Levent From France, joined Sep 2004, 1718 posts, RR: 5 Reply 1, posted (4 years 2 months 2 weeks 2 days 9 hours ago) and read 3121 times:
With the economic crisis going on, people losing their jobs and getting desperate, and the ease of getting firearms in the USA, it wouldn't surprise me if such events will happen more often this year.
TheSonntag From Germany, joined Jun 2005, 3347 posts, RR: 30 Reply 4, posted (4 years 2 months 2 weeks 2 days 8 hours ago) and read 3100 times:
The short timeframe in between lets me think whether there was any connection. More probable, though, might be that the German started after he heard from the shooting in the US...
No, he was shot in a shoot out with the police. He killed 9 kids and 3 teachers in school, 1 from a hospital, 2 more people at a supermarket and later he was shot dead. He obviously took someone hostage who drove him to his hometown. About 1000 police men were involved today and several people ( especially kids) are treated in hospitals.
Absolutely shocking!!!!!
May those who died RIP and this insane maniac burn in hell forever!
KirkSeattle From United States of America, joined Dec 2007, 183 posts, RR: 0 Reply 9, posted (4 years 2 months 2 weeks 2 days 8 hours ago) and read 3036 times:
Quoting Levent (Reply 1): With the economic crisis going on, people losing their jobs and getting desperate, and the ease of getting firearms in the USA, it wouldn't surprise me if such events will happen more often this year.
The guy in Alabama didn't lose his job according to the reports.
And regarding ease of firearms in the USA, apparently they are also easily available for 17 year olds in Germany.
Daedaeg From United States of America, joined Feb 2003, 649 posts, RR: 1 Reply 10, posted (4 years 2 months 2 weeks 2 days 7 hours ago) and read 3008 times:
I'm just amazed at how little these people value life. The one in Alabama even shot and killed a small toddler. What the hell?
No, he was shot in a shoot out with the police. He killed 9 kids and 3 teachers in school, 1 from a hospital, 2 more people at a supermarket and later he was shot dead. He obviously took someone hostage who drove him to his hometown. About 1000 police men were involved today and several people ( especially kids) are treated in hospitals.
Absolutely shocking!!!!!
May those who died RIP and this insane maniac burn in hell forever!
Georgiabill From United States of America, joined Mar 2003, 545 posts, RR: 0 Reply 13, posted (4 years 2 months 2 weeks 2 days 6 hours ago) and read 2890 times:
Condolences to the families and friends of all the victims. May they rest in peace.
Thorben From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR: Reply 14, posted (4 years 2 months 2 weeks 2 days 4 hours ago) and read 2812 times:
Quoting Skyman (Reply 8): No he got shoot by the Police in a Supermarket. 2 more died there and both policemen got wounded. Total of 16 dead and an unknown number of injured.
I would like to take the opportunity to thank Otto Schily and Wolfgang Schäuble for making this country such a safe place. I think it is great that I - as a law-abiding citizen - have to submit fingerprints for passport and ID card, are under video surveillance everywhere, have my phone, email, and internet connections stored for half a year, while people can walk around in schools and supermarkets and shoot a good dozen people.
PilotNTrng From United States of America, joined Dec 2003, 897 posts, RR: 4 Reply 15, posted (4 years 2 months 2 weeks 2 days 4 hours ago) and read 2783 times:
The one and only thing I will ever agree with liberals in the US, is tighter gun control. I am sorry if I offend some that are avid "hunters", but what beast of an animal that lives in the US that requires an M-16 or an AK-47??? Paralysis Neckis Upis is a rampant disease that is an epidemic in this country. Sadly our stupidity is spreading.
Commander_Rabb From United States of America, joined Feb 2000, 771 posts, RR: 10 Reply 17, posted (4 years 2 months 2 weeks 2 days 1 hour ago) and read 2661 times:
My oh my, Germany has its own Columbine. The Germans must be seething. The use of an assault weapon too! It just goes to show you, mental illness has no borders and is not exported or exclusive to one country.
Is this the most deaths by one person in Germany since 1945?
Pelican From Germany, joined Apr 2004, 2530 posts, RR: 8 Reply 18, posted (4 years 2 months 2 weeks 2 days ago) and read 2609 times:
Quoting Commander_Rabb (Reply 17): My oh my, Germany has its own Columbine. The Germans must be seething. The use of an assault weapon too! It just goes to show you, mental illness has no borders and is not exported or exclusive to one country.
Is this the most deaths by one person in Germany since 1945?
1.) This wasn't the first school massacre in Germany. In 2002 a similar massacre happened in Erfurt. Others of a smaller scale followed.
2.) The weapon used by the murder was a Baretta 92 - so no assault weapon, but an "ordinary" 9mm pistol.
3.) The mad gunman in Erfurt killed 16 people and himself in 2002 and I'm sure we had our share of mad mass murders overhere, too, who murdered even more victims.
Quoting KirkSeattle (Reply 9): And regarding ease of firearms in the USA, apparently they are also easily available for 17 year olds in Germany.
AutoThrust From Switzerland, joined Jun 2006, 1480 posts, RR: 8 Reply 19, posted (4 years 2 months 2 weeks 1 day 23 hours ago) and read 2580 times:
This is a horrible day. The cruelty of this attacks are incredible. I don't think we can imagine how much families are destroyed.
Its amazing how coward this bastards are as they kill always themselves so they can escape punishment. My thoughts are with the families. May victims rest in peace.
On a german newschannel they reported he didn't pass the exams while most of its classmates did. Like the other murderes they wanted revenge against the society and school.
However at one point i have to say most school systems in Europe are a total desaster and partly guilty at generating such cases IMO.
CARST From Germany, joined Jul 2006, 706 posts, RR: 1 Reply 21, posted (4 years 2 months 2 weeks 1 day 23 hours ago) and read 2567 times:
Quoting Pelican (Reply 18): How do you draw that conclusion?
Why do you ask the question? You know he is totally right. We Germans talk to much how wrong it is that in America everyone can have a weapon, but every 2 years we have our own amok mass murders in schools and the people always had legal weapons.
In Erfurt the young guy was in a shooting club himself and in this case of today his parents were hunters and had 16 (!!!) weapons in there basement and 1 (the pistol he used) in their bedroom.
He just had to go to his parents bedroom, take the 9mm pistol, take about 200 pieces of ammunition and was ready for his crazy mass murder plans...
CO777ER From United States of America, joined Jun 2005, 691 posts, RR: 0 Reply 22, posted (4 years 2 months 2 weeks 1 day 23 hours ago) and read 2555 times:
Do you know what an assault rifle is? I bet not. Educate yourself before you make false statements.
It's 11 mins. long, and will probably be the best 11 mins you will spend this evening.
Springbok747 From Australia, joined Nov 2004, 4387 posts, RR: 13 Reply 23, posted (4 years 2 months 2 weeks 1 day 23 hours ago) and read 2535 times:
Quoting CARST (Reply 21): He just had to go to his parents bedroom, take the 9mm pistol, take about 200 pieces of ammunition and was ready for his crazy mass murder plans...
Why were those weapons so accessible? If they were locked in a safe, no way he would have gotten to them. We have guns at home, but they're not lying around...they're locked in a safe with restricted access. This has nothing to do with gun laws, but more to do with irresponsible adults leaving lethal weapons lying around.
Quoting CO777ER (Reply 22): It's 11 mins. long, and will probably be the best 11 mins you will spend this evening.
Awesome video. An excellent demonstration of just how fast the appearance of a gun can be changed without affecting the function. Amazing.
Pelican From Germany, joined Apr 2004, 2530 posts, RR: 8 Reply 24, posted (4 years 2 months 2 weeks 1 day 22 hours ago) and read 2518 times:
Quoting CARST (Reply 21): Why do you ask the question? You know he is totally right.
B.S. It's far from being easy for a 17 year old to get (lawfully) a firearm in Germany. The fact is if someone is detemined to shoot somebody he'll find a way to get a gun no matter how easy or hard it is to obtain one -at least in a free society.
Quoting CARST (Reply 21): In Erfurt the young guy was in a shooting club himself and in this case of today his parents were hunters and had 16 (!!!) weapons in there basement
What difference does the number make besides a flashy headline? He needed only one gun to murder 15 people.
Quoting CARST (Reply 21): He just had to go to his parents bedroom, take the 9mm pistol
And here we are at the point were his parents didn't follow the laws for gun owners in Germany - the pistol should have been locked away. But laws can be broken...
Quoting Springbok747 (Reply 23): Why were those weapons so accessible? If they were locked in a safe, no way he would have gotten to them. We have guns at home, but they're not lying around...they're locked in a safe with restricted access. This has nothing to do with gun laws, but more to do with irresponsible adults leaving lethal weapons lying around.
Exactly.
pelican
25 FighterPilot: No AK-47 was used in either events. And that picture is of an air-soft gun! Thank you! Someone understands. This video should be a sticky, and everyo
26 OA260: Very tragic. News reports said that some students still had pens in their hands when they were found dead. Thats how quickly it all happened. RIP.
27 Haggis79: this reports have been falsified in the meantime.... yes, he had his exams last year, but he passed them (and apparently he passed them neither parti
28 Derico: Voice command or Fingerprint recognizing guns.... Since banning them will never work (just like drugs), and just arming everyone is suicidal, just dev
29 CO777ER: Banning them only keeps the honest man from purchasing one. What if you outlawed guns? What would you do when a robber breaks into your house (with a
30 Haggis79: well, in the US there are so many (legal and illegal) guns around that banning them would probably indeed have the effect you describe. In contrast,
31 TheSonntag: While I agree that this would be a likely scenario in the US, this never (so unlikely no one even remotely considers that to be a threat) really happ
32 LTU932: I just hope this won't lead to a policy, where Schools invest more in metal detectors than in textbooks. We can't fall into paranoia everytime there's
33 MD11Engineer: " target=_blank>http://edition.cnn.com/2009/WORLD/eu....html Wrong. The boy had the gun totally illegally. The guns were owned by the father who had
34 FatmirJusufi: Too bad. One of these victims was from Kosovo. Police estimated the age of those who had died at 14 to 16. Eight died immediately and another died lat
35 Haggis79: and how does that mak the whole tragic story any different?
36 FatmirJusufi: Maybe you misunderstood me but I didn't meant that way as you claimed! Fatmir
37 Keesje: Study assualty rifles ?! Hell no ! I have the vague impression many of the school killers of recent yrs were lone young guys who studied / exercised
38 JetMech: I 'm not having a go at you personally, but it is this cornerstone argument from the pro-gun side that never makes sense. I often hear from the pro-g
39 PWM2TXLHopper: Apparently you don't know much about firearms, because the 7.62mm x 39 caliber bullet that the AK-47 uses is much less powerful than the majority of
40 Na: A pipe dream. Like the stupid hypocritical slogan of the NRA "Its people which kill, not guns". Most young amok killers are the children of honest me
41 JetMech: It's a silly slogan on so many levels. Guns don't kill people of course, but they make it a hell of a lot easier, which is why we often see them used
42 PWM2TXLHopper: It's also extremely easy to kill somebody with a knife, axe, or other blunt everyday tool or object. Pick up knife, thrust into heart or head, slice
43 JetMech: Respectfully, I disagree. A knife is a very limited instrument in the grand scheme of things. You certainly could not "hide in the bushes" and pick p
44 PilotNTrng: If people were half way responsible and took care of thier weapons and they didn't end up in the hands of evil people then I wouldn't have a problem
45 Columba: Stupid people are everywhere....the fact that you have more gun related accidents in the US then elsewhere has to that they are more guns there. If y
46 JJJ: I'd like to see NRA reactions to weapon capacity limitations like the ones we have here. If you have a hunting license for a semi-auto long weapon (ei
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