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User currently offlineBN747 From United States of America, joined Mar 2002, 5477 posts, RR: 51
Posted (5 years 2 weeks 3 days 8 hours ago) and read 4013 times:

As we all know, President Obama has arrived in Europe today to repair strained relations which occurred under 'you know who'.. over 'you know what'.

Anyway, the US Prez is widely popular in Europe and surely the dignitaries will be elbowing each other to death to squeeze in a picture with him. It seems with Obama's natural charisma and popularity, that healing relations are off to a good start since the Nov. 4th Election..now it's real. He's there. It ought be an interesting 8 days (agonizing for the Rush Limbaugh supporters). I'd love to hear how Pres. Obama's visit is being received by resident A.net members and their perspectives regarding this trip.


BN747


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User currently offlineLonghornmaniac From United States of America, joined Jun 2005, 3243 posts, RR: 45
Reply 1, posted (5 years 2 weeks 3 days 8 hours ago) and read 3995 times:



Quoting BN747 (Thread starter):
I'd love to hear how Pres. Obama's visit is being received by resident A.net members and their perspectives regarding this trip.

I second that. I've heard that a lot of the dignitaries are skeptical about his economic policies presented thus far, and would love to hear was some of the guys on here think.

Cheers,
Cameron


User currently offlineBN747 From United States of America, joined Mar 2002, 5477 posts, RR: 51
Reply 2, posted (5 years 2 weeks 3 days 8 hours ago) and read 3978 times:

Just released...

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/politics/obama-aims-to-lay-ghost-of-bush-to-rest-on-european-tour-1658971.html

A CNN poll showed 86 per cent of Americans expecting Mr Obama to do "a good job" on his first major trip abroad, while Mr Obama's overall approval rating in a Washington Post poll rose to an impressive 66 per cent.

Buoyed by rising approval ratings at home, Barack Obama will face his first serious test as an international leader in London today at the start of a five-nation European tour crammed with speeches, dinners and summits as well as one-on-one meetings with counterparts from around the world.


Not a bad way to start...

Quoting Longhornmaniac (Reply 1):
I second that. I've heard that a lot of the dignitaries are skeptical about his economic policies presented thus far, and would love to hear was some of the guys on here think.

That appears to be the major consensus!

BN747



"Home of the Brave, made by the Slaves..Land of the Free, if you look like me.." T. Jefferson
User currently offlineSuperfly From Thailand, joined May 2000, 39478 posts, RR: 75
Reply 3, posted (5 years 2 weeks 3 days 7 hours ago) and read 3960 times:



Quoting BN747 (Thread starter):
It ought be an interesting 8 days (agonizing for the Rush Limbaugh supporters). I'd love to hear how Pres. Obama's visit is being received by resident A.net members and their perspectives regarding this trip.



Quoting BN747 (Reply 2):
A CNN poll showed 86 per cent of Americans expecting Mr Obama to do "a good job" on his first major trip abroad, while Mr Obama's overall approval rating in a Washington Post poll rose to an impressive 66 per cent.

They are a small but very vocal minority that will throw a  hissyfit  no matter what President Obama does.



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User currently offlineDreadnought From United States of America, joined Feb 2008, 8710 posts, RR: 24
Reply 4, posted (5 years 2 weeks 3 days 7 hours ago) and read 3938 times:



Quoting BN747 (Thread starter):
As we all know, President Obama has arrived in Europe today to repair strained relations which occurred under 'you know who'.. over 'you know what'.

Yes, he is so popular. Why wouldn’t he be? He insults the British PM, angers the Israelis by not backing them against terrorism, sends secret letters to Russia offering to throw Poland and other Eastern European states under the bus if they would only help with Iran, throws Tibet under the bus, insults Switzerland, bypasses the French President, reaches out to the Taliban, and on and on….such a great leader.

And to top it all off he is trying desperately to wreck the US economy, which will drag down the rest of the world with it. He has ignored warnings from China, from Britain, the EU, France, Czech Republic, and so on. Oh, yeah, he'll be the talk of the party.



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User currently offlineHomer71 From United States of America, joined Jul 2001, 2239 posts, RR: 15
Reply 5, posted (5 years 2 weeks 3 days 6 hours ago) and read 3927 times:



Quoting BN747 (Reply 2):
Mr Obama's overall approval rating in a Washington Post poll rose to an impressive 66 per cent.

Rose to 66%? Wasn't he in the 80s a few weeks ago?

Quoting Dreadnought (Reply 4):
Yes, he is so popular. Why wouldn’t he be? He insults the British PM, angers the Israelis by not backing them against terrorism, sends secret letters to Russia offering to throw Poland and other Eastern European states under the bus if they would only help with Iran, throws Tibet under the bus, insults Switzerland, bypasses the French President, reaches out to the Taliban, and on and on….such a great leader.

And to top it all off he is trying desperately to wreck the US economy, which will drag down the rest of the world with it. He has ignored warnings from China, from Britain, the EU, France, Czech Republic, and so on. Oh, yeah, he'll be the talk of the party.

You're just racist, just like Angie Harmon...

http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,511470,00.html



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User currently offlineQANTAS077 From Australia, joined Jan 2004, 5825 posts, RR: 41
Reply 6, posted (5 years 2 weeks 3 days 6 hours ago) and read 3908 times:



Quoting Dreadnought (Reply 4):
And to top it all off he is trying desperately to wreck the US economy

you make me laugh, as if going in to two wars without raising the $$ to pay for them didn't have a massive impact, remind which blow-hard was responsible for that.



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User currently offlineDreadnought From United States of America, joined Feb 2008, 8710 posts, RR: 24
Reply 7, posted (5 years 2 weeks 3 days 5 hours ago) and read 3882 times:

Quoting QANTAS077 (Reply 6):
you make me laugh, as if going in to two wars without raising the $$ to pay for them didn't have a massive impact, remind which blow-hard was responsible for that.

Stop listening to the propaganda and look at the numbers. Obama is spending as much as the 6 year cost of that war every 2 months. Doing 3-4% deficits that Bush ran was bad enough - Obama is running at 13%, not counting any additional "bailouts" coming down the pike.

The rest of the world knows that Obama is being irresponsible. That is why they are talking about bailing out of the dollar as the reserve currency.

[Edited 2009-03-31 19:12:01]


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User currently offlineBoeing4ever From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 8, posted (5 years 2 weeks 3 days 5 hours ago) and read 3854 times:

Quoting Dreadnought (Reply 4):
sends secret letters to Russia offering to throw Poland and other Eastern European states under the bus if they would only help with Iran,

Source?

This sounds like something another US President did. As well as a certain German dictator in the late '30's.

Both the Molotov-Ribbentrop pact and the Yalta Conferance are seen as supreme stabs in the back.

If Obama has done it again, he will permanantly destroy the Democratic Party's credibility in the region as well as seriously damage US-Polish relations.

As an American citizen, I'd be embarassed. As a Polish citizen I'd be enraged.

Considering with what Roosevelt did, I don't expect anything less from a Democrat. They have strong anti-Polish tendencies, with the exception of Jimmy Carter. Not that the Republicans have done anything worthwhile for us, besides Gerald Ford's insistance that the USSR doesn't control E. Europe (that famous "gaffe", really a badly phrased statement of defiance), and Ronald Reagan's token statements (Pope John Paul II and Lech Walesa get more credit in Poland for the end of the Cold War).

My family suffered greatly because of the Yalta conferance. This certainly rubs salt in the wound...


BUT, is what you are saying, Dreadnought, confirmed to be true. I mean these letters don't sound very secret...

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[Edited 2009-03-31 19:39:55]

[Edited 2009-03-31 19:42:16]

User currently offlineDreadnought From United States of America, joined Feb 2008, 8710 posts, RR: 24
Reply 9, posted (5 years 2 weeks 3 days 5 hours ago) and read 3846 times:



Quoting Boeing4ever (Reply 8):
Quoting Dreadnought (Reply 4):
sends secret letters to Russia offering to throw Poland and other Eastern European states under the bus if they would only help with Iran,

Source?

http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2009/mar/03/obama-russia-iran-nuclear

The Polish and other East European spent political capital in inviting the missile defence system in their country, believing that they would be able to benefit from its umbrella. Aparently Obama did not even consult them before making his offer to Russia.

Quoting Boeing4ever (Reply 8):
As a Polish citizen I'd be enraged.

Although I don't think Poland is in any immediate danger, it does strike a tone of deja vu that Poland always seems to get caught in the middle.



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User currently offlineLonghornmaniac From United States of America, joined Jun 2005, 3243 posts, RR: 45
Reply 10, posted (5 years 2 weeks 3 days 5 hours ago) and read 3832 times:



Quoting Dreadnought (Reply 7):

Stop listening to the propaganda and look at the numbers. Obama is spending as much as the 6 year cost of that war every 2 months. Doing 3-4% deficits that Bush ran was bad enough - Obama is running at 13%, not counting any additional "bailouts" coming down the pike.

WE'RE IN A RECESSION! You can't just sit idly by hoping it gets better. We have to get money circulating again. If anything, we should be spending significantly more. The only entity that has the power (read: finances...a bit ironic, since we really don't) to stimulate a stagnant economy is the U.S. government. As much as I hate it, because it's going to cost ME and my generation in the long run, not spending any money (which seems to the Republican stance), is the exact opposite of what we should be doing. I don't support all the earmarks which the stimulus package was riddled with, but the fact is, we have to spend money. Both on the consumer side, and the investor side. The stimulus plan does just that. It's not perfect, but it is 100% moving in the right direction.

Of course Obama's term is going to have a huge deficit, we have to spend money that we don't have. Running a balanced budget, or, sadly, anything near it, right now would be absolutely catastrophic to our economy.

Quoting Homer71 (Reply 5):
Rose to 66%? Wasn't he in the 80s a few weeks ago?

No. There was one poll (CNN 2/7-2/8) that had him at 76%, but other than that, nothing higher than 70 since his inauguration. See http://www.realclearpolitics.com/epo...obama_job_approval-1044.html#polls for more details. I like RCP because it gives a better overall impression, since it is basically an average of the different surveys.

Cheers,
Cameron


User currently offlineBoeing4ever From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 11, posted (5 years 2 weeks 3 days 5 hours ago) and read 3832 times:



Quoting Dreadnought (Reply 9):
The Polish and other East European spent political capital in inviting the missile defence system in their country, believing that they would be able to benefit from its umbrella. Aparently Obama did not even consult them before making his offer to Russia.

Well, not consulting is just a sign of more of the same. Obama differs little from Bush in this matter.

The Missile Shield has always been a sore point on a lot of ends. A lot of people in Poland are opposed to it if it needlessly starts an arms race. But, a lot of Poles want guarantees that joining NATO will provide a realistic security benefit...especially with Russia's actions in Georgia as well as their aggressive stance towards Eastern Europe.

FYI, when the US was negotiating for the shield, they managed to piss off President Kaczynski by including a presumptuous pretyped approval letter for him to sign. Not exactly tactful...and that's even with me admitting that Kaczynski is a hyper-sensitive twit.

Europeans are not falling over each other to suck on Obama's dick here. Americans always seem to come off as arrogant, and the thread starter smacked of "our president is the best, you guys wish you had him."

To the contrary, the last 8 years featured a royal douchebag. Obama is seen as a needed breath of fresh air, but he's ruffled feathers with statements like "we're ready to lead", and his spending plan for the US economy. The jury's still out, but Obama should learn from the mistakes of his predacessor and not attach a "pretyped approval letter" with himself expecting European leaders to sign on...

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User currently offlineFalcon84 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 12, posted (5 years 2 weeks 3 days 4 hours ago) and read 3806 times:

Drednought, the more popular the President seems, the angrier righties like you seem to get.

And, sorry, he's not trying to wreck the economy. Any person, I believe, who is President of the United States, is a Patriot, and wants to do his very best for the nation. I didn't agree much with Mr. Bush, but I will never question his patriotism, or the fact that I believe he did what he thought was best. I simply didn't agree.

But this.......garbage, is the best word I can think of, that keeps coming out of the right about the President, is an embarrassment to the United States, and shows how intellectually bankrupt the conservative side of this country has become since the days of Ronald Reagan. It's nauseating.


User currently offlineSv7887 From United States of America, joined May 2008, 1025 posts, RR: 0
Reply 13, posted (5 years 2 weeks 3 days 4 hours ago) and read 3781 times:



Quoting Longhornmaniac (Reply 10):
WE'RE IN A RECESSION! You can't just sit idly by hoping it gets better. We have to get money circulating again. If anything, we should be spending significantly more. The only entity that has the power (read: finances...a bit ironic, since we really don't) to stimulate a stagnant economy is the U.S. government.

You don't spend your way out of debt...Especially when you're already up to your eyeballs in it. The Congressional Budget Office has already said that they don't expect any of this to work. You can add the number of economists who have also said this level of spending is just plain irresponsible and unsustainable.

Spending aimlessly on infrastructure and other projects just repeats the mistakes the Japanese made in the 1990s. The Japanese did all of things you've mentioned and got little out of it. This revisionism of massive interventionism being the root solution is just plain wrong and those sources will show you the facts of the matter.

Source: http://www.newsmax.com/newsfront/oba...omists_debt/2009/03/17/192995.html
http://gettopstocks.blogspot.com/200...-warns-obama-stimulus-package.html
http://www.moneymorning.com/2008/07/17/the-lost-decade/
http://www.reason.com/news/show/131661.html

Also notice the EU, China, and other countries have rebuffed his calls for a global stimulus package. Throwing money, especially borrowed money at the problem solves nothing.

Look at the TARP program and the bailouts of GM and Chrysler. Those are two prime examples of how ineffective spending money is.

The fact simply is this: We're uncompetitive as a nation (manufacturing, etc), we consume far too much and well beyond our means. (Look at household debt, personal savings rates, credit card debt, etc). Simply begging the US populace to spend more money as Bush and Obama have done will not solve the problem.

We're an economy based on consumer spending, often irresponsibly. We're a country with a weakening industrial base, which is not good long term and it will continue to get worse. We're not energy efficient (probably the only part of Obama's spending that I do agree with) and our education system is pathetic compared to that of our Asian allies.

Simply building new schools, roads, and waiting for people to spend whatever money we have saved does nothing to solve the problem.

It requires us to reinvent who we are, our attitudes towards education, and our sense of self entitlement....Google the story of IBM and how they had to reinvent themselves to remain solvent. The lessons from there are highly relevant to this situation.


User currently offlineConfuscius From United States of America, joined Aug 2001, 3825 posts, RR: 1
Reply 14, posted (5 years 2 weeks 3 days 4 hours ago) and read 3774 times:



Quoting Sv7887 (Reply 14):
Google the story of IBM and how they had to reinvent themselves to remain solvent.

By sending jobs to India?



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User currently offlineFalcon84 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 15, posted (5 years 2 weeks 3 days 4 hours ago) and read 3773 times:



Quoting Confuscius (Reply 15):
Quoting Sv7887 (Reply 14):
Google the story of IBM and how they had to reinvent themselves to remain solvent.

By sending jobs to India?

On the mat he goes!



User currently offlineBN747 From United States of America, joined Mar 2002, 5477 posts, RR: 51
Reply 16, posted (5 years 2 weeks 3 days 4 hours ago) and read 3767 times:

I myself am moved of the media reports coming in at how excited the citizens of the Europe are about the young American President's arrival. For the first time American is truly embodied in the form of man who truly represents ALL of America. This not your dad's President...it's someone who understands the 21st Century, the changes that are unstoppable along with a leader who can jump into and absorb change, grasp the understanding of it's implications and apply the attributes that come with it in a most positive way. He represents New Age America (yes, it has a caravan of troglodytes kicking, screaming, biting and resisting all the way)..but change comes whether we want itor not.

A good cross section of America, young & old, white, black, Asian, Latino, Native American, gay & lesbian must feel for the 1st time ever...someone who 'actually' does understand and can identify with them as a people and relate to their wishes, desires, dreams and goals... flows natually thru the aura of this man. He's making an enormous cross section of Americans feel included and represented on the world stage for the very 1st time in their lives. Many have waited a lifetime for this moment. Select Americans have felt this way generation after generation..but now the reach is vast and gone farther than ever before. It all could not be placed in a more capable pair of hands. Good luck, Mr. President...do us proud.


BN747



"Home of the Brave, made by the Slaves..Land of the Free, if you look like me.." T. Jefferson
User currently offlineFalcon84 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 17, posted (5 years 2 weeks 3 days 4 hours ago) and read 3761 times:



Quoting BN747 (Reply 17):

Boy, are the righties gonna flame your butt for this one.  rotfl 

You're correct, of course, but they just can't stand the fact that the world never accepted Mr. Bush, and respect and admire Mr. Obama. It infuriates them to no end.


User currently offlineBN747 From United States of America, joined Mar 2002, 5477 posts, RR: 51
Reply 18, posted (5 years 2 weeks 3 days 4 hours ago) and read 3754 times:

Quoting Falcon84 (Reply 18):
Quoting BN747 (Reply 17):

Boy, are the righties gonna flame your butt for this one. rotfl

You know I don't shrink from controversy...

In the infamous words of their 'hero' (small h)..."Bring it on"

..actually there's no need for me to fight with them...the sheer and staggering global adulation will cause them more agony than I ever could.

BN747

[Edited 2009-03-31 20:58:50]


"Home of the Brave, made by the Slaves..Land of the Free, if you look like me.." T. Jefferson
User currently offlineBaroque From Australia, joined Apr 2006, 15380 posts, RR: 59
Reply 19, posted (5 years 2 weeks 3 days 3 hours ago) and read 3732 times:



Quoting Falcon84 (Reply 18):
You're correct, of course, but they just can't stand the fact that the world never accepted Mr. Bush, and respect and admire Mr. Obama. It infuriates them to no end.

It is knowing they are wrong that makes them so mad. (Traduced from Flanders M).

Fascinating thread. Up until today, I did not know that FDR was a signatory to the Molotov Ribbentrop pact (Reply 8) although I did know about the Yalta capers. The things you learn on a.net - if you are not careful, but then again, it is April 1.


User currently offlineSv7887 From United States of America, joined May 2008, 1025 posts, RR: 0
Reply 20, posted (5 years 2 weeks 3 days 3 hours ago) and read 3732 times:



Quoting BN747 (Reply 19):
..actually there's no need for me to fight with them...the sheer and staggering global adulation will cause them more agony than I ever could.

Winning popularity contests doesn't mean anything...I was never a big fan of Mr. Bush either, so I'm not discounting his failures as President. Results matter and so fair it's not that great.

The global markets have given him quite the global adulation.....See the Dow lately and the dollar tanking? That's the global response to our policies right now.

Economists give him a failing grade:
http://online.wsj.com/article/SB123671107124286261.html

Those same EU leaders you're talking about are wary too:
http://thehill.com/leading-the-news/...wary-world-leaders-2009-03-28.html

And the Chinese are worried about buying our debt:
http://www.bloomberg.com/apps/news?p...601087&sid=aVq1dGC2ozoY&refer=home


User currently offlineDreadnought From United States of America, joined Feb 2008, 8710 posts, RR: 24
Reply 21, posted (5 years 2 weeks 3 days 3 hours ago) and read 3731 times:



Quoting Falcon84 (Reply 12):
Drednought, the more popular the President seems, the angrier righties like you seem to get.

Well, I don't care for popularity polls. Half of the population is dumber than toast anyway. I think we've both lived long enough to figure that out.

Quoting Falcon84 (Reply 12):
Any person, I believe, who is President of the United States, is a Patriot, and wants to do his very best for the nation. I didn't agree much with Mr. Bush, but I will never question his patriotism, or the fact that I believe he did what he thought was best. I simply didn't agree.

I used to believe that. Things looked hopeful during the transition when Obama was giving some signs of wanting to governm from the center. And to be fair, sometimes he still does on small issue.

But Obama is not alone in this. You have him, Ried, Pelosi, Frank, Dodd, and Rangel in Congress who are all in charge of, if not the house or senate, the most critical committees at this time. All of them are hard-left redistributionists (maybe a little less so with Ried and Dodd - they're just rotten). Their philosophy is divide and conquer - bash on the top 20 or so % of the nation and give their money to the rest, knowing that people will vote for whoever is giving them stuff. It does not matter to them whether the country grows or is prosperous - their interest is relative to political power.

To be honest, it is a very, very powerful strategy. Get the unions on your side. Get the government employees on your side (a conservative government would want to downsize - gov't employees won't ever vote for that). Get minorities on your side by talking about amnesty, reparations and redistribution. Get a lot of the poor people by getting them angry at rich people (I hope you saw the ACORN protests a couple of weeks ago). Get the census under direct political control to control redistricting. Give amnesty to all the illegals who will give Democrats an extra 10 million votes in gratitude.

It doesn't matter if the economy tanks, because wealth is always relative. I remember seeing a study not long ago where people were asked which situation would they prefer (I'm paraphrasing here):

A) You make $50K per year, and most of your friends and neighbors make $25,000

B) You make $100K per year, and most of your friends and neighbors make $200,000

Most people chose A). People would rather be closer to the top than for everyone to be more prosperous, but with themselves closer to the bottom.

And then you have the philosophy of Creative Destruction, which was a tennent of all the people Obama was trained by and idolized in his early days (not to mention poeple like Marx and Mao), who said that if a capitalist society refuses to convert towards socialism, you must gain enough control of it to bankrupt it. In the depths of despair, people will be willing to give the necessary power to government, allowing to creat this "ideal" society.

"What follows is for those who want to change the world from what it is to what they believe it should be...Dostoevski said that taking a new step is what people fear most. Any revolutionary change must be preceded by a passive, affirmative, non-challenging attitude toward change among the mass of our people. They must feel so frustrated, so defeated, so lost, so futureless in the prevailing system that they are willing to let go of the past and change the future. This acceptance is the reformation essential to any revolution. To bring on this reformation requires that the organizer work inside the system

- Saul Alinsky

http://www.freeimagehosting.net/uploads/a26bacc210.jpg

Remember that Obama was not only a student of Alinsky's writings, but actually TAUGHT Alinsky. BTW, One of Alinsky's actual students was a young Hillary Rodham.

So yeah, I worry now that the man that we've elected, unlike any other previous president Republican or Democrat, might not actually want prosperity for the country, that he might want to push for an economic meltdown that would allow for a revolution.

Maybe I give Obama too much credit - maybe what's going on is not some grand design but rather sheer incompetance. But the circumstantial evidence is striking.



Veni Vidi Castratavi Illegitimos
User currently offlineFalcon84 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 22, posted (5 years 2 weeks 3 days 3 hours ago) and read 3707 times:



Quoting Dreadnought (Reply 23):
Well, I don't care for popularity polls.

 rotfl 

That's good, because conservatives aren't very popular these days, are they?

I imagine you had no problem with said polls when Bush's numbers where high.

Quoting Dreadnought (Reply 23):
So yeah, I worry now that the man that we've elected, unlike any other previous president Republican or Democrat, might not actually want prosperity for the country

If you REALLY believe that, you, in my mind, abrogate your standing as a good American. Sorry, but I think that is nonsense. And you wonder why I question people like Michelle Bachmann? Same mindset.


User currently offlineDreadnought From United States of America, joined Feb 2008, 8710 posts, RR: 24
Reply 23, posted (5 years 2 weeks 3 days 3 hours ago) and read 3703 times:



Quoting Sv7887 (Reply 20):
But doesn't that mask the problem? The problem is no one knows what these assets are worth right now.

The value of anything becomes more clear over time. Go to a flea market and try to sell, say, your old dishware. How much do you sell it for. Wait a little while, walk around the market, listen to people bartering - eventually the market price becomes clear.

The problem came in a short period of time when the market froze and there were no buyers, and mark-to-market forced financial institutions to revalue their portfolios right away, forcing otherwise healthy companies to post huge losses to their P&L, even if their cash flow was untouched. Those losses were often enough to create an upside-down balance sheet and effective bankruptcy.

My proposal of a 3-year delay would allow a 3 year period for these assets to rightsize themselves. There probably would be losses, but nothing like what we saw, and nothing warranting a huge bailout.

But recinding mark-to-market would have been an admission by the government that their own rule was a mistake. That would never do. Better to blame the banks and the markets, and use the opportunity for a power grab.



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User currently offlineSv7887 From United States of America, joined May 2008, 1025 posts, RR: 0
Reply 24, posted (5 years 2 weeks 3 days 3 hours ago) and read 3754 times:



Quoting Falcon84 (Reply 24):
Quoting Dreadnought (Reply 23):
Well, I don't care for popularity polls.

rotfl

That's good, because conservatives aren't very popular these days, are they?

I imagine you had no problem with said polls when Bush's numbers where high.

They aren't exactly unpopular either:
http://www.realclearpolitics.com/epo...eneric_congressional_vote-901.html

Getting back to the original theme, it's fine that Obama is mending ties with those abroad. But realize at the end of the day our allies have slightly different agendas than ours.

Germany for instance seems to have retained its sanity and is very much against spending aimlessly.

Merkel: "German Chancellor Angela Merkel has reiterated that she does not favor a new package of economic stimulus measures despite US calls for more spending as world leaders prepare for a G20 meeting in London.

"We do not think much of the idea of a new package of measures" to underpin the economy, Merkel told a press conference in Munich on Friday, March 13, after a meeting with employers."

http://www.dw-world.de/dw/article/0,,4095549,00.html

And Gordon Brown is having trouble selling UK's debt binge:

"he first failed British bond auction in more than seven years leaves Prime Minister Gordon Brown’s reputation for economic competence even more tarnished as he battles recession and a rising tide of voter anger.

Brown, who had the backing of 30 percent of the electorate in a ComRes Ltd. poll last week, must now cope with what amounts to a vote of no confidence by investors in his ability to end the recession. Bank of England Governor Mervyn King, his ally for much of the past decade, warned a day earlier that there’s no more money for further spending. "

http://www.bloomberg.com/apps/news?p...601087&sid=amPQ1sDv8PFU&refer=home


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30 Post contains images Klaus : It is the first major summit with a post-imperial US president again. And as such he is highly welcome here with a big sigh of relief; That would be
31 Bongodog1964 : " target=_blank>http://www.theaustralian.news.com.au....html It most definitley failed, somewhere along the line by the time the story reached Austra
32 Par13del : I'll add a cpuple points. 1. How popular a political leader is among his peers does not mean the polulous follows. The Saudi Govt., Pakistan Govt. all
33 Klaus : Staying alive. It will likely be due to security considerations. (Security of the respective airport and of the roads to the summit venue.)
34 Falcon84 : She has more class than someone who tries to pick on the first lady for no reason.
35 L410Turbolet : And here I was thinking that it was your trademark whenever the topic of the discussion was the infalilble EU.
36 Bongodog1964 : Firstly, he didn't use any roads, it was AF1 into STN & then Marine 1 to Regents Park, adjacent to the US embassy. If he had chosen to use Mildenhall
37 Post contains links 767Lover : I do like Obama and have high hopes for him, but let's not overstate his track record or capabilities. He, in the words of (liberal) New Yorker column
38 Sebolino : Actually it's a hell here in Strasbourg. There are cops and "Gendarmes" everywhere. The town center will be locked friday, the highways will be closed
39 JBirdAV8r : In the CNN and Washington Post polls (are they even scientific polls?) yes, but in others like the Gallup, Rasmussen, and Zogby polls, his ratings ar
40 Aaron747 : Well the Bobbies are certainly loving all the moronic anarchists who thought it would play well for the camera and their pathetic agenda to break into
41 BN747 : This is not the 1st time I've heard this as well, I've heard this and harsher terms to describe O as being incredibly shrewd and swiftly ruthless. If
42 Klaus : Just bring a quote and link of me saying that and we can talk. In the absence of that, maybe you should re-examine your own projections. From the way
43 BN747 : Okay, this is so far off the mark it borders being offensive. First of all tune in to any channel reporting on Pres. O's trip and 'listen' to the wor
44 LH423 : Considering the raison d'être of the Secret Service is the protection of the President, it's true, that he doesn't get much say in the way things ar
45 Bongodog1964 : If a job makes you the no 1 assassination target in the World; it might well be time to consider quite why that is the case.
46 Klaus : On the emotional side, that's probably a fair description of most people's reactions. Of course even McCain would have been a major improvement alrea
47 Klaus : Controversial policies are just a part of the equation. A wide assortment of mentally disturbed people simply react to the elevated status and the vi
48 Commander_Rabb : Excitement? Take a walkie around London's financial district. Lot's of excitement there. Let's all hold our collective breath and not suffocate shall
49 Post contains links Sv7887 : Note the shorter duration of those bonds that actually sold. The ones that failed miserably were the 40 yr version. Like I said, it's not a bad thing
50 Post contains links Sv7887 : LOL. Most of my friends in the London financial district are screaming right now at the state of the global economy. I don't feel too bad for them ev
51 Bongodog1964 : Over hyped, over protected, and over here After the day London has had, please leave soon.
52 Post contains images OA260 : Great to see Obama in the UK. Michelle is very graceful and has already captured the hearts of the people she met. She visited a cancer charity today.
53 BN747 : We as in 'we the American people? You and your family? Is it that hard to say "I wish him well".. Anyway, thanks for the news summary, but I know pre
54 QANTAS077 : pull your head it, you sound like a whining Brit!
55 OA260 : Gotta love Prince Phillip and the un diplomatic comment he made to Obama about him meeting the Russians and the Chinese.
56 Oa260 : Yeah Prince Phillip is a say it like it is guy. Bit like myself, must be the Greek connection LOL.... UK Media are reporting that the Queen had reque
57 BN747 : I'm hearing that in turn..the Queen gave Obama a pic of her...a photo of her, what's that all about?! A pic of Diana maybe...but are you kiddin' me ?
58 Aaron747 : Ain't that the truth. Have a very liberal American woman co-worker who thinks it's her mission to change male-dominant Japanese society. She's consta
59 BN747 : That my man is a feminist issue...not a liberal front row there! Second, third row maybe...but Feminist 1st and foremost. And I'm sure there's a good
60 Aaron747 : I wasn't aware that feminism is on the extreme end of the conservative political spectrum. In the form she brings it, it's liberal arrogance at its w
61 BN747 : Well luckily for her... 'everybody-should-speak-english-traveling Conservative Americans ' outnumber this woman you find annoying.. by a ration of 10
62 UAXDXer : Who is trying to pick on her? Also... Can some please tell me when I might expect my video Ipod from Obama?
63 Post contains links BN747 : Trying? Bro...they've been at it for quite some time now... Attacks on Michelle Obama unwarranted http://www.progressive.org/mp_smith061808 Right win
64 DocLightning : And she TOWERS over the British Royals. TOWERS over them. OMG.
65 StasisLAX : Russia has learned little from their nation's horrific past. The Russian citizen's long years under the Soviet political system only served to make t
66 AGM100 : No flaming ... just clear reality. He is loved because he supports socialist ideals and he represents opposition to Americas past ,which is so hated
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