times:



Quoting Superfly (Reply 18):
17/25.
Not a gas sipper but not a gas-guzzler either.

Doubt any cops are getting 17 MPG....

Another roomy Ford sedan gets what, 41/36 MPG, the Fusion Hybrid.

No, I'm not a broken record, but for livery or fleets that operate (esp urban areas), running 12, or 18 hour days, the savings would be really a lot. A taxi running to 200,000 miles could save half its fuel, some 5,000 gallons by running hybrid. This could be as much as $10k, $15k. Plus less brake wear. So I am still a believer that hybrid is tailor made for urban fleet users like cops and taxis.

Airlines run into these problems all the time. When a fuel saver like winglets come on the market, they spring for it, they love that stuff. Also, they fly the smallest equipment that can accomplish the mission (70 seat CRJ instead of 757, if your mission is under 70 passengers). They don't try to over-rationalize, that's what I like about airlines. They just buy what they need.


25 Superfly : Of course not, they always have their foot to the floor. Repair cost are a lot higher. It's not just about gas mileage.
26 Dreadnought : Like I said, it has an engine designed for very long life. They are free to replace it with a non-diesel if they like. But London has always had the
27 Jetstar : I believe GM only leased the use of the Hummer name when they started to sell the H1. JetStar
28 StasisLAX : Correct - GM has marketing rights to the Hummer name. AM General began civilian production the HUMMER H1 in the early 90s after the Gulf War. AM Gene
29 Galapagapop : There will never been purpose built taxi that can even come close to the reliability and ruggedness of Checker Marathon. A new build cab will be much
30 MCOflyer : Cool design; Can we import one to the US? I'd like to get one as a daily driver. KH
31 Superfly : There are a few Checker owners here in town and even a few Checker taxi cabs. I couldn't believe it when I saw it last summer.
32 Post contains images KiwiRob : Have you ever been in one of the new london taxis the TX4, those have got to every bit as ruggard as a Marathon, they are about as basic a car as you
33 BMI727 : I remember reading that GM was adamant about actually owning the Hummer name and not just licensing it.
34 Post contains links and images Galapagapop : As nice as those features are, remember the Checker A-11 was last produced in 1982. The last car off the line in September, 1982, was virtually no di
35 Post contains links Bok269 : It looks like the Standard Taxi concept unveiled two years ago at the New York Auto show: http://www.ubergizmo.com/photos/2007/4/nyc-future-taxi.jpg
36 KiwiRob : The Austin FX4 the classic London taxi was in production from 1958 to 1997 when it was replaced by the TX1. A lot of the features on the FX4 were fou
37 Jush : You are completely right. Why the hell would they want to put a 4.3 liter engine in a cab. Maybe because they get some 100 hp out of that. They shoul
38 Columba : what an ugly shoe box, I would vote for a new design that bring back the look of the old checker cab which is NYC classic,
39 L410Turbolet : AFAIK, the London Taxi was around decades before there was any Checker. But I guess claims such as this one should be expected, coming from a country
40 Baroque : I would ask why it would have to be larger to have a chance in the US but I can barely write for laughing, and then I realised that Australians are n
41 Garnetpalmetto : Not necessarily. I've sat shotgun in an NYC Taxi before as well as a few other cities.
42 Post contains links Baroque : http://www.hastings.gov.uk/taxis/public_information.aspx How about 6 seats in a London taxi? According to this http://www.direct.gov.uk/en/TravelAn..
43 D L X : You should come to DC! Seriously, our cabs are a blight on our otherwise beautiful city. There is no uniformity, and most cabs are old junkers that y
44 IH8BY : If it's up to 8 seats, it's more likely to be something like a Ford Transit. More unusual for taxis (hackney carriages - i.e. that you can hail on th
45 Post contains links Baroque : I put that up to get a UK reply. The site I quoted has a pic of a London taxi and then next to it: "Both taxis and PHVs have a maximum of eight passe
46 KiwiRob : Or if he ever gets to speak to John Keys we could tell him that Richard Pearce acieved powered flight on the 31st March 1903 when he got off the grou
47 PHLBOS : IIRC, it was the CAFE laws and its associated fines and costs that ultimately lead to Checker's demise. For those that may not know, like it or not C
48 Baroque : Ah well that is a whole other story in which Lawrence Hargrave should figure but seldom does. I will bet Obama will manage the rest of his hopefully
49 Superfly : Absolutely gorgeous! Yes they do. Thanks for answering that PHLBOS. Also, the minivans are mostly front-wheel drive and the smaller engine and less d
50 Garnetpalmetto : You want lack of uniformity, try Raleigh. There's the RDU Taxis that serve the airport and Cardinal Cab, but beyond that it's a motley crew of 1-off
51 PHLBOS : For the last several years, Philly has a 7-year-old maximum vehicle age requirements for taxicabs in order to receive/maintain their medallions. Anyt
52 Superfly : That's kind of cool to have a lot of diversity with various taxi services. Sounds like a very foolish law. Why fix or replace something that isn't br
53 PHLBOS : Not quite. Many cab companies around here will buy 1 or 2-year old used cars (usually decommissioned police cars) as opposed to brand new models to r
54 KiwiRob : Which is silly when you consider the most popular cab in German, Austria, Switzerland is the E class Mercedes, these are almost always E200's or E220
55 Superfly : Ok I see. Not sure what the taxi laws here in San Francisco are. I know in Oakland, you will see all kinds of cabs. Just two years ago, I saw a 1979
56 StasisLAX : There's a cab company (Sunrise) in Phoenix that exclusively uses mid-80s to mid-90s Chevy Caprices/Impalas for their fleet. In the yard behind their
57 Post contains images Superfly : Found it.
58 PHLBOS : What's the trunk space volume of those E-Class vehicles? Somehow, I doubt that it is even CLOSE to the 20 cubic feet trunk space in a Crown Vic. (one
59 Petertenthije : Autoweek.nl lists 540 liter for the ´06 E200 CDI. Since 20 cubic feet is around 566 liters the difference is roughly 26 liter. Not that much differe
60 Post contains links PHLBOS : I believe something got lost in the unit conversion or the '06 E200 is different from the '09 E350. http://www.mbusa.com/mercedes/#/byo/classOverview
61 Petertenthije : Must be then. I am not familiar with cubic feets so I entered it into Google and it calculated as 566 liters.
62 PHLBOS : Which is true for the Crown Vic.; the trunk space of the Mecedes E-Class is where clarification needs to be made. From Google, 1 cubic foot = 28.3168
63 PHLBOS : Too late to add this to my ealier post. My guess would be that's probably a typo on Autoweek's part. It's not unusual for an auto publication to perio
64 L410Turbolet : 560 liters is hardly impressive for a gigantic full size sedan (by European standards) since the same volume has even a VW Golf platform-based Skoda
65 Post contains links and images PHLBOS : Since I am not familiar with that name, I'll assume you mean one of these: Is that 560-liter volume for the Skoda Octavia measured with the rear-seat
66 JJJ : Nope. 560 litre standard, 1.420 with seats folded down.
67 IH8BY : I think it's more that the Octavia has a very impressive amount of trunk capacity for its size. The Skoda Octavia is very popular amongst private hir
68 Post contains links and images PHLBOS : http://new.skoda-auto.com/com/model/...avia/facts/Pages/OctaviaFacts.aspx    Although given the smaller size (especially the width), I'd be very cu
69 KiwiRob : Mercedes US has the wrong info, the Norwegian page lists the boot space as 540 litres as does the UK website.
70 IH8BY : According to What Car, the Octavia starts from £11,335. It should be noted that: This is the base price for the 1.4. Taxi drivers are far more likel
71 Post contains links and images PHLBOS : I attempted to search through the MB's UK website (since I can't read Norwegian, I wasn't even going to try using that one) but could not successfull
72 KiwiRob : Standard tank is 59 plus 8 reserve, even with a smaller tank with a diesel it's going to get better mpg than a crown vic any day of the week and twic
73 Superfly : Speak for yourself. Professionals that have been running taxi companies for years know what's best for their fleet. Most here have determined that th
74 BMI727 : A big V8 spinning at a fairly low speed is deceptively efficient. The 92 Caprice that I drive doesn't do half bad. Especially for a car that can seat
75 JJJ : The V8 in a Crown Vic is more efficient than a european V8 because usually euros try to get power from a V8. There are 4cyl and diesels for efficienc
76 Jetstar : There are two types of medallion taxies in New York City, fleet and privately owned. The last I heard fleet taxies which are in service 24/7 have to
77 Superfly : Well why don't you "do it right"? Those cars you listed with small engines and high horsepower are made for speed. Taxis are meant to haul people, so
78 BMI727 : When I was really young I would look at car specs and assume that a V6 was better than an I4, a V8 was better than a V6 and a V12 was the best of all
79 KiwiRob : I have been in a Crown Vic many times, as well as a Lincoln Town Car (god knows why they try pass that POS off as a luxury vehicle is beyond me) they
80 BMI727 : Lincolns are now what Cadillac was ten years ago. Only diplomats and the geriatric crowd care at all for them. On the whole, European cars trump thei
81 Superfly : Yes I have and we have them here in San Francisco too. Plenty of times, including the taxi variants in Germany. Also an auntie in LAX has an E-class
82 BMI727 : Not exactly. But a vehicle's attributes determine who buys them. Lincolns are big, comfortable and cushy, like elderly people prefer. For diplomats,
83 Superfly : True. Every car makes a statement. I just don't when someone says a particular car is inferior just because it's preferred by an older buyer. Tough d
84 PHLBOS : Translation to U.S. units: 15.34 gallons plus 2 gallon reserve. Bottom line: it's still smaller than the tanks on all E-Class models imported to The
85 JJJ : That's why you have diesels for. Enormously efficient, durable and tons of torque to haul things and luggage. That's why the overwhelming majority of
86 PHLBOS : More accurately put, doesn't ALLOW diesel-powered cars, when new, to be sold in certain states. Once upon a time, it was only ONE state (CA) that had
87 Superfly : I've been saying that for the longest. That isn't a Democrat vs. Republican issue. There are plenty of "do-gooders" on both sides of the aisle. Many
88 KiwiRob : Golly I was hoping you would make a smarty pants comment like this so I could shoot you down. Here is a list of all V8 powered sedans currently on sa
89 Post contains links KiwiRob : Sorry can't for the life of me find the UK page where I got the boot volume. So here is the link for Mercedes Norway http://www.mercedes-benz.no/cont
90 BMI727 : Diesel still suffers from a bad public perception in this country. People still believe that they are rough, loud, and smelly and should be placed on
91 PHLBOS : Thanks for the link. Nonetheless, I still believe that the difference in trunk space is still due a smaller fuel tank offered on the European market
92 KiwiRob : Woops I missed the Buicks, damm those are some ugly cars, and I forgot about the Charger which along with the 300c is a car that I do like, especiall
93 Superfly : I made no reference to HP in my comment about the efficiency of the Ford. 4.6. Dude, we are talking about a frikkin' taxi. It would be overkill to ha
94 StasisLAX : There's a huge need for auto manufacturing employment in the U.S., and there's also a new requirements in some cities that a certain percentage of th
95 KiwiRob : That's correct you didn't you said the crown vic V8 was more efficient than the gas hogs from Germany, I was just pointing out that what you said was
96 Superfly : You are entitled to your opinion on that. In case you haven't noticed, the whole world is in an economic recession. Every industry is "in the poo". T
97 Petertenthije : It's first loss. What was the last year the US car makers made a profit? GM being in the crapper is hardly news, is it?
98 Superfly : ...and never received government bailouts/subsidies ever until now. German and Japanese brands on the other hand.....
99 KiwiRob : VAG is swimming in money at the moment, the audi side of the group had it's best year ever. Fiat is also doing very well. The US auto industry has be
100 BMI727 : Very true. The quality of their cars has remained stagnant while foreign competitors have been excelling. There have been some gems like the 300C, Co
101 Superfly : 1 of those 5 don't belong on the same list. You sure that wasn't a typo? I certainly hope so. GM has made a lot of really bad decisions over the past
102 KiwiRob : Chrysler received a bailout in 79. For the life of me I cannot remember when any of the Germans received a bailout from their Government, if they did
103 Moose135 : Not really, but that's a common misconception. Chrysler needed cash to continue operations, but could find no banks that would make the loans. The US
104 Superfly : I was talking about General Motors, not Chrylser and that was a loan , not a bailout. Well I guess you haven't been paying too much attention and not
105 JJJ : Hybrids have certain problems of their own, there are a few Prius taxis around, if they still hold together after a few years they will be a serious
106 Post contains links PHLBOS : According to a Wiki write-up, the Q45 was no longer exported after 2006. In the US market, it was replaced with the M35 & M45 sedans. http://en.wikip
107 KiwiRob : That must be more to do with the poor quality of those vehicles rather than them being FWD, I've been in a many VW Tourans, Mercedes b class and Volv
108 PHLBOS : Were those vehicles you were in abused (aka driven hard) by taxi drivers? We're not talking about vehicles for personal use (unless one beats the cra
109 JJJ : What exactly? Go to Athens or, even better, Beirut. Check the age of the taxis and the driving tactics of the cabbies and tell me if you see any diff
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