Bill142 From Australia, joined Aug 2004, 8477 posts, RR: 8
Reply 1, posted (5 years 11 months 3 days 6 hours ago) and read 3567 times:
I think the that the KERS teams will do better because China is a good track to use it on. Monaco and Hungary are probably the tracks KERS will be most ineffective on.
Having said that, I expect a strong showing from Brawn, Toyota and BMW Sauber again. Assuming weather doesn't come into play Brawn look pretty hard to beat.
Interesting to note that McLaren continued to mislead the FIA during the second meeting in Singapore. One thing I simply don't understand, how were McLaren ever allowed to lie in the first place? Is it not mandatory that the team radio transcripts are heard during the initial investigation after the Australian GP?
Can you say 'Beer Can' without sounding like a Jamaican saying 'Bacon'?
StealthZ From Australia, joined Feb 2005, 5784 posts, RR: 43
Reply 7, posted (5 years 11 months 2 days 3 hours ago) and read 3474 times:
Luca di Montezemolo is confident that Ferrai can overcome the difficulties faced in the early season.
If/when* the FIA (pick whatever you like for those initials) help out by eliminating McLaren then the Scuderia will have only seven teams to catch up with not eight, should be a walk in the park!
Better not take too many more races to improve though or the task may just prove too daunting.
* I fear it is when rather than if, I would think Fascist Max has made up his mind and determined that McLaren will be out of F1 before he relinquishes his dictatorship... er presidency
If your camera sends text messages, that could explain why your photos are rubbish!
CXB77L From Australia, joined Feb 2009, 2731 posts, RR: 5
Reply 9, posted (5 years 10 months 4 weeks 1 hour ago) and read 3370 times:
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Quoting Bill142 (Reply 1): I expect a strong showing from Brawn, Toyota and BMW Sauber again
I think Red Bull and Williams will be up there too. Red Bull have shown that they have the pace to be a consistant points finisher, and I dare say perhaps currently the second best team behind Brawn. I also have no doubt that Williams will be in the points, though a podium might be stretching it.
Waterpolodan From United States of America, joined Feb 2005, 1649 posts, RR: 4
Reply 10, posted (5 years 10 months 4 weeks 1 hour ago) and read 3367 times:
The red bull has the qualifying pace, but so far they just haven't had the strategy or consistent race pace of the brawn. I hope they can turn the corner and start competing for wins, though, as I think the car looks really cool, especially from head on, and I like both Webber and Vettel a lot. I think BGP will still be the team to beat this weekend, with another strong showing from Toyota. If Ferrari don't score points in this race, they're in real trouble. Same for Mclaren, though sadly their season will be determined in the FIA's hearings rather than on the track.
Meanwhile since it IS here, I have yet to learn what it was that McL did wrong on the track in this case. Why should a driver be penalized for what the pit does or does not do? Nobody has answered that - yet! Do we have a complete trace on what other pits were telling their drivers? It probably exists but for some odd reason we don't seem to see it. It would be truly (Trulli) astonishing if something like 36 hours of taped transcripts did not contain something illegal. Let us go completely mad and parse the statements word by word. Cos unless you do, seems like special treatment.
ScrubbsYWG From Canada, joined Mar 2007, 1495 posts, RR: 0
Reply 14, posted (5 years 10 months 3 weeks 6 days 5 hours ago) and read 3299 times:
Quoting Baroque (Reply 13): Meanwhile since it IS here, I have yet to learn what it was that McL did wrong on the track in this case. Why should a driver be penalized for what the pit does or does not do? Nobody has answered that - yet! Do we have a complete trace on what other pits were telling their drivers? It probably exists but for some odd reason we don't seem to see it. It would be truly (Trulli) astonishing if something like 36 hours of taped transcripts did not contain something illegal. Let us go completely mad and parse the statements word by word. Cos unless you do, seems like special treatment.
I dont think mclaren did anything wrong on the track. certainly nothing that would warrant what they are going through right now. Since the second meeting at Malaysia, it has always been what happened in the hours after the race in australia. Mclaren shot themselves in the foot by lying to the stewards.
As for their punishment...i dunno what they will get. They escaped any race bans for the spy scandal which was fairly serious, but in this case they were prepared to throw another competitor under the bus which i think is pretty bad...so who knows.
From Autosport.... "With the teams now having left for China, a final decision on the case will be announced on Wednesday afternoon. The full findings however, are not expected to be released until later in the week at the earliest."
If your camera sends text messages, that could explain why your photos are rubbish!
So with this in mind I think we will see a different line up this weekend if indeed the other teams brought it.
Just imagine if this would have gone the other way.
Then FIA would have told Brawn GP, Toyota and the rest how bad that was by them to run that diffuser but would have let them keep their points, and then they would kick Mclaren out of F1, even though they have nothing to do with it.
Anyone else took note of that Alessandro's user name is gone?
Aim for the sky!
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When in doubt, flat out!
: And everyone would be saying that the reason they say its illegal is to help Ferrari Even if they did bring ot to themselves or not, now let's jus
: Personally, I don't think so. Some seem to think the diffuser is the only reason Brawn are at the front of the grid and, now that the situation has b
: Nah, for the others to catch up with Brawn will take time, so I sure don't think they will be delegated further back the grid over night. That said,
: I read in F1-Live that Renault might actually already have a Diffuser ready and may race it this weekend in China. I think that if they did deem it I
: Not according to my (admittedly limited) understanding of the rules and the description of the "diffuser gang" interpretations! Having said that I am
: agree 100% proving that it's not the international assistance claimed over and over again. If they really did want to help Ferrari, they would have d
: Renault had theirs ready for Malaysia, but never used it as they were waiting the outcome from FIA. Aim for the sky! Sudden
: That's exactly my point. If the FIA sided with Ferrari, then there wouldn't be a circus to make money from, because there would be no performers (the
: I was asking myself the same question. I totally agree. I read an interview of Rory Byrne in a French newspaper and he said that Brawn's diffuser all
: Anyone else have trouble with the name of the Brawn team? http://www.practicallyedible.com/edible.nsf/pages/souse Reminds me of WWII, hours of making
: It does not mean anything in French
: Wiki France Referred to as fromage de tête, tête pressée, tête fromagée (which translates as "cheesed head") or pâté de tête. So just imagine
: I know the French naming, but never heard the English word to refer to this type of food. I learnt something!
: Exactly. I have read claims that the diffuser is worth between 02. and 0.5s per lap. So plumping for somewhere in the middle of that range still give
: I could but, I am prepared to admit my access to the detail of the situation is not as great as theirs(I hope) so will defer to conclusions. Cheers
: The diffuser alone is most likely not the only reason why Brawn GP is fast, but don't forget that Mclaren as well as Ferrari are the teams with the b
: Have they started testing in Shanghai yet? Any idea who's doing what?
: Patience Madame, as I write this just under 17 hrs to P1 Cheers
: A grand prix weekend always starts on Friday, with Monaco being the only exception.
: Button has far more than his fair share of detractors. I have a sneaky suspicion he may just have the last laugh.
: Renault will install this diffuser on their cars as soon as tomorrow (obviously, they have anticipated the FIA's decision a long time ago). We'll see
: Surprised this hasn't been mentioned yet. Ron Dennis has decided to quit from the F1 side of McLaren. He's given F1 a lot over a long time and deserve
: " target=_blank>http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport1/hi/moto...5.stm I saw this on the F1 news sites Ron Dennis is a fantastic human being. He certainly dese
: I would think most teams would have been working on an alternate solution at least since the first questions were raised over the Toyota/Williams dif
: Not necessarily as during winter testing you can bolt on more or less what you want on the car, but when it's lined up on the grid for the Oz race it
: But highly likely, the other teams questioned these diffusers when first seen and opinion(not official) seemed to indicate they were OK so you can be
: No disrespect to his achievement & entertainment he gave to/in F1, however do not believe the "mister nice guy" one bit, I am surprised MB has not cu
: While he has been around F1 for a very long time and has had many of the top drivers drive for him as well as win many championships and races, i thi
: McLaren...and Renault both have New Diffusers this weekend. Interesting to see what happens. http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport2/hi/motorsport/formula_one/80
: And it seems to be working for McLaren who topped the time charts in P1 http://www.autosport.com/news/report.php/id/74515
: The new mclaren 'diffuser' is probably just an interim step. i am sure once europe comes along they will have a more complete diffuser. What they hav
: Shock horror.... Someone else crossed off Ferrari & FIA Christmas card list. Parr upsets the Red Team- Seems Domenencali is peeved at Parr's allegatio
: I also read that he said that F1 is losing credibility (which I agree .. too much off track crap going on. I miss the days of actual racing ) and he
: Do you mean the head cheese could be on the Button? If uncertain of meaning direct questions to Graham.
: First practice is complete, here are the times- 1 L. Hamilton McLaren 1:37.334 22 2 J. Button Brawn GP 1:37.450 18 3 R. Barrichello Brawn GP 1:37.566
: Could not agree more, very suspicious. Mount an enquiry into illegal removal of the anchor system at once. Thanks for that info. Quite a change but B
: I'd hazzard a guess and say the McLaren pace is part diffuser, part running light. I guess we will see tomorrow after qualifying when the weights are
: Is this really anything new? We had the FISA/FOCA wars in the 80s. Drivers taking each other out on the same team(prost/senna), schumachers tricks wi
: True, although I do think Mclaren will be faster this weekend. Or at least they might get in to Q3!? Aim for the sky! Sudden
: He he I would think the same. Let's see what they do in qualifying. Yes, and there was even a strike during the South African GP in 1982! Interesting
: are you suggesting the brawn is built from pork jelly? I would have thought pork jelly is much heavier than carbon fibre, but it's flexible aerodynam
: Short memories at Ferrari and their gratitude is not endless either- And as Andrew Davies continues to point out, nice way to talk about someone that
: How nice from Ferrari. It's incredible how people can have short memory.
: Brawn has a new sponsor: MIG Investments:
: I don't like the Brawn car for some reason. I much preferred it as Honda. I will be so o o happy if Hammy wins China!
: I really wonder if Button is heading for his 3rd win this season!
: And that has nothing to do with the fact that Brawn is wiping the floor with Hamilton!? Aim for the sky! Sudden
: No, I never thought of that, really. This is not very kind of him though. Hammy is fantastic. I hope he can keep the title this year and even if he d
: Why not try to adopt him, or clone him. Aim for the sky! Sudden
: I know someone who has one of his boarding passes. We could clone that and commit identity fraud on him........
: The Brawn is certainly very slippery around the course which would be consistent with a high proportion of gelatin once it warms up!
: Temporarily, yes definitely. I would not mind being his second mother all the while during the Monaco Grand Prix. He has a wonderful, very supportive
: Might be a good idea. I am not sure that Anthony H is all that positive an influence. Any Australians find him a bit similar to the dreaded Damir Dok
: He seems smart enough to keep his opinions to himself and hold his composure at races unlike Damir...
: There is no way I will leave him to Kimi's parents. I will adopt him along with Bjorn Borg. That could be a whole lot of fun. Don't worty about Antho
: That actually sounds scary, and I fear Anthony will be ready for the ward when MC is done with him. My poor attempt at how Q3 will end. 1. Button 2.
: A couple of shots have suggested composure might not be 100%??? It is more the pushing that he might be giving and failing to calm matters down. But
: Diffuser wars not over yet. BMW have not yet withdrawn their protest over the legality of the Toyota/Williams/Brawn diffusers saying that they are awa
: I actually think that Vettel will perform really good. He has been quick since the beginning of the season (and the last one)!
: Guys, help me out here ... as I have said many times, I'm not the best follower of pre season F1. Mainly, I look at what team got what driver and lit
: Not an easy question to answer. No one can do anything preseason because what you have on your cars at test days may bear no relation to what appears
: This is just getting stupid. He seemed happy enough to toe the FOTA line a month or so back but now that his team is being whipped by a newcomer team
: Dare one suggest that he is bidding fair to be more pig-headed than Brawn. Quite a feat, given the meaning of Brawn! One thing we do seem to know fro
: Saturday practice results: http://www.formula1.com/results/season/2009/821/6613/
: btw, It's nice to see some solidarity for once; all Italian teams /drivers are remembering the victims of the recent earthquake that took place in Ita
: Glock has a new gearbox, and will get a 5 place grid penalty. Aim for the sky! Sudden
: P1 & 3 for RBR and P2 for Alonso!! Be interesting to see the weights when they are released
: Well done to Vettel, and Flavio can say what he wants about the 30 milj. cause Alonso took P2. Flavio can be very childish now and then. Massa perform
: Really happy for Vettel. Alonso in P2 is quite amazing! Button is in P5 after to poles!
: You're right about the short pit lane memory. Ross Brawn proposed a solution to FOTA which could have prevented this row from ever occuring. The team
: Congratulations to Vettel for his pole position! Mark Webber is third, so the RBs are quick this week-end. Alonso 2nd and Piquet Jr 16th... What can I
: Don't forget that Alonso had the updates which included the diffuser, and Piquet didn't. They flew the updates over with Flavio's private jet, and al
: Ah ok, my bad then But I still consider Piquet as not a good F1 driver
: He does have his moments, but I think he needs time to grow in to it, maybe. I would also think that Alonso is light on fuel. But he does at least ha
: I'm also very happy to see Vettel on pole, he is one of my favourite drivers. Maybe he can win his second race tomorrow. However, I was somewhat surpr
: And he's still complaining about it!
: mmm... Top three cars are pretty light with Alonso only carrying about 32kg of fuel and Vettel/Webber not a lot more http://www.autosport.com/news/rep
: Should be an interesting race, I think the 2 Brawns are still in the driver's seat with at least 15 more kg of fuel each on board and yet they're stil
: Hamilton and Raikkönnen are the heaviest among the top 10. With this in mind, Brawn doesn't have the upper hand that we have seen up until now. But w
: BBC has a great article with Projected First Pit Stop Laps. http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport2/hi/motorsport/formula_one/8005470.stm Down mid-page: 1 Barric
: That wouldn't be too smart would it? I think Alonso is getting a bit carried away: He seems to have forgotten how little fuel he has on board. If he
: whatever ... I hope your'e right about Kimi .... Ferrari need some points for morale if nothing else. All in all, it's been a very interesting Q sess
: I think the Brawns are still comfortably the fastest of the field. IMHO, once the first three have pitted, you should see the 2 Brawn's pull out a ma
: This has nothing to do with Ferrari as a team though, but with Massa. Raikkönen manage to get in to Q3 again today, but Massa is not able to perform
: He didn't have any problem managing that last year did he?
: For the fact that he had a way better car last year, and as soon as the rain came, Massa was gone. But if he now is that good, and Kimi is able to ge
: Well, one race doesn't make a season. He was significantly better than Raikkonen last season, and he still has the same number of points as Raikkonen
: I understand, and that's what I meant sort of I was saying that Massa's performance is not up to what anyone should expect for a Ferrari driver True,
: I'm really disappointed in Flav.. He talks too much - and a lot of it seems to be nonsense. This is just nothing more than a heavyweight temper tantr