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Fiat Officially Partners With Chrysler  
User currently offlineGreaser From Bahamas, joined Jan 2004, 1101 posts, RR: 3
Posted (5 years 5 months 3 weeks 1 day 13 hours ago) and read 4158 times:

CNBC just announced that Bob Nardelli, Chrysler's CEO, has said that Chrysler, Cerberus, and Italy's Fiat have announced a "partnership", in agreement with the treasury department that will prevent immediate brankruptcy and preserve US jobs. No details on Fiat's stake.
Other chrysler news: PT Cruiser, Aspen, and Durango will stop production. (Aspen will not restart production)


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User currently offlineAznMadSci From United States of America, joined Dec 2007, 3667 posts, RR: 5
Reply 1, posted (5 years 5 months 3 weeks 1 day 12 hours ago) and read 4126 times:

Bring the Cinquecento to the US!!!!!


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User currently offlineSeemyseems From United Kingdom, joined Jan 2009, 967 posts, RR: 7
Reply 2, posted (5 years 5 months 3 weeks 1 day 12 hours ago) and read 4108 times:



Quoting AznMadSci (Reply 1):
Cinquecento

It is an amazing car!

I love Fiat's current fleet of cars, but not so keen on Chrysler's, though Dodge have some good models out atm.

Fiat has always done well in Brazil, so I'd imagine they would do good in North America, Fiat also dominates the Italian Car market, they own every Italian car marque (I believe).

I reckon the Americans would like their models, as these days a lot of Americans are choosing smaller cars.



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User currently offlineJanmnastami From Italy, joined Apr 2008, 828 posts, RR: 0
Reply 3, posted (5 years 5 months 3 weeks 1 day 12 hours ago) and read 4107 times:

Do you like the Cinquecento  Smile ?

User currently offlineFatmirJusufi From Albania, joined Jan 2009, 2441 posts, RR: 6
Reply 4, posted (5 years 5 months 3 weeks 1 day 12 hours ago) and read 4103 times:



Quoting AznMadSci (Reply 1):
Cinquecento

I love it! It's cute.  Wink
But my preferred one is Fiat Punto. I want that car!  Smile

Fatmir



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User currently offlineJanmnastami From Italy, joined Apr 2008, 828 posts, RR: 0
Reply 5, posted (5 years 5 months 3 weeks 1 day 12 hours ago) and read 4102 times:



Quoting Greaser (Thread starter):
No details on Fiat's stake.

It should be about 35%.

Quoting Seemyseems (Reply 2):
they own every Italian car marque (I believe).

The Fiat Group owns Fiat, Alfa Romeo, Lancia, Maserati and the 85% of Ferrari, but not Lamborghini for example.


User currently offlineGreaser From Bahamas, joined Jan 2004, 1101 posts, RR: 3
Reply 6, posted (5 years 5 months 3 weeks 1 day 12 hours ago) and read 4099 times:



Quoting FatmirJusufi (Reply 4):
I love it! It's cute. Wink
But my preferred one is Fiat Punto. I want that car!

I'd take the 500 abarth anyday over that car!
Big version: Width: 450 Height: 314 File size: 41kb
regular abarth version pictured



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User currently offlineJoeCanuck From Canada, joined Dec 2005, 5463 posts, RR: 30
Reply 7, posted (5 years 5 months 3 weeks 1 day 11 hours ago) and read 4080 times:

It's a good fit. There is virtually no overlap between Chrysler and Fiat models.


What the...?
User currently offlineStasisLAX From United States of America, joined Jul 2007, 3283 posts, RR: 6
Reply 8, posted (5 years 5 months 3 weeks 1 day 4 hours ago) and read 4004 times:

Quoting Greaser (Reply 6):
'd take the 500 abarth anyday over that car!

Hell yeah! But remember, the Ford Ka might also be imported into the U.S., and the Ka is based on the 500 and built at a Fiat factory in Poland.

I just wonder if Fiat's contract with Ford would prevent them from selling the 500 in North America?

What Chrysler needs is the Golf/Rabbit sized 2010 Alfa Romeo 149 - likely to be called the Milano in the U.S. And a replacement for the Dodge Avenger and Chrysler Sebring - the 2011 Alfa Romeo 169.



[Edited 2009-03-30 19:29:40]

2010 Alfa Romeo 169


[Edited 2009-03-30 19:42:56]

[Edited 2009-03-30 19:44:06]


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User currently offlineAznMadSci From United States of America, joined Dec 2007, 3667 posts, RR: 5
Reply 9, posted (5 years 5 months 3 weeks 1 day 4 hours ago) and read 3985 times:

http://i170.photobucket.com/albums/u252/AznMadSci/Italia%202009/13Marzo09085-1.jpg

I so wanted to steal this car and take it for a drive around Torino!!!



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User currently offlinePPVRA From Brazil, joined Nov 2004, 8964 posts, RR: 39
Reply 10, posted (5 years 5 months 3 weeks 1 day 2 hours ago) and read 3957 times:



Quoting AznMadSci (Reply 1):
Bring the Cinquecento to the US!!!!!

I thought it was already in Chrysler's product line?  Wink



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User currently offlineWhappeh From United States of America, joined Mar 2006, 1563 posts, RR: 2
Reply 11, posted (5 years 5 months 3 weeks 1 day 2 hours ago) and read 3946 times:

What are the odds of Fiat products coming to the United States?


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User currently offlineStasisLAX From United States of America, joined Jul 2007, 3283 posts, RR: 6
Reply 12, posted (5 years 5 months 3 weeks 1 day 1 hour ago) and read 3930 times:



Quoting Whappeh (Reply 11):
What are the odds of Fiat products coming to the United States?

"Chrysler's future would be "significantly enhanced" with a Fiat alliance. First, Chrysler stands to gain plenty of impressive technology, including Fiat's new Multiair engine technology. Furthermore, new vehicle platforms could be introduced to the United States market – including the diminutive Fiat 500 – in segments that Chrysler currently fares poorly. All of these developments would save Chrysler plenty of money and would allow the American automaker to repay its federal loans in a more timely fashion."

Source and video: http://www.autoblog.com/2009/03/20/v...lli-makes-case-for-why-fiat-works/



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User currently offlineAGM100 From United States of America, joined Dec 2003, 5407 posts, RR: 16
Reply 13, posted (5 years 5 months 3 weeks 1 day 1 hour ago) and read 3930 times:

So of all the car companies in the world to take over Chrysler..... Fiat ? are you kidding me ... ??? Fiat ... ? Why Fiat? ,,,, are they a government held company ... ahhhh yes of course they must be its Italy.

It a dark day for the people of America .... And I am not a fan of GM and Chrysler.. I wont buy their cars for one simple reason... UAW support of corrupt leftist politicians.

Now does anyone need anymore proof that Unions are destructive apparatuses ,and will in the end kill every company they latch on too.

Sick .



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User currently offlineAlessandro From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 14, posted (5 years 5 months 3 weeks 1 day ago) and read 3904 times:



Quoting StasisLAX (Reply 8):
Quoting Greaser (Reply 6):
'd take the 500 abarth anyday over that car!

Hell yeah! But remember, the Ford Ka might also be imported into the U.S., and the Ka is based on the 500 and built at a Fiat factory in Poland.

I just wonder if Fiat's contract with Ford would prevent them from selling the 500 in North America?

What Chrysler needs is the Golf/Rabbit sized 2010 Alfa Romeo 149 - likely to be called the Milano in the U.S. And a replacement for the Dodge Avenger and Chrysler Sebring - the 2011 Alfa Romeo 169.

Are you sure, the Ka is much older model, is the latest version similar to the 500?


User currently offlineStasisLAX From United States of America, joined Jul 2007, 3283 posts, RR: 6
Reply 15, posted (5 years 5 months 3 weeks 1 day ago) and read 3891 times:



Quoting Alessandro (Reply 14):
Are you sure, the Ka is much older model, is the latest version similar to the 500?

The brand-new version of the Ford Ka share the Fiat 500's platform and is assembled by Fiat.



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User currently offlineAlessandro From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 16, posted (5 years 5 months 3 weeks 23 hours ago) and read 3877 times:

OK, even better for the US customers, those whom have Ford dealers buy Ka and those whom have Chrysler dealers buy the 500.
Win-win for both.


User currently offlineMillwallSean From Singapore, joined Apr 2008, 1244 posts, RR: 6
Reply 17, posted (5 years 5 months 3 weeks 18 hours ago) and read 3818 times:

Pls, Pls Pls make sure the Italian designers get free hands on everything Chrysler does from now on.

Fiat has been on the brink of bankrupcy just like the US carindustry is today. Fiat was brought back to life and today produces quality cars on a level they haven't done before. Add Italian design and Fiat is a growing brand.
However Fiats brand is still tarnished in most of Europe and its marketshare and dealership network outside of Italy isn't large.

But everything I have seen from Fiat the last few years points to a company on the right track and its been a pleasure to see the design they have come up with of late. A good partner for Chrysler if Chrysler is humble and listens to what the Italians have to say and learns from them.
Anyone that has had any dealings with Detroit knows that listening and learning isn't their strong side but lets hope Chrysler with its small size realises that their partner can help if they are allowed to.

Now, Fiat isn't a stateowned company, its controlled by one of Europe's industrial dynasties. A family with its hands in more than one jar and a very successful family. They are headquarted and run from Torino, a city that feels and acts more like Switzerland or France than Italy.
Never make the mistake of thinking that Northern Italy and its corporations are like Alitalia because it couldn't be further from the truth. Fiat is a wellrun company with a great ownership and if Chrysler can take advantage of what fiat is offering they have a lot to gain from such an alliance.
If Chrysler reckons the entrenched Detroit way is the answer they might as well throw in the towel immediately.



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User currently offlineJanmnastami From Italy, joined Apr 2008, 828 posts, RR: 0
Reply 18, posted (5 years 5 months 3 weeks 17 hours ago) and read 3816 times:



Quoting AGM100 (Reply 13):
are they a government held company

Fiat is not a government held company  Yeah sure .


User currently offlineRayChuang From United States of America, joined Jun 2000, 8017 posts, RR: 5
Reply 19, posted (5 years 5 months 3 weeks 17 hours ago) and read 3810 times:

I think for the USA, Fiat will likely build these models at Chrysler plants:

Grande Punto
Linea
Bravo

All of which are well-liked in Europe (Linea is essentially a stretched Grande Punto in saloon form).

If Fiat does decide to build the Nuova 500 here in the USA, they could enter into a deal with Ford to have a single Chrysler assembly line build both the Nuova 500 and Ford Ka, just like the current assembly line in Poland. Since the new Alfa 149 is probably based on the Bravo platform, we might even see the Alfa 149 assembled at a Chrysler plant, too.


User currently offlineKeesje From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 20, posted (5 years 5 months 3 weeks 17 hours ago) and read 3803 times:

What about the luxury compact Lancia's like the Delta and Ypsilon ?

http://www.italiancar.net/site/news/06/0906/LanciaDelta/Lancia_Delta10_b.jpg


User currently offlineAGM100 From United States of America, joined Dec 2003, 5407 posts, RR: 16
Reply 21, posted (5 years 5 months 3 weeks 16 hours ago) and read 3791 times:



Quoting Janmnastami (Reply 18):
Fiat is not a government held company .

Really ? surprising .

What union controls FIAT ? I will be looking into the connection , there is another agenda here. Simply put if you really wanted to pick a company to couple with GM why wouldn't it be Nissan , Toyota , Honda ??? Why choose FIAT ? no offense but FIAT is not the world power that Nissan Honda Toyota are ..so what is the deal.?

Forget all of that ... what the hell does our government know about running anything ... try balancing your own budget and becoming efficient before taking over private sector . This stinks ,



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User currently offlineA332 From Canada, joined Feb 2005, 1644 posts, RR: 2
Reply 22, posted (5 years 5 months 3 weeks 16 hours ago) and read 3778 times:

Wow... the infamous term "Fix It Again Tony" certainly takes on a whole (though appropriate) new meaning.


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User currently offlineJanmnastami From Italy, joined Apr 2008, 828 posts, RR: 0
Reply 23, posted (5 years 5 months 3 weeks 15 hours ago) and read 3766 times:



Quoting AGM100 (Reply 21):
What union controls FIAT ?

FIAT is not controlled by any union, it's controlled by the financial holdings of the Agnelli family.


User currently offlineFalstaff From United States of America, joined Jun 2006, 6098 posts, RR: 28
Reply 24, posted (5 years 5 months 3 weeks 14 hours ago) and read 3747 times:
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Quoting Whappeh (Reply 11):
What are the odds of Fiat products coming to the United States?

That would be nice, but they will have to overcome an image problem. Fiat cars were known as junk to a lot of people in the US. When Alfa pulled out they did not have a good reputation. I still hear people complain about a junk Ford (or any American car) they had in the 1970s and will not buy another one because of something that happened 30 years ago. I would bet their are a lot of people who had bad Fiats and would not buy one for the same reason. Fiats and Alfas were also known as rust buckets too.

Quoting AGM100 (Reply 21):
. Simply put if you really wanted to pick a company to couple with GM why wouldn't it be Nissan , Toyota , Honda ???

Were talking about Chrysler not GM.

Quoting AGM100 (Reply 21):
Why choose FIAT ? no offense but FIAT is not the world power that Nissan Honda Toyota are ..so what is the deal.?

Fiat has small cars and Chrysler has a lot of larger cars and trucks. I think they will work out well together.



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25 LH423 : Probably because those companies are some of the biggest competitors to Chrysler. Fiat, on the other hand, has no market share in North America (Alfa
26 Falstaff : If I crashed into that with my Lincoln you would be toast!
27 AGM100 : Same Union .... same business model. Same cars, different emblems . The government will mandate they build little greeny cars ... sorry but if they c
28 Mt99 : Another "Hurray" for democracy!.....
29 AGM100 : That's is correct , and we will see how it goes. I realize that the death of democracy comes from within itself. The electorate eventually elects the
30 Greaser : the moment i read this, i immediately thought of star wars... anyway i wonder how alfa romeo's return will fare. Alfa's resale is not high in the UK,
31 PPVRA : You're not really a slave if you vote yourself into it. Unless you're not allowed to get out later. Now, as for the minority who votes against it. .
32 Mt99 : Prop 8 anyone...
33 AGM100 : In this case ..we will elect our way into a giant bureaucracy ..in control of most aspects of our lives . If in the future if we decide to attempt to
34 Falstaff : The UAW doesn't run those companies. Try asking a stockholder who runs the company? Every car company that sells cars in the USA builds similar cars
35 Slider : LOL! I was thinking it the moment I clicked on this thread!
36 AGM100 : Yes , the UAW does run the company and wields tremendous power. Don't get me wrong , GM builds some kick-ass vehicles. I don't buy them , but most of
37 Falstaff : That is why I don't vote for the canidates my union supports. I don't like any of their gun grabbin', god hatin', tree huggin' canidates. The cost of
38 FlyingSicilian : They do now. There are Ferrari dealers in New York, Miami, Houston, LA, Vegas, etc etc
39 AGM100 : I heard the average assembly line worker makes something $27 a hour . I don't know if that is true ... but if it is ..its too much. I know skilled A&
40 Falstaff : Its true. They make more than that with benefits. Skilled trades make more, but skilled labor isn't cheap and never will be. People that took the tim
41 KingAirTA : The 500 will be here. It's currently getting the bumpers revised to US standards. Models for Canada will follow later when they can get the lights to
42 JoeCanuck : The beauty of this plan is there is virtually no overlap between companies. Selling Alfas in Chrysler showrooms might bring in some customers and it w
43 KingAirTA : IF is the big statement. Unfortunately it takes time to get vehicles past the EPA and ready for safety standards. But I'd image Fiat has the cash to g
44 MAH4546 : No it doesn't. Most European cars can be up to U.S. safety standards in 6-9 months with minimal modifications. Engines can be tricky, but they can al
45 JoeCanuck : Most cars are already up to US standards...if they don't exceed them already. With globalization, the days of different standards in different market
46 YOWza : So two companies I would never buy a car from are now one YOWza
47 Falstaff : Give it a try, you might like it. I had a 2005 Dodge Magnum and a 2007 Chrysler Sebring. Both were good cars. I just can't keep a car very long. I al
48 StasisLAX : Correct, Fiat is working on making the parklng lights resistant to breakage since under Canadian law, the front turn single/parking lamps must still
49 LTBEWR : I still have a feeling this is a 'shotgun wedding' and won't last. While many hope for small Fiats to be built in the USA - forgetaboutit. They will b
50 KingairTA : Six to nine months is a long time is this current situation. And your forgetting about an administration that could care less about the auto industry
51 RayChuang : Up until very recently, lowering the NOx emissions output from a diesel engine was nearly impossible (diesel particulates can be removed with modern
52 MCOflyer : I concur with falstaff, I currently drive a 07 Caliber and love it. My family owns a 05 Ram 1500 and we have yet to have any major problems. Just min
53 MD11Engineer : This problem isn't just restricted to the big 3 in the US. Also e.g. unskilled VW line workers earn much more than e.g. myself, who has undergone and
54 Seemyseems : Ah yes! VW own them I believe, the Italian's make outstanding cars, IMO. Actually I do! I like the old 500, the model from 1990's to 2000's and I lov
55 JoeCanuck : Diesel vehicles will not be big sellers in the US because while there is a 20-30% savings in economy, there is also a 20% increase in cost at the pum
56 Seemyseems : GRR! Get rid of them! Horrible things they are, 'eco friendly' people think they are doing some good, when they clearly aren't! Plus on top of all th
57 MCOflyer : Very ture. I network with several people who have problems with 07 and newer cat engines. Very true. What yr is your truck? I drove a work vehicle th
58 JoeCanuck : 2000 Dodge Cummins Quad Cab. My brothers '06 is common rail and it sounds very civilized. Mine isn't and doesn't. It sounds like a bucket of hammer h
59 ME AVN FAN : - No, it rather is a "state-owning company" as having quite some influence onto the central state - Torino is the founding Capital of Italy since the
60 Falstaff : Yet thousands of UAW members blindly voted for Obama because he was a friend to the autoworker. Maybe organized labor should have taken a closer look
61 Ken777 : I think that Obama's team will work with Chrysler & Fiat to ensure that there is money to make it happen. Fiat is going to need to do 2 important thi
62 ME AVN FAN : - FIAT cars already ARE very fuel efficient. And the larger models, still relatively small by US standards, should make it. - as above. I for decades
63 MAH4546 : No, because of bumper laws, most cars are not to U.S. standards. EU and U.S. have very different bumper laws. Though the cars are designed to be adap
64 ME AVN FAN : [quote=MAH4546,reply=63]Most cars are already up to US standards...if they don't exceed them already. With globalization, the days of different standa
65 KiwiRob : And how many Chrysler aficionados are there in Europe, it can't be more than a handful.
66 Type-Rated : Does this mean that we will see the end of Chrysler as a "Bling" company? I think that trend started when Daimler merged with them. I personally can't
67 ME AVN FAN : .- Judging from the number of Chrysler cars around, it is some thousands, impressive in a way but clearly insufficient for the company. The problem i
68 KiwiRob : That I doubt will ever happen, I don't honestly think Chrysler will be of any help to Fiat outside of North America, I can't see any Chrysler platfor
69 Type-Rated : No by "bling" I meant cheap and gaudy and only of interest to the rap music crowd and chavs. Have you ever seen rappers covered with fake jewels, or w
70 ME AVN FAN : - All depends on what exactly Chrysler is to produce. If it is upmarket cars, it might even be the other way round, that Chrysler will sell USA-produ
71 Post contains links JoeCanuck : That used to be the case. Standards are much more globalized now. http://www.euroncap.com/Content-Web-...91b21e/euro-ncap-in-the-world.aspx Chrysler
72 ME AVN FAN : - The cars out of the FIAT group which might in reality find a market in the USA and not just in the French quarter of New Orleans and lower Manhatta
73 JJJ : Alfa has been looking for a RWD platform for the successor to the 166 for quite some time now. Back in the Neon days (the Neon was sold as a Chrysler
74 KiwiRob : What Alfa limos are youi talking about, the largest car they make is the 166 which is midsize and it's very old and due to be replaced. The only larg
75 ME AVN FAN : - I cannot judge the Spanish market, but can say that Chrysler cars in Switzerland, Italy, Germany and France in the past five decades NEVER were on
76 Post contains links and images ME AVN FAN : - the 166 no longer is on sale by Alfa Romeo Switzerland for instance. The Limousine in question, midsize true enough, is the Alfa 159 - - Chrysler a
77 JJJ : I meant back in the Neon days, when there was no other chrysler on offer here.
78 ME AVN FAN : - Well, I personally only can judge the days since the 1950ies and now when Chrysler cars NEVER were cheap. I don't know about the pre WW-II days .
79 KiwiRob : Fiat already partner Peugeot for their minivans in Europe. Correct, I think that the 169 might share elements with the Quattroporte but I doubt it wi
80 JoeCanuck : The 300/Charger/Challenger has a very good platform.
81 JJJ : Yeah, the 169 and next Thesis will go hand in hand but using the Quattroporte platform was only briefly considered. For one, it's a very expensive pl
82 KiwiRob : And that could be the problem with it, I would assume that Mercedes still have IP rights to there part of the chassis so why would they allow it to b
83 ME AVN FAN : - If produced under licence by Chrysler in the USA and sold under either name depending on the markets, the volume would look differently and the pri
84 KiwiRob : That's just a badge swap, it costs next to nothing. The quattroporte chassis is also based on some ferrari components, it don't think it would really
85 ME AVN FAN : - This might be a pity in a way, but Chrysler in many markets still has a very good image still, in spite of mistakes and failures on the commercial
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