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What Is Really Going On In The Middle East?  
User currently offlineEL-AL From Israel, joined Oct 2001, 1354 posts, RR: 13
Posted (12 years 8 months 3 weeks 3 days 5 hours ago) and read 607 times:

Dear People,
In the news we all hear a lot about the middle east. Most of the people dont know what is the conflict about, or thay know only a small part of it. So for all of the people who want to the hole story, this is for u:
As u all can read in the holy Bible, the land of israel is the hart of the jewish people in the last 5000 years, 3000 years befour jesus was born, & 3600 years about Muhamad (the "father" of the muslims) was born.
In the year 70 the Romiens exprted by force the jewish people after thay destoried thier capital (Jerusalem) & killed jews from city to city, until thay destroies the last part that the jews had in the land of israel, Metzada, in the year 73.
For the next 2000 years, the jews were out of thier holy land while others, like Muslims went into israel. (The Muslims built in the place where the Jewish Temple was standing in the Temple munt. in Jerusalem a bulding named today "Al Aqutzs". Toady the muslims r saying the Jerusalem should by a part of a plastinian muslim state, because this place is holy to them. Thay built it in the year 800. The Jewish Temple was there in the year 500 BC. So Jerusalem should by Jewish or Arab? by the way, 71% of the people of Jerusalem today r jews)
For the 2000 years that the jews were out of israel, the people of the world killed them, robbed them, destroies thier homes & raped thier weman. All of the acts aginst the jews, that the most famus of them was the export of the jews of Spain in 1492,the anty jewish atmosfire in Europe in the 18 centery, the Pogroms in Russia in the early 20`s centery, & of cours the Horoble Holocast, that 7 million jews were merderd in it (in cloud my family by the way) only becouse thay were jews, proved the point that the jews need a place of thay own, in thier holy land, in Home, in the land of ISRAEL, & only israel. The jews says "NO" to all the suggstions out if israel, incloud Uganda that was offerd to the Jews by the British.
The fact that the jews need a state in israel was decided in the UN, in the 29/11/1947 when 33 states vs. 11 says "YES" to a jewish state in israel, together with a plastinian state.
The jews were very happy, & went to celebrate in the streets of Tel Aviv that night. But the Arabs did not.
At the same night, the Arabs in israel, & in 6 months later together with 7 arabs armies (Egypt, Jorden, Lebanon, Syria, Iraq, Yamman & Sudan) went to fight the new state, & to make all the land to an arab state, without a state to the jewish people.
The war war hard. Young Israel lost 1% of her pupulation in the war, but we won, the jewish state become from a dearm to real.
The arab stste was accupied by, belive it or not, arab forces, so there was no arab state, only zone that become part of arab states: the West Bank (Jorden) & the Gaza Strip (Egypt).
Throw the years, israel was attekd all the time by people who wanted to destroy her, to make an arab state insted of israel. One of the most "famus" attecks happend in the 1972 Olympics in Munich, i gess u all know what i am talking about.
In 1994 Israel PM Rabin, sined a peace agrement with the man who is the leader of the grup who want to build an arab state in israel, Yasser Arafat, & Israel Gave Gaza & the cities of the west bank to the arabs.
In the summer of the year 2000, Israeli PM Aehud Barak went with Arafat to the USA to maek a finel agreement to finish the conflict.
Barak offerd Arafat things that he cant deam of: Half of Jerusalem, all the Gaza Strip, All the west Bank & parts of southern israel. Can he have more? exept his underwear he took everything.
But this man, Arafat, a man of terror, says NO.
Thay dont want to live in peace, thay want war.
Then the riots began. Since September 2000 israel is under atteck. More them 400 israelis were killed, only for beening israelis. Thay were killed in Malls, in Disco Clubs, in Resturunts & in the Roads.
Until in the 28/3/2002 an arab blew himself in the middle of an hotel while israelis had a dinner during the passover holyday (one of the most holy days in the jewish world-& thay r saying that we made the war a war against the muslims). 23 were Killed. PM Sharon says that this is it.
He offerd to Arafat one last chance to stop the terror, Arafat spit in his face.
Then Sharon decided to let the IDF (israeli army) to work aginst the terror. & since then the IDF with his heros soldiors r working aginst the arab terror in the arab cities of the west bank. This is the same terror who destroied the WTC in 11/9. An arab Muslim terror.
This is not a war only for israel. This is a war that israel dont want in, but we must do it, to stop the terror that hits as for the last 19 months.
I hope that the world will sepport in israel while she is flighting aginst the terror like the world sepported the USA in Afghanistan.


"In Israel, on order to be a realist, one's must believe in miracles" - David Ben Gurion.
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User currently offlineHepkat From Austria, joined Aug 2000, 2341 posts, RR: 2
Reply 1, posted (12 years 8 months 3 weeks 3 days 5 hours ago) and read 562 times:

I really hope this isn't what they're teaching schoolkids in Israel. But then again, someone once said, during a war, the first casualty is the truth.

User currently offlineTbar220 From United States of America, joined Feb 2000, 7013 posts, RR: 26
Reply 2, posted (12 years 8 months 3 weeks 3 days 5 hours ago) and read 559 times:

Ack! Please check your grammer and spelling, its appaling in some places, I didn't even read the whole thing.

Apart from that, I agree with most of what you said. Only six million Jews were killed in the Holocaust, not seven million.



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User currently offlineNik From Germany, joined Jul 2005, 0 posts, RR: 0
Reply 3, posted (12 years 8 months 3 weeks 3 days 5 hours ago) and read 546 times:

An extremely biassed account of what has been going on over the years. It seems to me that quite a few things were conveniently left out...

User currently offlineSpaceman From United States of America, joined Jul 2000, 534 posts, RR: 0
Reply 4, posted (12 years 8 months 3 weeks 3 days 4 hours ago) and read 543 times:

Please make sure what you are spelling before you write. Please.

User currently offlineHeavymetal From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 5, posted (12 years 8 months 3 weeks 3 days 4 hours ago) and read 540 times:

As u all can read in the holy Bible,

THAT is what's going on in the Middle East.

5,000 year old words are more important to all of you than 5 year old children.






User currently offlineEL-AL From Israel, joined Oct 2001, 1354 posts, RR: 13
Reply 6, posted (12 years 8 months 3 weeks 2 days 17 hours ago) and read 521 times:

Hapkat,
In the name of your People,
the poeple who were 35% of the working man in the death camps, The people that his land is Hilter`s home land, the people that took an active part in the German`s Devel plan to destroy the jewish poeple & to take over the world, a people that kill & destroy for years the jews who were in his land (remember the cristal night? ask your grandfather!),The people that because of him together with the Germans 55000000 men & weman lost thier lives in the WW2, & 10000000 more in the WW1, for all of this, & can give u a lot of more exempls,
If i was in your place, i would have stay quite.

For the dude who wrote that in the Holocast 6 million were merderd, maybe u r right. During the Holocast the jews were merderd in meny ways (ask the dude from Austria, he can tell u about it!), & most of them were not written anywhere. The common belive is that between 6-8 were merderd.

Heavymetal,
What kids u talk about? The IDF herts only people who take an active part in the riots or in the terror. Too bad that sometimes the Palastinians r sending thier kids to the front line, so thay can get hert to thay can show the kids to the world. U r all in shook i gess, but this is the truth. Open the TV & see, who r the people that r always in the front line? KIDS.
Thats the people we r dealing with.

About my English, i am very soory.
But please all remember that English is not my first lang, I gess my English is better then your hebrow.



"In Israel, on order to be a realist, one's must believe in miracles" - David Ben Gurion.
User currently offlineRyanb741 From United Kingdom, joined Mar 2002, 3221 posts, RR: 15
Reply 7, posted (12 years 8 months 3 weeks 2 days 17 hours ago) and read 520 times:

What is Hebrew for 'Propaganda'. Because unfortunately, that's all the post is.

Come on man, there is way more to it than this. Like Israelis living on Palestinian land, perhaps?



I used to think the brain is the most fascinating part of my body. But, hey, who is telling me that?
User currently offlineEL-AL From Israel, joined Oct 2001, 1354 posts, RR: 13
Reply 8, posted (12 years 8 months 3 weeks 2 days 17 hours ago) and read 515 times:

Dear Raynb741,
I want u to know, that about the poeple who live the zones that have mainly plastinians, i TOTALY agree with u.
In the eyes of the world, in the eyes of most of the israelis, & in my eyes too, thay r an obstical for peace.
I belive that in an agreement with the PLO, something that i hope to see as soon as possible, thay will be taken out of this homes, & will be put in "jewish" israel.
Dont forget that thay r a small group, of about 50000 people, that about 80% of them can stay were thay live, because thay dont live in a plastinians pupulate zones, so we talk about something like 10000 people or less.



"In Israel, on order to be a realist, one's must believe in miracles" - David Ben Gurion.
User currently offlineHepkat From Austria, joined Aug 2000, 2341 posts, RR: 2
Reply 9, posted (12 years 8 months 3 weeks 2 days 17 hours ago) and read 516 times:

EL AL, I'm offering you my compassion rather than contempt. I am a 26 year old black man, born and raised in the U.S., currently working in Vienna.

"He who knows not, and knows not that he knows not, he is a fool, shun him."

"He who knows not, and knows he knows not, he is a child, teach him."


User currently offlineRyanb741 From United Kingdom, joined Mar 2002, 3221 posts, RR: 15
Reply 10, posted (12 years 8 months 3 weeks 2 days 16 hours ago) and read 511 times:

EL-AL.

I don't want to say too much, as I can see from your profile that you live in Israel and are therefore profoundly affected by all the violence.

All I will say is that there are bad people on both sides of this conflict. I would love the terrorist attacks to stop too - but I am afraid that your ideological argument does not bode well for peace (nor does the Palestinians' demonisation of Israel).



I used to think the brain is the most fascinating part of my body. But, hey, who is telling me that?
User currently offlineADG From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 11, posted (12 years 8 months 3 weeks 2 days 16 hours ago) and read 508 times:

Well, EL AL invited me in here to read what he said .. what can I say? I'm speechless .. If he were my kid (and I have one his age), I'd be slapping the teachers around and suing the school......

Perhaps ELAL might take a little visit over the the UN's web site and have a read about the history of Palestine/Israel according to the non Israeli world?

What does Farenheit 451 signify again?



VH-ADG


User currently offlineRacko From Germany, joined Nov 2001, 4857 posts, RR: 20
Reply 12, posted (12 years 8 months 3 weeks 2 days 15 hours ago) and read 494 times:

I think it's funny that he doesn't even mention the year 1967...

Hepkat wrote: "the first casualty is the truth."
Too bad, but it's true.

If that's the story they tell the kids in the israelian schools, than i doubt that there will ever be peace in Israel.


User currently offlineEL-AL From Israel, joined Oct 2001, 1354 posts, RR: 13
Reply 13, posted (12 years 8 months 3 weeks 2 days 12 hours ago) and read 481 times:

Hepkat,
First of all, i want to tell u the if i know that u r black, i wouldnt have say the things to u. Sorry.
Secend, can u look me in the eyes (as much as the PC allow as) & to tell me that the Austrians never did or said something to u because u r black? If u say that thay did not, or u r lying, or u r in Austria not enought time. Does the Name Yurg Hieder says something to u?

Rayn,
Again, i agree with u. There r poeple who dont want peace in the israeli side as well as in the arab side.

ADG,
First of all, i am glad that u went here to read it. Thank u.
About what u said about the UN, the UN is taking for years the arab side because of the prushere that the Arab stats put on the UN, together with the USSR & eastern Europe until 1991.

Racko,
In the year 1967 5 Arab armies was just about to enter israel, to destoy her, & to make a 3rd Holocast to the jews (u dont belive? take a look at some of the things that the Egptian Persedent, Natzer, Said in May 1967).
Israel had to atteck first in order to servive, & she did.
In 6 days the IDF won aginst 3 states. Amazing thing.
The zones that were taken by israel from Egypt was reternd to her in the peace agreement in 1979.
The Eastern Part of our Capital Together with the Empty Golan was declierd As part of israel.
Gaza & the West Bank was given to the Plastinians in Oslo agreements.
So all the zones that were taken by israel is now back to the arabs, exept Jerusalem (will Frence give half of Paris? i dont thing so. israel do the same) & the Golan because Syria said "NO" to all israel offers for peace.
But let me ask u something: Does this war let the arabs to kill as for so long? First of all, thay tried to kill as fefour, & as i told u the war was opened because thay wanted to destroy israel. & secend, what would have u feel if u had gone to a disco club with your frindes, & someone would have blew himself together with 21 of your frindes? Think about it.
German, i offer u to read the same thing that i wrote in my first reply to the Austrian black dude, thay r for people like u too.




"In Israel, on order to be a realist, one's must believe in miracles" - David Ben Gurion.
User currently offlineRacko From Germany, joined Nov 2001, 4857 posts, RR: 20
Reply 14, posted (12 years 8 months 3 weeks 2 days 12 hours ago) and read 475 times:

EL-AL, to make it short:

Israel simply attacked countries without declaring war. just like those damn terrorists on the 11/9 did, they just came and attacked a country. And the Frenchmen have not stolen Paris from another country, Paris has been a French city for hundreds of years.

And for if you judge me for my nationality, you just show your pure ignorance and stupidity. In the WW2, Germany judged people just for being jewish, and that's terribly sick. But if you now judge people just for being German or Austrian, that is the same basic idea the Nazis had.


User currently offlineRacko From Germany, joined Nov 2001, 4857 posts, RR: 20
Reply 15, posted (12 years 8 months 3 weeks 2 days 12 hours ago) and read 461 times:

Oh, and today's Germany is for sure not more racistic than any other european country, probably less racistic. Racistic crimes are pursued hard, and showing the swastika is forbidden.

How many Arabs live in Israel who have never been discriminiated ?

Thinking your own country/people is great and other countries/people is just the sick nazi mentality.


User currently offlineEL-AL From Israel, joined Oct 2001, 1354 posts, RR: 13
Reply 16, posted (12 years 8 months 3 weeks 2 days 12 hours ago) and read 455 times:

Racko,
As i told u, israel opened war in 1967 because the arab armies was just about to atteck her.
Eguptian Forces were on the Border ready to atteck, Jordenian Forces were ready around the City of Tul- Carem to atteck israel were she was 15km wide & to saperate israel to 2 parts.
Syria was bombing the israeli cities in the Galil from the Golan non-stop & made thier lives a living hell since 1949.
Yea, thats just the resons that the muslims attecked the WTC in 11/9.
What do u mean that the Frenchmen have not stolen Paris from another county? Israel stole Jerualem? Jerusalem is the Capital of israel since the day the israel was born, & as u can read in the artical, since the days of the bible.



"In Israel, on order to be a realist, one's must believe in miracles" - David Ben Gurion.
User currently offlineTbar220 From United States of America, joined Feb 2000, 7013 posts, RR: 26
Reply 17, posted (12 years 8 months 3 weeks 2 days 12 hours ago) and read 454 times:

Israel simply attacked countries without declaring war

In a war of survival, that is what you do. Give me one time in Israel's history where they didn't have to do what they did.

1956? The Egyptians were massing their troops on the Israeli border. Israel had to do what it did. Sinai is still under Egyptian control.

1967? If they didn't carry out those pre-emptive attacks, we might not see Israel on the map today.

1973? They were not the attackers.

1982? 1000's of Hezbullah and PLO attacks had been carried out from Lebanese soil into Israel. Israel did what they had to do.

You are sick to compare these actions to the terrorist attacks on 9/11. Perhaps you should first compare the innumerous suicide bombings that have hit Israel first to 9/11 before you make statements like that.



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User currently offlineAerLingus From China, joined Mar 2000, 2371 posts, RR: 0
Reply 18, posted (12 years 8 months 3 weeks 2 days 12 hours ago) and read 454 times:

There is an ethos dictated by the book "The Law of Nations" (I believe that's what the title is. I heard about it on the PBS programme "Newshour") that attempts to explain the method of finding who is truly the justified party in a conflict.

Basic gist: The party that takes up arms against civilians is the party that immediately forfeits its justification. The Arabs in Israel therefore became terrorists, and therefore in my opinion, they have lost their validity.

Why, with their holiest sites far away in Saudi Arabia, would they want to strap explosives to their bodies or pick up an AK-47 to kill innocent Israelis. The answer is simple. THEY HATE THEM AND WANT THEM WIPED OFF THE FACE OF THE EARTH!

Why else would they want to take up arms against a tiny nation that is smaller than most US states?



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User currently offlineEL-AL From Israel, joined Oct 2001, 1354 posts, RR: 13
Reply 19, posted (12 years 8 months 3 weeks 2 days 12 hours ago) and read 450 times:

& there is someone who can teach me better about the nazis then a German?


"In Israel, on order to be a realist, one's must believe in miracles" - David Ben Gurion.
User currently offlineNik From Germany, joined Jul 2005, 0 posts, RR: 0
Reply 20, posted (12 years 8 months 3 weeks 2 days 12 hours ago) and read 442 times:

AerLingus,
What about the innocent Palestinians that have been killed and opressed over the years?
Was that justified, in your opinion?
Or maybe it didn't happen at all?


User currently offlineFritzi From United Arab Emirates, joined Jun 2001, 2762 posts, RR: 2
Reply 21, posted (12 years 8 months 3 weeks 2 days 11 hours ago) and read 439 times:

EL-AL, you are saying that all Austrians and Germans are Nazi´s. Trust me, they´re not. More than 99% of the Austrians/Germans that I have met don´t even want to talk about the Nazi´s/Hitler because they are embarrased about it.