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User currently offlineAlessandro From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Posted (5 years 4 months 3 weeks 3 days 6 hours ago) and read 3387 times:

I personally think the KERS team will do better, not because of the track but more experience.

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User currently offlineBill142 From Australia, joined Aug 2004, 8445 posts, RR: 8
Reply 1, posted (5 years 4 months 3 weeks 2 days 12 hours ago) and read 3348 times:

I think the that the KERS teams will do better because China is a good track to use it on. Monaco and Hungary are probably the tracks KERS will be most ineffective on.
Having said that, I expect a strong showing from Brawn, Toyota and BMW Sauber again. Assuming weather doesn't come into play Brawn look pretty hard to beat.


User currently offlineAlessandro From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 2, posted (5 years 4 months 3 weeks 2 days 10 hours ago) and read 3331 times:

Monaco is so hard to overtake, so I reckon KERS can be vital in the tunnel?

User currently offlineMadameConcorde From San Marino, joined Feb 2007, 10893 posts, RR: 37
Reply 3, posted (5 years 4 months 3 weeks 2 days 4 hours ago) and read 3317 times:

Monaco is still a while away. They have not yet started setting up the track or the stands or anything. It will come in due time and once they get started they do work hard at it 24/24.

Chinese GP: what time will it start on UK time? I will be at LHR for the A.net meet with a nice hotel room and I don't want to miss out on the race.

I can do my in-room plane spotting while I keep an eye on the race track at the same time.  airplane   veryhappy 



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User currently offlineLTU932 From Germany, joined Jan 2006, 13864 posts, RR: 50
Reply 4, posted (5 years 4 months 3 weeks 2 days 3 hours ago) and read 3306 times:

It's the China GP already? Shouldn't now come Manama, Bahrain or why the hell did they change schedules?

User currently offlineLegoguy From United Kingdom, joined Jun 2006, 3312 posts, RR: 39
Reply 5, posted (5 years 4 months 3 weeks 2 days ago) and read 3299 times:

Sorry to bring this up;

FIA finally calls McLaren infront of a hearing on 29th April,

http://en.f1-live.com/f1/en/headlines/news/detail/090407182222.shtml

and McLaren accepts,

http://en.f1-live.com/f1/en/headlines/news/detail/090407184349.shtml

Interesting to note that McLaren continued to mislead the FIA during the second meeting in Singapore. One thing I simply don't understand, how were McLaren ever allowed to lie in the first place? Is it not mandatory that the team radio transcripts are heard during the initial investigation after the Australian GP?



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User currently offlineAlessandro From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 6, posted (5 years 4 months 3 weeks 1 day 14 hours ago) and read 3273 times:



Quoting LTU932 (Reply 4):
It's the China GP already? Shouldn't now come Manama, Bahrain or why the hell did they change schedules?

They´ve change most things to this year, so China GP is before Bahrain.


User currently offlineStealthZ From Australia, joined Feb 2005, 5689 posts, RR: 44
Reply 7, posted (5 years 4 months 3 weeks 1 day 9 hours ago) and read 3255 times:
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Luca di Montezemolo is confident that Ferrai can overcome the difficulties faced in the early season.
If/when* the FIA (pick whatever you like for those initials) help out by eliminating McLaren then the Scuderia will have only seven teams to catch up with not eight, should be a walk in the park!

Better not take too many more races to improve though or the task may just prove too daunting.

Cheers

* I fear it is when rather than if, I would think Fascist Max has made up his mind and determined that McLaren will be out of F1 before he relinquishes his dictatorship... er presidency



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User currently offlineBill142 From Australia, joined Aug 2004, 8445 posts, RR: 8
Reply 8, posted (5 years 4 months 2 weeks 4 days 9 hours ago) and read 3166 times:

Max needs to stop listening to the voices inside his head and stand down.

User currently offlineCXB77L From Australia, joined Feb 2009, 2606 posts, RR: 5
Reply 9, posted (5 years 4 months 2 weeks 4 days 7 hours ago) and read 3151 times:
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Quoting Bill142 (Reply 1):
I expect a strong showing from Brawn, Toyota and BMW Sauber again

I think Red Bull and Williams will be up there too. Red Bull have shown that they have the pace to be a consistant points finisher, and I dare say perhaps currently the second best team behind Brawn. I also have no doubt that Williams will be in the points, though a podium might be stretching it.



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User currently offlineWaterpolodan From United States of America, joined Feb 2005, 1649 posts, RR: 5
Reply 10, posted (5 years 4 months 2 weeks 4 days 7 hours ago) and read 3148 times:

The red bull has the qualifying pace, but so far they just haven't had the strategy or consistent race pace of the brawn. I hope they can turn the corner and start competing for wins, though, as I think the car looks really cool, especially from head on, and I like both Webber and Vettel a lot. I think BGP will still be the team to beat this weekend, with another strong showing from Toyota. If Ferrari don't score points in this race, they're in real trouble. Same for Mclaren, though sadly their season will be determined in the FIA's hearings rather than on the track.

User currently offlineBoeing74741R From United Kingdom, joined Apr 2007, 1163 posts, RR: 0
Reply 11, posted (5 years 4 months 2 weeks 4 days 5 hours ago) and read 3145 times:



Quoting Waterpolodan (Reply 10):
Same for Mclaren, though sadly their season will be determined in the FIA's hearings rather than on the track.

Except that it would appear to have been brought on by McLaren themselves.


User currently offlineWaterpolodan From United States of America, joined Feb 2005, 1649 posts, RR: 5
Reply 12, posted (5 years 4 months 2 weeks 3 days 22 hours ago) and read 3117 times:

True, I don't blame anyone but them, but my statement still stands, it is sad that such a great team keeps shooting itself in the foot and that the FIA takes such exception to their actions.

User currently offlineBaroque From Australia, joined Apr 2006, 15380 posts, RR: 59
Reply 13, posted (5 years 4 months 2 weeks 3 days 18 hours ago) and read 3099 times:



Quoting Boeing74741R (Reply 11):
Quoting Waterpolodan (Reply 10):
Same for Mclaren, though sadly their season will be determined in the FIA's hearings rather than on the track.

Except that it would appear to have been brought on by McLaren themselves.

Can I suggest that this discussion is better held at

http://www.airliners.net/aviation-fo...ms/non_aviation/read.main/2065540/

Meanwhile since it IS here, I have yet to learn what it was that McL did wrong on the track in this case. Why should a driver be penalized for what the pit does or does not do? Nobody has answered that - yet! Do we have a complete trace on what other pits were telling their drivers? It probably exists but for some odd reason we don't seem to see it. It would be truly (Trulli) astonishing if something like 36 hours of taped transcripts did not contain something illegal. Let us go completely mad and parse the statements word by word. Cos unless you do, seems like special treatment.


User currently offlineScrubbsYWG From Canada, joined Mar 2007, 1495 posts, RR: 0
Reply 14, posted (5 years 4 months 2 weeks 3 days 10 hours ago) and read 3080 times:



Quoting Baroque (Reply 13):
Meanwhile since it IS here, I have yet to learn what it was that McL did wrong on the track in this case. Why should a driver be penalized for what the pit does or does not do? Nobody has answered that - yet! Do we have a complete trace on what other pits were telling their drivers? It probably exists but for some odd reason we don't seem to see it. It would be truly (Trulli) astonishing if something like 36 hours of taped transcripts did not contain something illegal. Let us go completely mad and parse the statements word by word. Cos unless you do, seems like special treatment.

I dont think mclaren did anything wrong on the track. certainly nothing that would warrant what they are going through right now. Since the second meeting at Malaysia, it has always been what happened in the hours after the race in australia. Mclaren shot themselves in the foot by lying to the stewards.

As for their punishment...i dunno what they will get. They escaped any race bans for the spy scandal which was fairly serious, but in this case they were prepared to throw another competitor under the bus which i think is pretty bad...so who knows.


User currently offlineBlueElephant From United Kingdom, joined Dec 2006, 1813 posts, RR: 6
Reply 15, posted (5 years 4 months 2 weeks 2 days 1 hour ago) and read 3041 times:

Anyone know what's going on with the Diffuser Appeal?

I thought we were to hear of an announcement of that today.


User currently offlineScbriml From United Kingdom, joined Jul 2003, 12490 posts, RR: 46
Reply 16, posted (5 years 4 months 2 weeks 2 days 1 hour ago) and read 3038 times:
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Quoting BlueElephant (Reply 15):
I thought we were to hear of an announcement of that today.

The hearing was today, the judgement was always scheduled to be delivered tomorrow.



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User currently offlineStealthZ From Australia, joined Feb 2005, 5689 posts, RR: 44
Reply 17, posted (5 years 4 months 2 weeks 2 days 1 hour ago) and read 3037 times:
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Quoting BlueElephant (Reply 15):
Anyone know what's going on with the Diffuser Appeal?

From Autosport.... "With the teams now having left for China, a final decision on the case will be announced on Wednesday afternoon. The full findings however, are not expected to be released until later in the week at the earliest."

Cheers



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User currently offlineB747forever From Sweden, joined May 2007, 17064 posts, RR: 10
Reply 18, posted (5 years 4 months 2 weeks 1 day 20 hours ago) and read 3017 times:

Ferrari are looking for a comeback: http://www.formula1.com/news/headlines/2009/4/9171.html


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User currently offlineSudden From Sweden, joined Jul 2001, 4130 posts, RR: 6
Reply 19, posted (5 years 4 months 2 weeks 1 day 13 hours ago) and read 2993 times:



Quoting StealthZ (Reply 17):
a final decision on the case will be announced on Wednesday afternoon

I think both Renault and Ferrari have the new diffuser with them in case the outcome would be that FIA making it legal to use.

It has a substantial influence on the downforce, which saw the teams not running it falling behind in the middle sector of the last GP.

Aim for the sky!
Sudden



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User currently offlineGrahamHill From France, joined Mar 2007, 2820 posts, RR: 2
Reply 20, posted (5 years 4 months 2 weeks 1 day 13 hours ago) and read 2993 times:

Diffusers are in agreement with the rules!

http://en.f1-live.com/f1/en/headlines/news/detail/090415111338.shtml



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User currently offlineBaroque From Australia, joined Apr 2006, 15380 posts, RR: 59
Reply 21, posted (5 years 4 months 2 weeks 1 day 12 hours ago) and read 2986 times:



Quoting GrahamHill (Reply 20):
Diffusers are in agreement with the rules!

http://en.f1-live.com/f1/en/headline...shtml

Phew. Means I do not have to try to understand the physics behind the things!!  angel 


User currently offlineBill142 From Australia, joined Aug 2004, 8445 posts, RR: 8
Reply 22, posted (5 years 4 months 2 weeks 1 day 11 hours ago) and read 2981 times:

I don't think you need to understand physics so much as interpreting technical wording.

User currently offlineBaroque From Australia, joined Apr 2006, 15380 posts, RR: 59
Reply 23, posted (5 years 4 months 2 weeks 1 day 11 hours ago) and read 2975 times:



Quoting Bill142 (Reply 22):
I don't think you need to understand physics so much as interpreting technical wording.

C'mon Bill, you know my facilities about technical wording are completely taken up in a different thread. But I have this lobe that does physics that is a bit at a loose end this week!  angel 

I understand down-force though. It is what is applied to teams that MM does not like.  angel   angel 


User currently offlineSudden From Sweden, joined Jul 2001, 4130 posts, RR: 6
Reply 24, posted (5 years 4 months 2 weeks 1 day 10 hours ago) and read 2965 times:

Quoting GrahamHill (Reply 20):
Diffusers are in agreement with the rules!

So with this in mind I think we will see a different line up this weekend if indeed the other teams brought it.

Just imagine if this would have gone the other way.
Then FIA would have told Brawn GP, Toyota and the rest how bad that was by them to run that diffuser but would have let them keep their points, and then they would kick Mclaren out of F1, even though they have nothing to do with it.  

Anyone else took note of that Alessandro's user name is gone?

Aim for the sky!
Sudden

[Edited 2009-04-15 04:53:43]


When in doubt, flat out!
25 Post contains images EZEIZA : And everyone would be saying that the reason they say its illegal is to help Ferrari   Even if they did bring ot to themselves or not, now let's jus
26 Scbriml : Personally, I don't think so. Some seem to think the diffuser is the only reason Brawn are at the front of the grid and, now that the situation has b
27 Sudden : Nah, for the others to catch up with Brawn will take time, so I sure don't think they will be delegated further back the grid over night. That said,
28 BlueElephant : I read in F1-Live that Renault might actually already have a Diffuser ready and may race it this weekend in China. I think that if they did deem it I
29 StealthZ : Not according to my (admittedly limited) understanding of the rules and the description of the "diffuser gang" interpretations! Having said that I am
30 EZEIZA : agree 100% proving that it's not the international assistance claimed over and over again. If they really did want to help Ferrari, they would have d
31 Sudden : Renault had theirs ready for Malaysia, but never used it as they were waiting the outcome from FIA. Aim for the sky! Sudden
32 BlueElephant : That's exactly my point. If the FIA sided with Ferrari, then there wouldn't be a circus to make money from, because there would be no performers (the
33 Post contains images GrahamHill : I was asking myself the same question. I totally agree. I read an interview of Rory Byrne in a French newspaper and he said that Brawn's diffuser all
34 Post contains links Baroque : Anyone else have trouble with the name of the Brawn team? http://www.practicallyedible.com/edible.nsf/pages/souse Reminds me of WWII, hours of making
35 GrahamHill : It does not mean anything in French
36 Baroque : Wiki France Referred to as fromage de tête, tête pressée, tête fromagée (which translates as "cheesed head") or pâté de tête. So just imagine
37 GrahamHill : I know the French naming, but never heard the English word to refer to this type of food. I learnt something!
38 Scbriml : Exactly. I have read claims that the diffuser is worth between 02. and 0.5s per lap. So plumping for somewhere in the middle of that range still give
39 StealthZ : I could but, I am prepared to admit my access to the detail of the situation is not as great as theirs(I hope) so will defer to conclusions. Cheers
40 Sudden : The diffuser alone is most likely not the only reason why Brawn GP is fast, but don't forget that Mclaren as well as Ferrari are the teams with the b
41 MadameConcorde : Have they started testing in Shanghai yet? Any idea who's doing what?
42 StealthZ : Patience Madame, as I write this just under 17 hrs to P1 Cheers
43 Bill142 : A grand prix weekend always starts on Friday, with Monaco being the only exception.
44 Scbriml : Button has far more than his fair share of detractors. I have a sneaky suspicion he may just have the last laugh.
45 GrahamHill : Renault will install this diffuser on their cars as soon as tomorrow (obviously, they have anticipated the FIA's decision a long time ago). We'll see
46 Post contains links Scbriml : Surprised this hasn't been mentioned yet. Ron Dennis has decided to quit from the F1 side of McLaren. He's given F1 a lot over a long time and deserve
47 MadameConcorde : " target=_blank>http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport1/hi/moto...5.stm I saw this on the F1 news sites Ron Dennis is a fantastic human being. He certainly dese
48 StealthZ : I would think most teams would have been working on an alternate solution at least since the first questions were raised over the Toyota/Williams dif
49 Sudden : Not necessarily as during winter testing you can bolt on more or less what you want on the car, but when it's lined up on the grid for the Oz race it
50 StealthZ : But highly likely, the other teams questioned these diffusers when first seen and opinion(not official) seemed to indicate they were OK so you can be
51 Swissy : No disrespect to his achievement & entertainment he gave to/in F1, however do not believe the "mister nice guy" one bit, I am surprised MB has not cu
52 ScrubbsYWG : While he has been around F1 for a very long time and has had many of the top drivers drive for him as well as win many championships and races, i thi
53 Post contains links BlueElephant : McLaren...and Renault both have New Diffusers this weekend. Interesting to see what happens. http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport2/hi/motorsport/formula_one/80
54 Post contains links Bill142 : And it seems to be working for McLaren who topped the time charts in P1 http://www.autosport.com/news/report.php/id/74515
55 ScrubbsYWG : The new mclaren 'diffuser' is probably just an interim step. i am sure once europe comes along they will have a more complete diffuser. What they hav
56 StealthZ : Shock horror.... Someone else crossed off Ferrari & FIA Christmas card list. Parr upsets the Red Team- Seems Domenencali is peeved at Parr's allegatio
57 Post contains links EZEIZA : I also read that he said that F1 is losing credibility (which I agree .. too much off track crap going on. I miss the days of actual racing ) and he
58 Baroque : Do you mean the head cheese could be on the Button? If uncertain of meaning direct questions to Graham.
59 Waterpolodan : First practice is complete, here are the times- 1 L. Hamilton McLaren 1:37.334 22 2 J. Button Brawn GP 1:37.450 18 3 R. Barrichello Brawn GP 1:37.566
60 Baroque : Could not agree more, very suspicious. Mount an enquiry into illegal removal of the anchor system at once. Thanks for that info. Quite a change but B
61 Bill142 : I'd hazzard a guess and say the McLaren pace is part diffuser, part running light. I guess we will see tomorrow after qualifying when the weights are
62 ScrubbsYWG : Is this really anything new? We had the FISA/FOCA wars in the 80s. Drivers taking each other out on the same team(prost/senna), schumachers tricks wi
63 Sudden : True, although I do think Mclaren will be faster this weekend. Or at least they might get in to Q3!? Aim for the sky! Sudden
64 Post contains links GrahamHill : He he I would think the same. Let's see what they do in qualifying. Yes, and there was even a strike during the South African GP in 1982! Interesting
65 Bill142 : are you suggesting the brawn is built from pork jelly? I would have thought pork jelly is much heavier than carbon fibre, but it's flexible aerodynam
66 StealthZ : Short memories at Ferrari and their gratitude is not endless either- And as Andrew Davies continues to point out, nice way to talk about someone that
67 GrahamHill : How nice from Ferrari. It's incredible how people can have short memory.
68 Post contains links and images GrahamHill : Brawn has a new sponsor: MIG Investments:
69 MadameConcorde : I don't like the Brawn car for some reason. I much preferred it as Honda. I will be so o o happy if Hammy wins China!
70 B747forever : I really wonder if Button is heading for his 3rd win this season!
71 Sudden : And that has nothing to do with the fact that Brawn is wiping the floor with Hamilton!? Aim for the sky! Sudden
72 MadameConcorde : No, I never thought of that, really. This is not very kind of him though. Hammy is fantastic. I hope he can keep the title this year and even if he d
73 Sudden : Why not try to adopt him, or clone him. Aim for the sky! Sudden
74 Bill142 : I know someone who has one of his boarding passes. We could clone that and commit identity fraud on him........
75 Baroque : The Brawn is certainly very slippery around the course which would be consistent with a high proportion of gelatin once it warms up!
76 MadameConcorde : Temporarily, yes definitely. I would not mind being his second mother all the while during the Monaco Grand Prix. He has a wonderful, very supportive
77 Baroque : Might be a good idea. I am not sure that Anthony H is all that positive an influence. Any Australians find him a bit similar to the dreaded Damir Dok
78 Bill142 : He seems smart enough to keep his opinions to himself and hold his composure at races unlike Damir...
79 MadameConcorde : There is no way I will leave him to Kimi's parents. I will adopt him along with Bjorn Borg. That could be a whole lot of fun. Don't worty about Antho
80 Sudden : That actually sounds scary, and I fear Anthony will be ready for the ward when MC is done with him. My poor attempt at how Q3 will end. 1. Button 2.
81 Baroque : A couple of shots have suggested composure might not be 100%??? It is more the pushing that he might be giving and failing to calm matters down. But
82 StealthZ : Diffuser wars not over yet. BMW have not yet withdrawn their protest over the legality of the Toyota/Williams/Brawn diffusers saying that they are awa
83 B747forever : I actually think that Vettel will perform really good. He has been quick since the beginning of the season (and the last one)!
84 EZEIZA : Guys, help me out here ... as I have said many times, I'm not the best follower of pre season F1. Mainly, I look at what team got what driver and lit
85 StealthZ : Not an easy question to answer. No one can do anything preseason because what you have on your cars at test days may bear no relation to what appears
86 StealthZ : This is just getting stupid. He seemed happy enough to toe the FOTA line a month or so back but now that his team is being whipped by a newcomer team
87 Baroque : Dare one suggest that he is bidding fair to be more pig-headed than Brawn. Quite a feat, given the meaning of Brawn! One thing we do seem to know fro
88 Post contains links B747forever : Saturday practice results: http://www.formula1.com/results/season/2009/821/6613/
89 EZEIZA : btw, It's nice to see some solidarity for once; all Italian teams /drivers are remembering the victims of the recent earthquake that took place in Ita
90 Sudden : Glock has a new gearbox, and will get a 5 place grid penalty. Aim for the sky! Sudden
91 StealthZ : P1 & 3 for RBR and P2 for Alonso!! Be interesting to see the weights when they are released
92 Sudden : Well done to Vettel, and Flavio can say what he wants about the 30 milj. cause Alonso took P2. Flavio can be very childish now and then. Massa perform
93 B747forever : Really happy for Vettel. Alonso in P2 is quite amazing! Button is in P5 after to poles!
94 Bill142 : You're right about the short pit lane memory. Ross Brawn proposed a solution to FOTA which could have prevented this row from ever occuring. The team
95 GrahamHill : Congratulations to Vettel for his pole position! Mark Webber is third, so the RBs are quick this week-end. Alonso 2nd and Piquet Jr 16th... What can I
96 Sudden : Don't forget that Alonso had the updates which included the diffuser, and Piquet didn't. They flew the updates over with Flavio's private jet, and al
97 GrahamHill : Ah ok, my bad then But I still consider Piquet as not a good F1 driver
98 Sudden : He does have his moments, but I think he needs time to grow in to it, maybe. I would also think that Alonso is light on fuel. But he does at least ha
99 CXB77L : I'm also very happy to see Vettel on pole, he is one of my favourite drivers. Maybe he can win his second race tomorrow. However, I was somewhat surpr
100 Bill142 : And he's still complaining about it!
101 Post contains links StealthZ : mmm... Top three cars are pretty light with Alonso only carrying about 32kg of fuel and Vettel/Webber not a lot more http://www.autosport.com/news/rep
102 Waterpolodan : Should be an interesting race, I think the 2 Brawns are still in the driver's seat with at least 15 more kg of fuel each on board and yet they're stil
103 Sudden : Hamilton and Raikkönnen are the heaviest among the top 10. With this in mind, Brawn doesn't have the upper hand that we have seen up until now. But w
104 Post contains links BlueElephant : BBC has a great article with Projected First Pit Stop Laps. http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport2/hi/motorsport/formula_one/8005470.stm Down mid-page: 1 Barric
105 Scbriml : That wouldn't be too smart would it? I think Alonso is getting a bit carried away: He seems to have forgotten how little fuel he has on board. If he
106 EZEIZA : whatever ... I hope your'e right about Kimi .... Ferrari need some points for morale if nothing else. All in all, it's been a very interesting Q sess
107 Scbriml : I think the Brawns are still comfortably the fastest of the field. IMHO, once the first three have pitted, you should see the 2 Brawn's pull out a ma
108 Sudden : This has nothing to do with Ferrari as a team though, but with Massa. Raikkönen manage to get in to Q3 again today, but Massa is not able to perform
109 Scbriml : He didn't have any problem managing that last year did he?
110 Sudden : For the fact that he had a way better car last year, and as soon as the rain came, Massa was gone. But if he now is that good, and Kimi is able to ge
111 Scbriml : Well, one race doesn't make a season. He was significantly better than Raikkonen last season, and he still has the same number of points as Raikkonen
112 EZEIZA : I understand, and that's what I meant sort of I was saying that Massa's performance is not up to what anyone should expect for a Ferrari driver True,
113 Cpd : I'm really disappointed in Flav.. He talks too much - and a lot of it seems to be nonsense. This is just nothing more than a heavyweight temper tantr
114 Bill142 : looks like it's raining in China.
115 Baroque : With a safety car start I hope they are listening to all pit channels ALL the time, would not want to make an error would we?
116 Baroque : A couple of safety car laps starts to alter those pit stops???
117 Bill142 : yes.. they'll all be pushed back by a couple of laps.
118 Baroque : What about the passing taking place under the safety car when cars fall off the track? Is Charlie replying to the (so far) four simultaneous question
119 Baroque : Makes a big percentage difference to the Alonso strategy, but is the difference positive or negative - negative you would have to think???
120 Bill142 : Well I think Alonso got his timing right so it's a positive for him.
121 Baroque : That happened seconds after I posted, but it still puts him back in the pack does it not?
122 Baroque : Oh good grief, LH has passed Trulli, convene the court immediately.
123 Bill142 : Looks pretty bad for Alonso and Hamilton spun so no need for the court.
124 BlueElephant : Safety car deployed...neither McLaren or Ferrari have pitted...if they plan this right they won't have to stop again....things got really interesting.
125 Bill142 : McLaren have told hamilton he's fuelled to lap 33.
126 BlueElephant : He's made it passed Kimi who's supposed to come in 2 laps earlier...Things could yet be interesting...as all the three drivers ahead of him still have
127 Baroque : Compared with a predicted 20. Not all a function of safety car, slower speeds?? That is a heck of a change.
128 Bill142 : It could result on him ending up on the podium courtesy of a no doubt, illegal, strategy. Unlike the others he doesn't need to pit again.
129 Bill142 : actually I don't think he will..
130 Tsv : How's the King of Fifth going ...
131 Bill142 : Coming second.
132 BlueElephant : Great Drive for Vettel Congrats to him!...Congrats to the Red Bull Team as well!!! Good load of points for the McLaren team, although it could have be
133 ScrubbsYWG : i have a question about the diffuser protests. the underside of F1 cars are very secretive. I still remember a race where, i think it was schumacher,
134 Tsv : Thanks for that. Looks like I'll have to stay up and way the replay on 10 analogue/free to air.
135 Bill142 : I guess that was at a time when Hamilton was deemed to be the wet weather master. Massa had his fair share of mistakes today as well.
136 ScrubbsYWG : i have a trivia question i would like an answer to(if there is one): Who was the last driver(before today) to have the maiden wins for two different t
137 StealthZ : This is not as easy to answer as it seems, what constitues a team? I think the answer is back in the days when there were teams that used customer ca
138 CXB77L : Wonderful drive from Vettel indeed. He seems to be the new "wet weather master", first in Monza, and now in Shanghai! Vettel is one driver who has a b
139 ScrubbsYWG : yeah, my question is not easy(or even a good one with the history of teams in f1). If you think about it, even vettel's two wins are kind of clouded
140 CXB77L : If the term "team" is to be taken literally, then it is a correct statement to say that Vettel has won his first two races with two different teams.
141 T1210s : Great win for Vettel reminds me of Senna with his one lap qualifying then leaving the rest of the pack for dead in unknown conditions Kimi had a shock
142 ScrubbsYWG : not only that, but they were the first wins for both teams. I would be much more interested in two totally different teams. the gurney ones have been
143 Cpd : Great race for Red Bull, good one also for Brawn (could have been better still). Given the Brawn appears to be very easy on its tyres, it would appear
144 GrahamHill : It's not just him. It's the whole team that is not performing well. No points at all after 3 GPs, that's really worrying now. Anyway, nice race from
145 Baroque : No, they play the Austrian anthem if Webber ever gets to win! (Think Winter Olympics)
146 Tsv : Rithie Ginther in a RA272 won Honda's first GP. 1965 Mexian GP (the last GP for the 1.5 litre formula). Team mate Ronnie Bucknum finished fifth. So y
147 Tsv : Yeah it's a good one isn't it? Alan Jones should have been on that list after giving Shadow it's maiden win at the 1977 Austrian GP as he should have
148 Sudden : Vettel is da shit! In the short time he's been in F1, he has to me become the new rain master. Totally in control threw the whole race with very few s
149 Tsv : Definitely not the last but one of the first of the MODERN GP era (ie since 1950) must go to Fangio. Maserati Italian GP 1953 and Daimler Benz / Merc
150 Tsv : They'll play a specially written anthem titled "The King of Fifth is Dead" (sung to the tune of "God save our August Bank Holiday Island King"). Just
151 EZEIZA : Congrats to Vettel! That is driving under the rain! (please come to Ferarinext year:D) Interesting race, with several things going on mainly because o
152 Post contains links Baroque : http://gorey.com.au/archives/520 Mentioned a lot when Australia played the wrong Spanish anthem.
153 BlueElephant : Vettel no doubt drove fantastically, but I think Hamilton's win last year when he won the Grand Prix by some 68 seconds over second place....I think
154 Post contains links GrahamHill : Ah! http://en.f1-live.com/f1/en/headlines/news/detail/090419163216.shtml
155 Scbriml : Congrats to Vettel. The Red Bull looks to be the pick of the bunch in the wet. In the dry, I think the Brawn is still the best car to be driving. Bahr
156 Post contains links Springbok747 : Long thread..I didn't read the whole thing so apologies if this has already been answered. What happened to Massa? I read somewhere that there was wat
157 LTU932 : Yes, he did perform well, and even outdid his victory in Monza. Why? Because he got the pole, through a very risky strategy (although they were force
158 B747forever : Vettel is just amazing. He is a great driver and I am happy for his second win. I dont know what to think of Ferrari anymore. I am just speechless. 3r
159 Bill142 : Abandon all faith in them. Clearly they have let you down I think it depends which country the teams racing licence is issued by. Renault is based in
160 GrahamHill : Engines are made in France, though.
161 Scbriml : So based on previous claims that their battle for the title last year is costing them this year, are we to assume that Ferrari can now only realistic
162 StealthZ : .. or perhaps is success for the Scuderia a cyclical phenomena and we are seeing a downward trend that may take 21 years to finally reverse like the
163 Jush : Nope he is real talent. Lewis Hamilton just happened to have a little talent with a very good care teh last two seasons. Sit Lewis in a Red Bull or l
164 BlueElephant : THIS.... Compromises...THIS. (not to mention you're German..and your username is no longer valid?) P.S. please also note that given the car he has th
165 Sudden : Nobody has a user name anymore as there is a problem with the site. I do however agree a bit that Vettel took his maiden win in a car that was not su
166 CXB77L : Exactly. Hamilton has had two different teammates and beat them both, one of whom was a double world champion. It doesn't matter what car you drive,
167 EZEIZA : I disagree. You need a brilliant team to win the champioship and a decent driver. Look at Irvine, he almost made it, but that was because of the team
168 Scbriml : I would imagine, even for a very good driver, driving in extreme wet in a car that clearly lacks downforce is a bit of a challenge. As I said earlier
169 EZEIZA : True, but I didn't expect him to make the amount of mistakes he made. I would have expected that amount for Massa (given the 2008 performances), but
170 Scbriml : Yes, until his car let him down, he was easily better than Raikkonen.
171 Baroque : On the equal opportunity principle, surely the electrical problem would have been Massa's fault - no?
172 Bill142 : Goodbye see you on msn. And 2009. Massa drove of the road at least once that I can remember shortly before his car gave up. Lewis certainly hasn't pr
173 Sudden : Also not cause after my lady "spoke" to you the other day she banned me from chatting with you as you apparently have a bad influence on me with all
174 Bill142 : Could also be because I told he to attach some wheels to herself so you'd pay her more attention!
175 Sudden : LOL! Way to go! Aim for the sky! Sudden
176 Post contains links BlueElephant : Blii, Sudden...is there something you'd like to share with your F1 Friends? :-P Discussion continued in Bahrain GP thread. http://www.airliners.net/av
177 Sudden : My lady was on my laptop and started to talk to Bill on MSN the other day while I was out polishing the car. That's where the: Just a bit of a laugh.
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