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User currently offlineDocLightning From United States of America, joined Nov 2005, 19298 posts, RR: 58
Posted (5 years 4 months 1 week 9 hours ago) and read 3548 times:



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(CNN) -- America is a less Christian nation than it was 20 years ago, and Christianity is not losing out to other religions, but primarily to a rejection of religion altogether, a survey published Monday found.

http://www.cnn.com/2009/LIVING/wayof...religion.less.christian/index.html

Your comments?

The article says:

Quote:
One in three Americans consider themselves evangelical, and the number of people associated with mega-churches has skyrocketed from less than 200,000 in 1990 to more than 8 million in the latest survey.

The rise in evangelical Christianity is contributing to the rejection of religion altogether by some Americans, said Mark Silk of Trinity College.

"In the 1990s, it really sunk in on the American public generally that there was a long-lasting 'religious right' connected to a political party, and that turned a lot of people the other way," he said of the link between the Republican Party and groups such as the Moral Majority and Focus on the Family.

So the question is: which way is it gonna go? Will society polarize? Will one group or the other lose out? I think that in that case, the religious folk stand to lose ground in the long run.

There is a reason the Bible preaches that pride is a sin. The problem, as I see it, with evangelical Christianity is that it emphasizes pride way too much. Makes people haughty and arrogant and that will ultimately be the end of it. Alternatively, it will continue to attract a certain element of society.

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User currently offlineMbmbos From United States of America, joined May 2000, 2597 posts, RR: 1
Reply 1, posted (5 years 4 months 1 week 9 hours ago) and read 3535 times:

My hunch is that much of organized religion as we know it today in the U.S. is fading in a big way. That's not to say that religion won't continue, but I think for most people, the metaphors and rules that organized religion are based on are archaic and not meaningful in our modern world.

Joseph Campbell addressed this including in his series with Bill Moyers. He suggested that organized religion would have to refresh its metaphors before it would once again take hold as a seminal force in our world.

This is not to say that spiritual thoughts and feelings are not relevant or will cease to be important in people's lives. I'm merely saying that most organized religion is, at best, a system that enforces Victorian standards on people. It's no longer useful in peoples' lives as it stands today.


User currently offlineStarAC17 From Canada, joined Aug 2003, 3354 posts, RR: 9
Reply 2, posted (5 years 4 months 1 week 9 hours ago) and read 3509 times:



Quoting DocLightning (Thread starter):
The problem, as I see it, with evangelical Christianity is that it emphasizes pride way too much. Makes people haughty and arrogant and that will ultimately be the end of it. Alternatively, it will continue to attract a certain element of society.

This is a good thing for the biggest reason is that the religious right will lose its very strong political influence which is has no place being, as well it is evidence that more and more people do not require to practice a religion to be moral and lead a decent life. Also I think people are beginning to realize the hypocrisy that occurs with organized religion and when someone like Ted Haggard did what he did he loses all the credibility he has.

A big flaw with religion is that it is taught you are asked to adhere to a set of rules which some are in the book which it is based such as the bible but far too many of them are set by the preacher of that church or even as high as say the pope which is essentially made my man. An example being that the Catholic's are dead set against birth control where as a non-denominational church might actually encourage the use of it if you are married.

Also the claim is usually made that all the rules are from god and can't be questioned even thought that is never really said. I know first hand the kind of snide looks and smugness that comes from questioning the argument of a person of faith and its not fun for you unless your objective is to embarrass or discredit them.

Another thing that happens is that the people who fail to follow the rules set out by their specific congregation become depressed and feel worse about themselves and the ones who succeed often become smug and develop a superiority complex towards the ones who can't and non-believers.



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User currently offlineDreadnought From United States of America, joined Feb 2008, 8780 posts, RR: 24
Reply 3, posted (5 years 4 months 1 week 8 hours ago) and read 3502 times:

I have to agree that Evangelical christianity is a major turnoff. On the bright side, at least they don't blow stuff up, but I know I cannot stand having someone around talking about how she's been saved. How do you know you've been saved? Shut up and keep suc&ing...

 devil 

Sorry.

Seriously, modern society is a challenge to spirituality. Evangelism is a business, not a religion, to me. The more you have to talk about it, the more money you have to give to it, the less spiritual it is.



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User currently offlineDocLightning From United States of America, joined Nov 2005, 19298 posts, RR: 58
Reply 4, posted (5 years 4 months 1 week 8 hours ago) and read 3483 times:



Quoting Dreadnought (Reply 3):
On the bright side, at least they don't blow stuff up, but I know I cannot stand having someone around talking about how she's been saved.

Gee, it appears they managed to get a President elected to blow stuff up in Iraq and Afghanistan.

They just have more money than the Muslims, so they can afford fancy weapons to do it the "civilized way."

I feel that the increased vehemence of the Religious Right is a reaction to a collective sense of threat.


User currently offline2H4 From United States of America, joined Oct 2004, 8955 posts, RR: 60
Reply 5, posted (5 years 4 months 1 week 8 hours ago) and read 3471 times:
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Quoting DocLightning (Thread starter):
There is a reason the Bible preaches that pride is a sin.

I will never understand how a religious organization with so much power and influence can look at the number of innocent people being slaughtered in the name of religion, worldwide, then look at the "problems" created by gay marriage.......and then decide to spend as much time, money, and effort as they do condemning the act of two people loving one another and providing a loving, supportive home to children.

I'll also never understand how, to so many curchgoers, there is absolutely zero room for interpretation when it comes to "one man and one woman", but when it comes to "thou shalt not kill", it's somehow ok to do so while wearing a military uniform.

To me, there's simply too much hypocrisy to take many of these people (or their beliefs) very seriously.

2H4

[Edited 2009-03-09 15:53:42]


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User currently offlineAlexEU From Serbia, joined Oct 2007, 1817 posts, RR: 2
Reply 6, posted (5 years 4 months 1 week 7 hours ago) and read 3422 times:

People have to understand that ''mega churches'' and other protestant denominations are not churches actually. There is only one Holy, Apostolic, Church which some view as Orthodox Church and others as Catholic, while all other denominations are not churches in real sense.

User currently offlineGarnetpalmetto From United States of America, joined Oct 2003, 5347 posts, RR: 53
Reply 7, posted (5 years 4 months 1 week 7 hours ago) and read 3411 times:



Quoting Dreadnought (Reply 3):
On the bright side, at least they don't blow stuff up,



You sure about that?



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User currently offlineDocLightning From United States of America, joined Nov 2005, 19298 posts, RR: 58
Reply 8, posted (5 years 4 months 1 week 7 hours ago) and read 3392 times:



Quoting AlexEU (Reply 6):
People have to understand that ''mega churches'' and other protestant denominations are not churches actually. There is only one Holy, Apostolic, Church which some view as Orthodox Church and others as Catholic, while all other denominations are not churches in real sense.

*hands you a flamesuit*

I'm not touching that comment with a very long pole...


User currently offlineIH8BY From United Kingdom, joined Jun 2005, 1141 posts, RR: 3
Reply 9, posted (5 years 4 months 1 week 6 hours ago) and read 3365 times:

Quoting AlexEU (Reply 6):
People have to understand that ''mega churches'' and other protestant denominations are not churches actually. There is only one Holy, Apostolic, Church which some view as Orthodox Church and others as Catholic, while all other denominations are not churches in real sense.

What do you mean when you say 'churches in real sense'? They are churches in that they are bodies of people, often but not always with associated buildings which subscribe to the teaching of the Bible and call themselves Christian.

What you rather suggest is that you do not believe in their doctrinal basis and legitimacy outside the confines of the movements that you agree with (incidentally one of the key criticisms one could level at the fundamentalist Christians we find it so easy to bash).

[Edited 2009-03-09 17:44:47]


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User currently offlineAaron747 From Japan, joined Aug 2003, 8021 posts, RR: 26
Reply 10, posted (5 years 4 months 1 week 6 hours ago) and read 3342 times:



Quoting 2H4 (Reply 5):
I will never understand how a religious organization with so much power and influence can look at the number of innocent people being slaughtered in the name of religion, worldwide, then look at the "problems" created by gay marriage.......and then decide to spend as much time, money, and effort as they do condemning the act of two people loving one another and providing a loving, supportive home to children.

I'll also never understand how, to so many curchgoers, there is absolutely zero room for interpretation when it comes to "one man and one woman", but when it comes to "thou shalt not kill", it's somehow ok to do so while wearing a military uniform.

To me, there's simply too much hypocrisy to take many of these people (or their beliefs) very seriously.

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Couldn't possibly say it better than that.

Quoting Garnetpalmetto (Reply 7):
You sure about that?

Hope you brought your flame suit... stirthepot 



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User currently offlineVikkyvik From United States of America, joined Jul 2003, 9710 posts, RR: 27
Reply 11, posted (5 years 4 months 1 week 4 hours ago) and read 3278 times:
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Quoting AlexEU (Reply 6):
People have to understand that ''mega churches'' and other protestant denominations are not churches actually. There is only one Holy, Apostolic, Church which some view as Orthodox Church and others as Catholic, while all other denominations are not churches in real sense.

People don't have to understand any such thing. That's a very subjective point that you made, and I'm sure many millions would disagree with you, in many ways.

If you want to believe that, that's perfectly fine. But no one else has to believe it.

Quoting 2H4 (Reply 5):

Well said. As someone who believes strongly in gay marriage, it's incredibly frustrating....literally just makes me want to cry sometimes.

Quoting DocLightning (Thread starter):

So the question is: which way is it gonna go? Will society polarize? Will one group or the other lose out? I think that in that case, the religious folk stand to lose ground in the long run.

I sincerely hope that we don't see a full-fledged polarization of society. I really don't think it has to come to that. Whether it will or not...well, I can't really say. But the spirit of compromise seems to have been lost somewhere. Or more like the spirit of "hey, I may not see the world in the same way as you, but who cares - I'll buy you a beer anyway."



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User currently offlinePlaneWasted From Sweden, joined Jan 2008, 504 posts, RR: 0
Reply 12, posted (5 years 4 months 1 week 1 hour ago) and read 3183 times:

Great that progress is being made!  thumbsup 

User currently offline767Lover From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 13, posted (5 years 4 months 6 days 19 hours ago) and read 3083 times:

This is not a new phenomenon...I posted awhile back a similar study that said the same thing, that Americans as a whole were becoming less, not more, religious. This is currently in the news because results from the new survey were recently issued.

There was another survey done about a year ago that said Americans on average change their religion multiple times over their lifetime...that we are a nation of experimenters when it comes to religion and seeking peace with a faith. And that a large percentage of people move away from the religion that they grew up with.

There are also an increasing number of people who affiliate themselves with a church merely for a sense of community moreso than a practice of faith. One of the big mega churches here is more of a non-denominational meeting place largely for singles to interact and hear programs on dealing with relationship conflicts, etc., from a spiritual perspective.

Truth is, the "burn in hell" crowd is at lot smaller than people think. They are the most visible in the media because they are the most controversial. Most true Christians on the other hand are aware that no one lives a perfect life (however that is defined in one's mind) and no one expects anyone to.

Interestingly, three of my gay male friends attend church regularly (one is an organist at a Baptist church and two others are Catholic) and they feel very at peace with their faiths. So to paint religion with a broad brush that it's "us vs them" is just wrong.


User currently offlineSeb146 From United States of America, joined Nov 1999, 11475 posts, RR: 15
Reply 14, posted (5 years 4 months 6 days 14 hours ago) and read 2981 times:



Quoting DocLightning (Thread starter):
Will one group or the other lose out? I think that in that case, the religious folk stand to lose ground in the long run.

Look at the gains made by them so far. They have taken over an entire political party and started to get people to believe that party is the only party of Christianity. Some people even find it shocking that I am a Christian yet am registered to vote as a Democrat.

Quoting AlexEU (Reply 6):
People have to understand that ''mega churches'' and other protestant denominations are not churches actually.

So, from that statement, the entire Old Testiment should be disregarded as should the Gospels. After all, they have no basis in "orthodox" (read: Catholic) religion. The church I belong to practices in the most basic way. The way Jesus did. Simply gathering, teaching, praying, and go home. No jumping around. No Power Point presentations. No bling. Do I think Pentecostals, Catholics or Lutherans are wrong and will burn in hell? No. They are Christian too. I feel as long as they show their faith outside of church, not by words but by actions, they will enter the Kingdom. But, that is just me.



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User currently offlineAGM100 From United States of America, joined Dec 2003, 5407 posts, RR: 17
Reply 15, posted (5 years 4 months 6 days 14 hours ago) and read 2965 times:



Quoting Mbmbos (Reply 1):
My hunch is that much of organized religion as we know it today in the U.S. is fading in a big way.

Yes and drug use , violent crimes , parent-less children , STD , confusion and disillusionment also continue to rise. In my opinion people will look for deeper meaning to thier lives ... and they may soon recognize that a life without faith can be a dark place. They will fill it with something .. most likly short term graitification ..to chase those demons away...

I don't know if there is a parallel ... but just thinking somehow there may be a connection.  stirthepot 



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User currently offlineMbmbos From United States of America, joined May 2000, 2597 posts, RR: 1
Reply 16, posted (5 years 4 months 6 days 13 hours ago) and read 2943 times:



Quoting AGM100 (Reply 15):
I don't know if there is a parallel ... but just thinking somehow there may be a connection.

Good luck trying to prove it, you little pot-stirrer.

 Smile

But seriously, I don't think you'll come close to demonstrating a correleation between, say, actively participating in an organized religion and reduction in STD rates, drug use, broken families, etc. There is a chance you may find the opposite is true.

But this has been a standard, hackneyed accusation put forth by social conservatives - that those who don't believe in God have no morals, live in spiritual darkness and seek only immediate gratification.


User currently offlineSeb146 From United States of America, joined Nov 1999, 11475 posts, RR: 15
Reply 17, posted (5 years 4 months 6 days 13 hours ago) and read 2939 times:



Quoting Mbmbos (Reply 16):
But seriously, I don't think you'll come close to demonstrating a correleation between, say, actively participating in an organized religion and reduction in STD rates, drug use, broken families, etc. There is a chance you may find the opposite is true.

Look hard enough, and you will find what you are looking for. Take Catholic priests that abused boys. It happened and it is a shame it happened. Did every single priest abuse boys? No. Was it limited to the Catholic church? No. Should we never trust any person of the cloth with our children? There are many priests/pastors/rabbis that are very capable of caring for children. Likewise, sure, there are some adulterers in congregations. Sure, there are some alcoholics in congregations, drug abusers, spouse abusers, and so forth. Does that make every person in every congregation bad? Absolutly not.

Some people get so caught up in religion they start to believe what they do is shameful. As such, they do more of it because hiding it is a rush or thrill. Or, they keep denying themselves to the point where they take it out on someone else or themselves in harmful ways.



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User currently offlineStarAC17 From Canada, joined Aug 2003, 3354 posts, RR: 9
Reply 18, posted (5 years 4 months 6 days 13 hours ago) and read 2937 times:



Quoting Seb146 (Reply 14):
Look at the gains made by them so far. They have taken over an entire political party and started to get people to believe that party is the only party of Christianity. Some people even find it shocking that I am a Christian yet am registered to vote as a Democrat.

They may have taken over said political party but their actions while at the helm of it have been one of the main reasons that party is less popular than it has been in generations.

Quoting AGM100 (Reply 15):
Yes and drug use , violent crimes , parent-less children , STD , confusion and disillusionment also continue to rise. In my opinion people will look for deeper meaning to thier lives ... and they may soon recognize that a life without faith can be a dark place. They will fill it with something .. most likly short term graitification ..to chase those demons away...

I bet if you looked into it, the states with the highest levels of religious people are also the highest in the things you listed also add in teen pregnancy and divorce. These are much more common in places that have a larger proportion of people that say they are religious or attend church.

Also I disagree that life without faith is a dark place. It can be for some but most people I know that are not religious hardly have the demons you speak of, I would actually argue to the contrary because someone of faith who fails can fall into that pattern as well especially if they think everyone around them is succeding.

Most of us obtain our ethics from the actions our friends and parents and can develop our own moral code as we mature, where as some might need religion and faith (neither of these is right or wrong). I went to church as a teenager and it did very little if anything to dictate to me what is right and what is wrong. What it did is made me feel guilty about when I was doing wrong, and being the type who questions things didn't help either.



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User currently offlineAlexEU From Serbia, joined Oct 2007, 1817 posts, RR: 2
Reply 19, posted (5 years 4 months 6 days 13 hours ago) and read 2938 times:

I didn't say that Pentacost's, Baptists, Adventist will not enter the Kingdom of God, but simply they are not part of the real church, they are sects or heretics It is excellent that they have love for God and that they praise gospel, but they are not the body of Christ like the real church is.

Just because somebody opens a ''self-declared church'', and reads the Gospel doesn't mean that it is a church.

Quoting Vikkyvik (Reply 11):
If you want to believe that, that's perfectly fine. But no one else has to believe it.

They don't have to believe it, but they are not the truth church that comes from Christ and his Apostles.

Regards, Alex


User currently offlineEISHN From Ireland, joined Feb 2007, 1509 posts, RR: 7
Reply 20, posted (5 years 4 months 6 days 12 hours ago) and read 2914 times:



Quoting DocLightning (Thread starter):
America is a less Christian nation than it was 20 years ago

Good.



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User currently offlineAGM100 From United States of America, joined Dec 2003, 5407 posts, RR: 17
Reply 21, posted (5 years 4 months 6 days 12 hours ago) and read 2910 times:



Quoting StarAC17 (Reply 18):
bet if you looked into it, the states with the highest levels of religious people are also the highest in the things you listed also add in teen pregnancy and divorce

And shatter further the fragile edges of my illusions ! haha not a chance .

I know that religion alone will not change anything . I come from a religious family .. and I have a sibling who ended up pregnant and addicted to drugs.

I don't know the answers to these issues .. but they are draining our system and society with no end in sight.

I know what I do.. I talk to my kids about everything potentially awaiting to ensnare them in life.... drugs , sex , violence . And for some reason it always leads me back to how I was raised by my religious parents. I am not religious now , I party , I do all the things a average adult does .. but I try to teach my kids to be patient ..they will have plenty of time to have fun.

As adults , we should work to involve ourselves in young people lives somehow. Volunteer , try to get involved ..if you can save one kid think of the reward. I think it is up to us to help.



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User currently offlineDocLightning From United States of America, joined Nov 2005, 19298 posts, RR: 58
Reply 22, posted (5 years 4 months 6 days 1 hour ago) and read 2787 times:



Quoting AGM100 (Reply 15):

Yes and drug use , violent crimes , parent-less children , STD , confusion and disillusionment also continue to rise. In my opinion people will look for deeper meaning to thier lives ... and they may soon recognize that a life without faith can be a dark place. They will fill it with something .. most likly short term graitification ..to chase those demons away...

Except drug use, violent crime, and teen pregnancy are all falling. As are STD rates.


User currently offlineKiwiinOz From New Zealand, joined Oct 2005, 2165 posts, RR: 5
Reply 23, posted (5 years 4 months 6 days 1 hour ago) and read 2783 times:

Thank goodness

History has shown, and will continue to show that a society that bases it's culture and personality primarily on religion, whatever religion it is, is destined for moral failure.


User currently offlineUAL777 From United States of America, joined Aug 2003, 1546 posts, RR: 5
Reply 24, posted (5 years 4 months 5 days 22 hours ago) and read 2738 times:



Quoting KiwiinOz (Reply 23):
Thank goodness

History has shown, and will continue to show that a society that bases it's culture and personality primarily on religion, whatever religion it is, is destined for moral failure.

When has the US ever done that?



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25 AGM100 : Alright Doc ,, no worriers then. I guess all we ever hear is the bad news anymore. Its true the violent crimes have fallen a bit since last year but
26 AlexEU : It's the other way around. Failure is happening because people are leaving the church and religion.
27 Thorben : Thank god. Does the majority of Americans still believe or have they already started thinking?
28 Mir : Do the two have to be mutually exclusive? -Mir
29 2H4 : Are you looking at the crime rate, or the total number of crimes? The total number will, of course, climb as the population grows, so the rate would
30 Slider : I agree wholeheartedly with your entire post….well said! I do think our country is going more away from the pigeon-holed denominational focus on re
31 Lowrider : You mean this is not happening already? Yes. Depends on what you think religious folks are losing and you definition of long run. What do you think i
32 Aaron747 : Actually what soured my religious experience early on were members of my family. Like my conservative Jewish paternal grandmother who would call ever
33 DocLightning : Describe one great civilization that was a repressive theocracy. I can think of none.
34 Lowrider : Can you not think of any positive examples of devout Jews? I did not have any significant religious influences in my life growing up. Maybe that made
35 DocLightning : I'll tell you what I think. I think the religious folks want power and money. Power in the form of political power, power to dictate behavior to othe
36 AGM100 : Its a valid point ... like I have said before .. even communism sounds good until you add the human element too it. All human endeavors seem to get c
37 DocLightning : But no "liberal mantra" has ever set itself up as a unified organization with the sorts of power over ideology and theocracy like churches have. At l
38 UAL777 : Who said it has to be repressive? There are many great civilizations that were religious. In his mind they are.
39 DocLightning : Yes, there were. And almost all of these civilizations practiced great religious tolerance, as well. Hint: the Dark Ages were presided over by none o
40 Post contains links AGM100 : You may ... but check CIA world fact sight . Christianity and Islam are # 1 # 2 as far as size.... Christianity is declining (at least in the USA) ac
41 DocLightning : I wasn't doubting the numbers. I was doubting that the Evangelicals are any better than the Islamists.
42 UAL777 : I think they are. Although Islamic countries are generally poorer, there are poorer Christian nations as well that don't have the same brand of extre
43 Blrsea : Isn't the current catholic church headed by the pope a creation of a roman emperor ( forgot his name) in the 4th century AD ? There were multiple chu
44 AGM100 : They both have issues .... but for me I will hang with the evangelicals anytime. I understand that you have a major life issue add odds with them , a
45 Post contains links Lowrider : Wrong question. The question you should be asking is if she would have done it without her beliefs? I do. One of several reasons I avoid them. No sho
46 Post contains links AlexEU : It doesn't have to be repressive. There are no great civilizations in any point (not only religious) Religious tolerance is necessary. If Islam is a
47 IH8BY : The Church of England does. In fact the liturgy and service orders in the High Anglican tradition bear almost alarming similarities to their modern C
48 Allrite : I often get the impression that many people in the US treat politics as a form of religion with the president as some sort of god head (but only if h
49 DocLightning : So the Catholic Church had no need for those torture chambers? Or bishops who excommunicate doctors who perform a life-saving abortion on a 9yo girl?
50 AlexEU : I was referring to Protestant denominations such as mega churches, Yehovas witnesses etc. That is awful indeed, but I was refering to Orthodox Christ
51 DocLightning : What if his teacher has been killing students?
52 AlexEU : Then you should move to another teacher.
53 Seb146 : My church does, too. It is not at every service, but we still take communion. (Church of God, Anderson Indiana, for those who are wondering.) Didn't
54 DocLightning : He didn't have much choice in Europe. It was the Roman Catholic Church or bust. To my knowledge, the Orthodox Christian church has not engaged in the
55 Post contains links AGM100 : So if we become less "religious" what is going to happen to $200 billion in donations given by religious people every year. I assume we would rather h
56 DocLightning : They can give it to ecumenical or non-religious charities and cut out the middle-man. Same as I do. So does the Red Cross. So does Burners with out B
57 AGM100 : Damn fine outfits too ... thanks I usually dontate to DWB need to get them on the list. It is a good point I assume these non sec groups will grow ..
58 Mbmbos : You know, AGM100, I have to take issue with this. This is the second time in this thread you have alluded to non-believers or "secularists" as having
59 IH8BY : Many people would consider it as part of the Protestant tradition. My view is that it sits somewhere between the Roman Catholic and Protestant denomi
60 JJJ : It's 'kill' for Catholics, the 'murder' thing is a relatively recent phenomenon. Interestingly it's 'do not kill unjustly' for Muslims.
61 AGM100 : It was a blazing generality .... much like most on here when referring to religious types. I understand they are not talking about everyone ... they
62 AlexEU : That's right. Orthodox church is the original church, dating from Jesus Christ and his Apostles. Roman Catholic church broke away in 1054.
63 StarAC17 : Bill O'Reilly who probably has atheists and secularists lower on his list of scum than molesting Catholic Priests, Bernie Madoff, Larry Craig etc. (I
64 Lowrider : I disagree. So do many others. The prohibition against murder is further supported in by other passages prohibiting the shedding of innocent blood. O
65 Seb146 : Reading some of these posts, I find it interesting that Jesus taught that here are a set of guidelines to follow, but do what feels good and right in
66 StarAC17 : What you are saying is probably the best way to live your life and that is what most religious people do. What happens is that religion makes the arg
67 DocLightning : Where did you learn that?
68 AlexEU : Well, I am an Orthodox Christian. We have some churches thousands years old. Even in Jerusalem and Bethelem, most Christian churches are Orthodox. Th
69 JJJ : Which doesn't make the phenomenon old. The murder vs. kill thing is an exclusively protestant/evangelist/whatever thing, done by reinterpreting the s
70 DocLightning : Yes, but where did you learn it? Did you learn it from the Orthodox Church? Do you feel that they are a completely unbiased, neutral, factual source
71 AlexEU : The answer hides in your question. The church is NOT an organization or an organized religion. It is a body of Christ and the Kingdom of God on Earth
72 DocLightning : Yes, but who told you that? Someone had to.
73 AlexEU : I believe in my church, which is 2000 years old, and which has famous Saints, monesteries and spirit / peace that can't be found in any other church.
74 Lowrider : Seeing as how the commandment "Thou shalt not murder" is in the part of the Bible that was orginally written in Hebrew, it makes sense to look to the
75 Seb146 : So, then, my Christain church, Lutheran churches, Methodist churches are all acceptable by your interpretation. We all have service, take communion,
76 TIA : I don't think that anything will come out of this, but here it goes. The Catholic Church broke away as much as the Orthodox Church broke away. When t
77 AerorobNZ : Probably the lying kiddyfiddler Catholic priest scandal a while back in the US has contributed to 'Christianity' losing out.
78 AlexEU : I never said in my earlier posts anything bad about Catholics or Anglicans. I was reffering to sects such as Yehowa's witnesses, Calvinists, Methodis
79 Post contains links DocLightning : http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/St._Priapus_Church Here's a church even I could join! And I once stated that I could NEVER participate in an organized r
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