LY744 From Canada, joined Feb 2001, 5536 posts, RR: 10 Reply 8, posted (11 years 8 months 2 weeks 4 days ago) and read 1236 times:
Actually, I think it was the day before the 1967 war or something like that. It was somehow related to it. I think the ship was spying on Egyptian/Soviet (and Israeli?) activity in the area. The Israelis claimed it was a mistake, but many believe there is more to it than that.
ADG From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR: Reply 9, posted (11 years 8 months 2 weeks 4 days ago) and read 1237 times:
What I find missing about threads like this on, which are very rare by the way, is the moral indignation we see when the Palestinians fire upon foreign media .....
Israel fires on foreigners
ISRAELI troops fired on a pro-Palestinian protest in the West Bank wounding an Australian woman<?b>, six other foreigners and a Palestinian cameraman.
Under mounting international pressure to roll back their military offensive launched early on Friday, nervous Israeli forces fired on some of the army of foreign pacifists roaming the West Bank in solidarity with the Palestinians.
The Israelis opened fire during a demonstration in the town of Beit Jala near Bethlehem, wounding seven foreigners, two seriously, and a Palestinian cameraman, witnesses and organisers of the protest said.
The group Solidarity International said a 26-year-old Australian woman was hit in the stomach with shrapnel and rushed into surgery. A Frenchman, 54, was shot in the head.
The other foreigners wounded were two Britons, two Americans and a Japanese, the group said. The one Palestinian wounded was a cameraman for Associated Press Television (APTV).
Jerome Lallemand, an activist for the group International Civic Campaign for the Protection of the Palestinian People who witnessed the incident, said about 60 people were demonstrating in support of the Palestinians in Beit Jala.
"An Israeli tank blocked their way and Israeli soldiers opened fire in their direction," Lallemand said.
An Israeli army spokesman said they were investigating the incident but showed little regret.
"We know for sure that it was an act of provocation carried out on purpose by members of groups supporting terrorists, supporting suicide bombers, killing our women and children," said Lieutenant Colonel Olivier Rafowicz.
"These people decided on purpose to provoke our forces where we are combating terrorism. They are deliberately trying to provoke us," he said.
Lallemand said some 500 European pacifists were currently in the region "to demonstrate against the Israeli occupation".
He said they were spread out in various areas, mainly Ramallah, Bethlehem and Beit Jala.
Interesting that they consider a peaceful protest provocation........
LY744 From Canada, joined Feb 2001, 5536 posts, RR: 10 Reply 10, posted (11 years 8 months 2 weeks 4 days ago) and read 1232 times:
"Lallemand said some 500 European pacifists were currently in the region "to demonstrate against the Israeli occupation"."
Fine with me, as long as they fly LY!
"Interesting that they consider a peaceful protest provocation"
Too bad Palestinians don't seem to favor such tactics, eh? I mean, suicide bombings bring them so much support all accross the world, imagine what would happen if, god forbid, they started protesting peacefuly?
Oh well, unfortunately, the Israelis have nothing to worry about when it comes to that.
777236ER From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR: Reply 12, posted (11 years 8 months 2 weeks 3 days 23 hours ago) and read 1207 times:
Israel has been stepping up its military offensive in the West Bank, a day after Israeli Prime Minister Ariel Sharon declared Palestinian leader Yasser Arafat an enemy and said Israel was at war.
Troops have moved into the towns of Qalqilya and Tulkarm, where several Palestinian suicide bombers originated from, and tanks are poised on the edge of Bethlehem.
The city of Ramallah, under siege for four days, is now a closed military zone, with troops ensuring Mr Arafat's headquarters are off-limits to journalists.
As the Israeli action was being stepped up, a bomb exploded in central Jerusalem, although without causing the heavy casualties of recent Palestinian militant attacks.
The blast happened as an Israeli policeman flagged down a suspect car for a security check, killing the bomber and destroying the car, the city's police chief said.
The Israeli army is now in full control of Tulkarm after tanks rolled in, backed by helicopters, on Monday afternoon.
The town had been home to the suicide bomber who blew himself up in a hotel in Netanya last week, killing more than 20 people.
Late on Monday evening, several loud blasts and heavy machinegun fire were heard near Mr Arafat's compound in Ramallah, the French news agency AFP reported.
Soldiers have been sweeping through Ramallah to search for suspected militants and have so far detained 700 people, an Israeli army spokesman said.
"We are looking for wanted people who are hiding in private buildings, in apartments...We know they are hiding in official buildings...There are some who are hiding under Arafat's wing," Brigadier-General Ron Kitrey said.
With the city under curfew, Ramallah's residents say they are running out of food.
Medical supplies are also low in the hospitals and the morgues are full because it is impossible to transport bodies to burial grounds.
Mr Sharon says the Israeli actions are aimed at eliminating once and for all what he calls the terrorists' infrastructure.
But his Foreign Minister, Shimon Peres, in an apparent criticism of government strategy, said on national television that Israel should "ease the siege" on Mr Arafat because it had "polarised media attention."
"We must not deceive ourselves. We cannot resolve the problem in one fell swoop, this is very complicated," Mr Sharon said.
Journalists are now banned from the Palestinian leader's headquarters. The BBC's Barbara Plett, who is in Ramallah, says the ban prevents Mr Arafat from making defiant statements to the media that make him look more like a hero than a defeated leader.
The Foreign Press Association has protested strongly against the expulsion of an American television crew from Ramallah and has called on Israel to respect press freedom.
"Closing an entire city to the media indefinitely is an extreme and unjustified policy that makes it impossible for us to cover the important story unfolding here," the FPA statement said.
Around 500 foreign activists are in the West Bank, peace groups say, in an attempt to halt the violence and protect Palestinians.
At least five foreigners and a Palestinian cameraman were injured in Beit Jala near Jerusalem when Israeli troops opened fire during a pro-Palestinian solidarity demonstration.
The foreigners, reported to be from Australia, France, Japan, Britain and the US, were taking part in a march in Beit Jala under the slogan "Peace not war".
But an Israeli army spokesman said the demonstrators had deliberately provoked the soldiers.
"We know for sure that it was an act of provocation carried out on purpose by members of groups supporting terrorists, supporting suicide bombers, killing our women and children," said Lieutenant-Colonel Olivier Rafowicz, quoted by the French news agency, AFP.
As Israel tightens its grip on Palestinian areas, those accused of collaborating are in increasing danger.
Masked Palestinian gunmen have shot dead 11 suspected collaborators to prevent their escape as the Israeli army rolls in.
Zeus01 From United States of America, joined May 2001, 744 posts, RR: 2 Reply 17, posted (11 years 8 months 2 weeks 3 days 17 hours ago) and read 1141 times:
Those news crews were warned not to come into Ramallah, but they did it anyway. Oh well, its only NBC. The guy described it on the news tonight, kind of cool. THe soldier shot at them. They didn't do anything, and he just started firing away on the vehicle.
Goodbye From Australia, joined Jan 2001, 909 posts, RR: 11 Reply 18, posted (11 years 8 months 2 weeks 3 days 17 hours ago) and read 1133 times:
Isn't it funny when an American journalist is killed by Muslims in Pakistan, it is considered terrible and the perpetrators should be brought to "justice", but when an American news crew comes under attack from Israelis it's "oh well it's a dangerous place"
Zeus01 From United States of America, joined May 2001, 744 posts, RR: 2 Reply 19, posted (11 years 8 months 2 weeks 3 days 17 hours ago) and read 1129 times:
The reporters were ordered to stay out of that area. The only story we have on it anyway is some stupid liberal reporter who doesn't like israel anyway. If you are told to stay out of a burning building and you went in and got burned, would you claim how terrible the building was?
Pilot1113 From United States of America, joined Aug 1999, 2333 posts, RR: 12 Reply 21, posted (11 years 8 months 2 weeks 3 days 17 hours ago) and read 1120 times:
>>Isn't it funny when an American journalist is killed by Muslims in Pakistan, it is considered terrible and the perpetrators should be brought to "justice",
I think this is a different situation. Israel went to great lengths to keep journalists out, but an NBC crew sneaked behind the backs of the Israeli army. The NBC crew had repeated warnings not to go into that area. For some reason or another they believed that they were somehow "devine" and that they would be protected by flying bullets and went anyhow.
Delta-flyer From United States of America, joined Jul 2001, 2676 posts, RR: 7 Reply 22, posted (11 years 8 months 2 weeks 3 days 17 hours ago) and read 1118 times:
I would imagine it's very difficult to conduct a war where the soldiers can't tell who is the enemy and who is just a "peaceful" demonstrator. People have been known to get injured and killed just demonstrating even without a war going on.....