CanadianNorth From Canada, joined Aug 2002, 3371 posts, RR: 10 Posted (4 years 1 month 3 weeks 3 days 13 hours ago) and read 2832 times:
Was reading something earlier today and got to thinking, why do people feel the need to use multiple date formats that could be taken multiple ways? Even narrowing things down to aviation, there is supposedly a standard format, yet I see different ones almost daily!
The standard format in aviation is supposed to be, using today for an example, 28 MAR 2009, or something similar to that. Simple, easy to read, and most importantly impossible to take any other way. Yet almost daily I'll see 28 MAR 2009; 28 MAR 09; MAR 28, 2009; 28/03/09; 03/28/09; and others.
Not so bad this time of the month, but lets randomly take 09 JAN 2009 for an example...
-09 JAN 2009: there is absolutely no other way to take that.
-09 JAN 09: it could mean 09 JAN 2009, or 1809, or 1909, or 2109, and so on.
-9 JAN 2009: what's stopping someone from coming and putting a 1 or a 2 at the front to get you in trouble?
-09/01/09: depending on how you read it could be taken 09 JAN 09 or 01 SEP 09, quite a difference
-01/03/09: same as previous
Sorry to sound picky, but lately it's been really "gripping my sh*t" when people at work don't use the proper date format. It's there for a reason, and makes life easier for everyone.
Thoughts/opinions/etc. are welcome.
Brendan03 From Australia, joined Aug 2005, 951 posts, RR: 3 Reply 1, posted (4 years 1 month 3 weeks 3 days 13 hours ago) and read 2811 times:
I recently learnt how to use Sabre and the format I was taught made the most sense... 28MAR09 (The 09 being optional)
Other than that, I'm Australian so I generally tend to use DD/MM/YY - Seeing MM/DD/YY confuses me, especially if I'm putting it on the computer, I have to check how many 'values' are in each selection, otherwise I risk putting some non existant date in.
I can understand where you're coming from, Especially if it's in a ticketing office, Someone as you said could end up with a ticket for the 1st of September, Instead of the 9th of January and then you'll have heads rolling...
Gemuser From Australia, joined Nov 2003, 5217 posts, RR: 6 Reply 6, posted (4 years 1 month 3 weeks 3 days 9 hours ago) and read 2686 times:
Quoting Vikkyvik (Reply 5): However, being an American, I've used MM/DD/YY(YY) my whole life:
And that's fine! It is people who use dates that are ambiguous in inappropriate places such as on the web, who annoy me. I never use all numerical dates on the web, because it confuses people. In email or purely domestic correspondence I will, because I know the recipient uses the same format, if in doubt use the months name.
While people using June 1 is annoying, that's my problem, because it is clear what the actual date is, but using 6/1 is just so ambiguous!
And don't get me started on the habit some people have of using seasons as dates! Such as it is due next winter! When is that? It depends on the originator location and their cultures conventions on when seasons start and finish! Things that people on the web often don't know.
Funny, I'm the other way around -- every time I see a date in DD/MM/YY(YY) format I have to stop and actually think through the date (what is month number X?), where MM/DD/YY just kind of makes sense to me -- like trying to understand a foreign language versus your native language
That said, though, DD/MM/YYYY logically makes more sense to me (in elements listed in order of magnitude), as does YYYY/MM/DD.
The format that I personally use most of the time is either DDMMM or more frequently DDMMMYY(YY) (e.g. 02MAR, 12MAR09 or 22MAR2009) as it eliminates the 'which is the date/which is the month' dielemma when you're talking to people from a country/region that uses a different format
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MarSciGuy From United States of America, joined Jun 2007, 549 posts, RR: 0 Reply 8, posted (4 years 1 month 3 weeks 3 days 8 hours ago) and read 2664 times:
Quoting Nighthawk (Reply 4): Quoting Birdwatching (Reply 2):
In my opinion the best way to write a date is 2009.03.28
I always do it when sorting files. Simply because it will always sort your data in the right order.
You're still wrong, we should all just use the number of seconds elapsed since 1st Jan 1970. Far less confusing Silly
You could always do what we in the survey world do....use Julian day instead of MM and DD, so (at least in the office) we go by JD 001 - > JD365 for Dec 31st.
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Francoflier From France, joined Oct 2001, 3195 posts, RR: 10 Reply 9, posted (4 years 1 month 3 weeks 3 days 7 hours ago) and read 2630 times:
Quoting Lincoln (Reply 7): as it eliminates the 'which is the date/which is the month' dielemma when you're talking to people from a country/region that uses a different format
That does make sense, although then you hit the problem of different languages.
Jan, feb, mar, apr, etc... are shortened from the english version of the words. Latin languages have similar words for the months so it's still understandable, but in many other languages those contractions won't make sense to the non english speakers.
It's a tough one I guess. No easy way to do it unless one single standard writing form is picked out.
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In leap years every day after Feb 29th is one higher than usual. I use the Julian date all the time, but we have a chart that shows what julian date it is. I always refer to it as the "funny date".
To me it should always be YYMMDD. Thats how you would file things, by year, by month, then by day. I rarely write it that way though, because people would get confused.
AKiss20 From United States of America, joined Sep 2007, 529 posts, RR: 0 Reply 16, posted (4 years 1 month 3 weeks 2 days 21 hours ago) and read 2473 times:
Quoting OzTech (Reply 15): Quoting Andz (Reply 10):
Kill two birds with one stone: Change the US to the dd/mm/yyyy standard and the metric system at the same time!
Yaeh -- That's gonna happen right -- The Seppos think they are "the world" and we should all change to thier ways.... banghead
Ugh I know!!! I wish the US had just switched to Metric back in the 80s and have been done with it. As a science/engineering major to be, all these imperial units are freaking irritating. Whenever I see foot-pounds for torque, I die a little inside. Not to mentions some of the crazy ass units of like foot slugs per second^2 or what not.
Metric is so much simpler, why oh why America couldn't we have switched?
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Aaron747 From Japan, joined Aug 2003, 7631 posts, RR: 28 Reply 17, posted (4 years 1 month 3 weeks 2 days 21 hours ago) and read 2470 times:
The "natural" format in the Japanese and Chinese languages is YEAR MONTH DAY
But thanks to our meddling, Japanese kids have been learning the American system too for years - who knows what's correct anymore! I grew up with the American one but I really don't find all this confusing - just know what the other party is asking for and it's usually fine.
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ExFATboy From United States of America, joined Jul 2003, 2974 posts, RR: 9 Reply 18, posted (4 years 1 month 3 weeks 2 days 18 hours ago) and read 2417 times:
Quoting OzTech (Reply 15): The Seppos think they are "the world" and we should all change to thier ways....
Well, since we developed the modern computer, when it comes to data imput formats perhaps the world should switch to our way!
Quoting AKiss20 (Reply 16): Metric is so much simpler, why oh why America couldn't we have switched?
Because just to change the signs on the Interstate system would cost half a billion dollars? We've converted where it suits us or where it makes our exports more competitive, or where something just happened to come along at the right time (the two-liter bottle.) Other than that there's no real need to change, at least not all at once.
I'd also point out that the UK still uses Imperial for distances and speeds on the road, and woe betide the British politician who tries to take away the pint glass...tradition is a powerful force.
AKiss20 From United States of America, joined Sep 2007, 529 posts, RR: 0 Reply 19, posted (4 years 1 month 3 weeks 2 days 18 hours ago) and read 2408 times:
Quoting ExFATboy (Reply 18): Because just to change the signs on the Interstate system would cost half a billion dollars?
Just take the $500 million in savings from the 3 or 4 odd space craft that have crashed/been destroyed from errors in conversion from metric to imperial and vice a versa. We all remember that mars lander that slammed into the face of the planet because one guy did calculations in metres while the other guy programmed it in feet?
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MillwallSean From Brunei, joined Apr 2008, 1115 posts, RR: 5 Reply 20, posted (4 years 1 month 3 weeks 2 days 7 hours ago) and read 2301 times:
Normally I want to keep the world different and not feel the same wherever I go but when it comes to measurements, dates and such things one standard makes so much sense.
Metric is obviously the world standard and its slowly taking over even in the anglosaxon world.
Thats good, imperial measurements might be cute, but they are from another era and its time to retire them for good.
But retiring imperial measurements doesnt mean they need to be wiped out from the earth like the British government seems to reckon.
A pint can be a pint even if Britain uses the metric system. I have bought pints all over Europe and no other country seems to advocate a compete abolishment of imperial measurements like the government in Britain does.
What countries are still using imperial measurements?
I know that he US and North Korea does, any other country?
When it comes to dates: day, month, year makes sense.
I grew up with year, month, day but that makes less sense.
In China I have never come across anyone using Month, Day, Year. Everyone I have worked with uses Day, month, year and it must be the local standard.
I am surprised to learn that Japan isnt the same.
Zkpilot From New Zealand, joined Mar 2006, 4739 posts, RR: 10 Reply 21, posted (4 years 1 month 3 weeks 2 days 6 hours ago) and read 2271 times:
Yes the American way is frustrating and doesn't make any sense (middle size digits, small digits, large digits). Also pllllllease change to metric....the entire world has except America... but even your military has changed to metric!
OzTech From Australia, joined Feb 2007, 161 posts, RR: 0 Reply 24, posted (4 years 1 month 3 weeks 1 day 22 hours ago) and read 2166 times:
Quoting ExFATboy (Reply 18): Well, since we developed the modern computer, when it comes to data imput formats perhaps the world should switch to our way!
Touche my friend...
Quoting ExFATboy (Reply 18): I'd also point out that the UK still uses Imperial for distances and speeds on the road, and woe betide the British politician who tries to take away the pint glass...tradition is a powerful force.
Totally agree there.. I hate going into pubs and getting a metric pint.. Tried arguing the point here in Oz but it like
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25 N328KF: I dunno, the MacKenzie brothers have successfully demonstrated the benefits of the metric system with regard to beer.
26 LH423: Here in Canada, the official Canadian government format is YYYY-MM-DD since we have the English Canadians who customarily use MM/DD/YYYY and the Frenc
27 Andz: Um.... anyone else fail to see the logic in this statement?
28 AKiss20: Uh no? With DD/MM/YY(YY) you are going smallest time frame to largest. Day is shorter than a month which is shorter than a year. With YY(YY)/MM/DD yo
29 MarSciGuy: JD 59 in both leap and non-leap is Feb. 28th, Feb 29th would be 60 and Dec 31st in a leap year would be 366. ---When I am at sea for 3 solid weeks (2
30 ShyFlyer: I really can't say I have a preferred style even though I find myself using multiple styles: 30 MAR 2009 for the military paperwork/coorespondence I w
31 Andz: The whole point of this thread is standardisation. Having both defeats the object.