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Seal Hunt Continues  
User currently offlineFatmirJusufi From Albania, joined Jan 2009, 2441 posts, RR: 7
Posted (5 years 4 months 3 weeks 6 days 20 hours ago) and read 2374 times:



Quote:
Over 19,000 seals were killed in the first stage of Canada's contentious annual seal hunt this week, a Canadian fisheries official said Thursday.

http://www.google.com/hostednews/ap/...zPkwgv69Zn-13cRiOMOvfRbMwD975PL9G0

http://latimesblogs.latimes.com/outposts/2009/03/canada-has-its.html

I was really really terrified to read and to see these footages about this seal massacre, when men killed seals in cold blood. I think there's no justify for this, killing a hundred of seals in the most painful and slowest death.

Video
http://www.dailymotion.com/video/x544lv_stop-the-seal-hunt_animals
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9z4N7-yourw

Fatmir


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User currently offlineMadameConcorde From San Marino, joined Feb 2007, 10893 posts, RR: 37
Reply 1, posted (5 years 4 months 3 weeks 6 days 20 hours ago) and read 2364 times:

Bardot takes her hat off to Putin
20 March, 2009, 15:48

Legendary French actress and animal rights campaigner Brigitte Bardot has thanked Russian PM Vladimir Putin for supporting an initiative to ban the hunting of baby seals.

http://www.russiatoday.com/Top_News/...ot_takes_her_hat_off_to_Putin.html

Good old BB!  fluffy 



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User currently offlineVonRichtofen From Canada, joined Nov 2000, 4627 posts, RR: 36
Reply 2, posted (5 years 4 months 3 weeks 6 days 18 hours ago) and read 2339 times:

The only reason people get upset about this is because it's fashionable and baby seals are cute.

Nobody sheds a tear for the millions of livestock that are slaughtered every single day, many of them abused their entire lives. I wonder how many people who are so opposed to this seal hunt eat veal?


Hypocrites.



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User currently offlineJoeCanuck From Canada, joined Dec 2005, 5416 posts, RR: 30
Reply 3, posted (5 years 4 months 3 weeks 6 days 18 hours ago) and read 2336 times:



Quoting FatmirJusufi (Thread starter):
I was really really terrified to read and to see these footages about this seal massacre, when men killed seals in cold blood. I think there's no justify for this, killing a hundred of seals in the most painful and slowest death.

...unlike the humane way that cattle, sheep, chickens, goats and pigs are kept crammed together until they have a pneumatic bolt blasted into their skulls, throats slit, heads lopped off or shot.

Go check out how your lunch was raised, killed and butchered.

Yah...putin is a real hero...tell that to his opposition...oh wait...he's crushed and/or imprisoned and/or assassinated it...but at least the seals are safe....jeez. Bardoh should spend more time cleaning up her own countries messes and less worrying about others...but cows aren't cute.

Let's go clubbing...!



What the...?
User currently offlineZBBYLW From Canada, joined Nov 2006, 1984 posts, RR: 6
Reply 4, posted (5 years 4 months 3 weeks 6 days 18 hours ago) and read 2333 times:

I am opposed to the seal hunt, I personally think that all the people who protest, would be much more suitable to use as "hide", after that let us Canucks get back to what we have been doing for quite some time, not only that but we are saving our fish count as there are too many seals for our fish population.


Keep the shinny side up!
User currently offlineMadameConcorde From San Marino, joined Feb 2007, 10893 posts, RR: 37
Reply 5, posted (5 years 4 months 3 weeks 6 days 18 hours ago) and read 2320 times:



Quoting VonRichtofen (Reply 2):
Nobody sheds a tear for the millions of livestock that are slaughtered every single day, many of them abused their entire lives. I wonder how many people who are so opposed to this seal hunt eat veal?

I have stopped eating meat from when I was about 18 years old. This is a long while ago.

I have always lived very well without it. I like fish and some sea food although I am conscious that there might be mercury and other ill components with all the pollutants being thrown in the oceans. I also try my best to avoid eating chicken.

Mrs. Bardot is known to be a full vegetarian. I am not sure about Mr Putin.  Confused

These baby seals are very cute indeed.



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User currently offlineJoeCanuck From Canada, joined Dec 2005, 5416 posts, RR: 30
Reply 6, posted (5 years 4 months 3 weeks 6 days 17 hours ago) and read 2319 times:



Quoting MadameConcorde (Reply 5):
These baby seals are very cute indeed.

...yummy too.



What the...?
User currently offlineFatmirJusufi From Albania, joined Jan 2009, 2441 posts, RR: 7
Reply 7, posted (5 years 4 months 3 weeks 6 days 17 hours ago) and read 2313 times:



Quoting VonRichtofen (Reply 2):
The only reason people get upset about this is because it's fashionable and baby seals are cute.



Quoting JoeCanuck (Reply 3):
...unlike the humane way that cattle, sheep, chickens, goats and pigs are kept crammed together until they have a pneumatic bolt blasted into their skulls, throats slit, heads lopped off or shot.

N'ah! I'm not upset if someone is vegetarian or not or the animal is cute or not. I'm just terrified and upset by these men, the way how do they kill the seals. It's not human and you can't deny it.

Quoting JoeCanuck (Reply 6):
Quoting MadameConcorde (Reply 5):
These baby seals are very cute indeed.

...yummy too.

Bon appetit.  Wink

Fatmir



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User currently offlineFlexo From St. Helena, joined Mar 2007, 406 posts, RR: 0
Reply 8, posted (5 years 4 months 3 weeks 6 days 17 hours ago) and read 2308 times:



Quoting JoeCanuck (Reply 3):
Go check out how your lunch was raised, killed and butchered.

Couldn't agree more. Animals have been hunted for human needs for milleniae and, while I do agree the seal hunt could and should be done less brutal, if there is a need for seal hide or seal meat then the hunting is absolutely ok.


User currently offlineKiwiRob From New Zealand, joined Jun 2005, 7250 posts, RR: 5
Reply 9, posted (5 years 4 months 3 weeks 6 days 17 hours ago) and read 2303 times:

I have always thought the seal hunt to the Canadians was a bit like the whale catch for the japs, done to spit the rest of the world, the japs barely eat 10% of the whale meat caught and the government subsidises the hunt. Do canadians actualy eat seal meat, I've never seen it in any supermarket in Canada, and people don't wear a lot of fur these days either, so where does the product of the hunt go to. In Norway there are 4 seal boats which support approx 100 people, no one here buys the products the govt gives 13.5 million NOK in subsidies to the boat owners to keep an industry alive which no one wants, crazy.

User currently offlineAutothrust From Switzerland, joined Jun 2006, 1595 posts, RR: 9
Reply 10, posted (5 years 4 months 3 weeks 6 days 15 hours ago) and read 2288 times:



Quoting JoeCanuck (Reply 3):
Go check out how your lunch was raised, killed and butchered.

So and that makes killing of seals better? Sorry but thats a weak argumentation.  thumbsdown 
Also the kind how they are killing is pretty special don't you think?

I'm vegetarian and don't think other animals are killed much better but the gruelty and sadisitic fun this bastards have, while skinning off,spiking,gore,killing seals is incredible.

Thats why aslong this continues i will NEVER visit Canada and i will boycott Canadian Products as much as i can and tell other people to do the same.

However i want to differentiate the hunt of the natives is a other thing then this mass butchering while still living.

I could easily post some pictures of this "nice and honorable" work, but i guess they would be to shocking for most poeple and mods would delete this post.



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User currently offlineGreasespot From Canada, joined Apr 2004, 3079 posts, RR: 20
Reply 11, posted (5 years 4 months 3 weeks 6 days 13 hours ago) and read 2267 times:

The difference between the seal hunt and the meat industry is ...well one is for food and the other is for fashion....If the seal bodies were used instead of just left on the ice i would have less objection...And use something other than the Halpik club and still less....

Do i agree with the fur trade...no....but I will not stop someone else from wearing it..

And yes I wear leather....not the same thing,,,,leather is a by product of the food procuction and not the sole reason cows are killed..

GS

ps i do not and never will eat veal....



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User currently offlineAC_B777 From Canada, joined Aug 2000, 809 posts, RR: 13
Reply 12, posted (5 years 4 months 3 weeks 6 days 10 hours ago) and read 2226 times:

The seal hunt should continue! Seals are killing the fishing (cod) industry in Canada. They only eat cod liver and let the remainder of the fish sink to the bottom. Plus, they don't eat just one or two livers per day, they eat dozens. If the seal population continues to grow, there will not be any cod left.
Most videos that you see are the old way of killing seals and are used for propaganda. The Canadian Dept of Fisheries and Oceans keep a close eye on sealers making sure seals are killed in a humane matter. If sealers are found killing seals improperly, they are given big fines.

Quoting KiwiRob (Reply 9):
Do canadians actualy eat seal meat, I've never seen it in any supermarket in Canada

Yes, many people do eat seal meat. It might not be sold in a Toronto grocery store, but seal meat is indeed shipped to other parts of Canada and the world as well as seal pelts. The seal carcass is not usually left on the ice contrary to what many would like you to believe.
I find it really funny that the EU wants to ban Canadian products because of the seal hunt, but yet we hear nothing about EU countries that slaughter dolphins!



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User currently offlineKiwiRob From New Zealand, joined Jun 2005, 7250 posts, RR: 5
Reply 13, posted (5 years 4 months 3 weeks 6 days 10 hours ago) and read 2200 times:



Quoting AC_B777 (Reply 12):
The seal hunt should continue! Seals are killing the fishing (cod) industry in Canada.

I find that a rather odd justification for killing seals, a modern trawler will capture 10's of thousands of cod in one net, it is humans who have decimated cod through over fishing not the seals.


User currently offlineLH423 From Canada, joined Jul 1999, 6501 posts, RR: 54
Reply 14, posted (5 years 4 months 3 weeks 6 days 9 hours ago) and read 2171 times:



Quoting AutoThrust (Reply 15):
Thats the same bullshit as the Japanese with Wales.

Two big differences:

1. The seal hunt isn't in contravention of a signed, international document, like the convention of the International Whaling Commission. In fact, if the EU goes forward with their import ban, it could be THEM in violation of international trade laws.

2. The seals aren't an endangered species. There are over an estimated 5.5 million seals living along the east coast of Canada. This compares to about 2 million around 1970. So you see, the population is growing at around 1 million every 10 years, and that's with the seal hunt. ( http://www.romandie.com/infos/news2/090327061952.01hbrmdh.asp en français )

For me, the jury is still out. There are convincing arguments on both sides however I also know there is a lot of propaganda on both sides. Whether you agree with it or not, make sure you're getting your info from reputable sources.

LH423



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User currently offlineFLY2HMO From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 15, posted (5 years 4 months 3 weeks 6 days 8 hours ago) and read 2162 times:



Quoting FatmirJusufi (Thread starter):
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9z4N7-yourw

OMFG the chick in that video is such a drama queen. I'd slaughter her just like the seals.

Now pass the salt and pepper.


User currently offlineAutoThrust From Switzerland, joined Jun 2006, 1595 posts, RR: 9
Reply 16, posted (5 years 4 months 3 weeks 6 days 8 hours ago) and read 2150 times:



Quoting LH423 (Reply 14):
In fact, if the EU goes forward with their import ban, it could be THEM in violation of international trade laws.

Why should that be a violation? US banned seal products since over 20 years. That your neighbour country bans products from your country says a lot. The justification that there are to much seals is just nonsense.

Do you seriously think this was the first time in history population of seals is growing that fast in canada?
If your fish industry wouldn't have fished stocks to critical levels you wouldn't have a problem.
But of course its easier to kill seals then regulate fishing industry. All that counts is money.



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User currently offlinePeterpuck From Canada, joined Jun 2004, 323 posts, RR: 3
Reply 17, posted (5 years 4 months 3 weeks 6 days 8 hours ago) and read 2137 times:

Don't we have bigger things to worry about in this world than a hunt that is both sustainable and some say necessary. Millions of PEOPLE around the world are being killed for politics and money. Why isn't Brigitte Bardot out adopting some orphans in Iraq, they're cute too.

User currently offlineIwenttoYXEonce From Canada, joined Mar 2009, 61 posts, RR: 0
Reply 18, posted (5 years 4 months 3 weeks 6 days 7 hours ago) and read 2118 times:

I'm looking forward to eat some baby seal meat this weekend. Yummy  yummy 

User currently offlineOHLHD From Finland, joined Dec 2004, 3962 posts, RR: 25
Reply 19, posted (5 years 4 months 3 weeks 6 days 7 hours ago) and read 2102 times:



Quoting Peterpuck (Reply 17):
Don't we have bigger things to worry about in this world than a hunt that is both sustainable and some say necessary. Millions of PEOPLE around the world are being killed for politics and money. Why isn't Brigitte Bardot out adopting some orphans in Iraq, they're cute too.

Very well said.

If those seals were not killed there would be a gigantic overflow within a few years.

I remember that hunting moose was banned in Finland as there were too less and within a very short period of time there hundreds and thousands were running around the woods.


User currently offlineNorthStarDC4M From Canada, joined Apr 2000, 3004 posts, RR: 37
Reply 20, posted (5 years 4 months 3 weeks 6 days 7 hours ago) and read 2099 times:
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Quoting AutoThrust (Reply 16):

Quoting LH423 (Reply 14):
In fact, if the EU goes forward with their import ban, it could be THEM in violation of international trade laws.

Why should that be a violation? US banned seal products since over 20 years. That your neighbour country bans products from your country says a lot. The justification that there are to much seals is just nonsense.

Difference:

US banned ALL Seal products, not just Canada's, and they forced the issue before NAFTA, something that would not occur today.

EU wants to ban ONLY Canadian seal products (not ban Norwegian seal products for example), hence the violation of trade agreements. If the EU bans ALL seal products from everywhere well then that is a different story... but to ban only Canada's well that's just petty... and also it will change nothing, there will still be a hunt and still be seals to kill... they just will sell them elsewhere.

And there are too many seals, FAR too many. They are a plague on the east coast fishery, in part because their natural predators were killed off letting them spawn like crazy. Anyone who calls it nonsense has no idea how many there are out there. Everyone gets all up in knots because baby harp seals are cute... well guess what, they are still overpopulated and deplete already endangered fish stocks (which BTW Canada has stopped fishing and yet European trawlers still fish off the Grand Banks in international waters despite the very low stocks).

Yes there are debates about it even here in Canada, but the truth is the hunt does far more good than harm despite what the world media would lead you to believe. All that's changed in the last few years is PETA, Greenpeace and a bunch of celebrities went and made it a big deal, and the media lapped it up because "da wittle white seals are sooooooo cute!"... give me a break.

Alright enough rant...



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User currently offlineJoeCanuck From Canada, joined Dec 2005, 5416 posts, RR: 30
Reply 21, posted (5 years 4 months 3 weeks 6 days 6 hours ago) and read 2080 times:

Quoting Autothrust (Reply 10):
Thats why aslong this continues i will NEVER visit Canada and i will boycott Canadian Products as much as i can and tell other people to do the same.

Somehow we'll manage to survive.

Quoting Greasespot (Reply 11):
Do i agree with the fur trade...no....but I will not stop someone else from wearing it..

And yes I wear leather....not the same thing,,,,leather is a by product of the food procuction and not the sole reason cows are killed..

Is eating cattle, or any animal for that matter, strictly necessary for survival? Nope...not in the least. It's a personal choice and your choice to eat cow meat and wear leather means cows die brutally and unnecessarily to satisfy your blood lust. To try and justify your killing as righteous and proper while decrying others for doing exactly the same thing is naive and hypocritical...as is this whole subject. When bardot, putin and the rest of the protesters have completely prevented the killing of animals in their neighborhoods, they may have some credibility...until then...STFU and mind your own business.

Seals are killed in the open and other feed stock are killed behind closed doors...that's the difference. If you don't like how it looks, don't look at it. Just down the road from every city on the world is an abattoir which can more than satisfy your blood lust if you insist on looking for graphic death.

At a walmart in China, I saw the hanging carcass of a dog for sale...and yet not a single protester. Where is bardot when fluffy was being whacked...? How about fish..don't they deserve to live...?

It's a good thing that there is no human tragedy to worry about on this planet. Places like Burma, Darfur, Zimbabwe and Somalia are all sorted out and no humans are dying or suffering because of the actions or inactions of other people. It's way better press to worry about a few seals. If they were killed behind doors where nobody could see it, nobody would give a rat's @ss.

Quoting AutoThrust (Reply 16):

Why should that be a violation? US banned seal products since over 20 years. That your neighbour country bans products from your country says a lot. The justification that there are to much seals is just nonsense.

So what...? They are a different country from us and they are free to do what they choose. Does Switzerland blindly follow the lead of its neighbors? Somehow I doubt it.

[Edited 2009-03-27 13:29:42]

[Edited 2009-03-27 13:30:14]


What the...?
User currently offlineAF340 From Canada, joined Jul 2007, 2786 posts, RR: 4
Reply 22, posted (5 years 4 months 3 weeks 6 days 6 hours ago) and read 2072 times:

Quoting Autothrust (Reply 10):
Thats why aslong this continues i will NEVER visit Canada

Well if that's your attitude, we don't want you.  Wink

Quoting KiwiRob (Reply 9):
Do canadians actualy eat seal meat, I've never seen it in any supermarket in Canada, and people don't wear a lot of fur these days either, so where does the product of the hunt go to.

That's not the main reason for the hunt. It is to cull the population to certain set limits. The population of these seals has actually gone up in past years and the cull is responsible for that. We are trying to protect our cod and fish stocks and without the annual cull, the cod limits would be in vain. The seals devastate their population and without managing their population, the seals would eat all the cod leading to extirpation of countless other species.

Quoting MadameConcorde (Reply 1):
Legendary French actress and animal rights campaigner Brigitte Bardot has thanked Russian PM Vladimir Putin for supporting an initiative to ban the hunting of baby seals.

Wow... just wow...

Why doesn't she make the same stink about French foie-gros or veal? Oh that's right, because they aren't cute. Those animals suffer far more than seals who spend their lives frolicking in the open sea and only after months or years of that playful life are they suddenly whacked in the head with a spiked club. They don't know it's coming and they don't feel it. Those videos of baby seals writhing around on the ice happen VERY rarely. And occasional accidents are to occur. Besides the seals killed aren't little snowballs with cute eyes (as McCartney would have you believe), they are fat animals with grey fur that -frankly - doesn't look that cute. Although cuteness shouldn't be a factor.

A lot of Europeans (and I guess Austrolasians) are so utterly misinformed on the topic that they just use photos and videos to form their opinion. The world isn't a cuddly place, we need to cull populations for their own good. Please get a grip.

And why is it that more attention is given to the Seal Hunt than given to Darfur, Congo, or Zimbabwe. Some people seem to put more emphasis on animal lives than on human lives and for that there is no excuse. If the media gave as much attention to Congo as they did the Seal Cull, something might be done about the violence there.

Even if Europe bans our seal products, the cull will continue if just for the safety of cod and numerous other fish stocks that many Europeans seem all to happy to fish.

Liam

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Last post got deleted, I changed it but Mods delete if not appropriate still...


User currently offlineDon81603 From Canada, joined Jul 2005, 1185 posts, RR: 0
Reply 23, posted (5 years 4 months 3 weeks 6 days 6 hours ago) and read 2053 times:



Quoting Autothrust (Reply 10):
Thats why aslong this continues i will NEVER visit Canada

Have a nice day... Somewhere else, but it's your loss, not ours...

Quoting Peterpuck (Reply 17):
Don't we have bigger things to worry about in this world than a hunt that is both sustainable and some say necessary. Millions of PEOPLE around the world are being killed for politics and money. Why isn't Brigitte Bardot out adopting some orphans in Iraq, they're cute too.

Couldn't have said it better myself.

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User currently offlineAC_B777 From Canada, joined Aug 2000, 809 posts, RR: 13
Reply 24, posted (5 years 4 months 3 weeks 6 days 3 hours ago) and read 2012 times:



Quoting KiwiRob (Reply 13):
I find that a rather odd justification for killing seals, a modern trawler will capture 10's of thousands of cod in one net, it is humans who have decimated cod through over fishing not the seals

It is justification considering the Canadian fishing fleet has been banned from fishing Atlantic cod with trawlers since 1992! European countries and Russia still come close or even into Canadian territorial waters and trawl cod.
The harp seal population is estimated to be 5.6 million plus the other species are estimated to be in the millions as well. Take that number of seals and the number of cod they kill everyday for their liver and it is scary the amount of cod being killed.
The bottom line is, people are only stirring the shit over seals because they only see the cute baby seals which are not aloud to be killed.
I would have loved to see that baby seal grab Heather Mills and bite her. I bet Sir Paul would have beat it with her wooden leg!!
The world is full of hypocrites. They are against the killing of adult seals, but they are all for killing other animals as well as unborn babies!!
If you don't want to come to Canada because of our stand on the seal hunt, then se ya!! Rather not see you here anyways.



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25 Post contains links LH423 : This is true. The Spanish sailors that were rescued earlier this year 400 km off the coast of Newfoundland weren't there on a sightseeing tour. http:
26 Par13del : So could Canada learn something from its European allies and use their tactis to protest? If they are "violating" limits put in place to protect the
27 AlexEU : I am sad to read this, as an Arctic / Antarctic enthusiast and seal fan. Btw, climate changes are also seal killers !
28 JoeCanuck : Didn't it used to be called global warming? I guess a few cold winters put the kibosh on that moniker. Besides, rising sea levels just mean more room
29 KiwiRob : Just like there are too many seals in the world and killing them is justified to save the cod population there are also too many people in the world
30 Geekydude : This is part of the rational the Japanese employs when defending their whaling practice. Whales are eating too many fish and destroying the fisheries
31 OHLHD : I wonder why nobody blames Norwegian for killing seals too?
32 DocLightning : I rarely eat meat. However, domesticated animals have also been bred so as to basically have precisely as much brain as is required to survive and no
33 JoeCanuck : You can hunt a seal with a nine iron...not the sharpest knives in the drawer.
34 Jamincan : I think this is really the crux of the matter. Blood stands out on ice really well in a picture or video. For all those people complaining about the
35 JoeCanuck : You hit the nail, (or seal), right on the head with that. Cows, pigs, sheep, goats and chicken slaughtered out of sight are boring. Cute seals gettin
36 AirframeAS : I agree. They are not hunting for the heck of it or for its hide. You know....people do eat seal and use the oil for heating...
37 N867DA : I'm always amazed at how barbaric people can be.
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