WestWing From United States of America, joined Feb 2005, 2139 posts, RR: 7
Reply 9, posted (6 years 6 months 3 weeks 8 hours ago) and read 3108 times:
Quoting Flighty (Reply 7): The environmentalist crying about it is basically racism
India's major cities are already reeling from the crush of traffic congestion and suffocating from the pollutants created by the traffic. The availability of an inexpensive personal vehicle, while empowering many to procure one for the first time, will make things a lot worse. I don't understand where the "racism" is in that argument.
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Flighty From United States of America, joined Apr 2007, 9505 posts, RR: 3
Reply 10, posted (6 years 6 months 3 weeks 7 hours ago) and read 3057 times:
Quoting WestWing (Reply 9): I don't understand where the "racism" is in that argument.
It's racist to suggest Indians have no personal right to a 600cc car, while the average man and woman in this country has a 3,000cc car or two. That was the thrust of the NYT article. The best response to this was from Mr. Tata himself: He said he found it "interesting" that people who already own cars, and drive them, would condemn Indians for doing the same thing, as if they do not even have 1/5 of the human rights that educated western environmentalists have.
As to air pollution in Indian cities, the Nano is so clean that it will probably improve air quality in India, not harm it. The real concern is about greenhouse gases, which is where global equity comes in.
Geekydude From China, joined Apr 2004, 401 posts, RR: 2
Reply 11, posted (6 years 6 months 3 weeks 7 hours ago) and read 3043 times:
Quoting HAWK21M (Thread starter): Finally the tata nano.the cheapest car hits the road.
Congrats to Ratan tata & his team.
Indeed, big congratulations to Tata Motors and the Indian auto industry! Hope the Nano will prompt the Indian government to upgrade their infrastructure.
While this is no doubt a great achievement, let's not kid ourselves: more cars will lead to more congestion and pollution and what not. For a developing country with a huge population base and an ever ballooning middle class, the environmental problems resulting from more cars are not to be dismissed or slighted. It's true that we(developng countries) must not repeat the dirty and unsustainable paths set by the current industrialized countries, for our own good if nothing else.
I am big fan of the electrification of vehicles. To my great joy, in my country, China, domestic auto makers (Chery and BYD) have already rolled out mass production models of long range all electric and plug-in hybrid cars. The governement is considering giving huge subsidies(as much as 8000 USD/car I heard) to consumers if they purchase electric or hybrid models. I see this development a very good sign, but further upgrades in the electricity and road infrastructure must be put into place before electric and plug-in hybrids can turn into a roaring success.
Kmh1956 From Bermuda, joined Jun 2005, 3324 posts, RR: 6
Reply 12, posted (6 years 6 months 3 weeks 2 hours ago) and read 2976 times:
That car is the PERFECT size for Bermuda...but will our government consider them? Highly unlikely, as they lack the 'cool factor' that the oversized behemoths that currently are being driven here.....
Come on, the island is 20 miles long and a mile wide at its widest point....the roads are narrow and very winding....do we really need SUVs? um...no.
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Comorin From United States of America, joined May 2005, 4909 posts, RR: 14
Reply 13, posted (6 years 6 months 3 weeks 1 hour ago) and read 2965 times:
I want one too! It's sooo CUTE! A real People's Car ( 'Volkswagen' )
To clarify, The Indian Nano is priced at $2500 and will only do 70KMPH, which is plenty for city roads. The Export model Nano Europa is priced higher: it has more creature comforts and meets EU specs. It should do a max of 145KMPH.
As for pollution complainers, the car does 67 mpg and will replace all those 2-stroke vehicles that foul the air.
The Nano will be modified for European driving conditions and to meet Euro safety standards.
2009 Tata Nano
"For Europe (and potentially for the United States if the car makes it to our shores), the Nano Europa (when it arrives in 2011) will have a bigger, 934-cc, 60-hp three-cylinder engine and have a top speed of 95 mph, a five-speed automatic, a wider track, disc brakes, ABS, stability control, improved driving dynamics and ride, better equipment and a finished interior, along with driver and passenger airbags. It will also be slightly longer and comply with all safety and crash-test standards, while still being the cheapest car in the world at less than $ 5,000."
StasisLAX From United States of America, joined Jul 2007, 3305 posts, RR: 7
Reply 16, posted (6 years 6 months 3 weeks ago) and read 2916 times:
Quoting Springbok747 (Reply 15): But is this what India really needs now? The roads are already overcrowded and polluted...now imagine a few million of these on the road. And where is the space to park? *shudder*
If the Nano helps to improve safety and decrease the number of traffic deaths, that's a good thing.
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Rsg85 From Australia, joined Aug 2006, 257 posts, RR: 0
Reply 19, posted (6 years 6 months 2 weeks 5 days 22 hours ago) and read 2731 times:
ive seen some amazing videos of smart cars converted to RWD powered by mid mounted motorbike engines and im guessing soon we will see similar setups with these tata's. onsidering thier already RWD and very cheap they could make for a very fun little project drag car. If they come to Australia i know what my next project will be
LH526 From Germany, joined Aug 2000, 2414 posts, RR: 14
Reply 21, posted (6 years 6 months 2 weeks 5 days 16 hours ago) and read 2678 times:
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Quoting MadameConcorde (Reply 5): Why so much? When you do the conversion $2000 isn't as many Euros.
Is the cost of importing one TataNano unit so high to make such a price difference?
It's the same cause why an E-Class Mercedes sells for US$ 30.000 in the US while the exact samle model won't be available for less than â¬ 40.0000 on the german market! It's the market that dictates the price. Always squeeze out the max you can get.
[Edited 2009-03-25 04:41:55]
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