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Sarkozy Provokes Anger With Luxury Holiday In Mexi  
User currently offlineMadameConcorde From San Marino, joined Feb 2007, 10875 posts, RR: 37
Posted (5 years 4 months 2 weeks 1 day 22 hours ago) and read 2343 times:

Sarkozy provokes anger with luxury holiday in Mexico

The couple spent the weekend at the El Tamarindo Beach and Golf Resort, located in a nature reserve on Mexico’s south-eastern Pacific Coast.

The villa cost £1,640 plus 17 per cent tax and 10 per cent service charge – making a total of just over £2,100 per night. However, the overall cost including security and staff is believed to have come to £45,000.

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worl...with-luxury-holiday-in-Mexico.html

Not the right time for them to do this when thousands are losing their jobs and many of his country folks are ending up on the streets.

 Wow!  Yeah sure


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User currently offlineDanfearn77 From United Kingdom, joined Jul 2008, 1810 posts, RR: 9
Reply 1, posted (5 years 4 months 2 weeks 1 day 21 hours ago) and read 2307 times:

Gordon Brown now holidays in the UK because the UK public would seriously kick off if he went abroad, If i remember Tony Blair got a roasting for going away a few times.

Quite rightly too. If he wants to go on a package holiday to Ibiza then fine, but not a hideously expensive trip abroad. There are things you have to sacrifice when you take office and in these climate this has to be one of them.



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User currently offlineL410Turbolet From Czech Republic, joined May 2004, 5665 posts, RR: 20
Reply 2, posted (5 years 4 months 2 weeks 1 day 20 hours ago) and read 2271 times:



Quoting Danfearn77 (Reply 2):
a hideously expensive trip abroad

Arguably a "hideously expensive" holiday trip might actually be a very cost effective compared to the damage they leave behind while they're in the office... you know "serving the public".  Wink


User currently offlineLH498 From Germany, joined May 2007, 215 posts, RR: 0
Reply 3, posted (5 years 4 months 2 weeks 1 day 14 hours ago) and read 2131 times:



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An Elysée source insisted that the French taxpayer had not paid for the break, saying that "the Mexican president invited them and when one is invited, one doesn't ask how much it costs". It is unclear whether the Mexican state subsidised the stay

That doesn´t look so bad for the French taxpayers, however for the Mexican taxpayers....in the end whoever paid, Monsieur Sarkozy's image looses.
Independently who paid, the Mexican State has to provide security, which seems to have been quite big. So the State visit as a whole could very well have costed the Mexican taxpayers more money than this weekend on the beach for the French taxpayers.


User currently offlineME AVN FAN From Switzerland, joined May 2002, 13920 posts, RR: 25
Reply 4, posted (5 years 4 months 2 weeks 1 day 14 hours ago) and read 2106 times:

Quoting MadameConcorde (Thread starter):
Not the right time for them to do this when thousands are losing their jobs and many of his country folks are ending up on the streets.

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A) I do not believe that Mr Sarkozy NOT having gone there would have saved a single job, or would have saved a single person from having ended up on the streets.
B) The signal to the wealthy hopefully is that they who can should continue to spend money in every way. This will either save jobs or even create new jobs.
C) If I look it up in Le Monde, I find THIS report :
http://www.lemonde.fr/archives/artic...miques-et-culturels_1164875_0.html
which makes it clear, that it was not simply a holiday-trip, with an emphasis on the political French-Mexican relations on one side AND the sales of French products in Mexico (see at the end of the article) on the other side. And so is an effort even to CREATE jobs in France
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I also checked in the WEBsite of Liberation and did not find "anger about the trip" but rather concern about this affair around this Mlle Cassis, whose case apparently is rather an embarassment for whomever concerned

[Edited 2009-03-10 10:34:49]

User currently offlineSOBHI51 From Saudi Arabia, joined Jun 2003, 3416 posts, RR: 17
Reply 5, posted (5 years 4 months 2 weeks 1 day 11 hours ago) and read 2065 times:
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If the trip was paid by the Mexican government,and Mr. Sarkosy used this occasion to push some french products, i can not see anything wrong. This trip might get more people jobs in France.


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User currently offlinePrebennorholm From Denmark, joined Mar 2000, 6384 posts, RR: 54
Reply 6, posted (5 years 4 months 2 weeks 1 day 9 hours ago) and read 2020 times:

Oh, dear Frenchmen, you are really wearing too small shoes here.

We are talking about a man who (unfortunately) can't enjoy life to same way as the rest of us. He can't just take a walk downtown Paris end explore the narrow streets. He can't enjoy life sitting in the sun outside a cafe on Mont Matre and relax over a beer. As a small compensation you Frenchmen can at least allow the man a weekend in some sort of luxury every now and then.

£45k, that's roughly five and a half million Euro cent or one tenth of a cent per Frenchmen. But you can't blame the security costs on the president, blame that on the rest of the world. Then we are down to a minor fraction of one tenth of a cent.

It doesn't help the economic situation in France if the president gets tired and stressed becaused he forgets to enjoy life in between hard work. You get what you pay for. If you don't allow the president a fairly desent life in spite of the security, then maybe in the future you will have to make do with some outdated head of secret police as president or some other similar person without any relevant experience or knowledge about the real world. The world has enough of that type of presidents.

You may politically disagree with the president - fine - then use political arguments and elect another man next time. This crap is nothing but the modern day way of beheading the king. France should have made better progress during the last 220 years.



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User currently offlineWunalaYann From Australia, joined Mar 2005, 2839 posts, RR: 25
Reply 7, posted (5 years 4 months 2 weeks 1 day 8 hours ago) and read 2009 times:

Assuming you are not being sarcastic, I will try to reply.  Wink

Quoting Prebennorholm (Reply 15):
We are talking about a man who (unfortunately) can't enjoy life to same way as the rest of us. He can't just take a walk downtown Paris end explore the narrow streets. He can't enjoy life sitting in the sun outside a cafe on Mont Matre and relax over a beer.

We are talking about a man who fought tooth and nail to not be able to enjoy life the same way as the rest of us. His choice, his consequences.

Quoting Prebennorholm (Reply 15):
£45k, that's roughly five and a half million Euro cent or one tenth of a cent per Frenchmen. But you can't blame the security costs on the president, blame that on the rest of the world. Then we are down to a minor fraction of one tenth of a cent.

Agreed. It is not like France has not been able to generate a budget surplus in 35 years, while piling up more than €1.1 trillion in debt, is it?  Smile

There is this thing called "image". You preach thrift? Practice it.

Quoting Prebennorholm (Reply 15):
It doesn't help the economic situation in France if the president gets tired and stressed becaused he forgets to enjoy life in between hard work.

Have you ever been to l'Elysée? Do you have any idea about the kind of indecent taxpayer-funded luxury this guy lives in? It is monarchy with a different name.

Quoting Prebennorholm (Reply 15):
You get what you pay for.

Exactly. I do not pay taxes so that Sarko can go to Cancun.

Quoting Prebennorholm (Reply 15):
If you don't allow the president a fairly desent life in spite of the security, then maybe in the future you will have to make do with some outdated head of secret police as president or some other similar person without any relevant experience or knowledge about the real world. The world has enough of that type of presidents.

Sure. But we could also grow a conscience and decide to vote for people who actually offer responsible fiscal policies, closer, smarter, European integration, new, decent prisons, an efficient justice system, the canning of that embarrassment called the Common Agricultural Policy, the badly needed upgrade of our education system, etc.

Quoting Prebennorholm (Reply 15):
You may politically disagree with the president - fine - then use political arguments and elect another man next time.

I disagree with some of his policies, and agree with others. The problem with him is that he has said, promised and done everything and its exact opposite over the past seven years. Very much like his joke of a predecessor.

The fact is that his Mexico holidaying is a political statement. When you are the President, every one of your moves is political. To not know that, or pretend otherwise is nonsensical. And he is everything BUT nonsensical.

Quoting Prebennorholm (Reply 15):
This crap is nothing but the modern day way of beheading the king.

I, for one, believe that beheading Louis XVI was one of the biggest and most tragic mistakes French people ever made.

Quoting Prebennorholm (Reply 15):
France should have made better progress during the last 220 years.

 checkmark  Totally agreed. But I will say that having high-ranking officials going on bogus business trips at taxpayers' expense at times of economic hardship and severe budget constraints is one of the many examples of our lack of progress since 1789.

The outrage caused by this behaviour is one of the many examples of our actual progress.


User currently offlineStasisLAX From United States of America, joined Jul 2007, 3280 posts, RR: 6
Reply 8, posted (5 years 4 months 2 weeks 1 day 6 hours ago) and read 1976 times:



Quoting MadameConcorde (Thread starter):
Not the right time for them to do this when thousands are losing their jobs and many of his country folks are ending up on the streets.

Which was why President Obama and family have vacationed in the U.S. Virgin Islands and also in Hawaii - keeping the monies spent within the country.



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User currently offlineME AVN FAN From Switzerland, joined May 2002, 13920 posts, RR: 25
Reply 9, posted (5 years 4 months 2 weeks 11 hours ago) and read 1877 times:



Quoting Prebennorholm (Reply 6):
France should have made better progress during the last 220 years.

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France DID make better progress. I above referred to Le Monde and Liberation, two absolutely superb French newspapers, with a generally slightly leftleaning trend, and generally most critical about Mr Sarkozy. They would have preferred Mrs Ségolène Royal, and among the rightside politicians Mr Dominique de Villepin. BUT, I did not find any negative comment about the presidential voyage to Mexico, and no sign of "anger" about it. The only concern, to say it again, was in regard to that unfortunate affair about this young lady who is to serve 60 years in prison in Mexico, what the Mexican public apparently regards as alright and many in France as a bit overdone.
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I have the impression that our good "Madame Concorde" is treading to the left even of the leftwing of the Socialist Party. Is her real name possibly "Mlle Marchais" ? You see, Mr Marchais for many years was the formidable and famous leader of the PCF !
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Quoting WunalaYann (Reply 7):
his consequences.

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what you call "his consequences" means that he has become "Président de la République", and I never had the impression that Messrs deGaulle, Pompidou, Giscard d'Estaing, Mitterand or Chirac had the habit to take lodgings in 4th class tourist boarding houses when doing state-visits or participating in summits. Neither did they eat out in McDonalds or take tickets on low-fare airlines. The position of the French President in fact is rather unique among leaders of Western democracies, as this position means LOTS of power. And whenever Mr Sarkozy IS an attention-whore and very eager to make a show, he does not do more in luxury than his predecessors. And again, heads of state and heads of government in the world, when on official visits, ARE to have some luxury. I dare say that his meeting with President Calderon caused far more costs than the weekend with his wife in the resort mentioned.
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Quoting WunalaYann (Reply 7):
Have you ever been to l'Elysée? Do you have any idea about the kind of indecent taxpayer-funded luxury this guy lives in? It is monarchy with a different name.

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True. This "monarchy with a different name" is the "5th republic", and this monarchy got a majority in the Assemblée in 1958 when it was started. And the French would have had the opportunity in times of "cohabitation" to change things, but did not. While I can well understand that you would like to see Mr Sarkozy taking lodgings in some quarters on the Ile de Seine so nicely described by Mr Simenon in his Maigret stories, such wishes are to remain wishful thinking !
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Quoting StasisLAX (Reply 8):
Which was why President Obama and family have vacationed in the U.S. Virgin Islands and also in Hawaii - keeping the monies spent within the country.

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Wrong comparison. Statistically, most US-Americans spend their holidays inside their fairly large country. While Europeans tend to spend holidays abroad. Ever realized that to travel from Chicago to Hawaii is as far as from London to Muscat/Oman ? Or from Los Angeles to Hawaii as far as from London to Cairo ? To give some other examples : If I travel 45 kilometers north from this office I will be in Germany, if I travel 100 kilometers to the east I am in Austria, if I travel 100 kilometers to the west/north-west I am in France, and if I travel 230 kilometers to the south I am in Italy. And now please take a map and tell me where I am if I travel the same distances !
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To take the example of Mr Gordon Brown is horrible. The man has severe eye-problems. That this man, a member of the Scottish minority, and since a disastrous accident fighting with eye-problems, rose to the top of Britain is as astonishing as the rise of John Major out of a family of circus artists and slum-dwellers to the same position. BOTH gents deserve absolute admiration, not for everything they did/do but simply for their perseverence and their unique class.
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But most other political leaders in Europe go onto vacations in at least the Mediterranean. Most for obvious reasons do not make much ado about it, and rather emphasize when they partake in some excursions onto a mountain-peak. An excursion which will cost three times as much as a two-week vacation in a splendid Mediterranean resort.
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User currently offlinePrebennorholm From Denmark, joined Mar 2000, 6384 posts, RR: 54
Reply 10, posted (5 years 4 months 2 weeks 10 hours ago) and read 1853 times:



Quoting WunalaYann (Reply 7):
Quoting Prebennorholm (Reply 15):
It doesn't help the economic situation in France if the president gets tired and stressed becaused he forgets to enjoy life in between hard work.

Have you ever been to l'Elysée? Do you have any idea about the kind of indecent taxpayer-funded luxury this guy lives in? It is monarchy with a different name.

Yes, I have been there. After maybe a dozen business trips to Paris I have seen most of the "glamour" of that city.

But l'Elysée isn't a choise for Mr. Sarkozy. And it wasn't built for him. It is today pure glamour to show off to the public. In principle the same as the Royal castle in Copenhagen, but of course much bigger.

For a place to stay I would choose any dirty Holiday Inn over l'Elysée, and I'm sure Sarkozy would as well. For that reason we also maintain a number of minor "cottages" around the country for the comfort of the royal family. They flee to those resorts whenever work allows.

Our prince (Queen's husband), who happens to be French, owns a small winery in France. Whenever he can he "escapes" to his winery, takes on his rubber boots and works the bottle machines. And takes a sunset walk with his dog in his wine fields. That is true suxury!!!

And BTW, his dog has it's own private toilet at Copenhagen Airport, a one sq m properly fenced lawn. And a golden signpost with a king's crown and a dog with a lifted leg engraved.

It's hard work to represent a country. When people take on such a job, then let us give them a break when possible to ease the boredom and discomfort of their job.



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User currently offlineWunalaYann From Australia, joined Mar 2005, 2839 posts, RR: 25
Reply 11, posted (5 years 4 months 2 weeks 9 hours ago) and read 1842 times:



Quoting Prebennorholm (Reply 10):
When people take on such a job, then let us give them a break when possible to ease the boredom and discomfort of their job.

Boredom and discomfort?!?!?!  eyepopping  WHAT????? Sorry, I think I understand most of the points you make, but this one, well, no.

I fail to see how being the president of a 63-million-inhabitant country loaded with histories and monumental issues would be boring. If Sarkozy has any sense of duty, he should barely sleep, much less have weekends or holidays. I am actually quite confident that he does not sleep more than 5 hours a night, and does not enjoy much of a weekend.

But I bring you back to what Sarkozy promised and ran for - leadership by example, fiscal responsibility, improvement of the administration's efficiency, reform of the tax system in favour of a fairer and more balanced sharing of the burden, etc.

Yet since taking office, he has been known to indulge in serious bling, expensive and ostensible holidaying, with heavy media coverage, in exclusive resorts, etc. Not exactly the kind of things he was voted in for.

Quoting ME AVN FAN (Reply 9):
what you call "his consequences" means that he has become "Président de la République", and I never had the impression that Messrs deGaulle, Pompidou, Giscard d'Estaing, Mitterand or Chirac had the habit to take lodgings in 4th class tourist boarding houses when doing state-visits or participating in summits.

See above.

I never said they did (although I believe some of them certainly over-indulged), but Sarkozy has taken it to a new level in terms of rubbing it in people's faces. Call it "doing it in the open", or "just plain disregard for his own preachings", but I find people's reaction quite healthy.

I do not believe any of that crap about "jealousy towards successful people". It is simply someone who asks others to tighten their belt going on luxurious holidays at taxpayers' expense. This is the core of the issue. That Bill Gates spends $150m on a private jet to holiday in the Seychelles is 100% fine with me. It is his money, and he does not ask the taxpayers to pay more to get less.

Quoting ME AVN FAN (Reply 9):
While I can well understand that you would like to see Mr Sarkozy taking lodgings in some quarters on the Ile de Seine so nicely described by Mr Simenon in his Maigret stories, such wishes are to remain wishful thinking !

I don't. For what it is worth, l'Elysée is a short stroll to the Seine anyway.

I am asking for him to practice what he preaches, especially since he was elected on the "I will practice what I preach" platform. Again, he is a repeat offender. His first summer as president, he generated monstrous media coverage on his holidaying with billionaire friends at exclusive resorts, while courting Carla, while still sorting out the Cécilia mess.

And that was splashed across every magazine and newspaper in the country, every bloody day. He can be a jerk (for all intents and purposes, I think he is one), but at least he could be a bit more discreet about it.

 Smile

Anyway, I am all for a change of regime. Enough of that monarchy that does not say its name. Bring on François Bayrou!!  thumbsup 


User currently offlineME AVN FAN From Switzerland, joined May 2002, 13920 posts, RR: 25
Reply 12, posted (5 years 4 months 1 week 6 days 22 hours ago) and read 1798 times:



Quoting WunalaYann (Reply 11):
I am asking for him to practice what he preaches

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You ask for too much ! Politicians do NEVER practice what the preach. In Switzerland, the major "isolationist", Mr Blocher, owns numerous factories in Austria and Germany and Italy, just to give one of thousands of examples.

Quoting WunalaYann (Reply 11):
Bring on François Bayrou!! thumbsup

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To put it bluntly, Mr Bayrou most certainly would have been a better choice for France. But at the other hand, I do NOT believe that he in case of becoming PdlR could really change the system. I remember that aristocratic Valery Giscard d'Estaing in a way detested the system but as president simply accepted the existing pattern. And while François Mitterand also DISliked many aspects and in fact DID change some things, he very much was in the very French framework of "gloire et patrie" and in many ways enjoyed that "royal" framework
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User currently offlineWunalaYann From Australia, joined Mar 2005, 2839 posts, RR: 25
Reply 13, posted (5 years 4 months 1 week 6 days 8 hours ago) and read 1766 times:



Quoting ME AVN FAN (Reply 12):
You ask for too much !

Shoot me.

Quoting ME AVN FAN (Reply 12):
To put it bluntly, Mr Bayrou most certainly would have been a better choice for France.

Which is probably why he was not elected.


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