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Illegal Immigration Vs The Census  
User currently offlineANCFlyer From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Posted (5 years 8 months 3 weeks 4 days 19 hours ago) and read 2241 times:

http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2009...tion-raids-ensure-accurate-census/

Seems we're going to try to stop enforcing Illegal Immigration laws so the Census folks can get a few more bodies counted.

Now I see why Obama pulled the Census under the White House wing . . . .

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User currently offlineAaron747 From Japan, joined Aug 2003, 8299 posts, RR: 26
Reply 1, posted (5 years 8 months 3 weeks 4 days 17 hours ago) and read 2211 times:



Quoting ANCFlyer (Thread starter):
Now I see why Obama pulled the Census under the White House wing . . . .

No kidding - this has potential for the greatest exercise in gerrymandering since the 1960s. It's outrageous, it's an affront to rule of law in its most basic form, and everyone should start demanding that this get killed - NOW.



If you need someone to blame / throw a rock in the air / you'll hit someone guilty
User currently offlineBN747 From United States of America, joined Mar 2002, 5620 posts, RR: 51
Reply 2, posted (5 years 8 months 3 weeks 3 days 16 hours ago) and read 2116 times:

Quoting Aaron747 (Reply 1):
No kidding - this has potential for the greatest exercise in gerrymandering since the 1960s. It's outrageous, it's an affront to rule of law in its most basic form, and everyone should start demanding that this get killed - NOW.

Oh please spare me the drama, these raids have been racist from the start! I know you're not Japanese, but your affinity for the people and the culture is no great secret..if people of Japanese ancestry were hunted down like latinos here...you'd be the 1st all over the map crying fowl. I've met/known so many people that are living here illegally it isn't funny! Canucks, Aussies, Kiwis, Chinese, Thais, Japanese, Latinos, every type of Euro you can imagine. And to single these people out with these stupid racist raids makes my skin crawl.

The sight I'll never forget nearly some two years ago was of two Immigration officers in full gear struting down Sunset Blvd. This really pissed me off because the last thing we need in a free America is uniformed officers of every persuasion crawling all over public streets. Before that I'd that I'd seen two full dressed Marine recruiters cruising down Beverly Drive in Beverly Hills (this was the peak the of the Iraq Invasion mind you)...it appeared these guys thought they'd get that 'thanks for serving our country' pat-on-the-back stuff they were getting everywhere at the height of the conflict...well it didn't play out that way here that day....as this was the bastion of anti-war fervor and a very anti-Bush area. I don't know what they were thinking..but after a barrage of icy stares..they jumped in their cars and get the hell outta here. Today, they could return and lunch would probably be on the house...the point is no one likes militarism or such images forced down their throats .. esp. when they can see the motivation behind it is bogus and false. That's where this whole immigration BS ticks me off...it's racist and we can do a better job at enforcing illegal immigration if chose to do so.

These raids need to end permanently!

BN747

[Edited 2009-04-08 02:49:15]


"Home of the Brave, made by the Slaves..Land of the Free, if you look like me.." T. Jefferson
User currently offlineAaron747 From Japan, joined Aug 2003, 8299 posts, RR: 26
Reply 3, posted (5 years 8 months 3 weeks 3 days 15 hours ago) and read 2105 times:



Quoting BN747 (Reply 2):
That's where this whole immigration BS ticks me off...it's racist and we can do a better job at enforcing illegal immigration if chose to do so.

Raids are a better way of enforcing it for the illegal people already in the country - especially when they target exploitative employers. There's nothing racist about it - have you even looked at the majority of Border Patrol staff and ICE team members? Invariably Latino and Asian Americans are well represented on their staffs...don't give me that racist charge. My maternal grandparents are Mexican Americans and they don't pull out the racist charge either.

Quoting BN747 (Reply 2):
I know you're not Japanese, but your affinity for the people and the culture is no great secret..if people of Japanese ancestry were hunted down like latinos here...you'd be the 1st all over the map crying fowl.

Nonsense - I've met Japanese in LA overstaying student visas and gave them terse words about what they were doing. My wife's friend stayed over a year after her stint at Santa Monica College to "study English" ended, when she was actually just waiting till her American boyfriend proposed to her rather than leaving and risk ending it. Either way we told her it was dumb and illegal. My wife refused to report her but as a legal immigrant to Japan I wouldn't hestitate to report someone staying here illegally if I could verify it - why should they get a free ride when I had to satisfy the residency requirements, join the national healthcare system and pay taxes like everyone else?



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User currently offlineBN747 From United States of America, joined Mar 2002, 5620 posts, RR: 51
Reply 4, posted (5 years 8 months 3 weeks 3 days 14 hours ago) and read 2092 times:



Quoting Aaron747 (Reply 3):

Raids are a better way of enforcing it for the illegal people already in the country - especially when they target exploitative employers. There's nothing racist about it - have you even looked at the majority of Border Patrol staff and ICE team members? Invariably Latino and Asian Americans are well represented on their staffs...don't give me that racist charge. My maternal grandparents are Mexican Americans and they don't pull out the racist charge either.

The employing of 'one of them' to track 'them' ...and you think that tactic is new? Some slave owners use to have 'blacks' whip other black slaves so they could sleep easier at night. The practice of 'them policing them' is old as sand and racism at it's most clever.

Because those people have to eat, they have families to feed, it's a job. And no matter how much you justify it as 'it's against the law..those same enforcers end up hating themselves what they've done when look back and take an accounting of their contributions. But good to see you buying into the theory and practice.

Quoting Aaron747 (Reply 3):
Nonsense - I've met Japanese in LA overstaying student visas and gave them terse words about what they were doing. My wife's friend stayed over a year after her stint at Santa Monica College to "study English" ended, when she was actually just waiting till her American boyfriend proposed to her rather than leaving and risk ending it. Either way we told her it was dumb and illegal. My wife refused to report her but as a legal immigrant to Japan I wouldn't hestitate to report someone staying here illegally if I could verify it -

Most telling phrase...

Quoting Aaron747 (Reply 3):
My wife refused to report her but as a legal immigrant to Japan I wouldn't hestitate to report someone

My hat off to your wife, she's a pair made of steel and very attuned to the unequaled practice of enforcement. Your position..I can only shake my head in disgust...not because of so willing to rat someone out..but because of being someone who appears quite worldly, you so eagerly believe the 'illegality BS' con job being sold to the American people as an issue.

Why I don't fall for Joe Average getting all caught up in the whole 'immigration' thing? ...because they're being played like 1st rate chumps. I've seen so many wealthy foreigners leap frog over the slanted immigration rules because they have the financial might to do so..while typical immigrant must to jump thru hellish hoops just get a chance. And if you don't thing your average Congressman isn't aware of this..you're missing the boat by universal mile. Your wife understands something very basic that you clearly do not or have forgotten completely... and that is people without much 'want to better their situation', they are willing to risk it all in pursuit of it. They also know the laws you boast about .. are unjust and see others getting around it left and right. They're seen people encounter crooked immigration officials or taken for a ride by crooked immigration lawyers..they know what you preach about written in black & white omits the true stories seen in real life.

It's like the Saigon evacuation situation...you're in line with your family waiting..orderly. You know time is running out. A few other choppers land.. do you..

A) Stay put ' family, just be patient and wait....our turn will come.

B) Break the line, snatch up your family and race like hell to be 1st in line for the nearest chopper.

..you come off as Candidate A - all the way.

For many illegals knowing 'no real future' awaits them at home, and their financial resources are very limited...they can do the math...and count the choppers. Time is ticking. There but for the grace of god go I.


BN747



"Home of the Brave, made by the Slaves..Land of the Free, if you look like me.." T. Jefferson
User currently offlineN867DA From United States of America, joined May 2008, 1012 posts, RR: 0
Reply 5, posted (5 years 8 months 3 weeks 3 days 14 hours ago) and read 2089 times:

Can we ask the police to stop handing out speeding tickets for the three months before my auto insurance renews? I think that's the best way to ensure an accurate portrayal of my driving.  Yeah sure

This is just ridiculous.



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User currently offlineDXing From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 6, posted (5 years 8 months 3 weeks 3 days 12 hours ago) and read 2065 times:



Quoting BN747 (Reply 2):
Oh please spare me the drama, these raids have been racist from the start!

??? How is a raid intended to pick off illegals racist if the vast majority of the illegals are latino? Are there thousands of Tongans swimming across the ocean to get here that we don't know about?

Quoting BN747 (Reply 2):
These raids need to end permanently!

In other words we should not enforce the law. Well then I can certainly understand why you would have the position that they should be included in census.

As for myself, if you can't prove you are a citizen then you have no right to be counted, to vote, or to be taxed. If you are an alien and can't prove you are here legally at the drop of a hat, you get a free ride to the nearest border. I find it is my responsibility to have my passport with appropriate visa or immigration stamp on me at all times when I am travelling abroad.


User currently offlineBN747 From United States of America, joined Mar 2002, 5620 posts, RR: 51
Reply 7, posted (5 years 8 months 3 weeks 3 days 12 hours ago) and read 2065 times:



Quoting N867DA (Reply 5):
Can we ask the police to stop handing out speeding tickets for the three months before my auto insurance renews? I think that's the best way to ensure an accurate portrayal of my driving. Yeah sure

This is just ridiculous.

Perhaps, but while the cops are ticketing you... do you think no one else is going to speed, make illegal U turns and run red lights? We do it ...because we tell ourselves..'Who is gonna know? Who is it gonna hurt?"... that is until we get caught.

BN747



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User currently offlineSlider From United States of America, joined Feb 2004, 6924 posts, RR: 34
Reply 8, posted (5 years 8 months 3 weeks 3 days 7 hours ago) and read 2026 times:

Impeachment proceedings should commence immediately. This is another flagrant violation of the US Constitution, plain and simple. It’s one of the very few enumerated and specified provisions of the Constitution and has been and is being deliberately torn asunder. The Census is now another political tool to be exploited by the party in power for the purpose of growing Federal government, further entrenching themselves in power, and stealing liberty.

Quoting BN747 (Reply 2):
Oh please spare me the drama, these raids have been racist from the start!

Erroneous. Nice strawman attempt though. I’m not going to insult your intelligence by suggesting you believe what you just said. Considering the overwhelming majority of illegals are in fact of a different race and don’t assimilate, naturally they stand out and therefore absolutely should be rounded up.


User currently offlineMham001 From United States of America, joined Feb 2005, 3731 posts, RR: 3
Reply 9, posted (5 years 8 months 3 weeks 3 days 7 hours ago) and read 2017 times:

We wouldn't need raids if the ACLU and immigrant rights groups didn't have the instant verification program tied up in court.

User currently offlineSv7887 From United States of America, joined May 2008, 1025 posts, RR: 0
Reply 10, posted (5 years 8 months 3 weeks 3 days 6 hours ago) and read 2008 times:



Quoting BN747 (Reply 4):
I can only shake my head in disgust...not because of so willing to rat someone out..but because of being someone who appears quite worldly, you so eagerly believe the 'illegality BS' con job being sold to the American people as an issue

Here's some facts on the matter:

When the meatpacking plants were raised, those illegal workers were replaced with Americans and for higher wages. Not so bad isn't it?

Source:http://www.columbustelegram.com/articles/2006/12/20/news/news3raid.txt

"At the four facilities for which we were able to obtain information, wages and bonuses rose on average 8 percent with the departure of illegal immigrants."

Kammer says that Swift used pay increases and signing bonuses to staff the plants after the raids, but bringing up wages wouldn't necessarily correlate to a hike in consumer prices."

http://thehill.com/leading-the-news/...-immigration-raids-2009-03-18.html

So to recap: Illegal immigrants were kicked out and replaced with Americans at higher wages? Oh such a bad thing....

Quoting BN747 (Reply 2):
Oh please spare me the drama, these raids have been racist from the start!

Ah, the race card once again...Tell them to get in line like my parents and brother in law did.

Quoting BN747 (Reply 4):
Because those people have to eat, they have families to feed, it's a job. And no matter how much you justify it as 'it's against the law..those same enforcers end up hating themselves what they've done when look back and take an accounting of their contributions. But good to see you buying into the theory and practice.

These people damn well know what they are doing and the risks associated with it. It's a direct insult to the millions of LEGAL immigrants like my family who waited in line. My dad could have played the same games to get into the UK but he didn't. He waited his turn, got a student visa and actually EARNED his right to stay in the UK.

But what that requires actually learning the language, studying. and working hard? Oops..You want to work in the best country in the world? You damn well earn that right...We sure did...


User currently offlineN867DA From United States of America, joined May 2008, 1012 posts, RR: 0
Reply 11, posted (5 years 8 months 3 weeks 3 days 4 hours ago) and read 1988 times:



Quoting Slider (Reply 8):
Impeachment proceedings should commence immediately.

Why? It sounds like something that was done in 2000 under Clinton and 1990 under Bush Sr. I don't think they faced such scrutiny.

Quoting BN747 (Reply 7):
Perhaps, but while the cops are ticketing you... do you think no one else is going to speed, make illegal U turns and run red lights? We do it ...because we tell ourselves..'Who is gonna know? Who is it gonna hurt?"... that is until we get caught.

And if I am caught, I pay the fine and follow the law. Jumping the border and protesting for amnesty is like asking the police to let me break laws I don't like. Sorry, but it just doesn't work that way.

As a person born in a country with widespread poverty, I understand the reasons why some people try to come into this country illegally. But that doesn't make it right.



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User currently offlineUAL747 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 12, posted (5 years 8 months 3 weeks 3 days 3 hours ago) and read 1958 times:

I think some people are thinking that this is a Democrat win situation and a Republican loose situation, when in fact, it is not. Most of the states that would gain seats if immigration raids were stopped would be red states, and about twice as many blue states would lose seats.

UAL


User currently offlineBN747 From United States of America, joined Mar 2002, 5620 posts, RR: 51
Reply 13, posted (5 years 8 months 3 weeks 3 days ago) and read 1922 times:



Quoting N867DA (Reply 11):
Quoting Slider (Reply 8):
Impeachment proceedings should commence immediately.

Why? It sounds like something that was done in 2000 under Clinton and 1990 under Bush Sr. I don't think they faced such scrutiny

Easy, that's because it's Obama in the chair and not Clinton or Bush.

Quoting N867DA (Reply 11):

And if I am caught, I pay the fine and follow the law. Jumping the border and protesting for amnesty is like asking the police to let me break laws I don't like. Sorry, but it just doesn't work that way.

You have never tried to wiggle out of a ticket? I must say, I'm batting at .500 in that department..and that's at the infraction..not going that to court to fight it crap.

But many of us don't 'follow the law' after that...we go right back to doing it again...

Quoting N867DA (Reply 11):

As a person born in a country with widespread poverty, I understand the reasons why some people try to come into this country illegally. But that doesn't make it right.

Very true, and agreed. And I'm glad you've a little more understanding as to 'why' versus the red-meaters who don't.

No it doesn't make it right, I must say..were it me, I'd have to say I'd be lying if I said 'I wouldn't try it'. Again, there but for the grace of god go I.

BN747



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User currently offlineWarRI1 From United States of America, joined Sep 2007, 9294 posts, RR: 12
Reply 14, posted (5 years 8 months 3 weeks 2 days 23 hours ago) and read 1903 times:



Quoting Mham001 (Reply 9):
We wouldn't need raids if the ACLU and immigrant rights groups didn't have the instant verification program tied up in court.

The ACLU was just handed a setback in Rhode Island in court. Our governor issued an order in the last year ordering all vendors doing business with the state to use E-Verify, this after we had illegal immigrants cleaning our courts and state buildings and copying documents at night. The ACLU of course disagreed and challenged it in court. They were overuled by the court, of course they vow to appeal. I say, kick them to hell out, if they came here illegally. Cheap Labor, once again.



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User currently offlineN328KF From United States of America, joined May 2004, 6491 posts, RR: 3
Reply 15, posted (5 years 8 months 3 weeks 2 days 23 hours ago) and read 1891 times:



Quoting BN747 (Reply 4):
My hat off to your wife, she's a pair made of steel and very attuned to the unequaled practice of enforcement. Your position..I can only shake my head in disgust...not because of so willing to rat someone out..but because of being someone who appears quite worldly, you so eagerly believe the 'illegality BS' con job being sold to the American people as an issue.

I want you to understand something, and I want you to get it into your skull, as hard as it might be.

You do not have to be racist and/or white to have a beef with illegal immigrants.

Many legal immigrants have a serious problem with illegals because they basically short-cutted the system and are trying to enjoy benefits without signing the guestbook on the way in. This is not a race thing. Legal immigrants are proud to have done everything properly and this issue incenses us. I don't care if the person is Mexican, African, Russian, or Canadian. They have to come in the right way or go back. Period.



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User currently offlineLAXintl From United States of America, joined May 2000, 26170 posts, RR: 50
Reply 16, posted (5 years 8 months 3 weeks 2 days 23 hours ago) and read 1892 times:

Legal or not, its critical these folks get counted as otherwise cities and States stand to loose large sums on money.

In Los Angeles City for instance, it was estimated the 2000 Census under count has cost the City loss of $200 million in the last decade in various funding, and has launched a campaign featuring celebrities to encourage full participation.

The people are here, and government is providing services from roads, to medical services so they might as well be properly reimbursed.



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User currently offlineWarRI1 From United States of America, joined Sep 2007, 9294 posts, RR: 12
Reply 17, posted (5 years 8 months 3 weeks 2 days 22 hours ago) and read 1887 times:



Quoting LAXintl (Reply 16):
Legal or not, its critical these folks get counted as otherwise cities and States stand to loose large sums on money.

Maybe if the cities and states did not get re-imbursed, they would throw them out like they should have in the beginning. I was just out in LA, I thought I was in a third world country. Too dam bad for sanctuary cities. Enforce existing law, never mind trying to make money on illegals.



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User currently offlineWarRI1 From United States of America, joined Sep 2007, 9294 posts, RR: 12
Reply 18, posted (5 years 8 months 3 weeks 2 days 22 hours ago) and read 1886 times:



Quoting N328KF (Reply 15):
want you to understand something, and I want you to get it into your skull, as hard as it might be.

You do not have to be racist and/or white to have a beef with illegal immigrants.

 checkmark   checkmark 


I'll second that, these folks are always playing the race card.



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User currently offlineBN747 From United States of America, joined Mar 2002, 5620 posts, RR: 51
Reply 19, posted (5 years 8 months 3 weeks 2 days 17 hours ago) and read 1859 times:



Quoting N328KF (Reply 15):

You do not have to be racist and/or white to have a beef with illegal immigrants.

I never said that you had to be...

Quoting N328KF (Reply 15):
I want you to understand something, and I want you to get it into your skull, as hard as it might be.

Many legal immigrants have a serious problem with illegals because they basically short-cutted the system and are trying to enjoy benefits without signing the guestbook on the way in. This is not a race thing. Legal immigrants are proud to have done everything properly and this issue incenses us. I don't care if the person is Mexican, African, Russian, or Canadian. They have to come in the right way or go back. Period.

Now here's something for your thick skull called facts. Many wealthy people are circumventing the very same system by buying their way into legal status. It shouldn't be for sale. You're not griping about that..so you must approve of it. Immigrations raids should include rustling up white taxi drivers,hotel doormen/staff, bartenders, waiters who could illegally here from anywhere to Canada, New Zealand to Romania and France (I've met plenty)...but that isn't being done. It is the brown poor ones and them alone being harrassed by this one-sided racist behavior and like it or not..you're being played politically into supporting it whether you want to recognize that or not.

Quoting WarRI1 (Reply 18):
I'll second that, these folks are always playing the race card.



Quoting Sv7887 (Reply 10):
Ah, the race card once again.

And i'm just curious, do either of you experts have any idea when "the race card"
should be played.

BN747



"Home of the Brave, made by the Slaves..Land of the Free, if you look like me.." T. Jefferson
User currently offlineAGM100 From United States of America, joined Dec 2003, 5407 posts, RR: 17
Reply 20, posted (5 years 8 months 3 weeks 2 days 9 hours ago) and read 1814 times:



Quoting ANCFlyer (Thread starter):
Census folks

ACORN .... Already openly exposed as fraudulent and totally fixed left wing activist group... is now going to be counting people ? How convenient ... how sweetly convenient . How can this happen ?? How can a operative group so tied to President Obama ... and so exposed for voter registration fraud even be considered for the program ? Not to mention the census being organized from the executive branch for the first time ever . Amazing , just amazing.

http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2009...akers-concerned-role-acorn-census/

The attention of ACORN and Al Sharp ton have now been directed to our state ( Az). Of course it is all about Red State operations. The DNC with ACORN are actively attempting to re write the political maps in the US . Now with ACORN making up the census (like voter reg) you can see how this will happen. But first ...they must get all of the illegals hiding out in Phoenix to jump on there side. Thus , they are going head to head with Sheriff Joe Arpaio .. the one person illegal aliens fear the most ... in the entire USA to be honest. Sheriff Joe will lose sadly... the mayor of Phoenix is nothing more than a operative for the left agenda and has openly lobbied for total amnesty.

Ya better pay attention to this ... but of course we are powerless to stop is now.



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User currently offlineSlider From United States of America, joined Feb 2004, 6924 posts, RR: 34
Reply 21, posted (5 years 8 months 3 weeks 2 days 8 hours ago) and read 1805 times:



Quoting BN747 (Reply 13):
Easy, that's because it's Obama in the chair and not Clinton or Bush.

I’m on record as supporting the Constitution no matter the occupant of 1600. This is quite clear and established.

One must acknowledge, however, that this play for census control is far beyond what Clinton or Bush did.


User currently offlineMt99 From United States of America, joined May 1999, 6678 posts, RR: 6
Reply 22, posted (5 years 8 months 3 weeks 2 days 8 hours ago) and read 1800 times:
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Quoting AGM100 (Reply 20):
Ya better pay attention to this ... but of course we are powerless to stop is now.

So.. which country will you moving too? Canada was a popular destination in the Bush years...



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User currently offlineYellowstone From United States of America, joined Aug 2006, 3071 posts, RR: 4
Reply 23, posted (5 years 8 months 3 weeks 2 days 8 hours ago) and read 1800 times:

I find it odd that people are complaining about the Obama administration trying to do their job properly. The 14th Amendment reads,

Quote:
Representatives shall be apportioned among the several States according to their respective numbers, counting the whole number of persons in each State, excluding Indians not taxed.

It's the administration's job to try to get the most accurate possible count of the number of "whole persons" in each state, which includes illegal aliens. I think (and I'm guessing several of you would agree with me) that apportionment should be based on legal residents, but that's not what the Constitution says. Until someone amends it, the administration has to count illegal aliens, and a temporary reprieve on immigration raids will help with that effort.



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User currently offlineAGM100 From United States of America, joined Dec 2003, 5407 posts, RR: 17
Reply 24, posted (5 years 8 months 3 weeks 2 days 7 hours ago) and read 1792 times:



Quoting Mt99 (Reply 22):
So.. which country will you moving too? Canada was a popular destination in the Bush years...

Popular for Baldwin ,Suranden and her husband ..none of them had the nads to do it though .. ! No I will fight and die right here thanks .

Quoting Yellowstone (Reply 23):
It's the administration's job to try to get the most accurate possible count of the number of "whole persons

No argument there ... but if you can not see a side track plan here then I don't know what to say. Basically we have operatives for a political party , working to swell there voter ranks by including illegal immigrants as well as possibly plain old fraudulent counting ACORN style. As much as you may despise the other side ..we still need each other. If we end up with one all powerful party then none of us are served well.



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25 Santosdumont : Just curious as to where the outrage is -- if any -- over the estimated 30,000 undocumented Irish living in New York City alone. (see the 8 April 2007
26 AGM100 : Making it a race issue is self defeating and dangerous . It will only create resentment if and when the illegals are all granted amnesty . My positio
27 Mt99 : You are fair man. Now, can you say that your position is shared by everyone?
28 Santosdumont : Ultimately, I think it's human nature. If you were an adviser to (then) Senator Clinton, would you have pushed for her to support "Legalizing the Iri
29 AGM100 : I wish it was Mt ... unfortunately the left wing and pro amnesty crowd use racism as the weapon to soften our law enforcement . Look at that blow har
30 Santosdumont : Just for the sake of argument, if a friend of yours was an Irish national who was in the country illegally and you knew where other undocumented Iris
31 Mt99 : All the examples you quote are only one extreme. How about looking up some examples on the other extreme?
32 BN747 : Thank you so much for that post..and that's just a tip of the iceberg. No one one arguing against me here is going to try and tackle that one with a
33 WarRI1 : I can only speak for myself, I have nephews and nieces with a Cuban heritage. I think of them exactly like all my other neices and nephews, I lived w
34 AGM100 : Yes , But I would be man enough to talk to them first and let them know that they need to clear it up. Whats the deal with Irish ? ... I said I dont
35 BN747 : Thanks for your answer to that difficult question, but the having these people as relatives is only the 1st step in understanding 'their race issues'
36 AGM100 : OK , So I want to move to Australia .. I catch a flight and enter the country on a 7 day tourist visa. Then I just decide to stay .... I like it ther
37 Santosdumont : Would you extend that same courtesy to somebody who happened to be "Messican"?
38 AvObserver : No matter what ethnic group is involved, immigration laws must be enforced. I don't care if the illegals happen to be blond, blue-eyed 36DD Swedish ba
39 AGM100 : Racist ! Good post , Of course , why wouldn't I ? I am assuming you are talking about Mexican nationals . Living here in the US illegally , ? Yes I w
40 Dreadnought : What do you have to offer as an alternative? Landmines on the border? machine-gun nests? A 15-foot electrified and brightly-lit and monitored fence a
41 AvObserver : Immigration enforcement ISN'T racist; that's just more demagogery the Open Borders crowd uses to undermine enforcement. I agree we need to better tar
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