Auswnfan From United States of America, joined Nov 2001, 114 posts, RR: 0 Posted (10 years 1 month 3 weeks 3 days 4 hours ago) and read 1032 times:
Johan is obviously getting frustrated over all the flaming, baiting, and otherwise immature activities going on in this forum. Is it time to do away with the non-aviation forum?
or
Should there be a moratorium on Middle-East/terrorism/9-11 related topics since these seam to draw the most fire?
RealHigh From United States of America, joined Jul 2000, 1022 posts, RR: 19 Reply 3, posted (10 years 1 month 3 weeks 3 days 4 hours ago) and read 1003 times:
Johan is obviously getting frustrated over all the flaming, baiting, and otherwise immature activities going on in this forum.
PUnmuth@VIE From Austria, joined Aug 2000, 4161 posts, RR: 59 Reply 4, posted (10 years 1 month 3 weeks 3 days 4 hours ago) and read 991 times:
Yes I think it is time for the Non Av to go.
It has nothing to do with the main purpose of the site and i bet there are thousands other forums in the Internet where e all could discuss about those topics.
Peter
RealHigh From United States of America, joined Jul 2000, 1022 posts, RR: 19 Reply 5, posted (10 years 1 month 3 weeks 3 days 3 hours ago) and read 983 times:
No I think it should stay.
It's fun to talk to other fellow aviation fans about other things. Some of the topics here ARE valid. Just get rid of those who spend all day in the forums starting fights with other users they know who they are .
PUnmuth@VIE, had it not been for the Non-Aviation threads, I wouldn't know what you looked like!
I remember your photo at the Golden Gate Bridge.
Let's hang out next time you come to SFO.
Heavymetal From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR: Reply 7, posted (10 years 1 month 3 weeks 3 days 3 hours ago) and read 958 times:
I agree with Rogue.
I purposely avoid any thread now with 'Israel' or 'Palestinian' in the title. Honest debate on those issues has turned into petty, malicious sportbitching. If those people want to stew in their own rage, let 'em.
Keep Non-Av the proverbial "free speech street corner" it is.
Sonic From Lithuania, joined Jan 2000, 1669 posts, RR: 1 Reply 8, posted (10 years 1 month 3 weeks 3 days 3 hours ago) and read 956 times:
RealHigh, congrats with 900th post
RogueTrader, I would agree with you, but World Politics forum should have at least 10 modderators. All bash posts (like "kill those palestinians", just US flags, "Israel must be executed from land their occupied!!!", "Jews, go back to your countries where you ansestors lived before WW2") would be deleted, only clever ones, with explained opinion, would remain. This is the only way I could think of controlling world politics threads, because they ussually get's out of hand just after 1 insulting.
4holer From United States of America, joined Feb 2002, 2708 posts, RR: 12 Reply 9, posted (10 years 1 month 3 weeks 3 days 3 hours ago) and read 956 times:
That's a toughie!!
Of course I'm frustrated with the posts here. They go beyond "poor quality" into annoying, stupid, and even infuriating. It has been an incubator for bad forum habits, poor manners, and animosity between members. I am starting to believe that it is more trouble for Johan than it is worth. I would hate to see him get so frustrated with non-av that he bailed on the whole site.
That said...
I remember when Johan first started non-av. It was to try to get the crap posts out of the Civil av forum. To some extent it has done that. With my original nickname (before I got frustrated with the quality and deleted myself), I leaned heavily on the Civil side and took an approach to non-av like I do with Jerry Springer: I may look in for a little bit, but never stay around for long. When I thought about it, and re-joined A.net as 4holer, I spent more time in non-av. There's some amusing stuff here, and I've posted almost as much in my short time as 4holer than I did in 2 years with my older nick.
I guess as much as I like it and/or see its usefulness. I would certainly understand if Johan decided to re-focus on aviation. However, that would also affect the number of folks who would be willing to pay for First Class Memberships.
FrequentFlyKid From United States of America, joined Nov 2001, 1194 posts, RR: 1 Reply 10, posted (10 years 1 month 3 weeks 3 days 2 hours ago) and read 938 times:
If you take it away then all the stuff people bitch about will end up in the Civl Aviation forum. The exact reason for the creation of this forum!
Dash80 From United States of America, joined Nov 2000, 187 posts, RR: 0 Reply 13, posted (10 years 1 month 3 weeks 3 days 2 hours ago) and read 895 times:
I believe it's time for Johan to implement the dedicated moderators.
Go Canada! From United Kingdom, joined Jun 2001, 2955 posts, RR: 14 Reply 14, posted (10 years 1 month 3 weeks 3 days 1 hour ago) and read 888 times:
providing people dont insult each other than we must keep non-aviation as a method of free speech, we cannot continue with people asking johan to delete loads of posts because they dont like the view.
they should counteract that view with the facts and not result to name calling.
regards
go air canada!
It is amazing what can be accomplised when nobody takes the credit
RogueTrader From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR: Reply 15, posted (10 years 1 month 3 weeks 3 days 1 hour ago) and read 883 times:
we cannot continue with people asking johan to delete loads of posts because they dont like the view
Go Canada! is right. (this topic only, though)
That deletion button should be severely restricted. Like, everyone gets 1 deletion request per year, and even then your subject to review if you ask for it to be deleted.
OR, no restrictions on hitting the delete button, but if you hit it and the topic is OK, then the person who hits it gets deleted.
Sonic From Lithuania, joined Jan 2000, 1669 posts, RR: 1 Reply 16, posted (10 years 1 month 3 weeks 3 days 1 hour ago) and read 877 times:
Definately disagree RogueTrader. Deleting for bad suggestion? Not, because let's say I suggested to delete various posts with advertising and ones which looked childish to me (Israel vs. Palestine, USA vs. EU). I didn't suggested deletion of posts with which I didn't agreed. However, only abou 50% of deletions I suggested were approved. Maybe Johan feels otherwise what is ad and what is not, what is childish and what is not. And this is his forum. But, however, do you think I should be deleted because of that?
RogueTrader From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR: Reply 17, posted (10 years 1 month 3 weeks 3 days 1 hour ago) and read 870 times:
Sonic,
But, however, do you think I should be deleted because of that?
Yes, I do. Why are you hitting that button so often?
This isn't a popularity contest. If you think something is childish, then don't comment on it. But, let the rest of us talk about "childish" matters without your interference. How does it hurt you if other people want to talk about "childish" matters?
I personally think plenty of stuff on here is childish, boring, offensive, and the way I deal with it is to ignore it by not reading it.
Also, I've noticed you post on some of the threads (Israel/Palestine) that you say are the type you want deleted. That's the height of arrogance: you want to have your say but not let anyone else talk about it.
Sonic From Lithuania, joined Jan 2000, 1669 posts, RR: 1 Reply 18, posted (10 years 1 month 3 weeks 3 days 1 hour ago) and read 860 times:
No censorship = the end to forums.
Really. It happened at one forums I used to post. Admin went out for a few days and a few people started to cause trouble. They posted virtually hundreds of posts like "remove admins!", "fight against these annoying admins!", "remove the rules!", etc. Forums lost about half of users at these times. Maybe you wanted to say "lower censorship"?
I am of course not going to suggest deletion your post, because I believe in free speech and I don't suggest deletion of every opinion I disagree. Instead, I try to argue with it.
The top of arrogance is when someone says that some other user needs to be deleted, like you just did. About what threads I suggest to be deleted, you also didn't understood. Yes, I post my opinion on threads about events in Israel. This is nothing bad. What I call childish is when some people posts something like "stupid usa" (without arguing why they things so) for fun, others insults back and that thread becames complete mess.
RogueTrader From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR: Reply 19, posted (10 years 1 month 3 weeks 3 days 1 hour ago) and read 851 times:
Sonic, let me clarify my opinion. I do not think you should be deleted. I value your opinion. I DO think that the rules should be such that if someone hits the 'deletion' button a lot, then they should be deleted. If someone does this, they obviously think they have a right to police everyone's opinion. Since this is not the rule right now, you should of course not be deleted.
PUnmuth@VIE From Austria, joined Aug 2000, 4161 posts, RR: 59 Reply 20, posted (10 years 1 month 3 weeks 2 days 18 hours ago) and read 815 times:
Only "how do you look", "most unusual place", "hottest something", and so on should be allowed.
Being seriuos now, it should stay (because of Realhigh's idea ) but all that pretty senseless topics which always end in bashing each other should be forbidden IMHO. I think you all know which topics i mean.
Peter
Jessman From United States of America, joined Jul 2001, 1506 posts, RR: 10 Reply 21, posted (10 years 1 month 3 weeks 2 days 17 hours ago) and read 801 times:
On this one I agree with rogue trader. I don't usually do that, but that's what is great about the forums. You can disagree with people so strongly. If you don't want to discuss Israel and Palestine, fine, don't. I do like to do so. I'm even glad that Rogue-Trader and Hepkat and ADG are there to debate the whole bit. I know I'm not going to radically change their minds. I know they're not going to radically change mine, but maybe after getting to know so many sides to such a complex situation we'll soften a bit. Debate will make you analyze your own position. It's great.
Anyway, Rogue, hope to see ya later in an israel/religion thread. Those of you who don't want to read it can opt to not read it.
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) but all that pretty senseless topics which always end in bashing each other should be forbidden IMHO. I think you all know which topics i mean.
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