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User currently offlineUAL747 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Posted (5 years 4 months 3 weeks 10 hours ago) and read 2652 times:

So what are they up to these past few months? How is life in Dallas, or have they moved. Has the Library at SMU started yet? (I have no idea where they are going to put it)....

Also, where, if anywhere, are we on possible war crimes accusations/legal action?

UAL

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User currently offlineFalstaff From United States of America, joined Jun 2006, 6088 posts, RR: 29
Reply 1, posted (5 years 4 months 3 weeks 8 hours ago) and read 2621 times:
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Quoting UAL747 (Thread starter):
Also, where, if anywhere, are we on possible war crimes accusations/legal action?

We should be nowhere. Charging a US president with war crimes in the US is politicaly dangerous. It will only be a matter of time before the country shifts right again and a someone who is a political opposite of GWB will be on the stand answering for what he has done.

If you think the country is divided now try trying a US president for war crimes in his own country and you will really see division.

The election is over and GWB is out of the white house so get over it!



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User currently offlineUAL747 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 2, posted (5 years 4 months 3 weeks 8 hours ago) and read 2611 times:

Quoting Falstaff (Reply 1):
The election is over and GWB is out of the white house so get over it!

I don't have anything to get over really, you are right he's out of the White House, but isn't there supposed to an ongoing investigation at this point in time? I'm merely asking the question because I do not know. No political motivations behind it.

Also just wondering if they are settling in, what they are doing now, etc. If they've been seen around Dallas, speaking engagements, etc.


UAL

[Edited 2009-04-04 08:39:51]

User currently offlineSuper80DFW From United States of America, joined Oct 2007, 1692 posts, RR: 11
Reply 3, posted (5 years 4 months 3 weeks 8 hours ago) and read 2591 times:

GWB is supposed to be throwing the first pitch at the Ranger's opener.


"Things change, friends leave, life doesn't stop for anybody." -- EAT'EM UP EAT'EM UP KSU!!
User currently offlineLAXintl From United States of America, joined May 2000, 25069 posts, RR: 46
Reply 4, posted (5 years 4 months 3 weeks 8 hours ago) and read 2590 times:

In March he was in Calgary for a speaking engagement, while last week he threw the opening pitch for Texas Rangers


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User currently offlineFalcon84 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 5, posted (5 years 4 months 3 weeks 8 hours ago) and read 2588 times:

Personally, who cares what they're up to? I sure don't.

As for war crimes, forget it. One reason the U.S. doesn't recognized the Kangaroo, eeeer, I mean International Court, is that every yahoo in the world would have been after U.S. citizens to haul them before that institution. As much as I wa against going to war in Iraq, I don't see Mr. Bush guilty of any war crimes.


User currently offlineConfuscius From United States of America, joined Aug 2001, 3852 posts, RR: 1
Reply 6, posted (5 years 4 months 3 weeks 7 hours ago) and read 2535 times:



Quoting UAL747 (Thread starter):
Latest Status On The Bush's?

I believe he's living in exile in the island of Elba or St. Helena.

What's odd is that about 3/4 of his administration is unemployed. Most notably is former Attorney General Alberto Gonzales, he hasn't found a job in a about two years. Maybe they'll find jobs when the Obama stimulus kicks in and AG Gonzales can find a nice construction job.



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User currently offlineConnies4ever From Canada, joined Feb 2006, 4066 posts, RR: 13
Reply 7, posted (5 years 4 months 3 weeks 7 hours ago) and read 2518 times:



Quoting Falcon84 (Reply 5):
Personally, who cares what they're up to? I sure don't.

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Quoting Falcon84 (Reply 5):
As for war crimes, forget it. One reason the U.S. doesn't recognized the Kangaroo, eeeer, I mean International Court, is that every yahoo in the world would have been after U.S. citizens to haul them before that institution. As much as I wa against going to war in Iraq, I don't see Mr. Bush guilty of any war crimes.


Maybe. Don't forget there were the kidnapping charges against several CIA officers regarding a rendition in Italy (Genoa, I believe). I do not know if that case is still open. A prosecutor trying to make a name for himself/herself in Europe might charge Mr. Bush -- assuming he or she is willing to stir up a sh*tstorm politically.

Personally, I think Bush is guilty of prosecuting a war of aggression. Cheney and Rummy too. Whether it's worth the effort and cost to pursue it, I still haven't made up my mind.



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User currently offlineCommander_Rabb From United States of America, joined Feb 2000, 771 posts, RR: 7
Reply 8, posted (5 years 4 months 3 weeks 6 hours ago) and read 2508 times:



Quoting Commies4ever (Reply 7):
Personally, I think Bush is guilty of prosecuting a war of aggression. Cheney and Rummy too. Whether it's worth the effort and cost to pursue it, I still haven't made up my mind.

Sounds like selective prosocution on your part.  Yeah sure Fact is he's not guilty of anything and he's out of office. Get over it and find a new target for left wing vengence.


User currently offlineAaron747 From Japan, joined Aug 2003, 8124 posts, RR: 26
Reply 9, posted (5 years 4 months 3 weeks 6 hours ago) and read 2507 times:



Quoting Connies4ever (Reply 7):
Personally, I think Bush is guilty of prosecuting a war of aggression. Cheney and Rummy too. Whether it's worth the effort and cost to pursue it, I still haven't made up my mind.

That's not really something that can be prosecuted when nearly the entire US Congress voted for it. Give it up.



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User currently offlinePSA53 From United States of America, joined Aug 2003, 3059 posts, RR: 4
Reply 10, posted (5 years 4 months 3 weeks 6 hours ago) and read 2478 times:



Quoting Falstaff (Reply 1):
Quoting UAL747 (Thread starter):
Also, where, if anywhere, are we on possible war crimes accusations/legal action?

We should be nowhere. Charging a US president with war crimes in the US is politicaly dangerous. It will only be a matter of time before the country shifts right again and a someone who is a political opposite of GWB will be on the stand answering for what he has done.

Then charge FDR.You know he wanted WW2.War crimes commited against the innocent in that conflict.Start with B-17 bombings.Or how about under the table dealings.Liberty ships that were flawed?Lend-lease?.And then charge every other president who commited war.

You guys are too much.Let it go.



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User currently offlineUs330 From United States of America, joined Aug 2000, 3871 posts, RR: 14
Reply 11, posted (5 years 4 months 3 weeks 3 hours ago) and read 2382 times:



Quoting Confuscius (Reply 6):
I believe he's living in exile in the island of Elba or St. Helena

He's back in Dallas, according to my folks (who live nearby).

As for the Bush Library--supposedly it's going to be in the area between SMU and Central Expressway off of Mockingbird--where a Barnes and Noble and a couple of shops are right now currently.

Quoting Connies4ever (Reply 7):
I think Bush is guilty of prosecuting a war of aggression. Cheney and Rummy too.

Name one war that couldn't be perceived as aggressive?

If they are going to prosecute him on one thing, I'd nail him for lying about the WMD's in Iraq.
I think that's what most people were pissed off about anyway. Not that he went into Iraq, but that he lied about the reasons for doing so. Had he just been honest and said we are going in there to take out Saddam Hussein, I think people would have backed it, although not as many as backed it based on the WMD case.

I would like to see an investigation conducted to see if he violated any major U.S. laws while in office (ie something on the scale of Watergate)


User currently offlineUAL747 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 12, posted (5 years 4 months 3 weeks 3 hours ago) and read 2356 times:



Quoting Us330 (Reply 14):
He's back in Dallas, according to my folks (who live nearby).

As for the Bush Library--supposedly it's going to be in the area between SMU and Central Expressway off of Mockingbird--where a Barnes and Noble and a couple of shops are right now currently.

So does this mean that La Madeleine, Roly Poly...the SMU staple foods are going? God!

UAL


User currently offlineMir From United States of America, joined Jan 2004, 21558 posts, RR: 55
Reply 13, posted (5 years 4 months 3 weeks 2 hours ago) and read 2348 times:



Quoting UAL747 (Thread starter):
Also, where, if anywhere, are we on possible war crimes accusations/legal action?

Hopefully nowhere. There should be an investigation into the many things that went wrong with his presidency in order to make sure that the mistakes are learned from, but trying to get some prosecutions out of it, while it may make people feel good for a bit, is ultimately going to be counterproductive.

-Mir



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User currently offlineDfwRevolution From United States of America, joined Jan 2010, 968 posts, RR: 51
Reply 14, posted (5 years 4 months 3 weeks 2 hours ago) and read 2334 times:



Quoting Us330 (Reply 14):
He's back in Dallas, according to my folks (who live nearby).

He has frequented Cafe Pacific in Highland Park a few times. My grandmother is about as stalwart a conservative as they come (campaigned for Goldwater in Texas, enough said), and happened to be celebrating her 85th birthday there when George and Laura sat down at the table next to them. She was downright giddy.

Quoting Us330 (Reply 14):
As for the Bush Library--supposedly it's going to be in the area between SMU and Central Expressway off of Mockingbird--where a Barnes and Noble and a couple of shops are right now currently.

The library is going to sit south of Binkley Ave and will stretch down to the corner of Centarl and Mockingbird. All of it will be east of Dublin St. It looks like the only businesses that will be displaced is a row of old apartment complexes on Binkley. The strip containing Barnes and Noble and those restaurants UAL747 mentions look safe according to the master plan:

http://www.georgewbushlibrary.com/about

Quoting UAL747 (Reply 15):
So does this mean that La Madeleine, Roly Poly...the SMU staple foods are going? God!

Someone would actually miss Roly Poly sandwhiches?  Wink


User currently offlineSuper80DFW From United States of America, joined Oct 2007, 1692 posts, RR: 11
Reply 15, posted (5 years 4 months 3 weeks 2 hours ago) and read 2318 times:



Quoting UAL747 (Reply 15):

Well, if that particular La Madeleine is going away.. There are plenty of other ones around. They're based in Dallas.



"Things change, friends leave, life doesn't stop for anybody." -- EAT'EM UP EAT'EM UP KSU!!
User currently offlineUAL747 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 16, posted (5 years 4 months 3 weeks 2 hours ago) and read 2295 times:



Quoting DfwRevolution (Reply 17):
Someone would actually miss Roly Poly sandwhiches?

God! I loved them when I went there. They were the hangover food from heaven!

La Madeleine got old though. There's only so much tomato basil soup and low fat Caesar salad you can take. It was rather overrated.

UAL


User currently offlineDocLightning From United States of America, joined Nov 2005, 19511 posts, RR: 58
Reply 17, posted (5 years 4 months 3 weeks ago) and read 2239 times:



Quoting Falstaff (Reply 1):

We should be nowhere. Charging a US president with war crimes in the US is politicaly dangerous. It will only be a matter of time before the country shifts right again and a someone who is a political opposite of GWB will be on the stand answering for what he has done.

If you're going to do that, then you need to have pretty clear and unambiguous evidence that he did something truly heinous. For example, if the DNC had evidence that Bush actually arranged the 9/11 attacks and the evidence was solid, then they would probably go after him. You would have a very small minority who would support Bush in that case.

In this case, most of the charges, while probably valid, would cause enough public outcry to lead to actual civil unrest. IMHO, putting Bush on trial for war crimes (which he committed by any standard definition) is the right thing to do, BUT it would be so damaging that it is also the wrong thing to do.


User currently offlineDocLightning From United States of America, joined Nov 2005, 19511 posts, RR: 58
Reply 18, posted (5 years 4 months 2 weeks 6 days 22 hours ago) and read 2212 times:

http://www.cnn.com/2009/POLITICS/04/03/pm.torture/index.html

Interesting:

Quote:
Any investigations or potential prosecutions could set off a national debate complicating everything else Obama wants to accomplish.

But the U.S. has signed international treaties on torture and war crimes, suggesting it's legally obligated to prosecute any cases that come to light.

Countries in Europe, Africa and the Americas have found a way to face their secret crimes.

The United States has to decide if it wants to take its own turn.



User currently offlineSv7887 From United States of America, joined May 2008, 1025 posts, RR: 0
Reply 19, posted (5 years 4 months 2 weeks 6 days 22 hours ago) and read 2211 times:



Quoting DocLightning (Reply 26):

Well, gee, I'm not surprised! If you don't fund research, then you don't get any cures. Are you aware that it takes 15 years to bring a medical treatment to market once it's been developed to its final state?

Right now drug companies are starting to investigate drugs that will not hit the market for OVER A DECADE.

Um has anyone anywhere made any progress with this line of research? No...In fact it caused fatal tumors in the lab animals and person they tried in on...

Has anyone anywhere made any progress with Adult Stem Cells? Yes! In use for over 72 different types of diseases.

Same time frame, two different paths and two very different results...You can't argue with results.

You're trying to make the case that Bush impeded science, yet the path he pursued produced better results....

And to your last point:

Did Bush stop private drug firms from doing this research? No! And who do you think has the most money to spend? A cash strapped government or big pharmaceutical firms with access to the capital markets?

You seem to gloss over the fact that Big Pharma spends tens of BILLIONS of research and Bush's order didn't do anything to deter them from pursuing this path.

You also ignore that Obama's spending bill curtailed the use of federal dollars for expanding the research any further so nothing has really changed unless Congress changes the law...

Google the Dickey Wicker Amendment...


User currently offlineOlle From Sweden, joined Feb 2007, 281 posts, RR: 0
Reply 20, posted (5 years 4 months 2 weeks 6 days 21 hours ago) and read 2173 times:

Regarding the WMD in Iraq and the infamous moment in UN, did anyone apologize to the French and German government? When France said the true and did not accept the case, there was freedom fries, do not drink french wine, old and new Europe etc?

Now Obama suddenly go around and smiles and request the old Europe to join the cleening.  Wink


User currently offlineFlyDeltaJets87 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 21, posted (5 years 4 months 2 weeks 6 days 18 hours ago) and read 2102 times:



Quoting UAL747 (Thread starter):

Leno has had some pretty good clips with Steve Bridges, the Bush Impersonator called "What is George Bush doing now". So far my favorite was Bush using a leaf blower to spin himself around in a swivel chair.  rotfl 


User currently offlineRNOcommctr From United States of America, joined Jan 2001, 827 posts, RR: 3
Reply 22, posted (5 years 4 months 2 weeks 5 days 22 hours ago) and read 1996 times:

Status of the Bush family? Probably not doing much outside of playing golf and fixing fences on the ranch. I'm basing this on other Republican ex-presidents, e.g., Ford, Reagan, and Bush Sr. I'm sure if I did a complete internet search on these Republicans, I could probably find a few charity boards of which they were members. Compare their retirements to Democrat ex-Presidents like Carter and Clinton. Both of these men have dedicated their lives to public service as heads of foundations (Habitat for Humanity for Carter) and as informal diplomats at international hot spots. Even ex- Vice President Gore has remained heavily involved in global climate issues.

Democratic ex-Presidents tend to stay in public service, while Republican ex-Presidents seem to be reclusive and stick pretty much to the country clubs.



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User currently offlineLTBEWR From United States of America, joined Jan 2004, 13073 posts, RR: 12
Reply 23, posted (5 years 4 months 2 weeks 5 days 21 hours ago) and read 1973 times:

I doubt he will travel outside the USA (except to Mexico or has already done to Canada unless it is a place where he cannot be served or arrested on international war crimes. I suspect that he leads a very lonely life, due to security needs due to the hatred for him by many. I doubt he will be doing much except for working on his library and his autobiography. He won't be making million dollar speeches with his lousy speaking style or cushy corp board posts as his many conterversial and indeed illegal acts per some keeps any sane person from making such offers.

User currently offlineMir From United States of America, joined Jan 2004, 21558 posts, RR: 55
Reply 24, posted (5 years 4 months 2 weeks 5 days 21 hours ago) and read 1967 times:



Quoting LTBEWR (Reply 23):
He won't be making million dollar speeches with his lousy speaking style

Yeah, he can screw up some things hilariously from time to time, but he was president during one of the most pivotal points in US history. He'll have some speaking engagements.

-Mir



7 billion, one nation, imagination...it's a beautiful day
25 FlyDeltaJets87 : What do you base this off of? Bush, Sr. has worked along side Clinton numerous times. The first one that comes to mind is on the Tsunami relief, then
26 Falcon84 : Recent history? Reagan made a few million speaking before his unfortunate illness. Bush Sr. has done some work with President Clinton, but it hasn't
27 RNOcommctr : From Wikipedia-- total lines devoted to the post-presidential activities of various presidents, including charitable work, diplomatic efforrts, and aw
28 Falcon84 : Carter and Ford spent a lot of time together, and became good friends, but their activities were more political in nature, not in humanitarian efforts
29 Post contains links Baroque : Comedians (at the Melb comedy festival) down under are in general not so happy with his removal from the world stage although one did point out that n
30 Flighty : Absolutely. Bush was actually really great on that. And I am praising a guy who I believe was part of a criminal gang who ordered killings primarily
31 UAXDXer : How is what Bush did different than what Truman did to Japan? Anyone try and bring Truman up on War Crimes?
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