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Why Do Smokers Throw Their Butts On The Ground?  
User currently onlineTugger From United States of America, joined Apr 2006, 5676 posts, RR: 10
Posted (5 years 7 months 2 weeks 11 hours ago) and read 4400 times:

Why do some people think it is OK to toss cigarette butts on the ground?

I've watched people tossing them from their cars as they drive, as they are walking, and even saw it on a national "reality" police program where a Sargent at a crash investigation threw one into the street saying "OK breaks over, time to get to work".

I have told people at stop lights "hey, you dropped something" and several have, embarrassed, opened their doors and picked it up (and many have looked at me as some freak and driven off). I have gotten out of my car gone and picked up the butt and handed it to the person (twice so far) saying "you dropped this" (as they take it from me staring with wide eyes in concern of what this obviously crazy person will do next). I have asked people as they walk away from the cigarette butt why they dropped and did they know they should throw it away? I try to make it public and make people aware that this "habit" (which how one person described it before sheepishly picking up the discarded butt) it is seen and not acceptable.

My sister smokes and when she is done she (and her husband) will roll the cherry off the cigarette, mash it out, then pocket the butt if needed until a receptacle is available, this is they way any smoker should be. I mean cars (until recently) have ashtrays, many public trash cans have sand to put out a cigarette, and always there is a choice. Why do so many smokers think it is OK to just flick it away onto the ground?

Tugg

[Edited 2009-03-15 14:04:26]


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User currently offlineClassicLover From Ireland, joined Mar 2004, 4643 posts, RR: 23
Reply 1, posted (5 years 7 months 2 weeks 11 hours ago) and read 4380 times:



Quoting Tugger (Thread starter):
Why do so many smokers think it is OK to just flick it away onto the ground?

Convenience really...

Yeah it's sucky, but sometimes there just aren't any bins!



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User currently offlineACDC8 From Canada, joined Mar 2005, 7643 posts, RR: 35
Reply 2, posted (5 years 7 months 2 weeks 11 hours ago) and read 4378 times:

I never keep the butt on me, putting it in your pocket just reeks even more which other people start complaining about, especially the person doing you laundry .... Big grin If I'm not around a trash can, I'll usually look around to find one and toss it in otherwise, if I do have to throw it on the ground, I grind the hell out of it with my foot so theres very little left.

I usually try to smoke around a trash can, that way when I'm done I'll snuff it out (and double check to make sure its out and not hot anymore) and toss it in. I rarely smoke in my car, but on the odd occasion that I do, I'll usually have an empty paper cup in the car and putt a bit of water or other beverage in it so I just use it as an ashtray, and when I get out of the car, I just grab it and throw it in the trash.



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User currently offlineDougloid From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 3, posted (5 years 7 months 2 weeks 10 hours ago) and read 4369 times:



Quoting Tugger (Thread starter):
Why do some people think it is OK to toss cigarette butts on the ground?

Perhaps the point could be made by whipping our drawers down and placing a reeking, steaming turd on their desks. Hmmm?


User currently offlineACDC8 From Canada, joined Mar 2005, 7643 posts, RR: 35
Reply 4, posted (5 years 7 months 2 weeks 10 hours ago) and read 4327 times:



Quoting Tugger (Thread starter):
I mean cars (until recently) have ashtrays, many public trash cans have sand to put out a cigarette, and always there is a choice. Why do so many smokers think it is OK to just flick it away onto the ground?

Here's a bit of a problem though, most establishments (at least in Canada) want to discourage people from smoking, so ashtrays are being removed left, right and center making it very difficult for those of us who are responsible in getting rid of our butts. To add to this, those holier-than-thou non-smokers who always need to make some sort of self righteous point will bitch at you no matter what you do. If you throw it on the ground, they'll bitch that thats disgusting and littering. If you throw it in the trash, they'll bitch that thats not what the trash is for. If you keep it on your person, they'll bitch that you stink and they shouldn't have to put up with the smell. More or less, its a constant fight.

As I mentioned in my earlier post, I always try and do the most considerate way of extinguishing my butt.

But let me ask you a question, why is it that so many non-smokers feel the need to get into our faces and bitch and moan about everything we do? I'm not talking about you personally, so no need to get your defenses up (yet  Wink ), just a general question.



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User currently offlineFalcon84 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 5, posted (5 years 7 months 2 weeks 10 hours ago) and read 4321 times:

They don't mind blowing that crap in your face, do they? Why would they worry about throwing their trash on the ground?

User currently offlineMolykote From United States of America, joined Aug 2005, 1341 posts, RR: 15
Reply 6, posted (5 years 7 months 2 weeks 8 hours ago) and read 4218 times:
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Quoting Tugger (Thread starter):
Why do some people think it is OK to toss cigarette butts on the ground?

I've wondered about this for years. I'm not sure why so many people think that it's ok. If I threw a coffee cup or bottle cap out of my window I'd certainly expect a littering fine.

Given the amount of butts on the side of the road, on the ground at smokers' congregation points, and that I see flying out of people's cars at night, it seems to be a very common behavior among smokers.

I have a strong personal distaste for smoking but I respect the right of others to smoke (at appropriate times and places). However, this littering habit seems wide spread and generally tolerated.

Quoting ACDC8 (Reply 4):
Here's a bit of a problem though, most establishments (at least in Canada) want to discourage people from smoking, so ashtrays are being removed left, right and center making it very difficult for those of us who are responsible in getting rid of our butts. To add to this, those holier-than-thou non-smokers who always need to make some sort of self righteous point will bitch at you no matter what you do. If you throw it on the ground, they'll bitch that thats disgusting and littering. If you throw it in the trash, they'll bitch that thats not what the trash is for. If you keep it on your person, they'll bitch that you stink and they shouldn't have to put up with the smell. More or less, its a constant fight.

I don't care if you smoke but this seems like a weak argument. If you can't safely discard your butt in the trash (and I'm not saying you can't depending on circumstances), you are apparently left with 2 alternatives - holding it on your person, or throwing it on the ground.

Quoting ACDC8 (Reply 4):
As I mentioned in my earlier post, I always try and do the most considerate way of extinguishing my butt.

Of the options you outlined, I'd suggest keeping them in your pocket until they can be safely disposed of in the trash. Provided your butt is properly extinguished and that you aren't causing a safety hazard, I see no problem with using the trash can. If you get as much shit about it as you claim, either explain your options or ignore those who have an issue with it.

An alternative would be keeping some sort of container or bag on your person to avoid risking a trash fire (if this is realistic), littering, and thirdly (in this order) reducing your personal smell. If you're carring cigarettes and a lighter anyway it's probably not much of a burden to put your used butts back in the cigarette package or in a bag.

Quoting ACDC8 (Reply 4):
But let me ask you a question, why is it that so many non-smokers feel the need to get into our faces and bitch and moan about everything we do?

I've got no problem with you or anyone else smoking provided that it's not compromising the health of others around you. I can tolerate a bit of a smell as I don't consider this any more offensive than a number of other annoying public behaviors (loud protests, street performers, etc).

I have mixed feelings on smoking in "public" establishments such as bars and restaurants. Although I respect the owner's right to do what they wish with their business. At the same time, I have no problem taking my business elsewhere if smoking, noise, etc is to the point where I'm not going to have a pleasureable experience. I certainly don't expect a business to change based on my preferences alone.

The flip side of this is that workers are affected in many smoking establishments. Granted, they have the option of not working in a bar where smoking is allowed but this goes beyond a matter of personal preference and reaches the point where a safe workplace is not provided by the employer. I've worked in the potentially hazardous (but ultimately safe, IMO) nuclear industry but the metering and precautions taken to protect employees are numerous and strictly applied. I am not aware of any such "uptake/exposure" system applied to other hazardous workspaces such as a smoky bar.



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User currently offlineSeb146 From United States of America, joined Nov 1999, 11721 posts, RR: 15
Reply 7, posted (5 years 7 months 2 weeks 7 hours ago) and read 4164 times:

Interesting topic. As a former smoker who, yes, had thrown my fair share of butts on the ground, I can only speak for myself when I say: what else was I going to do with it? Walking down the street, I am finished smoking, so I just flick it into the gutter and let the water treatment facility or the street sweeper deal with the rest. Some butts are made from synthetic fibers, so they take a long time to decompose anyway. Plus, there are the carcenogens and toxins clinging to the filter. I don't know. But, I do know ashtrays are few and far between.

Quoting ACDC8 (Reply 4):
why is it that so many non-smokers feel the need to get into our faces and bitch and moan about everything we do?

Interesting comment. I have found, around here, anyway, the ones that complain the loudest are former smokers who have kicked the habit within the past two years. I sometimes side with the smoker. They are going through enough banishment, they don't need the added lecturing. Oregon is now thinking about banning smoking in cars when children are present. Are you freakin' kidding me? We need to protect kids, but that just seems a bit much to me.



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User currently offlineMdsh00 From United States of America, joined May 2004, 4125 posts, RR: 8
Reply 8, posted (5 years 7 months 2 weeks 7 hours ago) and read 4159 times:

Just being inconsiderate. When I was walking to the hospital one day I saw someone finish his cigarette and flick it a good 10 feet towards a van sitting on idle. I could see the smoldering butt hit and bounce against the tire.

I thought what the f**k? Is there something so wrong as to walking a couple feet over to the cigarette receptacle and putting it out there (there was one almost right next to him), rather than flick it across the sidewalk?

Stupid



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User currently offlineFalcon84 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 9, posted (5 years 7 months 2 weeks 7 hours ago) and read 4156 times:



Quoting Seb146 (Reply 8):
Plus, there are the carcenogens and toxins clinging to the filter.

As well as your lungs, throat, mouth, lips, etc.  Yeah sure


User currently offlineMirrodie From United States of America, joined Apr 2000, 7444 posts, RR: 62
Reply 10, posted (5 years 7 months 2 weeks 5 hours ago) and read 4080 times:
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Quoting NIKV69 (Reply 6):
They are inconsiderate *ssholes. What else? When people don't care about other people they do these things.

Exactly.

I'm sure some smokers here might be offended, but c'est la vie. There is simply no reason for it.



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User currently offlineMolykote From United States of America, joined Aug 2005, 1341 posts, RR: 15
Reply 11, posted (5 years 7 months 2 weeks 5 hours ago) and read 4072 times:
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Quoting Seb146 (Reply 8):
Interesting comment. I have found, around here, anyway, the ones that complain the loudest are former smokers who have kicked the habit within the past two years.

In fairness, this type of behavior isn't confined to smokers. I have relatives who have been through rehab (drugs and alcohol) and are among the most "high and mighty" out there.



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User currently offlineGreasespot From Canada, joined Apr 2004, 3085 posts, RR: 20
Reply 12, posted (5 years 7 months 2 weeks 5 hours ago) and read 4063 times:

I am fortunate that i am in a job that i can do something about it....and do...I charge with a $110 ticket....

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User currently offlineIAirAllie From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 13, posted (5 years 7 months 2 weeks 4 hours ago) and read 4038 times:



Quoting ACDC8 (Reply 4):
If you throw it in the trash, they'll bitch that thats not what the trash is for.

HUH? I think you are making this up. Of course that is what the trash bin is for. It is for TRASH.

Quoting ACDC8 (Reply 4):
If you keep it on your person, they'll bitch that you stink and they shouldn't have to put up with the smell.

News flash if you smoke you stink anyways even if you don't carry the butt with you we can smell you. So us all a favor and at least clean up after yourself.

Quoting Seb146 (Reply 8):
: what else was I going to do with it? Walking down the street, I am finished smoking, so I just flick it into the gutter and let the water treatment facility or the street sweeper deal with the rest.

Would you do that if you were say drinking a soda as you walked down the street?

What else would you do? Do what I do if I have piece of litter when I'm not near a bin hold on to it until you can throw it into an appropriate receptical. Why should someone else have to clean up after you because you are lazy?

Quoting Seb146 (Reply 8):
Are you freakin' kidding me? We need to protect kids, but that just seems a bit much to me.

Are you freakin' kidding me! You think it is ok to smoke in a small enclosed area with children around. Screw with your own lungs but don't punish the kids. Ps cracking the window does not help. Every now and then I ride with my friend (I forget she likes to smoke in the car) and it is sheer misery with the window open or closed.

Quoting Greasespot (Reply 13):
I am fortunate that i am in a job that i can do something about it....and do...I charge with a $110 ticket....

Thank you. Littering is littering even if it is just a butt.


User currently offlineCzbbflier From Canada, joined Jul 2006, 976 posts, RR: 2
Reply 14, posted (5 years 7 months 2 weeks 3 hours ago) and read 4020 times:

Left hand turn lanes at intersections, right next to the curb are collection points for hundreds upon hundreds of cigarette butts. Can't use the ashtray- it might devalue the car....

I have thought about this extensively and to answer the OP's question, I believe that smokers have such little respect for themselves (their bodies, that is), why would smokers have any respect for the environment?

It is an addiction. As soon as the high has been achieved, nothing else matters. Not their lungs. Not anybody else's. Not the location of their non-biodegradable butt.

Of course there are many smokers with a conscience.... unfortunately for them, most don't. I don't think getting on a smoker's case about their smoking is going to help matters either. Smokers with a conscience are just looking for the right opportunity to quit- and harranguing them will only put up walls.

So my question is this: If you are a smoker and care about other peoples' thoughts and feelings about your smoking, why do you smoke at all and what would it take for you to quit?

For those who don't care about themselves, others, or the environment, I'm sorry to say, more likely than not, lung cancer or emphysema will eventually be their karma.

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User currently offlineNIKV69 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 15, posted (5 years 7 months 2 weeks 3 hours ago) and read 4016 times:

Quoting Greasespot (Reply 13):
I am fortunate that i am in a job that i can do something about it....and do...I charge with a $110 ticket....

Oh yeaaa, hit them where it hurts the most. Prob the only thing to make them think twice about doing it again.

[Edited 2009-03-15 21:56:55]

User currently offlineSOBHI51 From Saudi Arabia, joined Jun 2003, 3505 posts, RR: 17
Reply 16, posted (5 years 7 months 2 weeks 3 hours ago) and read 4009 times:
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I am a smoker so i can answer your question.
If i throw my cigarette butt in the trash it will start a fire. If an ashtray is around i make sure to extinguish it there. If i am visiting somebody house i ask him if i can smoke there, seeing ashtrays around is a signal that i can but i still ask.
As for throwing the cigarette butt on the ground I've been trying for years to make stop in mid air to no avail.

[Edited 2009-03-15 21:57:53]


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User currently onlineTugger From United States of America, joined Apr 2006, 5676 posts, RR: 10
Reply 17, posted (5 years 7 months 2 weeks 3 hours ago) and read 3997 times:

Quoting ACDC8 (Reply 4):
But let me ask you a question, why is it that so many non-smokers feel the need to get into our faces and bitch and moan about everything we do? I'm not talking about you personally, so no need to get your defenses up (yet Wink ), just a general question.

Yeah, I understand addiction and doing something that you enjoy doing. The key thing that either gets my ire or my respect is how considerate the person smoking is to those around them who don't. For instance I have noticed that most of my smoking friends hold their cigs away from me (and others) and this simple action means a lot. In my travels I have noticed a huge difference in how smokers are around nonsmokers in states that are (for want of a better word) "pro" smoking versus those that are "anti" smoking. Basically if you are a nonsmoker in a smoking location its you who is considerate or cautious while in an anti-smoking area the smokers shows deference (in general).

Quoting Molykote (Reply 7):
An alternative would be keeping some sort of container or bag on your person to avoid risking a trash fire (if this is realistic), littering, and thirdly (in this order) reducing your personal smell.

Are there pocket ashtrays? Do they work, are they any good?

Quoting Molykote (Reply 7):
If you're carring cigarettes and a lighter anyway it's probably not much of a burden to put your used butts back in the cigarette package or in a bag.

That is what my sister does, she'll snuff out the cherry and roll any remaining tobacco out and then put the cigarette in the pack.

Quoting Mdsh00 (Reply 9):
When I was walking to the hospital one day I saw someone finish his cigarette and flick it a good 10 feet towards a van sitting on idle. I could see the smoldering butt hit and bounce against the tire.

I thought what the f**k? Is there something so wrong as to walking a couple feet over to the cigarette receptacle and putting it out there (there was one almost right next to him), rather than flick it across the sidewalk?

This is the stuff I particularly don't understand. Why, when there is a receptacle nearby does someone do this? And the worst, most common version of this is the car. There is an ashtray in the car and yet many smokers still flick it out the window! I've even watched my best friend do this and I gave a huge ration of sh!t about it (he picked up another butt to make up for it). The worst excuse I was ever given was when someone told me they didn't want to mess up their ashtray (I can not say that all smokers are like this, my friend does normally use his ashtray)!

Quoting IAirAllie (Reply 14):
Quoting ACDC8 (Reply 4):
If you throw it in the trash, they'll bitch that thats not what the trash is for.

HUH? I think you are making this up. Of course that is what the trash bin is for. It is for TRASH.

Well, the bitch I have heard people make is that a fire could be started if you just throw a lit cigarette in the trash. That's why you must roll the cherry off it first!

Tugg

[Edited 2009-03-15 22:07:51]


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User currently offlineMolykote From United States of America, joined Aug 2005, 1341 posts, RR: 15
Reply 18, posted (5 years 7 months 2 weeks 2 hours ago) and read 3975 times:
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Quoting ClassicLover (Reply 1):
Convenience really...

Yeah it's sucky, but sometimes there just aren't any bins!



Quoting ACDC8 (Reply 2):
if I do have to throw it on the ground, I grind the hell out of it with my foot so theres very little left



Quoting Seb146 (Reply 7):
I can only speak for myself when I say: what else was I going to do with it?



Quoting SOBHI51 (Reply 16):
As for throwing the cigarette butt on the ground I've been trying for years to make stop in mid air to no avail.



Quoting Tugger (Reply 18):
Well, the bitch I have heard people make is that a fire could be started if you just throw a lit cigarette in the trash. That's why you must roll the cherry off it first!

In all cases, I believe the key point is this:

If one chooses to smoke (or picnic), it is up to him/her to ensure that they are able to do so without causing a fire, littering, or otherwise breaking the law.

If a safe and/or convenient means of disposing of ones smoking (or picnic) waste is not available, this should be accounted for by the user.



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User currently offlineIwenttoYXEonce From Canada, joined Mar 2009, 61 posts, RR: 0
Reply 19, posted (5 years 7 months 1 week 6 days 22 hours ago) and read 3901 times:



Quoting SOBHI51 (Reply 16):
If i throw my cigarette butt in the trash it will start a fire

Well, you can turn off the cigarette first... you can step on the cigarette, grab the butt, and throw it in the garbage...

I sometimes eat while walking on the street and hold on to the wrappers and bottles until I find a garbage receptacle...


User currently offlineDanny From Poland, joined Apr 2002, 3514 posts, RR: 3
Reply 20, posted (5 years 7 months 1 week 6 days 21 hours ago) and read 3872 times:

I was always disgusted by this behaviour, funny enough many of them consider themselves highly cultural people  Yeah sure

User currently offlineOly720man From United Kingdom, joined May 2004, 6816 posts, RR: 11
Reply 21, posted (5 years 7 months 1 week 6 days 21 hours ago) and read 3865 times:



Quoting Tugger (Thread starter):
Why do some people think it is OK to toss cigarette butts on the ground?

Well they're only small aren't they? As well as the lumps of spat out chewing gum, canine deposits, candy wrappers, fast food cartons etc, etc that also dot our streets. Laziness or thoughtlessness, basically.



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User currently offlineYooYoo From Canada, joined Nov 2003, 6057 posts, RR: 50
Reply 22, posted (5 years 7 months 1 week 6 days 18 hours ago) and read 3832 times:

When i smoke, i've gotten rid of the "heater" and kept the filter until i found a trash can or got home and put it in the garbage. I'm not completely innocent as i have tossed my finished butt out of a car but that's rare.

Self gloss....it's been 5 weeks since my last smoke.  Wink



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User currently offlineBaroque From Australia, joined Apr 2006, 15380 posts, RR: 59
Reply 23, posted (5 years 7 months 1 week 6 days 17 hours ago) and read 3800 times:



Quoting ACDC8 (Reply 4):
But let me ask you a question, why is it that so many non-smokers feel the need to get into our faces and bitch and moan about everything we do? I'm not talking about you personally, so no need to get your defenses up (yet Wink ), just a general question.

Not sure I ever get in a smoker's face (tends to be a bit smelly!) but aside from Falcons answer in Reply 5, it might happen when after the smoke has drifted over the non smoker for an unconscionable length of time, the smoker then half extinguishes the butt in an ashtray and allows the dying embers to drift over the non smoker.  Big grin

I will feel less upset at side smoke the day I see a smoker take the cigarette from their lips and hold it so the smoke between puffs goes straight up their own nose.

In a contest of getting in faces, it seems to me that the smoker is likely the aggressor effectively by definition???? Big grin  Big grin


User currently offlineDougloid From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 24, posted (5 years 7 months 1 week 6 days 17 hours ago) and read 3791 times:



Quoting SOBHI51 (Reply 16):
I am a smoker so i can answer your question.
If i throw my cigarette butt in the trash it will start a fire. If an ashtray is around i make sure to extinguish it there. If i am visiting somebody house i ask him if i can smoke there, seeing ashtrays around is a signal that i can but i still ask.

Are you acquainted with the process of field stripping a cigarette butt? Most soldiers are or were.

Maybe you should try it or carry a poop bag like all the people who walk their dogs in the park before telling the rest of the world your excuses why you're a litterbug. Clean up after yourself and improve the planet.


25 A332 : "Well, everyone else does it." Really, that's about all I can muster on that question. Smoking is a habit just as all of the inconsiderate characteri
26 Ronglimeng : I'm not a smoker, and this morning I was annoyed to rake up a lot of butts out at the corner of my lawn where several of my neighbours have watered th
27 Post contains links BritJap : I am depressed by how few people seem to have heard of pocket ashtrays. You can get them in every shape/size/design you could hope for. I don't know w
28 SOBHI51 : Thank you for the info. Found few on Ebay. Bought myself a couple.
29 RichM : I think it's disgusting, but I am also very much an anti smoker. I personally don't think that people should be allowed to smoke while they drive eith
30 Swissy : Ei Ei Ei, the good old smoking gun..... I do smoke and I enjoy it.... yes even a good Cuban cigar.... Do not smoke in the car..... only throw butts on
31 BritJap : Yea, a convert...nice going!!!!
32 Ozglobal : To smoke is an inherently irresponsible activity. This is not controversial. The compulsion to smoke comes from a very powerful addiction; one which
33 Cpd : It's not allowed here. In fact - you can be fined for it. And it can start wildfires too.
34 PWM2TXLHopper : Yet nobody is complaining about people throwing gum This hits it on the head! Because that's what people have done for hundreds of years worldwide. It
35 Mirrodie : I love how you try to justify what is just wrong. Perhaps you can provide the defense for Madoff? Well, its good to know that you admit you guys are
36 Post contains links Tugger : Yes, I have and do. Did you read my original post? And when confronted, the people who toss their trash to the ground respond well, either by picking
37 Mirrodie : I gotta be honest, I read your OP and I was cracking up. I can;t believe you have the moxie to do that. Pretty Funny!!
38 Euclid : Okay, let's try again, see if this post will stay. Saying that it lies there burning itself out to dust suggest something else that is very wrong. Th
39 Dtwclipper : Most likely less toxic at that point than standing at a traffic intersection during rushhour? Why are the parents letting their children go around ba
40 2H4 : With all due respect, you countered the second-hand smoking concerns and the child safety concerns, but not the issue of a burning cigarette being a
41 Dtwclipper : I would agree. However I would gather to say that most smokers are more considerate than they are being portrayed here. I quit smoking in October of
42 2H4 : Ah, understood. From your perspective, what are some ways one can take the "honey" approach when addressing the problem of smokers littering? 2H4
43 WarRI1 : This thread, made me aware today while fueling my truck. I noticed the owner of the station sweeping up butts, he was not too happy about the litterin
44 Canuckpaxguy : I'm surprised you haven't had your ass kicked yet. Yeah okay, and how many of those have you ACTUALLY handed out?. (And if it's more than zero, then
45 2H4 : Smokers are not inherently bad people, but people who litter are short-sighted and inconsiderate. 2H4
46 Tugger : Yeah, most think I'm nuts but I am as respectful as possible. If someone wants to go to jail that is a stupid choice and almost no one makes that cho
47 Euclid : Hi guys, been away for the day, more about that a bit later. Maybe true, maybe not, but then why add yet another cloud of toxic substances to the pois
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