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Israeli Troops Open Fire On NBC News Crew  
User currently offlineLOT767-300ER From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Posted (12 years 4 months 3 weeks 2 days 1 hour ago) and read 1503 times:

MSNBC has just reported that a NBC News Crew came under attack by the Israeli troops in the city of Ramallah.

Quite schocking i think that Israel would fire on a US news crew.

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User currently offlineDe727ups From United States of America, joined Nov 2000, 814 posts, RR: 13
Reply 1, posted (12 years 4 months 3 weeks 2 days 1 hour ago) and read 1443 times:

Shouldn't surprize anyone. They attacked a US Navy ship in the 70's.

User currently offlineTWAL1011 From United States of America, joined Nov 2003, 205 posts, RR: 1
Reply 2, posted (12 years 4 months 3 weeks 2 days 1 hour ago) and read 1441 times:

Well, I'm just glad it wasn't a Fox crew. That would classified as a loss.

User currently offlineTWAL1011 From United States of America, joined Nov 2003, 205 posts, RR: 1
Reply 3, posted (12 years 4 months 3 weeks 2 days 1 hour ago) and read 1433 times:

Well, I'm just glad it wasn't a Fox crew. That would be classified as a loss.

User currently offlineMls515 From United States of America, joined Jun 2000, 3076 posts, RR: 9
Reply 4, posted (12 years 4 months 3 weeks 2 days 1 hour ago) and read 1425 times:



Yea, I'd be pretty pissed if it was a Fox crew, although I could forgive them if they took out Geraldo.


User currently offline777236ER From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 5, posted (12 years 4 months 3 weeks 2 days 1 hour ago) and read 1410 times:

BBC news crews too, at a peace protest.


User currently offlineLY744 From Canada, joined Feb 2001, 5536 posts, RR: 10
Reply 6, posted (12 years 4 months 3 weeks 2 days 1 hour ago) and read 1397 times:

It happened in the late 60's, De727ups. 1967, I believe.

LY744.



Pacifism only works if EVERYBODY practices it
User currently offlineL-188 From United States of America, joined Jul 1999, 29792 posts, RR: 58
Reply 7, posted (12 years 4 months 3 weeks 2 days 1 hour ago) and read 1390 times:

Yeah I want to say that it was during the 67 war but don't quote me.

Thank god it wasn't a FOX crew.



OBAMA-WORST PRESIDENT EVER....Even SKOORB would be better.
User currently offlineLY744 From Canada, joined Feb 2001, 5536 posts, RR: 10
Reply 8, posted (12 years 4 months 3 weeks 2 days 1 hour ago) and read 1372 times:

Actually, I think it was the day before the 1967 war or something like that. It was somehow related to it. I think the ship was spying on Egyptian/Soviet (and Israeli?) activity in the area. The Israelis claimed it was a mistake, but many believe there is more to it than that.

LY744.



Pacifism only works if EVERYBODY practices it
User currently offlineADG From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 9, posted (12 years 4 months 3 weeks 2 days 1 hour ago) and read 1373 times:

What I find missing about threads like this on, which are very rare by the way, is the moral indignation we see when the Palestinians fire upon foreign media .....

Israel fires on foreigners
Agence France-Presse
02apr02


ISRAELI troops fired on a pro-Palestinian protest in the West Bank wounding an Australian woman<?b>, six other foreigners and a Palestinian cameraman.

Under mounting international pressure to roll back their military offensive launched early on Friday, nervous Israeli forces fired on some of the army of foreign pacifists roaming the West Bank in solidarity with the Palestinians.

The Israelis opened fire during a demonstration in the town of Beit Jala near Bethlehem, wounding seven foreigners, two seriously, and a Palestinian cameraman, witnesses and organisers of the protest said.

The group Solidarity International said a 26-year-old Australian woman was hit in the stomach with shrapnel and rushed into surgery. A Frenchman, 54, was shot in the head.

The other foreigners wounded were two Britons, two Americans and a Japanese, the group said. The one Palestinian wounded was a cameraman for Associated Press Television (APTV).

Jerome Lallemand, an activist for the group International Civic Campaign for the Protection of the Palestinian People who witnessed the incident, said about 60 people were demonstrating in support of the Palestinians in Beit Jala.

"An Israeli tank blocked their way and Israeli soldiers opened fire in their direction," Lallemand said.

An Israeli army spokesman said they were investigating the incident but showed little regret.

"We know for sure that it was an act of provocation carried out on purpose by members of groups supporting terrorists, supporting suicide bombers, killing our women and children," said Lieutenant Colonel Olivier Rafowicz.

"These people decided on purpose to provoke our forces where we are combating terrorism. They are deliberately trying to provoke us," he said.

Lallemand said some 500 European pacifists were currently in the region "to demonstrate against the Israeli occupation".

He said they were spread out in various areas, mainly Ramallah, Bethlehem and Beit Jala.

my comment

Interesting that they consider a peaceful protest provocation........





VH-ADG


User currently offlineLY744 From Canada, joined Feb 2001, 5536 posts, RR: 10
Reply 10, posted (12 years 4 months 3 weeks 2 days 1 hour ago) and read 1368 times:

"Lallemand said some 500 European pacifists were currently in the region "to demonstrate against the Israeli occupation"."

Fine with me, as long as they fly LY!  Laugh out loud

"Interesting that they consider a peaceful protest provocation"

Too bad Palestinians don't seem to favor such tactics, eh? I mean, suicide bombings bring them so much support all accross the world, imagine what would happen if, god forbid, they started protesting peacefuly?  Insane

Oh well, unfortunately, the Israelis have nothing to worry about when it comes to that.


LY744.



Pacifism only works if EVERYBODY practices it
User currently offlineSingapore_Air From United Kingdom, joined Nov 2000, 13739 posts, RR: 19
Reply 11, posted (12 years 4 months 3 weeks 2 days ago) and read 1348 times:

Though I have supported Israel throughout this conflict, I am must unimpressed at their actions against the BBC and NBC. How stupid.


Anyone can fly, only the best Soar.
User currently offline777236ER From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 12, posted (12 years 4 months 3 weeks 2 days ago) and read 1343 times:

Israel has been stepping up its military offensive in the West Bank, a day after Israeli Prime Minister Ariel Sharon declared Palestinian leader Yasser Arafat an enemy and said Israel was at war.
Troops have moved into the towns of Qalqilya and Tulkarm, where several Palestinian suicide bombers originated from, and tanks are poised on the edge of Bethlehem.


The city of Ramallah, under siege for four days, is now a closed military zone, with troops ensuring Mr Arafat's headquarters are off-limits to journalists.

As the Israeli action was being stepped up, a bomb exploded in central Jerusalem, although without causing the heavy casualties of recent Palestinian militant attacks.

The blast happened as an Israeli policeman flagged down a suspect car for a security check, killing the bomber and destroying the car, the city's police chief said.

The Israeli army is now in full control of Tulkarm after tanks rolled in, backed by helicopters, on Monday afternoon.

The town had been home to the suicide bomber who blew himself up in a hotel in Netanya last week, killing more than 20 people.

Widespread arrests

Late on Monday evening, several loud blasts and heavy machinegun fire were heard near Mr Arafat's compound in Ramallah, the French news agency AFP reported.

Soldiers have been sweeping through Ramallah to search for suspected militants and have so far detained 700 people, an Israeli army spokesman said.

"We are looking for wanted people who are hiding in private buildings, in apartments...We know they are hiding in official buildings...There are some who are hiding under Arafat's wing," Brigadier-General Ron Kitrey said.

With the city under curfew, Ramallah's residents say they are running out of food.

Medical supplies are also low in the hospitals and the morgues are full because it is impossible to transport bodies to burial grounds.

Mr Sharon says the Israeli actions are aimed at eliminating once and for all what he calls the terrorists' infrastructure.

But his Foreign Minister, Shimon Peres, in an apparent criticism of government strategy, said on national television that Israel should "ease the siege" on Mr Arafat because it had "polarised media attention."

"We must not deceive ourselves. We cannot resolve the problem in one fell swoop, this is very complicated," Mr Sharon said.

Media blackout

Journalists are now banned from the Palestinian leader's headquarters. The BBC's Barbara Plett, who is in Ramallah, says the ban prevents Mr Arafat from making defiant statements to the media that make him look more like a hero than a defeated leader.

The Foreign Press Association has protested strongly against the expulsion of an American television crew from Ramallah and has called on Israel to respect press freedom.

"Closing an entire city to the media indefinitely is an extreme and unjustified policy that makes it impossible for us to cover the important story unfolding here," the FPA statement said.

Around 500 foreign activists are in the West Bank, peace groups say, in an attempt to halt the violence and protect Palestinians.

Peace march

At least five foreigners and a Palestinian cameraman were injured in Beit Jala near Jerusalem when Israeli troops opened fire during a pro-Palestinian solidarity demonstration.

The foreigners, reported to be from Australia, France, Japan, Britain and the US, were taking part in a march in Beit Jala under the slogan "Peace not war".

But an Israeli army spokesman said the demonstrators had deliberately provoked the soldiers.

"We know for sure that it was an act of provocation carried out on purpose by members of groups supporting terrorists, supporting suicide bombers, killing our women and children," said Lieutenant-Colonel Olivier Rafowicz, quoted by the French news agency, AFP.

As Israel tightens its grip on Palestinian areas, those accused of collaborating are in increasing danger.

Masked Palestinian gunmen have shot dead 11 suspected collaborators to prevent their escape as the Israeli army rolls in.


Source: BBC


User currently offlineLY744 From Canada, joined Feb 2001, 5536 posts, RR: 10
Reply 13, posted (12 years 4 months 3 weeks 1 day 22 hours ago) and read 1330 times:

"Masked Palestinian gunmen have shot dead 11 suspected collaborators to prevent their escape as the Israeli army rolls in."

Why do the actions of Palestinian terrorists always sound less negative when they are reported by the BBC?

LY744.



Pacifism only works if EVERYBODY practices it
User currently offlineWatewate From Canada, joined Nov 2000, 2284 posts, RR: 1
Reply 14, posted (12 years 4 months 3 weeks 1 day 20 hours ago) and read 1307 times:

Is Geraldo working for NBC now? That's about the only logical explanation for the ambush...

User currently offlinePilot1113 From United States of America, joined Aug 1999, 2333 posts, RR: 11
Reply 15, posted (12 years 4 months 3 weeks 1 day 19 hours ago) and read 1296 times:

The news media seems to believe they're exempt from the rules. Maybe this will get those journalists to realize that Israel isn't joking.

- Neil Harrison


User currently offlineHawkeye2 From United States of America, joined Mar 2002, 234 posts, RR: 0
Reply 16, posted (12 years 4 months 3 weeks 1 day 18 hours ago) and read 1281 times:

Were the journalists armed?

If they were not, then they are explicitly afforded protection under the Geneva Convention which Israel has adhered to, much like doctors and aid workers also are.

If they were armed, then they're like other military personnel from the point of view of international law.


User currently offlineZeus01 From United States of America, joined May 2001, 744 posts, RR: 2
Reply 17, posted (12 years 4 months 3 weeks 1 day 18 hours ago) and read 1277 times:

Those news crews were warned not to come into Ramallah, but they did it anyway. Oh well, its only NBC. The guy described it on the news tonight, kind of cool. THe soldier shot at them. They didn't do anything, and he just started firing away on the vehicle.



User currently offlineGoodbye From Australia, joined Jan 2001, 913 posts, RR: 10
Reply 18, posted (12 years 4 months 3 weeks 1 day 18 hours ago) and read 1269 times:

Isn't it funny when an American journalist is killed by Muslims in Pakistan, it is considered terrible and the perpetrators should be brought to "justice", but when an American news crew comes under attack from Israelis it's "oh well it's a dangerous place"

User currently offlineZeus01 From United States of America, joined May 2001, 744 posts, RR: 2
Reply 19, posted (12 years 4 months 3 weeks 1 day 18 hours ago) and read 1265 times:

Goodbye:

The reporters were ordered to stay out of that area. The only story we have on it anyway is some stupid liberal reporter who doesn't like israel anyway. If you are told to stay out of a burning building and you went in and got burned, would you claim how terrible the building was?


User currently offlineGoodbye From Australia, joined Jan 2001, 913 posts, RR: 10
Reply 20, posted (12 years 4 months 3 weeks 1 day 18 hours ago) and read 1258 times:

Zeus01: seems more like "double standards" than anything else....

User currently offlinePilot1113 From United States of America, joined Aug 1999, 2333 posts, RR: 11
Reply 21, posted (12 years 4 months 3 weeks 1 day 18 hours ago) and read 1256 times:

>>Isn't it funny when an American journalist is killed by Muslims in Pakistan, it is considered terrible and the perpetrators should be brought to "justice",

I think this is a different situation. Israel went to great lengths to keep journalists out, but an NBC crew sneaked behind the backs of the Israeli army. The NBC crew had repeated warnings not to go into that area. For some reason or another they believed that they were somehow "devine" and that they would be protected by flying bullets and went anyhow.

- Neil Harrison


User currently offlineDelta-flyer From United States of America, joined Jul 2001, 2676 posts, RR: 6
Reply 22, posted (12 years 4 months 3 weeks 1 day 18 hours ago) and read 1254 times:

I would imagine it's very difficult to conduct a war where the soldiers can't tell who is the enemy and who is just a "peaceful" demonstrator. People have been known to get injured and killed just demonstrating even without a war going on.....

Pete


User currently offlineLOT767-300ER From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 23, posted (12 years 4 months 3 weeks 1 day 18 hours ago) and read 1254 times:

Personally i dont support neither Israel nor Palestine. But i dont understand how a NBC crew could SNEAK on the Israeli army????? come on its NBC for gods sake!

User currently offlineDELL_dude From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 24, posted (12 years 4 months 3 weeks 1 day 16 hours ago) and read 1247 times:

too bad it wasn't that war whore Christiane Imawhore.

25 ADG : Too bad Palestinians don't seem to favor such tactics, eh? I mean, suicide bombings bring them so much support all accross the world, imagine what wou
26 LY744 : "What a stupid thing to say. Shooting at the media merely indicates that there is something going on that Israel doesn't want the world to see" You're
27 Post contains links 777236ER : http://news.bbc.co.uk/hi/english/world/middle_east/newsid_1906000/1906274.stm http://news.bbc.co.uk/hi/english/world/middle_east/newsid_1906000/190631
28 ADG : You're joking, right? So the private who allegedely shot a few rounds at a vehicle (probably not knowing who was inside) is part of a higher conspirac
29 Pilot1113 : >>Was the the clearly marked media vehicle? Guess they don't breed them too clever in that part of the world? No, it was a white Yugo like the thousan
30 RogueTrader : Some have said the NBC crew were in a common unmarked vehicle and that their identity was unknown to the Israelis. Others have implied that the Israel
31 Go Canada! : im pro-israeli but i dont agree with attacking news crews, im sorry but some people have gone to far. "Why do the actions of Palestinian terrorists al
32 LY744 : "How come the Palestinians don't get to ban the media when they go on the offensive?" Because the situation is covered almost exclusively by free lanc
33 ADG : Some have said the NBC crew were in a common unmarked vehicle and that their identity was unknown to the Israelis. So we either have the Israelis shoo
34 Post contains images ADG : Because the situation is covered almost exclusively by free lance Palestinian journalists (as all others, including Israelis, are banned). That's not
35 Post contains images LY744 : "Are the Palestinians now dressing up in Israeli uniforms" Palestinian terrorists have carried out several attacks in which they were wearing IDF look
36 RealHigh : Well, I'm just glad it wasn't a Fox crew. That would classified as a loss. Is there really a difference? Don't you think it's rather sick to gloat abo
37 Post contains images LY744 : "That's not always the case and you know it" Yes, that's why I said "almost exclusively". LY744.
38 Tbar220 : Realhigh, Just some dark humor, view it like that.
39 Pilot1113 : I think the firing on NBC journalists were out of frustration. Israel kept telling the news media to stay away, but the media kept sneaking around. I
40 Twaneedsnohelp : I haven't seen any article about Israel firing on NBC, so I can't make a determination their. Can someone supply the NBC link, because I haven't read
41 777236ER : TNNH, although not in the online article, the actual segment on News 24 was pretty disturbing. The protestors weren't getting in the way, yet were bei
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